I am here to say it

[smtpgirl]

Why do you people think that the Redskin name is racist??

I could go on about racial epithets, many of you have said them.

For any of you who spew this, please make a donation to an American Indian tribe in the US, name your reservation,

RESERVATION, that is where most American Indians live, in poverty.

They have poor diets, diabetes, high blood pressure, because of the White Man Government handout of the government issued food, and WIC


Indians, by nature are not a sendentary people, BUT THE WHITE MAN IS SLOWLY KILLING THE REDMAN OFF FROM A POOR DIET AND POVERTY.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. This is Latest Breaking News smt...

Oops. :hi:

[timber84]

2. Why is this in LBN?

[smtpgirl]

3. BECAUSE I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THAT

THE REDSKINS FOOTBALL TEAM HAS A RACIST NAME.


PUT UP OR SHUT UP

DONATE TO AN AMERICAN INDIAN TRIBE OF YOUR CHOICE, I HAVE

I will post this again, all throug the season,

DONATE TO AN AMERICAN INDIAN TRIBE

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Shit up...?

:spray:

btw, my husband is descended from Native Americans.

[NoSheep]

9. LOL!!!!

sorry. really. this just struck me as totally out of nowhere. i'm sorry. forget i said anything at all.

[NoSheep]

10. as are some of my very best friends!

i should retire to the lownge.

[smtpgirl]

14. I am am Native American too

can't shit up

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. And here I thought you were saying we could...

You did say that... before your edit, right? ;)

[KingFlorez]

18. What in the world?

[petronius]

50. I think it's like "pissing up a rope", only a lot more difficult...

I haven't personally tried either one...

[Mabus]

19. It is offensive and it is racist.

up until the early 20th century you could get a bounty if you turned in the scalp of an American Indian. These scalps were called "redskins".

Here's a sample proclamation

Proclamation issued in 1755

Given at the Council Chamber in Boston this third day of November 1755 in the twenty-ninth year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France, and Iceland, King Defender of the Faith.

By His Honour's command
J. Willard, Secry.
God Save the King

Whereas the tribe of Penobscot Indians have repeatedly in a perfidious manner acted contrary to their solemn submission unto his Majesty long since made and frequently renewed.

I have therefore, at the desire of the House of Representatives ... thought fit to issue this Proclamation and to declare the Penobscot Tribe of Indians to be enimies, rebels, and traitors to his Majesty. And I do hereby require his Majesty's subjects of the Province to embrace all opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing, and destroy all and every one of the aforesaid Indians.

And wereas the General Court of this Province have voted that a bounty.... be granted and allowed to be paid out of the Province Treasury.... The premiums of bounty following viz:

For every scalp of a male Indian brought in as evidence of their being killed as aforesaid, forty pounds.

For every scalp of such female Indian or male Indian under the age of twelve years that shall be killed and brought in as evidence of their being killed as aforesaid, twenty pounds.

source: http://www.aics.org/mascot/redskins.html

[NoSheep]

25. I say it is semantics. If I go to Chad, and say redskins, they don't think

that is bad. i say it depends on who you say it to. I really think it may have that connotation to some, but not to anyone I know. redskin is good. In my company, something to be proud of. Something I want to know more about. Something I admire.

[Mabus]

32. I am American Indian

and I find it offensive. You can call it semantics but as the descendant of a Sand Creek Massacre survivor I disagree and find nothing noble in the term redskins. I also don't think that acceptability and appropriateness of words is something that is left to what your friends think.

[NoSheep]

43. Your point is well taken. I just wanted you to know that I admire the

people who treated this land as a home. That is the only connotation the word has for me. Heroes I wish I knew better. I never have any reason to use that term in a conversation. But if I hear it, that is what I think. Like "Eagles" or "Patriots". I didn't realize it was not acceptable to native americans. How do you feel about being termed "native american"? Your people were here before this place was branded America. Also, are you a part of a "so-called" sovereign nation? In that case, I'd think you would refer to yourself by your tribe's name. I really am not very educated about this. It isn't for lack of wanting. I took "Native American" history in college and my professor was senile and gave us the same lecture every other class (poor guy).

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. Ok. But Redskin Still Is A Racist Term. I Thought It Silly At First, But

upon deeper thought realized they actually absolutely have merit to their argument: It is racist.

[smtpgirl]

8. WHAT TRIBE ARE YOU GOING TO DONATE TO??

As you sit fat & happy in your chair, being a do-nothing???

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT???

DO YOU HAVE SUPER SECRET POWERS THAT ALLOW YOU TO LOOK INTO OUR HOMES AND CHECKBOOKS SMTPGIRL??? THERE ARE MORE LOGICAL, AND RESPECTFUL WAYS TO DEBATE THIS. TRY ONE. :hi:

[smtpgirl]

17. Do you think I am part of the *ush cabal?

that's what people want you to think.

Have an open mind,

WHAT AMERICAN TRIBES ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO DONATE TO????

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. No, I don't think you are part of the *ush cabal... I think you are

eating your own though.

I don't need to share my personal financial information with you unless I choose to.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. Is There A "Teach Grasshopper To Not Use Caps" Tribe? I'll Donate To Them

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. ...

:thumbsup: :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. ...

:hi:


(and sorry bout the lounge thread. I'm just in a kinda serious mood tonight. But this thread doesn't count as levity? LOL ;)

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. True.

And sorry I was a little snarky with you. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Sorry From Me As Well. I've Got Strep Throat, Long Workday, And 9-11

made me a bit irritable tonight. Also makes me feel like a wiseass at the same time. It's all good.

Love back at ya MrsGrumpy. I hope you personally suffered no losses on this day 5 years ago and wish you a pleasant evening.

[NoSheep]

30. Now that just tears it! The term grasshopper is beyond reproach.

:crazy:

[stranger81]

6. I donate financially,

am part Native American, and I think it's racist.

How 'bout them apples?

[KingFlorez]

7. It's not very respectful

A team shouldn't be named after a race of people, it's just not right

[smtpgirl]

11. boycott the Kansas City Chiefs

and the Florida Seminoles too

OH and I forgot the Atlanta Braves

I'll have you know, the Washington Redskins USED to be the BOSTON REDSKINS. look it up

[KingFlorez]

16. Whatever

[smtpgirl]

28. some of the responders here

are tumbleweeds, they just don't get it

[HuffleClaw]

12. i'm unclear as to what point you are making

are you saying it IS or isn't offensive?

[NoSheep]

22. I really do need to leave this thread. But it's really so much fun.

To me, the term Redskin is a proud term. It represents (for me) strength and endurance. Vitality, integrity.

I have no doubt your observations have merit. But I personally don't know a soul who feels an indian name is anything but something to be admired and revered; an idea and a model to aspire to. I'm sorry you feel this is negative.

btw. my response is to the op..no matter where it ends up.

[smtpgirl]

23. My Point

is that, if anyone here responding to this thread thinks the Redskin name is racist, please donate to am American Indian tribe of your choice in the US, too many people here think that the REDSKIN name is racist, but they are just like the Bush Administration, ALL SMOKE & MIRRORS!!


Donate to an American Indian tribe, it you feel that way.

In fact, if you have that much time on your hands, you might google american indian reservations, you might get the sanitary version

[NoSheep]

31. Gotcha! Can I give you a hug?

:pals:

[Mabus]

36. Not all Indian lands are reservations

and not all reservations are Indian land. Your ignorance of American Indian culture is very apparent. Please try to educate yourself about a subject before making false declarations.

[driver8]

44. Sounds to me like you are the one with too much time on her

hands.

You start out babbling about Redskins and racists and then tell us to donate to an Indian tribe.

Who the fuck are you?? I didn't know we had a "donation police" at DU.

Just out of curiosity -- are you a Native American?

[johnnie]

21. And the Packers

Boycott the Packers. For all of those people who pack their bags for a trip, pack a lunch and pack bowls, it just is wrong. Plain wrong!

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ScreamingMeemie]

27. Us Fucks???

Again... you go about it the wrong way.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Somewhere, Right Now, If Ya Listen Closely, You'll Hear A Chief Shouting:

"Oh no, retarded sun wolf has scampered away again! Someone find her before she embarrasses us all!"

[smtpgirl]

again you don't get it

keep posting,

so where are the donation dollars, oh to I hear silence???


Thought so,

You people are nothing but self-absorbed loungers

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Wait..There It Is.. Shhhh.. Listen.. It's The Chief: "Retarded Sun Wolf,

get back here! You missed your Peyote and your mind isn't right. You must come back now before you shame us all!"

Can ya hear it? It's getting louder...

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. Give me one good reason why I should open my banking records

to you and perhaps I will.

And if posting is such a bad thing...why are you still here posting? You made your point, albeit half hingedly, why not move on? :shrug:

[smtpgirl]

39. again you don't get it

keep posting,

so where are the donation dollars, oh to I hear silence???


Thought so,

You people are nothing but self-absorbed loungers

[smtpgirl]

34. I now think that you people can't think for yourselves

you are cloaked in the DU bandwagon beliefs.


so why can't anyone here contribute to am american indian tribe? You have so many to choose from.

Here is my native tribe:

Blackfoot



Abenaki
Akimel O'Odham (Pima)
Alabama-Coushatta
Aleut
Apache
Apalachee
Arapaho
Arikara
Arkansas (Quapaw)
Assiniboin

Bannock
Blackfoot

Caddo
Canarsee
Catawba
Cayuga. See Iroquois Confederacy
Cayuse
Cherokee
Cheyenne
Chickasaw
Chinook
Chippewa (Ojibwa)
Choctaw
Coeur d'Alene
Colville
Comanche
Cree
Creek
Crow
A-C | D-I | K-N | O-Q | S-Y

Dakota (Sioux)
Delaware
Diné. See Navajo

Erie
"Eskimo" groups

Flathead. See Salish
Fox. See Sac and Fox

Gros Ventre

Haida
Hidatsa
Hoopa
Hopi
Huron

Inuit. See "Eskimo" groups
Illinois
Iowa
Iroquois Confederacy RELATED LINKS
Biographies of Notable American Indians

American Indians by the Numbers

Navajo Code Talkers

Sacagawea Golden Dollar




A-C | D-I | K-N | O-Q | S-Y


Kalispel
Kansa (Kaw)
Kickapoo
Kiowa
Klallam
Klamath
Kootenai
Kwakiutl

Lumbee

Mahican
Maidu
Makah
Malecite
Mandan
Manhattan
Maricopa
Massachusett
Menominee
Miami
Micmac
Mission Indians
Modoc
Mohave
Mohawk. See Iroquois Confederacy
Mohegan
Montagnais and Naskapi
Muskogee. See Creek

Narragansett
Natchez
Navajo
Neutral Nation
Nez Percé
Nootka

A-C | D-I | K-N | O-Q | S-Y


Ojibwa (Chippewa)
Okanogan
Omaha
Oneida. See Iroquois Confederacy
Onondaga. See Iroquois Confederacy
Osage
Oto
Ottawa

Paiute
Papago (Tohono O'Odham)
Pawnee
Pennacook
Penobscot
Pequot
Pima (Akimel O'Odham)
Pomo
Ponca
Potawatomi
Powhatan Confederacy
Pueblo
Puyallup. See Salish

Quapaw (Arkansas)
Quechan. See Yuma
A-C | D-I | K-N | O-Q | S-Y


Sac and Fox
Salish
Santee. See Sioux (Dakota)
Sarsi
Sauk. See Sac and Fox
Seminole
Seneca. See Iroquois Confederacy
Shawnee
Shoshone
Shuswap
Sioux (Dakota)
Spokan
Stockbridge

Teton. See: Sioux (Dakota)
Tillamook
Tlingit
Tobacco Nation
Tohono O'Odham (Papago)
Tsimshian
Tuscarora. See Iroquois Confederacy

Ute

Wampanoag
Wappinger
Washo
Wichita
Winnebago
Wyandot. See Huron

Yakima
Yamasee
Yankton. See: Sioux (Dakota)
Yokuts
Yuma
Yurok

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Wooooooohoooooo! You Can Type Lists!!! What You Didn't Do, However,

is actually inquire in an intellectually polite manner for people to donate, if they've donated in the past, or why it would be a noble cause to do so.

[Name removed]

45. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. Yeah, Ya Know, I'm A Softee For Someone Coming Over To Me And Declaring

to donate money or I'll get a hammer to my head. Yeah, that gets me ever time. :eyes:

[ScreamingMeemie]

40. I am going to ask you one more time...how do you know that

all of "us DUers" don't donate to Native American tribes? Special powers?

[driver8]

48. You smoke-um too much peace pipe...

When did they start putting crack in those things?

You are way off base here -- you don't know any of us. You don't know who we donate money to; you don't know which of us might be Native American.

Congratulations -- you are the very first person that I have ever put on "ignore".

[pitohui]

42. most americans are already donating financially and quite a bit

this is why foxwoods was at one time the largest casino in the world and prob. still is the largest in the usa

[RoyGBiv]

51. Polite question and a couple comments...

Why is this rant inspired by the naming of a football team? Seriously. You say up-thread you're sick of people saying it's a racist name. Okay. Does this mean you do not? Or does it mean that you do, or that you're ambivalent on the point and would rather people quite worrying so much about words at start doing something meaningful that actually aids Native peoples?

Comment: Most American Indians don't live on reservations. A lot do, and a great many of them lead nearly hopeless lives. Others who live on reservations perfer it, which would be fine, imo, if the Federal government would live up to its treaty obligations more completely.

Second comment: Do with this what you will. The Boston Braves changed their name to the Boston Redskins in honor of their coach, whose mother was Sioux.

[Broken_Hero]

52. Locking

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html