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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:09 PM
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Racist kicks pregnant woman in the belly!
From The Bangor Daily News:

An arrest warrant has been issued in Hancock County for a suspect identified in a weekend assault that appears to be motivated by alcohol and prejudice.

A witness identified Robert A. Dow, 59, of Franklin as the man who shouted racial slurs and then kicked a 21-year-old black woman Saturday night in Hancock.

(...)

The woman told police that when she pulled into the parking area she noticed a red pick-up truck with several men standing around drinking beer.

For no obvious reason, one of the men began shouting "white power" and racial epithets toward the woman, according to her statement.

The man, who police now believe was Dow, then threw a half-full can of beer toward an open window of the woman's car. It struck her on the right triceps.

Dow then approached her vehicle, opened the door, and kicked the woman in the stomach, according to police.


The article goes on to say that the victim is seven months pregnant. The attack brought on premature contractions, and she had to go to the hospital.

The full article in the paper edition of the BDN reports that the other men did not join in the attack, but watched it and "laughed the entire time".


Update:

Dow surrenders to authorities.


Words fail...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:11 PM
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That is beyond disgusting. That poor lady... nt
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:11 PM
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1. Damn!
x(

I hope that guy gets dragged to prison and stays there for a long, long time.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:12 PM
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2. I was glad to read that both mom and baby are ok!
Hope the bastard who attacked her rots in jail for a couple decades.

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:56 PM
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24. Thank goodness...
That poor woman.

What is wrong with people? :cry::mad::cry::mad:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:12 PM
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3. Expect more of this to keep happening
and escalating as people lose more and more hope, drink more, and have their anxiety misdirected by racist Repuglicans.

I'm sure this asshole will claim he was just trying to reduce his taxes by keeping another welfare queen from producing another brat to up her welfare.

Unopposed hate kills. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:46 PM
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21. Great post, Warpy!
You are absolutely right. It's disgusting that people like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, etc. are allowed to smear people of color daily and blame them for all that they deem to be wrong with society.

RW radio and faux tv programming=programmed hate.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:23 PM
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73. "Unopposed hate kills. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine! "
Looks like a good bumper sticker to me! :thumbsup:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:59 PM
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88. Rush and Bushco's
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:04 PM by malaise
kids.
sp.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:13 PM
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:13 PM
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5. I hope his cellmates know why he's in jail
if you know what I mean. As violent as some of them are they don't tolerate abuse of women or children. I hope he gets his ten-fold.

what a pig.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:31 AM
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127. Odd but true...
as far as my experiences go. Those who mistreat women and children get hell in the jails.....
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:14 PM
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6. misdemeanor assault?
How is that not a felony? They say her fetus wasn't harmed but we don't know that yet. So sick. Big fucking asshole.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:15 PM
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10. According to the federal fetus law, I'd say attempted murder. n/t
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:32 PM
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41. yep, apply this law to him
sword swings both ways, no?

if we had truly MORAL leadership in this country,instead of the thuggery that exists, these types of incidents might be fewer. But the thugs know that the administration glories in its thuggery, that * was the same kind of smarta** jerks that they are only w/ more money.

they're all brothers under the skin whether it is blowing up frogs, killing cats or attacking pregnant women and their unborn babies...we all know that attacking animals often leads to attacking people.

she should sue the pants off him.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:45 AM
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119. A true hate crime
I'd say it was attempted murder or at least attempted homicide!
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:14 PM
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7. Times like that
I wish I was pulling up in my car with a nice baseball bat, better yet a good sidearm.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:14 PM
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8. Filthy bastard...
he's probably an "anti-abortion fundamentalist christian" too, the racist piece of scum.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:15 PM
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9. More of Rush Limbaugh's listening audience, eh?
Bastards!
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:16 PM
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11. How much you wanna bet these assholes are anti-choice?
Violence against women and anti-choice attitudes seems to go hand-in-hand.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:38 PM
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19. You're probably right.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 03:07 PM by bliss_eternal
White supremacists seem to advocate abortions for people of color..., even if it means they help the process along by kicking pregnant women in the stomach. :eyes:

It's the perfect white babies that they don't want to see aborted. :eyes: :puke:

Edited to add they are probably also pro-war and eligible to enlist. Wonder why they haven't? Yet here you find them, drinking beer around a truck harassing women in parking lots. But "we" hate America... :eyes:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:31 PM
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40. Isn't the term, "perfect white babies," an oxymoron?
I guess these idiots don't know there is no such thing. Not anymore, anyway.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:26 PM
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74. Well now, b-e....
Most of them probably have too many DUIs and misdemeanors to be accepted by the army. Plus, you have to at least get your name right on the entrance test.

As for the anti-choice thing, we can only hope that none of those mouthbreathers has found a willing sperm recipient. :scared:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:43 PM
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139. catburglar...
:rofl::spray::rofl:

Quote:
Most of them probably have too many DUIs and misdemeanors to be accepted by the army. Plus, you have to at least get your name right on the entrance test.

No fair, you caught me off guard. :spray: LOL! Thanks for bringing a bit of lightness to the discussion of such a horrible incident. I thought of this all last night... why someone would do such a thing... ugh.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:17 PM
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12. Castrate him with a butter knife
and euthanize all his offspring.....

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:04 PM
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28. Too good for him.
Tie the bastard down and gag him. Castrate with a rusty needle and thread.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:18 PM
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13. One incredible response
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 02:18 PM by longship
I let the following speak for itself.

Comment from Jill Henrie, Denver, CO:
What we all know is that if the victim of this crime had been white and the perpetrator black, the Daily News would not have covered it. Has the Daily ever covered a racially motivated hate crime when committed against a white Gentile? Doubtful. Yet, I'd bet if you went through their archives you'd find 100s of stories on racially motivated hate crimes committed by white Gentiles. Interesting -- tongue in cheek --that America's 30% nonwhite population has never committed a racially motivated hate crime against white Gentiles, especially since, according to the FBI, blacks themselves are 2 1/4 times more likely to commit a hate crime than whites. We all know that the national media -- CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX -- has never in its history covered a racially motivated hate crime committed against a white Gentile. (Can you name one?) And only extremely, extremely rarely do you find one in any local paper in America.

:puke:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:21 PM
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16. Amurikkka is one sick, sick puppy...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #13
25. I never knew Denver, CO was on Mars
Cause there's no way she lives on the same planet I do.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:00 PM
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26. What a fucking asshole!
Does she have a point with the "racially motivated hate crime against whites" shit?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:12 PM
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32. She managed to use the phrase "white Gentile" four times in one paragraph
Am I to infer that she doesn't view Jews as "really white"? Why, yes, I believe I am. :grr:
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:24 PM
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35. I noticed that too. I suspect she has white sheet undergarments
if you get my drift.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:30 PM
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39. ...and a glorious collection of swastikkkas.
:eyes:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:27 PM
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38. Apparently
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 03:28 PM by bliss_eternal
no one is probably as white or pure, as her Aryan white ass. :eyes:
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:57 PM
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47. Nah, we just EXECUTE any black perp
quietly and with solemnity.


PS, can you say "Reginald Denny" - you stupid #*#%%#



Speaking as a white gentile, I must say that I am shocked, I tell you, shocked at the sheer amount of hate crime directed at me and my family by all those dark people....and don't get me started about those damn Jews, and the damn Chi-neeze.....


Please Oh Gawd, let me have my Good Old America back..............

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:34 PM
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49. she seems to think that Maine is awash in anti-"white-Gentile" hate crimes
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 04:39 PM by NorthernSpy
:eyes:

Yet, I'd bet if you went through their archives you'd find 100s of stories on racially motivated hate crimes committed by white Gentiles.


Not that I know of, especially if she means local stories.

Also, there's a limit to how many 'anti-"white-Gentile" racially-motivated hate crimes' you're likely to have in a population that is almost entirely "white Gentile".


:eyes:


We all know that the national media -- CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX -- has never in its history covered a racially motivated hate crime committed against a white Gentile. (Can you name one?)


Reginald Denny.

What do I win?


:eyes:


(edit: format)
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:29 PM
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50. Response to Jill-The-Pill
Can Jill name a hate crime committed against a white gentile? Can she prove it wasn't covered? I'd be any such crimes that were motivated by racism would be covered. Hear, it wasn't just because one was white and one was black. It's because racial slurs were used, obviously making it a hate crime.

"Yet, I'd bet if you went through their archives you'd find 100s of stories on racially motivated hate crimes committed by white Gentiles."

I guess that tells you something disturbing about white Gentiles, then, doesn't it, Jilly-willy.

"Interesting -- tongue in cheek --that America's 30% nonwhite population has never committed a racially motivated hate crime against white Gentiles..."

It's interesting they commit relatively few. But again, she has no basis for saying they haven't been committed nor covered because they have. And frankly, when they do it, it's not a societal issue most of the time, but rather an individual issue. It's covered when whites do it because it's part of the historical oppression that still exists.

"according to the FBI, blacks themselves are 2 1/4 times more likely to commit a hate crime than whites."

That's 2.25 times more per individual, but on a societal scale, whites are still more likely based on their proportion of society.

"We all know that the national media -- CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX -- has never in its history covered a racially motivated hate crime committed against a white Gentile. (Can you name one?)"

What's the name of the tendency to believe that because you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist?

"And only extremely, extremely rarely do you find one in any local paper in America."

Once again, because it's part of a larger societal problem. Hate crimes also usually don't make national news unless they are particularly heinous or symbolic. In this case, the woman was pregnant (unusually heinous) and was symbolic of remaining historical racism.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:08 PM
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57. two words... Natalie Holloway
yep.. the crimes against white girls never get any attention :eyes:


hate crime or not.. they get their coverage.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:16 PM
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69. There's a difference
The white girls get covered for months/years, not days. Jill and others like her have a very selective memory. In typical white-privilege fashion, they don't like looking themselves in the mirror when seeing bigots being taken down on TV.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. welcome to DU
:hi:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #69
136. Great post.
I'd like to extend a hearty Welcome to DU. I didn't see that post because it was deleted before I got here. You have excellent debating skills. I'm glad you are on our side. :hi:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
79. 'Gentile' my ASS!
he's a FREEPIN MOUTHBREATHER!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:03 AM
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111. There are some scary folk in Amurka...
The power of denial.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:19 PM
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14. Let me guess
a churchgoer?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:20 PM
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15. OK, this was in Maine.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 02:21 PM by fudge stripe cookays
And it was horrible.

I'd like the rest of the finger pointers to remember this the next time you want to point out how awful we Southerners are. K?

Unfortunately, racism is everywhere.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:25 PM
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18. Yeah, way up there in Maine.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 03:15 PM by cat_girl25
I didn't think there were racist people up there.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:41 PM
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20. Seriously, many people here have never met a black person
And, sadly, there are racists everywhere.

I can't imagine these guys were hanging around a pickup truck drinking beer in a parking lot.

Atleast he turned himself in.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
63. The coast is fine and pretty liberal, but once you go further inland
it's like evolution just passed them by. Pretty scary.

They should sign the bastards up for Iraq - it's obvious that they would just love to get their hands on some "ragheads" :sarcasm:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:04 AM
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102. Huh? This DID happen on the coast, not far from Bar Harbor!
The coast is fine and pretty liberal, but once you go further inland it's like evolution just passed them by. Pretty scary.

You couldn't be more wrong.

By the way, there ARE blacks here. Most seem to be married to whites, or otherwise live in mixed households. Because I grew up in small-town Maine, the allegedly "liberal" metropolitan areas of the country that I've visited always seem awfully segregated by comparison.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
29. Give me a break
This doesn't change the fact a large number of Southerners are racists
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
55. It doesn't change anything.
But it doesn't make you superior sons of bitches any better than we are either.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:13 PM
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68. I didn't say anyone was any better
The fact remains the south has the reputation it does because of excessive racism in the past, it's not like it's labeled with out merit.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:19 PM
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71. This nastiness
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 07:19 PM by fudge stripe cookays
is directed at southern DUers constantly. It is personal, it's offensive, and it's unnecessary.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:46 AM
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129. Racism is everywhere, but you gotta admit
the south has always been the slowest to change when it comes to the racism. As a matter of fact, I wonder if there would have been any charges filed in the area of the south where I live had the same thing happened here.

I'm one southerner who is not offended when people point out that the south as its own brand name when it comes to the type of racism we have here. Give it a break. Racism is everywhere. Why do I, as a southerner, point out that yes, we have racism problems in the south too? Because I live here and I want the people who still harbor the racism to either evolve or move the hell to Iraq. Why? Because I live here and I want this place cleaned up and made better for a better tomorrow. Chill.

Besides, I think the racism problem is worldwide and has more to do with segregation in private lives whether that be a rural area in the north south east or west. And the problem does still tend to be worse in rural areas and with people who do not bother to get to know people of other races.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:54 AM
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109. Any region in the entire country has a lot of racism in its past.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 07:55 AM by raccoon
Research how the Chinese were treated in the Western states in the 19th century.

Irish, Jews, blacks, and Hispanics were targets of racism in many states outside the South.

Guess everybody's got to feel superior to somebody else. That's humankind's reptilian brain at work there.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #109
130. Racism also exists outside the "four corners
of the Earth" known as America too. People are prejudiced everywhere in the world.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:53 AM
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131. No question about it. nt
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #29
90. A large number of people everywhere are racist.
Give me a break.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:19 PM
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34. Did a recent Governor of Maine have a NOOSE hanging from a plant
in his office, as a symbol of the "Good Ole Days" of lynching? Did a recent Governor of Maine name his kids after historical leaders of the KKK? A recent Governor of Virginia did, and he's now leading his Democratic opponent in this year's race for Senate.

I agree with you there are racists everywhere, but consider the proportions. In Virginia, Allen DTILL is pursuing the Sons of Confederate Voters and Citizens Council vote, according to The Nation magazine this week.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:26 PM
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37. Webb is leading Allen, and Felix is from California, not Virginia
Lots of racists in VA... just as many in NJ, where I grew up. Parts of VA are very, very blue, parts aren't. Just like alot of blue states.
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solarize Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:42 PM
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46. Richmond, VA
is the most racist place I've ever lived. Richmond is disgustingly racist. I see obvious racism daily. I've never in my life heard the n-word used so much by white folks. The anti-muslim/mideast racism is even worse.

It is also very hard to find a liberal in Richmond. It is kind of funny, people just assume you're a Republican here. They're always taken aback when I start disagreeing with them.

Unfortunately, Richmond has really tarnished my outlook toward the south. If the rest of the south is like this, I want nothing to do with it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:33 PM
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51. The most liberal place I ever lived was in NJ
From birth to 17. Most of my relatives and their friends love using the n-word, and nasty names for hispanics, gays, etc. You coul;dn't pay me to live in that disgusting place again.

I know many, many liberals in the Richmond area... quite a few post on this board. The ones I know personally tell me they've never heard the n-word used either publicly or by people they know in the area. I'm not saying you're lying, just wondering exactly where you live and who you spend time with.

One of the most liberal towns in the US is right up 64 from you. Two more are a quick trip down 95 and 40. Everyone I work with and meet naturally assume you're a Liberal.. and I'm just a bit more than a stone's throw away from you.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #51
72. Sounds like Reagan Democrats
They were union card, working class, economic liberals but socially conservative. The Welfare Queen message caused millions of them to vote against their own interests. I grew up in "liberal" Maryland and experienced the same thing. There's an ugly underbelly of racism in blue states.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #72
107. Crazy, isn't it?
And yup, most of them have good union jobs.
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solarize Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
77. Charlottesville is awesome...
I lived on the west end for a while and now I live on the south side (which is a marked improvement). Most of my experiences have occurred during work (at customer sites) or from a co-worker/work acquaintance. I work as a computer technician and I guess this industry is just packed full of freeper types (at least in this area). A lot of IT folks are ex-military (they get really good training), so maybe that has something to do with the conservative bent (I'm not equating conservative with racist, by the way).

I exaggerated though (I guess I was venting, sorry), I don't see it daily. But, I do see it frequently and it is really depressing and distressing....
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. Allen is from the southern (California) city of Palos Verdes.
Sorry, but he's no southerner.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #45
52. Bingo
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
58. but he does come from an affluent white area
where driving while Black is quite common.

That area is very racist and elitist. His attitude doesn't surprise me.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. Oh, I know.
Just pointing out that it's not always a southern thing.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:39 PM
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64. I knew you knew :-)
I was just sayin' :-)

When I was in high school I was 'down hill' from them. They would not come and play my school's teams down on our home field. I've worked with people since then that went to PV/Peninsula HS that admit this. Way too many Mexicans and Blacks at my school I guess :shrug:

What a joke. We weren't lily white but we were hardly hard core either.


Stuff like that is what makes me crazy about that place.


:hi:
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
66. LostinVA
beat me to the response.

I'm not arguing that the south has a history of slavery and racism. But to have so-called progressives on this board constantly ridiculing those of us who live in the south really chafes.

Like the folks who come into the Texas board just to come in, shit on the floor, and leave. It's unnecessary. And it adds to the stupid circular firing squad we always end up dealing with. Get it?

My parents brought me to Texas when I was 4. I've just never left. Not for lack of trying; but this is my home.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #66
114. Since you're being reasonable and offering discussion
as opposed to vitriol, I'd like to respond. I am from NE and have never, ever uttered a slur against southerners as being inherently racist. I also admit racism is rampant up here, as it is in all parts of this country. However, I see posts pointing out how all we northerners bash the south all the time. That chafes as well, you know?

I would like you to consider one point: John Kerry is a "Massachusetts liberal" was a rallying cry against the Dems in the last election. "We need someone from the south because southern voters will never vote for a New Englander" is a constant cry in the primaries.

My personal take is that I vote for the politician that best represents my ideals regardless of where they are from. I'm not bashing the south but I'd really like people to stop bashing the north as well as the south. We don't need another false divide in this country.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #114
124. Point taken.
Believe me, I get just as sick of hearing that "we" won't vote for a Massachusetts Liberal as you do.

Why not? If they're the best person for the job, it's a non-issue with me.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #124
125. Cool.
Building bridges one person at a time. :hug:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
44. No kidding.
According to a lot of people around here, stuff like this only happens in Texas.

I guess racists do exist north of the Mason-Dixon line.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. Racists,
and assholes too, judging by some of the responses.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #15
60. oh give up now
slavery
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. Um...
that ended about 140 something years ago. Last time I checked, most of us on this board weren't that old.

And I'm referring to the way things are NOW, not 100 years ago. The truth is, you need the south to defeat these assholes, and I'm sick of the finger pointing.

Racism is endemic.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #65
76. oh give up now
Gretna.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. I'm not giving up anything.
I'm not defending the fucking assholes, and you're completely missing my point.

I have said repeatedly to stop pigeonholing DUers and decent people who live in the south. It is a disgusting generalization. You are no better than the people we are fighting if you can't understand that.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:34 PM
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81. Oh, sure.
That south is just a wonderful place.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. How many times have you visited to make that judgement?
Or actually lived here?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Many times.
It keeps getting more wonderful every time I visit.

I mean it's like I've died and gone to heaven.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #81
137. Hooligan, I like you man, but...
...I don't think this "geographism" (for lack of a better word) does anyone any good. At least, not anyone on OUR side.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #80
106. you have completely turned this into a flame fest.
BTW, I have lived in the south, and the racism is blatant down there. I lived 2 years in South Florida, and the racism swings both ways. I would hear all sorts of shit on a daily basis. It is not like that up here, and cases like this are relatively rare, in comparison to the south.

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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #106
121. I'll refer you to this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2127790&mesg_id=2128027

How is it possible to have much racism in an area when there is mostly one race living there? Places like Maine and Vermont are probably the whitest states in the union. Of course you're going to pat yourselves on the back for this happening rarely.

Southerners take a lot of crap on this board, and I'm tired of it. It's either point and laugh at the Bush voters (which we DUers obviously are not), or point and laugh because of Larry the Cable Guy and his ilk. Not all southerners are like that.

Yes, there's a lot of crap that goes on, you saw it. But I have been up north (family in Chicago who are just as racist as anyone I've encountered down here-- they call the Dan Ryan Expressway the "Nigger 5000"!), I've been out west (Orange County and San Diego, anyone?), and I've been to Idaho. Things are no different.

I was pointing out something that people won't remember in a couple months, and I was attacked for it. Excuse me for getting a little angry.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. WTF does something that happened in the state of Maine....
have to do with Gretna? Assholes live everywhere in this country, as do good people who care about one another. In every state, north, south, east and west.

I am not a Southerner, but my :loveya: is, and I get sick and tired of all the broad brush criticisms of people from the South.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #76
84. Amador Diallo. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Is that how southerners pronounce Amadou?
I'm further away from NY than the South is, and I don't need to look up his name.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. It's how I've heard it pronounced on NPR.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 08:58 PM by fudge stripe cookays
I didn't feel like getting into a flamefest tonight, but I should have known better, since that seems to be the name of the game with you.

Here's one I don't have to look up, asshole.

Rodney fucking King.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. To imitate Yakov Smirnov...
In Soviet Russia, you commit racist crime, you go to prison!

In South, you commit racist crime, they make you Senator!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Abner Luema.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:04 PM by fudge stripe cookays
Spelled OK for you, Sparky?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. Abner Louima.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:09 PM by Bornaginhooligan
They have the printed press down there?

But no, seriously. Am I supposed to assume you're actually concerned about either Louima or Diallo?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. A random google search provided many hits with that spelling.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:11 PM by fudge stripe cookays
Go insult those folks too.

Vincent Chin. Detroit.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. Yes, and we can spell too.
:D


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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #92
128. I am concerned about them.
I'm concerned about anyone who is hurt or killed because of small minds and hate. No matter where it occurs.

Anyone who knows me or has seen my posts on DU knows that I have worked a lifetime to overcome the indoctrination that I got as a young person (from parents who were both originally from ILLINOIS, not the south).

I have also attempted to change minds within my own family. My mother now sees black people and gays as fellow human beings, which is saying a lot for her. I got her to volunteer for the Dean campaign in the last election.



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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #65
115. Seriously... I Have A Lot of Respect for the South
Those who keep poking fun at the South, should be smarter than that. Afterall, we are ONE country. When I said "slavery" I was pointing out how easy it would be for those to come back at you. It really isn't a North/South thing, but a problem the whole country needs to deal with.

What happened up in Maine is sickening, but let's keep the North/South thing out of it. It's rather old and divisive and needs to stop. It also trivializes the situation needlessly.

My olive branch to All my brothers and sisters of the South.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #115
118. Thanks step. n/t
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #118
120. You Got It
Together we will win. We have to....
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #60
110. Howard Beach. nt
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
96. Indeed. Remember Mulugeta Seraw, the Ethiopian student beaten
to death by racists in Portland, Oregon, and that those racists who inspired Seraw's brutal death near his Mt. Tabor home were brought to justice largely through the efforts of Montgomery, Alabama's Southern Poverty Law Center.

Associating racism, in both its brutal and subtle forms, with the American South is a bigotry born, like all bigotries are, of ignorance.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:26 AM
Response to Reply #96
104. Indeed I do.
I think Portland lost a little of its naivete then. Everyone thinks "It can't happen here", but then some scumsucker proves us all wrong.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #96
132. Well said... it's yet another form of bigotry.
The apologists will go on to explain why regardless of it being bigotry, it 'just makes sense', just as with every other form of bigotry.

*sigh*
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:51 AM
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108. I second that. nt
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
140. You're absolutely right
And there's a lot of good southerners too. I've met a bunch personally.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:23 PM
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17. if I were there
I would have kicked his ass. They would have needed 2 ambulances.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Wish you had been there...
That poor woman. She must have been terrified, for herself and her baby.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. I am sure she was
it is a shame that there is people with so much hate towards other human beings in this world.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #33
112. And such cowardly assholes they are. nt

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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #17
61. Man, my thoughts exactly
He would of been writing checks that his worthless ass couldn't cash.

God I hope that mother and her baby are ok.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:49 PM
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22. Ahhh the 33%
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:02 PM
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27. What his Freeper name?
Filthy, racist scum
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:10 PM
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30. Good God.
:cry:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:11 PM
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31. I have said it a million times
Bush and his henchmen have brought racism back into vogue.
These people make me sick.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Yes, they have.
I noticed the stats on hate crimes slowly crept up again under this admin. Reports of burning crosses on interracial couples lawns (such a classic :eyes:), dragging black men to their deaths, hate crimes against illegal immigrants that can't report the violence--from fear of deportation. I've read too many reports regarding crimes against the glbt community as well.

Th day that asshole stated publicly that he wanted to make gay marriage illegal, he made it open season on gays and anyone that isn't like them. :mad::cry::puke: He basically said, it's ok to hate them for not being like you--and people like this are all too happy to oblige.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:29 AM
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126. Agree with you 100%
It doesn't seem that long ago that this kind of ugly crime would have been blasted big time by the media for the racism it is. Now, there is not a word against it by the corporate media whores! These days all the public is fed is HATE HATE HATE by Rush, O'Lielly and the assholes on Faux and elsewhere! :puke:

Also, this proves that the pro-life stance of the reTHUGS is total bullshit too, because this hideous act most certainly wasn't pro-life! :grr:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
134. THIS POINTS OUT THE TRUTH.
Sorry to yell, but I'm trying to point something out here. What you are saying says it all. Regardless of where a DU'er is from the North or the South, what you said points out the overall truth that should unite us here on DU. Yes, some of us live in the south and point out that the south has racism problems too. Those problems need to be solved. The truth is that racism really is everywhere and the racists feel emboldened by Bush' power. Those are the people we need to come together and fight.

Great post. :thumbsup:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:34 PM
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42. Typical Republican behavior. nt
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:34 PM
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43. Disgusting and sick.
What the hell is wrong with these people?
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:24 PM
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48. The Culture of Cruelty marches on...
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:38 PM
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53. It's hard to believe that such people live in this world...
I have no words to express my shock and anger.

I think I'm going to be sick.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:59 PM
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54. I just want to point out that this sort of thing is VERY rare in Maine...
Racially-motivated violence is -- and has been -- rare among Mainers throughout the political spectrum. This incident is decidely abnormal.


Just sayin. I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea about this very decent state.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #54
75. I second that emotion!
Sorry, but there is no possible way the racism encountered in this state compares to what you find in a few of the southern states. There are reasons for this, though, that probably have nothing to do with the relative virtue of Maine residents. We've been predominantly white for a long time...
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:06 AM
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113. There's your reason,
"There are reasons for this, though, that probably have nothing to do with the relative virtue of Maine residents. We've been predominantly white for a long time..."
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pnb Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:06 AM
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123. Yep
You don't have to kill anyone that you can merely keep out of your state.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:59 AM
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133. This thread is making me feel ill. n/t
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #113
138. Which is, of course, why I wrote that!
But thanks for clarifying :eyesroll: J/K :D
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #54
98. People moving in from out of state always ask about the murder rate.
My dad, a RE agent, always says, "The only person who is going to murder you here is your spouse."

:evilgrin:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:12 PM
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59. They Will Take Care of Him in Prison
trust me.... I actually cringe at the thought of what they will do to him in there.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:11 PM
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67. What the fuck is wrong with people?
I mean really. What the fuck? This is just mindless. It's things like this that make nuclear holocaust sound like a good idea.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:18 PM
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70. wow..
turned himself in... bunch of racist drunks.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:06 PM
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93. Have fun in a state prison.
That's as nice as I can be. :mad:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:36 PM
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97. Only in Maine.
:banghead:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:09 PM
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99. Sonofa-effing bitch...
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:45 PM
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100. Racist 'enablers' (the witnesses) are the reason such crimes occur
regularly. Enablers are just as guilty as the one carrying out such acts. Unfortunately, they rarely get punished for it.


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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:29 AM
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101. Just another night in Hazard County...
...at the junction of six Southern states.

What's with you guys? This is pretty much standard procedure for Klansmen. Hell, they kick their own pregnant wives around! Why all the feigned shock and awe? Or are you that much out of touch with reality?

It's just an old Southern tradition that's become popular up North, like Dr. Pepper. Yee-hah!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:25 AM
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103. update: baby shower Sun. on Hancock Green; bail conditions set for suspect
Dow has made bail, but must abide by the following conditions:


  • No drugs, and no alcohol
  • Must submit to surprise searches and tests
  • No contact with the victim or witnesses
  • Must stay away from Tideway Market


The article doesn't say, but I sure hope they've made him surrender any firearms or other weapons.

Also, the Attorney General may file a civil suit against him, in addition to the criminal proceedings.


http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=41508
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:21 AM
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116. I'm glad to see there's going to be a rally on the village green...
A big community response to a hate crime is a powerful symbol.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:33 AM
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117. I agree
This is a great response and I hope other communities nationwide take note.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:36 AM
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105. What a stupid juvenile idiot this guy is
I hope they throw the book at him.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:49 AM
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122. Notice how these scumbags always attack in groups and ...
always attack someone they know is not going to be able to fight back in any meaningful way.
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:09 AM
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135. Typical Bush-voting redneck behavior
Idiots. All.
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