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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:21 AM
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Jon Stewart Said Last Night, “… if it is a war against civilization…
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:29 AM by Montagnard

Then lets WWII it. If it isn’t then stop scaring the crap out of us every two years.”

In that statement Stewart hit on the main point of why, if this truly is a might struggle, the Bush regime and the Republicans are not the right people to lead the country at this time.

Two points that make my argument:

First, Bush and the Republicans tell us this is a global war. If that is so then why did they elect a strategy that now has all of our resources, men and money, fixed in one geographical area? Terrorist are without national boundaries. Bush and the Republicans have locked us into a struggle with the outcome being determined not by us, but by the Iraqis and their desire to build a stable state.

Second point is why the Republicans and Bush elected to fight this war on credit. In the middle of a global war of cataclysmic proportions instead of calling upon all of the citizens to share the cost, they instead entered into massive tax cuts for the rich. So now a nation embattled is required to do battle on credit. It this is WWIII, then where are the “dollar a day men?”

No, the Bush regime and the Republicans are not serious about winning any global war on anyone. If they are serious, then they are incompetent, either way they are the wrong people to lead us out of this mess.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:22 AM
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1. And the crowd roared
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:24 AM
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2. if it's for all the marbles, why only 130,000 troops in Iraq?
I mean shouldn't the whole country be mobilized???
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:15 AM
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9. It's only for the marbles that King George has lost. (NT)
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:29 AM
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3. exactly
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:30 AM
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4. Kerry: need plan to capture Usama and Al Qaeda - not congressional seats
Kerry made that point during this section of his speech last Saturday. Bush's WH spends more time planning politically than planning how to win against Al Qaeda.


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The leaders of this administration have shown in recent days that they will say anything, do anything, twist any truth, and endanger our nation's character as one America in a desperate ploy to survive a midterm election. But I think, and you think, too, that Americans now see through this charade. They know the truth.

We have a Katrina foreign policy: a succession of blunders, and of failures that have betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. Every time this administration is down in the polls, every time their political opponents at home appear to gain, what do they do? They trot out the fear card. And instead of reinforcing in Americans, as a great President did, “There is nothing to fear but fear itself,” they have nothing to offer but fear itself.

The President wants Americans to believe that only one party wants to fight terror. That is a desperately cynical game to try to win an election. I believe we need a game plan to capture and kill Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda – not a few Congressional seats.

I believe we need national leadership capable of raising hopes and inspiring trust, not raising fears and demanding blind faith. We need to marshal all of our resources: military, diplomatic, economic, and moral. And first and foremost, we need to always tell the American people the truth.

That is why, on the eve of this midterm election, we Democrats, and Independents, and, hopefully, thoughtful Republicans have a responsibility into every corner of our nation. Not just to oppose what has failed, but to propose a new direction that can restore a bipartisan foreign policy that can actually defeat jihadist terrorism once and for all.

In order to change course, we must level with the American people about the magnitude of the challenge. We have to face reality in order to be able to change it. This starts by leveling with the American people about Iraq's true position in the overall fight against jihadism. The President pretends again and again that Iraq is the central front on the war on terror. It is not now and never has been.

The truth is, the truth is that his disastrous decisions have made Iraq a fuel depot for terror, fanning the flames of conflict around the world. There is simply no way possible to overstate how Iraq has subverter our efforts to free the world from global terror. It have overstretched our military. It has served as an essential recruitment tool for terrorists. It has divided and pushed away traditional allies. It has diverted critical billions of dollars from the real front lines of the war on terror, and from homeland security. It has unleashed dangerous, pent-up historical forces of radical religious extremism. It has weakened moderate leaders in the Middle East. It has strenghtened and played into Iran's hands. It has diminished our moral authority in the world.

And the demagogic drum beat about fighting terrorists over there instead of here, even though they weren't in Iraq until we went in, and it's now a civil war we're fighting has compromised America's real interests, and it has made us less safe than we ought to be five years after 9-11. And lest any American question that, the true measure of that reality is the stark fact that worldwide terrorist attacks are at an all-time high, and there are now more terrorists in the world who want to kill Americans than there were on 9-11.

After all the tough talk of “Wanted Dead or Alive,” after the administration bragged and boasted, they meekly backed off in the mountains of Tora Bora. Osama Bin laden escaped because this administration consciously held back the best military in the world – ours – and they outsourced the job to local militias. And since then, Al Qaeda has spawned a vast, decentralized network, operating in 65 countries. Only Dick Cheney could call this a success.

The situation in Afghanistan deteriorates steadily, sqandering the sacrifices of our troops and allies in the military campaign of 2002. The Taliban now controls entire portions of southern Afghanistan. And just across the border, Pakistan is only one coup away from becoming a radical jihadist state with a full compliment of nuclear weapons. Only Donald Rumsfeld could proclaim this a victory.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:17 AM
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5. They are serious only about implementing an extreme RW PNAC agenda
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:28 AM
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6. A similar post on DU ..
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:30 AM
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7. credit held by the Chinese, incidentally
The future is held by the Chinese who've loaned our children and grandchildren the money.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:42 AM
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Excellent points--both of them!
I also think that both issues illustrate the fact that Bush has made this country weaker and more vulnerable.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:42 AM
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8. It must be so frustrating to
be Jon Stewart and have to sift through bush clips to illustrate the latest justification bush should be cleaning toilets instead of smelling up the oval office.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:19 AM
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10. It's not a war by any stretch of the imagination
It's a societal problem, a mixture of poverty, fundamentalism, and arrogant superpower policy. There is no way to stop "terrorism" ever. You can kill as many as you like, but you will never stop it. The idea of using an army against what are essentially civilian malcontents is ludicrous; even the armed forces admit they have no real method for dealing with this.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:25 AM
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11. K & R - he also talked about troop levels
like, maybe sending 300,000 more if we really wanted to get Iraq under control and get out of there. Kind of like the "retired" generals told Rumsfled we'd need.

The cowboy hat and bale of hay cracked me up - as well as his "conversation" with * . He's a smart and patriotic man, that Jon.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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12. Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann are the only 2 telling the truth
on TV these days. So sad that one of the two is actually supposed to be a "fake" news show.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:35 PM
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13. Don't forget Colbert!
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:54 PM
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14. Kick
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:13 PM
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15. If it's war, then we should stop driving the damned SUVs!
This isn't a war, because the objective of Bush Regime and the terrorists is exactly the same - to keep Americans in fear.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:29 AM
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16. Well, no, they don't want to WIN a war - they want to HAVE a war.
Once a war is won and done and over with, where are all the big no-bid contracts to give to their cronies? Where is the film footage of violence to scare the nation into allowing the Bill of Rights to be turned into a quaint, old, no-longer-applicable document? Where does Dubya get to play toy soldiers with real humans?

Win the war? No. Everything they want comes from HAVING a war, not winning one.
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