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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:04 PM
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How “Free Market” Republican Party Ideologues Are Ruining our Country
One of the core differences between the Democratic and the Republican Parties is their conception of the proper role of government in our country. Both Parties tell us, of course, that they are against waste in government. But Democrats believe that there are also many very important roles for government in our society. Republicans on the other hand, at least since the early 1980s, with the presidential candidacy of Ronald Reagan, have infused their rhetoric with complaints of “big government”, and have gone to great lengths to privatize activities that have long been considered to be necessary functions of government.


The origin of the need for democratic government is located in the Constitution of the United States

The Democratic Party belief that there is an important role for government in our society is noted in the preamble to our Constitution, which established the United States of America as a country. Specifically, the preamble to our Constitution prominently notes “to promote the general welfare” as one of the main reasons for its existence. Closely related to this purpose is the need to establish justice, secure the blessings of liberty and defend against crime (“insure domestic tranquility”). The only other reason for the existence of our country mentioned in our Constitution’s preamble is to “provide for the common defense” – upon which Republicans and Democrats agree.

But Democrats and Republicans definitely do not agree on the need for our government to promote the general welfare. Democrats understand that need and fight for it. Today’s Republicans demean the idea of government promoting the general welfare by referring to efforts in that direction as “big government”, Socialism or Communism. They believe that promoting the general welfare is a private matter that government should keep out of – hence their effort in recent years to privatize everything, from Social Security to education to our prison system, and even our elections.


Republican “free market” ideology

The Republican belief in privatization is based largely or totally on their faith in “free market” ideology. That ideology says that everything or almost everything works better, is more efficient, and is fairer when it is driven by a free market than when it is “dictated” by government. The rationale for this ideology is that in their quest for profits corporations are simultaneously motivated to produce quality products, and everyone benefits as a result. In other words, the corporate quest for profits happens to be a good thing for everyone.

Under some circumstances they are correct. For example, the entertainment industry is a good example of an activity where free market principles work well. The more entertaining the product produced by the industry, the more people will want to purchase it and the more money they will be willing to pay. The industry produces a quality product, they make a big profit, the people get what they pay for, and everyone is happy.


Why free market principles don’t work well in certain circumstances

Democrats agree that there are many functions for which free market principles indeed work well and are therefore best left for the private sector to handle. But they also understand that the belief by free market ideologues that free markets always work best is an absurd simplification of a complex issue and is dangerously naïve for a democracy. They recognize, in other words, that there are areas where the free market principle does not serve society well, and therefore where various levels of government involvement are not only justified but required in order to serve the public interest. Among the many related reasons for the failure of free market principles to serve society well are six that I can think of:

1) Activities that are an intrinsic function of government
Some activities are an intrinsic function government, in that they would not exist except for the existence of government. The running of our elections and the maintenance of our prison system are two such activities.

It is so important that these kinds of activities be done well, that making a profit from them should be either of no consideration at all, or at the very most it should pale in comparison to the need to do the job right.

Furthermore, the desire to make a profit from these types of activities can and often does present a serious conflict of interest. The need for profits often drives a corporation to cut corners in producing their product, especially when cutting corners won’t reduce the price that they can obtain for the product. Worse yet, corporations may have a financial interest in the societal consequences that their product is meant to determine – for example, they may have a financial interest in election results or in the configuration of our criminal justice system.

2) Activities where pertinent third parties are totally unrepresented in the transaction
As we all know, industries often produce materials that get into our air, water or soil, which have the potential to damage our health. Common sense would tell you that, for the protection of the citizens of our country, there should be limits on those activities, and corporations should be financially responsible for their consequences.

But the free market provides neither for those limitations, nor for accountability on the part of the corporations that pollute our air and water. Free market interactions in this situation operate between the corporations and those to whom they sell their products. The great majority of people who buy those products do not live or work in the areas that are most affected by the polluting activities of the corporation. Therefore, the people who are most adversely affected by these activities have no representation in the free market transactions that allow them to take place.

The only means to correct for this injustice is government intervention. Indeed, such was one of the major purposes of the Environmental Protection Agency, created in 1970. But in recent years the Republican free market ideologues have worked hard to dismantle government protections in this area.

3) Monopolies
It has long been recognized that corporations have a tendency to form monopolies, which reduce competition and raise prices. That is why, beginning with the Sherman Anti-trust law of 1890, and continuing with President Theodore Roosevelt’s trust busting efforts, the U.S. government has had a long and justified history of intervening to prevent unfair monopolistic practices, especially with regard to services that are essential to us, such as gas and electric utilities.

4) Scarce resources which are essential to American citizens
One particular scarce resource that is essential to American democracy is the public airwaves. Essential information is transmitted through the public airways, and therefore their use is intimately tied up with our First Amendment rights to a free press, which is essential for the workings of democracy. This fact was recognized as early as 1934, with the enactment of the Federal Communications Act and the Fairness Doctrine in 1949, which required that radio and television stations must act in the public interest in return for being granted free licenses to use the public airways. Given the fact that democracy itself depends upon the free flow of information, it should be obvious that control of the airways must remain open to public representation and not allowed to be taken over by powerful corporations with no public obligations. Government should have an obligation to ensure that use of the public airwaves is conducted in the public interest.

5) Situations where free market principles cannot operate because of lack of essential information
It should be obvious that free market principles can operate effectively only when all parties to a transaction have enough knowledge to evaluate the relevant product. In today’s increasingly technological world that is not always possible. An understanding of this issue is what led to the creation of such government organizations as the Food and Drug administration and the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The point is that the American people have neither the scientific data at their disposal, nor the expertise to understand that data, that would be required to make effective decisions regarding the purchase of drugs, medical devices or many other consumer products that may pose a safety hazard. Thus, they need a government, elected and committed to their welfare, and with the necessary scientific expertise, to make decisions on the safety of those products and to prevent the sale of dangerous products. The free market cannot ensure that only safe products will be sold and bought.

Though this is not widely recognized, the same principle applies to medical care in general. Few people have the ability to effectively evaluate the medical care that they receive, and attempts to do so are terribly time consuming. Sure, we can decide what doctors we like and what doctors seem to be competent. But such evaluations are superficial at best. Especially when we develop medical conditions that require the services of doctors with whom we have no previous personal knowledge, government provided information and/or assistance could be of great value in helping us to make decisions that are more consistent with healthy lives and that could save us a great deal of money.

6) Services which are required for the public’s welfare
There are some services that are so important to the public’s welfare that it makes very good sense for government to provide those services, in an attempt to ensure that all Americans have reasonable access to those services. Examples include Social Security to ensure a reasonably decent retirement for American citizens, Medicare to ensure decent medical care for our elderly citizens, and government provision of public education to ensure that all Americans have a reasonable opportunity to make something of their lives. Giving control of these activities to the private sector will ensure that profits are put ahead of universal accessibility and affordability.


The consequences of free market ideologues running our country

Our current Bush administration is composed almost entirely of free market ideologues who have worked assiduously to make “big government” a pejorative term of the worst magnitude, as an excuse for privatizing numerous functions that have previously been considered to be important areas of government responsibility. Simultaneously, our Republican Congress has acted as a rubber stamp for much of the Bush administration’s agenda, to the great detriment of our country.

Part and parcel to this effort is corporate deregulation and massive tax reductions for the rich and powerful – and ONLY for the rich and powerful. The reasoning is that if government is not needed, then neither are taxes needed to support government. The one major exception to this rule is the hundreds of billions of dollars that we are spending on the Iraq War, with the consequent deaths of close to three thousand American soldiers, tens of thousands of Iraqis, and a national debt that will burden our country for generations to come – but with the one consolation that the Bush administration’s corporate friends have made out like bandits on this war.

Largely as a result of these efforts, the wealth gap in our country has expanded to levels unprecedented since the 19th Century, with CEOs now making 431 times that of the average working American, and the poverty rate in America increasing substantially during the Bush administration. Numerous specific activities of the Bush administration (and also of the Reagan administration) and its Republican free market ideologues in Congress have led to these disquieting results. I will discuss these activities and consequences under the same headings that I used in the previous section.

1) Activities that are an intrinsic function of government
Our elections are now being privatized, with government turning over more and more of its responsibilities for running elections over to private companies. In many states and counties computers count our votes, with little safeguard that their counts are accurate, and no opportunity to verify those counts. When voting rights groups, following surprising election results, have voiced their concerns about the need to inspect the machines to make sure that the vote counting was done properly, those companies have responded indignantly that inspection of their machines would be a violation of their “proprietary” rights. And the free market ideologues who have taken over our government have accepted that reasoning. How anyone can honestly believe that a private corporation has the right in a democracy to count our votes in secret is beyond my comprehension.

Our prison system is also becoming more and more privatized. The corporations that run our prison system sometimes use state or federal prisoners for slave labor, and they even lobby Congress for tougher criminal penalties, which of course would increase their business and profits. Thus, our criminal justice system is coming increasingly under the influence of corporations aiming to make a profit out of it. Does anyone believe that this kind of activity promotes justice?

And we even have our military functions being sold, not to the highest bidders, but with no-bid contracts meted out to corporate friends of our current administration. The result has been billions of dollars of fraud,lack oversight, and the provision of unsafe food and inadequate equipment to our soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

2) Activities where pertinent third parties are totally unrepresented in the transaction
The results of the belief by free market ideologues that government has no right to regulate the polluting activities of corporations can be seen in the Clear Skies Initiative, the Energy Act of 2005, and the failure of attempts to promote improved fuel efficiency of our cars. Probably the worst effect of all this, unless a Democratic Congress is able to turn things around very quickly, are yet to be seen. And worst of all is the likelihood that global warming (unless measures are taken very soon to impede its progress) will produce catastrophic damage to our planet, including the massive flooding of coastal cities throughout the world, that will make Hurricane Katrina and the attacks of September 11th look like child’s play by comparison.

3) Monopolies
The increasing wealth gap and poverty rate in America have been already mentioned. Specific examples include the lax regulation that led to the energy blackouts in California in 2001 and policies that allow price gouging by oil companies.

4) Scarce resources which are essential to American citizens
Ronald Reagan’s veto in 1987 of Democratic legislation meant to enforce the moribund Fairness Doctrine, and the Federal Communications Act of 1996 passed by a Republican Congress, effectively deregulated the telecommunications industry, and the current Bush administration has ignored whatever regulatory mechanisms remained. Consequently, the telecommunications industry is now controlled by a small number of wealthy and powerful corporations to an extent never before seen in our country. The results have been corporate control of almost all the news we receive on radio and TV, with the consequent creation of such monstrosities as Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and ABC’s recent “docudrama”, “The Path to 9-11”. All of this demonstrates that our First Amendment Rights to a free press are in serious danger.

5) Situations where free market principles cannot operate because of lack of essential information
Our FDA has come under tremendous corporate influence, with the result that such dangerous products as Vioxx are approved for marketing. Consumers of medical products are given little voice in today’s FDA.

The inability of Americans to evaluate the health care that they receive is largely responsible for inflation in the cost of health care to the point where numerous Americans are effectively priced out of the health care market and a single illness has the capacity to drive American families into bankruptcy. Yet, Bill Clinton’s health care plan that was intended as a partial remedy to this problem was vigorously attacked and destroyed by corporate interests whose profits would be threatened by such a plan, and by the free market ideologues in their pay.

6) Services which are required for the public’s welfare
Largely as a result of George Bush’s contempt for public health programs, infant mortality has risen during his administration for the first time in 40 years. Republicans in Congress have defeated even a veterans’ health care benefits plan which was sponsored and fought for by Democrats. And they have voted against every plan to increase the health benefits of the American people brought up by Democrats during the past several years. One of the most unfortunate results of all this is 46 million currently uninsured American citizens.

De-funding of public education in America has resulted in a situation where more and more children are unable to afford a chance at higher education, and a lack of public funds for primary school education has resulted in a deterioration of our public school system. If Republicans maintain control of Congress this fall, the attack on our Social Security system is likely to erase the prospect of a comfortable retirement for millions of Americans.

The failure of the Bush administration to fund the rebuilding of levees that would have prevented thousands of deaths from Hurricane Katrina, and its non-response to the emergency itself is emblematic of the contempt of today’s Republican Party for the idea that our government should exert itself to protect American citizens.


The bottom line

The free market has its place in contemporary society and so does a government that is responsible to the people who bring it into existence. The Republican effort to demonize “big government” beginning in the early 1980s has resulted in a situation where extremist “free market” ideologues in the Republican Party, maintained in power by a system that is increasingly controlled by big money interests, have systematically dismantled government programs that have long benefited the American people.

Whether or not our current Republican Congress really believes in their absurd and extremist free market ideology, or whether they simply pretend to do so because of the millions of dollars they receive from their corporate benefactors is beside the point. The bottom line is a continuing and an impending disaster for the American people.

And lastly, I will end with some evidence that suggests that those ideologues don’t really believe in the extreme ideology that they advocate and foist on the American people: Recently, Republicans in Congress voted down an amendment that would have required the federal government to negotiate prices with Medicare, and they also have made it illegal for Americans to obtain cheaper generic drugs from Canada. Is that free market ideology in action? Or would those actions be more accurately characterized as sucking up to the pharmaceutical industry for the millions of dollars showered upon their campaigns?

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:12 PM
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1. Promote the general welfare of Halliburton et al in a free market of
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 07:14 PM by indepat
no-bid, unlimited cost overrun contracts at a cost of several times what government could provide the service is the core essence, the heart and soul, of neoconitis: it is wholly what they are all about and it takes lies from moment to moment to pull it off.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:24 PM
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8. The new symbol of the Republican party: The YoYo
You're on Your own.

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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:42 AM
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12. Does this describe the Free market Republican ideologues?
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 01:44 AM by liberaldemocrat7
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:12 AM
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13. I welcome you to put the elephant graphic on your websites.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 03:15 AM by liberaldemocrat7
Let's make this a national symbol of the Republican party along with the Yoyo.

Let's tell the country that we believe in business but not the irresponsible businessmen that Repuublicans appear to enable. This abuse results in death, injury, people getting cheated out of a decent earning for their hard work. Let us portray Republicans out of the business mainstream and as the compassionless people they appear.

"In my view Republicans love their family and friends but that's where the compassion and love ends."
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:35 AM
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15. Well said -- Republicans ARE out of the mainstream, so it should be easy
to portray them as such. And though some of them may exhibit compassion in their personal lives, the policies they advocate definitely are compassionless. I have long wondered how they can claim Jesus as a role model:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/30

What elephant graphic are you referring to?

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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:53 AM
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25. The elephant on this mug. :)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:18 PM
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36. Ah, I see it now
When I looked at it before it just looked like a tornado.

Of course, if you give it to your Republican friends you may lose some friends -- but perhaps it would be worth it ;)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:33 PM
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43. Yes -- Their total devotion to "free market" ideology is both
hypocritical and irrational -- except for the fact that it gains them big bucks from their corporate benefactors.

They're able to pull it off only because the corporate news media supports them every step of the way.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:17 PM
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2. Corporations have corrupted true capitalism
via their bought DC reps.

My taxes have been reduced minimally and I want a say in how MY taxes are spent. I don't want My taxes spent to further corrupt capitalism through "tax cuts for the rich, etc"

I want them spent to help our own, rebuild our dilapidated and archaic infra structure.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:01 AM
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18. Yes, that's the problem in a nutshell
The wealthy have gotten all the breaks under George Bush and his rubber stamp Congress. And not only tax breaks but deregulation of their corporations, which allow them to act against the public interest.

They receive those breaks because they "contribute" millions of dollars to the campaigns of their Republican friends -- but that is only a small fraction of what they receive in return.

That's why we the people have no voice in our government at this time. And it will remain that way until the RepubliCons get thrown out of Congress.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:26 PM
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3. It's not just the Republicans
Neoliberalism is a cross-party problem, just like neoconservatism. These are non-partisan agendas that find succor in both the Democratic and Republican parties, and are an ever-present force in the background no matter who's in power.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:54 PM
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6. But there's a huge difference on this between the two parties
Sure the Democrats aren't perfect by a long shot. But look at this analysis done by the Drum Major Institute for Public Policy, looking at a range of issues, including the Energy Policy giveaway to the energy industry of 2005, the minimum wage, Social Security, the bankruptcy bill and the inheritance tax:

http://www.drummajorinstitute.com/congress/outerenvelope_overview.htm


The percentage of House Republicans receiving an F (meaning that they voted against the people and with the corporations more than 40% of the time) was 99%, compared with only 11% for House Democrats. In the Senate, 95% of Republicans received an F on these measures, compared with 2% of Democrats.

There is a huge difference between the two parties.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:46 PM
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28. Not huge, barely perceptible and the major differences are
cosmetic, at best.

Your factoid ignores the herd of elephants rampaging through the house. Right now the re:puke:s run the government, so Democrats are rarely, if ever, needed to pass their government giveaways. Even ignoring the previous factor, the report also shows that, even in this bizarre, lop-sided distribution of power, <40% of House Democrats and a mere 20% of Democratic Senators ranked as generally favoring the middle-class. No, The Corporate Party has a firm grip on our side of the isle as well as complete control of theirs.

Your missive specifically mentions, as an example, the looting of California's $10 billion surplus that was made possible by the bribery of Sacramento's politiwhores in the early 90's and guess what, it received the full-throated support of a majority of Democrats as well as the expected Re:puke:s, in both houses, BTW. (As a long-time resident of LA, I would also point out that my city was the only one to completely reject the legislated giveaway and as a result, we did not see exponential increases in our utility bills, nor did we have any brown/black-outs) This was also the primary reason for the voters electing to fire Beige Davis.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:59 PM
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39. Why do you say that only 20% Dem. Senators ranked as generally favoring
the middle class? I think you're reading the chart wrong.

Of the 8 votes that were evaluated, Democratic Senators voting for the middle class, against the corporate interests, were
100%, 100%, 100%, 95%, 75%, 59%, 58%, and 43%. How does that come out to 20%?

And why call this a factoid? This is a public interest group evaluating major votes by Congresspersons during a two year period.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:17 AM
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63. No offense meant. In answer to your query,
the chart you linked to says that only 20% of the Senate Dems received an 'A' and 44% of House Dems made the same grade.

I dubbed it a factoid because it is not nearly a complete analysis, and I can't find any sort of archive to find previous results, particularly from years when the Houses was controlled by Democrats. See, when I see political statistics like that, experience leads me to believe that there is always more to the story, like the previously vaunted 95% "liberal" rating that his fans kept touting here about Lieberman before he exposed himself as the corporate whore he is. The devil's in the details, if 90% of the 'good' votes are on issues that are meaningless or have no chance of passing, they don't count for much. It's also very informative to look at what bills the 'bad' votes were cast for, what were they? What are the likely consequences of their passage and who benefited from them?

It's similar to Bill Clinton's "liberal" credentials. Under his administration, the left got "don't ask, don't tell", the right got NAFTA, the left got the "attempt" of Hillary's health care fiasco, the right got Welfare "reform", and so on. The end result is just another republican administration that, fortunately for him, occurred during the unprecedented rise of the digital information boom (which, like a good re:puke:, he made sure to decimate while it was still growing, thereby securing obscene profits for campaign contributers while wiping out tens of thousands of families that were beginning to prosper).

So anyway, as I said before, I intended no offense and hope none was taken. If so, I apologize.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:53 PM
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4. Why don't you do a Part II
and give examples of industry insiders taking over the FDA, EPA, USDA, Labor, FTC, and other government agencies. Look at the Dept of Labor with Mitch McConnell's little witch conducting seminars to help corporations ship jobs out of the US, avoid overtime, and import foreign workers.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:59 AM
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17. Good idea -- Actually, when I started writing this post, the title of it
was "Why I'm a Democrat". But then I got so deeply into Republican "free market" ideology that I thought I better just make the post about that.

Actually, I have written some about specific government institutions. I am an employee of the FDA, and in this post I go into some detail taling about how the mission of the FDA has been corrupted under the Bush administration:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1461671

And then, in this post, called "The Demise of Public Health in 21st Century United States", I talk about how the public health aims of government in general have been corrupted and neglected under the Bush administration:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1918962

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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:28 PM
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5. Indeed, this is all about Ayn Rand trumping Pat Robertson and Ari Cohen.
They are shills, successful at infiltrating the core of the press and taking it over with their myriad interconnected "institutes" with their impressive "senior fellows" and "foundations". What they are, in fact is a useful toy of the multinationals, funded by the likes of Mellon Sciafa (he hates the Mellon name, but not their money) and Adolf Coors.

Everytime I see an event staged ...uh... hosted at AEI or Heritage it makes my blood boil. CNN and C-Span are giving them legitimacy that they neither deserve nor have earned.

God and Israel, gays and guns, Jesus wants me to not pay taxes and to vote Republican and for the public schools to turn out good little ChinaMart workers...

This is an oilogarchy. Everything is just smoke and mirrors to keep us distracted as we become a nation of lumpen proletariat, bread and circuses, impeachments and costitutional amendment crises; meanwhile the amount of crap we buy from urban serfs in China grows to astonding degrees as they quietly buy up our debt. Obsession with SUVs and McMansionettes when the likelihood of anyone having the money to pay these behemoths off is not high right now. Meanwhile the "rich" who produce nothing and tell us to work harder and cheaper or feel the wrath of Uncle Scrooge McDuck when he sends our jobs to Mumbai or Ho Chi Mihn City.

It was so funny about 20 years ago when we thought we had it all figured out: Marx was talking about a small segment of time in a small area, i.e., Britain and Belgium. The reforms of Biskmark et al had made all that so silly now that the Berlin wall was down and the people of all Brandenburg could meet on UnterdenLinden for a pastery and Kaffee... How quaint Marxism was. So old fashioned, it had died a natural death. We were all safe and happy in our European and American homes, near-full employment, trading with one another...liberal democracies...

Well, maybe we were smug prematurely. It is always the true middle class and not those deluded Americans who work for wages and call themselves middle class who lead the uprisings...once they get kicked in the teeth one times to many, the end of the protected class is bound to come, and it usually isn't pretty in the coming. Then they get to rise up and be the new protected class as a former completely downtrodden group takes their places.

What if we all took the train or bus to work and walked to lunch and only patronized small mom-n-pop stores for a month or so? What would happen if noone bought anything unnecessary from a corporation for a month? What would happen? We have the power to make the megacorps irrevelant by simply refusing to do business with them.
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:19 PM
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30. But they control the minds of many...
If we want to start a revolution, we have got to invest billions of dollars into eduation and alternative energy. We have got to get people to turn off their TVs and to instead read a book (and not just for entertainment!). We have got to pay teachers $75,000 a year and make that profession highly respectable in our culture. We need our best talent teaching the next generation. And we need it now before it is too late.

Wondering where we are going to get the money? I think the military is due for some major cuts... WTF do we need a military for other than to protect our borders and nation from invasion? Once you cut our corporate greed and the power of the military industrial complex, then money seems to be no problem...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:40 PM
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7. bookmarked so I can read it fresh in the a.m.
Catchy title.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:25 PM
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9. Under a fully privatized unregulated economic regime, 1 dollar = 1 vote,
rather than having one person-one vote rule. Milton Friedman himself, the guru of trick Republican privatization schemes, admitted that many times, saying approximately:

The ideal of a perfectly functioning democracy is one person, one vote; the ideal of a perfectly functioning market is one dollar, one vote. ...; and nobody would want to live with either pure democracy or a pure free market.

What Friedman never said is that, in an economy without effective government regulation, a "free market" doesn't stay that way very long--monopolists force out competitors and buy protection from politicians.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:37 PM
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10. there is no such thing as a "free" market
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 11:37 PM by leftofthedial
and never has been

excellent post
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:27 PM
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27. Thank you -- Yes, this is a very complicated subject
I tried to confine my discussion to functions where the fallacies of "free market" ideology are rather obvious. I recognize that the fallacies probably extend well beyond my discussion, and probably many of those areas are the subject of reasonable dissenting opinions. But I generally agree with your statement that there is no such thing as a "free" market.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:10 AM
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11. If I spread this around--
--how do you want to be credited?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:51 AM
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14. Hmmm, I hadn't thought about that
Probably any way you like.

That's great that you're thinking of spreading it around. Where are you thinking of sending it to?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:48 PM
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50. I was thinking of making a doublesided one-sheet handout
I have a travelling literature show that I take to meetings.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:36 PM
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53. Great
However you want to credit me is fine, or none at all if that would work out better.

If I could be of any help by including my real name and e-mail address, that would be fine too.

I just write these things in the hope that someone will be able to make use of them, so it's great to know when they can be used for good purposes. :)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:22 PM
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57. If you'd like people to look up your other work--
--PM me with name and contact info.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:37 AM
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16. Ruining the world
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 08:38 AM by malaise
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:52 PM
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44. That's something I'd like to understand a lot better
Sometimes it seems to me as if the World Bank and the IMF have become tools of international corporations to suck blood out of poor countries, rather than the aid agencies they were supposed to be. I truly don't understand it very well.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:09 AM
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19. Excellent Work!
K, R, & Bookmarked for reference!

There are too many "Free Trade is GOD" Democrats, but their numbers are falling as the ugly truth about "Free Trade" becomes unavoidable. Many Democrats woke up and voted AGAINST CAFTA, but not enough to stop it.

Americans who Work for a Living were sold (and are STILL being sold) a Pig in a Poke by the Global Corporations.
How can we put these evils back in the box?

To fight "Free Trade" in its current incarnation, support THESE Democrats:
http://www.pdamerica.org/
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:52 PM
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29. Quite simple actually, unilateral withdrawal of the US from these
treaties would instantly render them useless. We are the only reason that the global corporatists can implement their nefarious scheme, no USA support, no mechanism.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:44 PM
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33. Agree
That's why I support Dennis Kucinich, the ONLY Democratic candidate in 2004 that recommended that course of action.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:38 PM
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35. You and me both.
As a matter of practicality, I really want to see a Clark/Kucinich ticket in '08. Clark is going to be very difficult to swift-boat because he is not going to stand for any shit and, unlike certain others, will fight back. In consideration of the sheeple, Clark looks very "presidential" and we have to face the reality that they are stupid and shallow and will not vote for someone that looks like Dennis, no matter his qualifications and intellect.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:04 PM
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45. "How can we put these evils back in the box?"
This is my take on it:

1. Election reform to prevent fraud.

2. Laws that require the media to operate in the public interest, as prior to Reagan's presidency

3. Tough campaign finance reform.

All that is a tall order, and it's going to be very tough to break the vicious cycle, as the crooks are now in control. I guess that Americans need to get organized enough and mad enough before we're going to see a change.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:13 AM
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20. The "general welfare" mention in the preamble...
...something I've always struggled over and pondered. I've actually come to believe that the most important word in that little snippet is "promote."
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:20 PM
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46. If you listen to the Republicans
you'd think that there is no provision in the Constitution for government to promote the general welfare and that attempts to do so are synonymous with Communism.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:31 AM
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21. Good Post, Time for a change.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 11:43 AM by bbgrunt
This covers a lot of the traditional economic analysis known as "failures of the market" which is usually covered in "Public Finance" economic courses in college. Unfortunately, too few people are exposed to this thinking.

I would add that one of the hypocricies of the republican party is its push for tort reform and the effort to block citizen's right to sue. The free-market strain of philosophers would suggest that suing for injuries is a basic remedy for any injustices caused by the system.

k and r
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:58 PM
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37. "Tort reform"
Yes, you are exactly right - that is outrageous. They are such hypocrites!! :mad:

They remove government efforts to prevent corporations from hurting people, and then they try to take away our last remaining remedy under the banner of "tort reform".

Ralph Nader had a good name for it: "tort deform".
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:38 AM
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22. I might add that R. Kuttner of the American Prospect
did an excellent overview of this topic a while back entitled "The Limits of Markets" and it can be found at:

http://www.prospect.org/print/V8/31/kuttner-r.html

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:39 AM
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23. i can't recommend it twice,
but i can kick it.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:43 AM
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24. The Republican "free market": Take the risk out of risk and reward
That is to say, they give massive amounts of corporate welfare and government handouts to large corporations, and then when these corporations gouge us for their products, these "free market" republicans say its ok, because the corporation took the risk to develop the product.

Best example is pharma.

Much of their research is funded by taxpayers, but they still get to charge whatever they want because supposedly they took the risk of developing the drug...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:39 PM
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47. Right -- and if they believe so much in the "free market"
Why did they lobby so hard for a law that lets them name their price and disallows government negotiation with them?

And why aren't Americans legally allowed to purchase generic drugs from Canada?

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:03 PM
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26. Interesting List
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 12:17 PM by Nederland
It generally matches academic economists views on the circumstances in which markets are a bad idea. However, Capitalists would define a public good as something possessing the qualities of non-rivalry and non-excludability. Non-rivalry meaning that one person's benefit does not reduce the benefit available to others, and non-excludability meaning that there is no effective way of excluding individuals from the benefit of the good once it comes into existence (the classic example being national defense). There are other qualities like the ones that you mentioned (monopolies, externalities, imperfect information, transaction costs, etc.) but those two are the main ones.

Your list suffers from a few obvious deficiencies. For example, item #6, "Services which are required for the public’s welfare", would seemingly include the building of houses--a service competently provided for by the free market for centuries. You might consider reading up on classical capitalist theory to better understand jut how economists from Adam Smith to Milton Friedman have suggested dealing with inevitable instances of market failure.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:22 PM
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34. Thank you for the information
What I was trying to do here, rather than define the ideal circumstances in which capitalism can flourish, is discuss circumstances where a pure capitalism model is deeply flawed -- and yet our government is filled with free market ideologues (all Republicans AFAIK) who believe that there should be almost no exceptions to a pure captitalism model for the way that our country runs.

With regard to housing, I'm not sure why my list doesn't fit. While it is true that a lot of people are homeless in our country I see no reason why it has to be like that. I am not advising that the government should take over the housing industry, but as with Medicare for example, I do believe that the government should be involved at least to the extent that everyone is assured of a reasonably decent place to live. In other, a mixed model, where there is some involvement of government, so as to make sure that millions of people are not priced completely out of the housing market -- as is currently the case.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:30 PM
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31. Bookmarking
This is a great posting.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:34 PM
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32. A free market is impossible
To have that, you would have to have society where corporations were completely unregulated and free to do whatever they want. Enron proved that regulation is necessary to protect the workers and the public.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:27 PM
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38. Anarchy is what the Republicans
In a state of anarchy those who have the most resources and those who are the most ruthless will come out on top. The Republicans "leaders" have the money and they've practiced ruthlessness to an art form. Now they just want government to get out of the way so that they can grab anything they can get their grubby little hands on.

They won't use the word, but anarchy is their goal.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:06 PM
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40. kick
:kick:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:09 PM
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41. further towards the base of the pyramid
The ideology is university of chicago 'free market' bollocks sold by milton friedman.

It is sold in every business school in the world as fact... *that* is the problem.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:55 PM
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48. But don't forget the role of the corporate media and its allied
"think tanks" such as Heritage Foundation and AEI. There is a whole big web of corporatocracy trying to tell us what to think and what to believe.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:15 PM
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42. Would nash equilibrium points points be to technical? n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:42 PM
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49. Free Market is code for
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 07:46 PM by femrap
turning this country into a 3rd World nation. And with these tax cuts for the wealthy, the amassing of power by corporations, and the luring of people into debt....that is pretty much what we are going to have before long.

ETA: Free market in entertainment doens't work either....I quit watching TV cuz it sucks....and most movies are horrid. I go to my local artsy fartsy every now and then for something that is enlightening, educational, or just a good story.....These kind of movies don't get funding....only movies like "Beerfest."
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:38 PM
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54. Yes, I think you're right, they're trying to turn us into a 3rd world
nation.

Keep on going like this and we'll get there before too long.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:04 AM
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60. Maybe we should move to Estonia?
No one seems to be bothering this country... but I still don't know what language I have to learn???

Seriously, we must stop these corporations.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:24 AM
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62. Yeah, but before that we better make sure that if the Neocons are still in
power, there's no oil there.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:50 PM
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51. Just Imagine..
... if it were Libertarians, when it comes to economics it would be even worse.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:40 PM
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55. No, I don't think anything could be worse than the Republicans
At least the Libertarians don't try to tell us that we can't get cheaper drugs from Canada.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:03 PM
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52. You have excellent points there and a great post btw, however,
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 08:06 PM by Cleita
one of the problems with the capitalists who have taken over our government is that they don't really practice "free market". They practice "rigged market".

If there was a true free market, there wouldn't be monopolies that stifle any competition that might challenge them. In a true free market the little guy would have an even playing field with the behemouth.

Instead the Behemouth gets better breaks on everything and what he doesn't get breaks on, he buys a Senator or two to make regulation in his favor. He buys out the competition in hostile takeovers. This is not free market competition on a level playing field. I know they preach this in MBA school but it's just like religion a faith with little reality.

Of course I'm talking about things that should be on the free market, like the entertainment industry you posited. Not everything should be on the free market, particularly the things we need to survive on. A little mix of both works better.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:42 PM
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56. I agree with you about the "rigged" market
I don't think that most of these people even really believe in free markets anyhow. Many of them are just simply crooks trying to get rich.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:59 PM
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58. Your example of the entertainment industry is pretty good because
most of the industry is liberal not conservative. So not only do liberals do smaller government and better budgeting than the conservatives, but we also seem to do free market better as well.
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Keepontruking Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:06 PM
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59. Free market Ideologies
You are extremely well informed...I am impressed..........All
of what you say is accurate from what I understand and have
researched and read. I hope you continue with DU we need all
this information , now in the Democratic party can pull itself
together and find some strong leaders I will feel
fulfilled!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks from Circus girl
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:23 AM
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61. Thank you Circus girl
And welcome to DU :toast:

There is lots of great information on DU I have found -- much more than one can get from following the so-called "main stream" media.
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