Chaffee and Lieberman support proves RNC cares more for image than prolife

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issue.

What signal is the RNC really sending to the ideological voters they have curried for so long? That they will side MIGHTILY with prochoice, moderate legislators over prolife conservatives if it serves their POLITICAL PURPOSE.

Their political purpose is protection of their ability to point to moderates in their tent during PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS to give them the VENEER that they are NOT captive to the theocrats and RW ideologues.

This is far more important to them than the legislation they have promised prolife voters for the last thirty years.

[RangerSmith]

1. I hope

you aren't too upset when the party gets behind Bob Casey against Rick Santorum.. among several Pro Life Dems they'll give money.

There are about 35 pro life dems in the house and senate and they will get national backing and funds cause it's all about the seats.

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4. Big difference - Casey's stance is principled and religion-based and

NOT used as a ploy - the DNC doesn't use it as a ploy.

The RNC's stance is completely political. They are even supporting Lieberman, fer chrissakes, only because it's a political tool for them. Lieberman over a conservative Republican who matches their platform 100%?

Nice of you to always join threads to defend the GOPs and their tactics. You are SO consistent.

[RangerSmith]

5. You really buy all that?

That the DNC isn't about politics?

That it's OK to be a Dem and pro life because it's principled and religious based?

And that's actually different than the repubs?

Fuck that, leave your religion out of my government!

I just can't get there. This pretty much nails where I am today...

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/39182/

I'm not on the DNC kool aid, I'm getting pretty sick of it in fact.

And your continued strawmen insinuating people not locking step with your beliefs being the enemy is getting old and childish.

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6. I'm telling it like it is - I supported Dennis Kucinich for YEARS knowing

he was prolife but knowing WHY he was prolife because he was raised very much like me, including being guardianed at one point by my aunt who was a nun overseeing the orphanage he lived in for a while.

Same with David Bonior who went to seminary school to become a Catholic priest. He was prolife, but it never stopped the GOPs from attacking him vociferously even while pretending to their base that they were staunch prolifers themselves.

The DNC never used their prolife stances as political tools. And you can't point to one time they did.

And don't even TRY to play your games with me. I don't PLAY. And I don't tire of WORKING towards an end of the fascist Republican reign over this country.

[RufusEarl]

2. I describe republicans this way!

They are 10% substance and 90% aroma, but thats the way american conservative politics have always been.

[bigtree]

3. stand for nothing, political expediency

I still think the republicans in the state will continue to pressure him about his 'moderation'

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. What does Bob Casey prove about the Democratic party?

Seems that both parties have the same policy on this issue.

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8. Except the DNC doesn't use it as a ploy. I went thru this for years

supporting Dennis Kucinich. Same with Bonior. Both were prolife DEEPLY based in their Catholic faith.

The RNC gets on TV the last two weeks of every presidential election and highlights prochoice Repubs and downplays anti-choice stances just in time to get moderates to feel safer voting for them.

You'd have to be blind not to see the deliberateness of their maneuvers on this issue - and you don't see the Dems responding with the same ploy.

The Dems do it, too mantra doesn't hold water on this.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. Kucinich is no longer prolife

Does he no longer have deeply based faith?

If his Catholic faith was so deep, why did it not stop him from divorcing twice?

Or was his switch on abortion just one of political expediency?

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10. It's his own personal evolution - I understand it - I went thru very much

the same way he did. I came to my own prochoice stance a couple decades earlier than he did, but being a woman out in the world can do that.

He was always surrounded by the same type of people he grew up with throughout the time I was out exploring the world and big city lifestyles and issues. Cleveland was generally a fairly provincial town and many of his constituents were older immigrant or first generation American and working class through and through.

You either GET what Kucinich is about, or you don't - but he's not a hypocrite or politically expedient - he is just someone very steeped in traditional values who is at the same time evolving with a global consciousness.

He makes sense to me - and I can be pretty cynical about politicians.

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Funny how his political evolution on abortion occurred just before

he ran for President.

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12. Not surprising to me. By then he had spent time speaking to people around

the country more and wasn't only listening to his Cleveland neighborhood. That's a huge difference whether you want to see it that way or not.

I see it because I lived it. It took a 7.8 earthquake to shake my eyes the rest of the way open. For him it was speaking to thousands and thousands of people across America with different experiences than he was used to dealing with as a congressman with a whole different type of constituency.