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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:38 PM
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LOL-- I've been denounced as "anti-American" to my employer...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 02:44 PM by mike_c
...for my posts on DU! My department chairman recently received an email that included:

>I wanted to make you aware of the fact that one of your "esteemed"
>professors is running around the internet making very inflammatory and
>completely inaccurate statements about U.S. Soldiers.
>
>He is making these statements on this website; www.democraticunderground.com
>and here is a sample:


(original post snipped for brevity-- it was from March 2005 and discussed the illegality of the war against Iraq)

>As a soldier who has served honorably in Iraq and seen first hand the good
>things we are doing there I find this hateful uninformed rhetoric personally
>offensive as well as libelous and slanderous in nature as well as intent.
>
>Whether you know it or not, Mr. Camann's kind of radical anti-American
>screeching only helps to bolster help bolster the already numerous reasons
>why people should not vote for the Democratic party in this country.
>
>The fact that he is able to spew such small minded babble is because of the
>soldiers that he has deemed "war criminals". A fact that seems to fly
>completely over this supposedly intelligent man's head.
>
>Perhaps it would behoove you to remind him to stick to what he knows, which
>according to your website is Biology and stay away from the political arena
>where he seems to be overmatched. One Ward Churchill was enough without one
>of your staff trying to mold himself into a Churchill wannabe.
>
>Thank you for your time and consideration on this matter.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>CPL John S. Wollaston
>Ft. Belvoir, VA.


Interestingly, a Google search for Mr. Wollaston turns his name up first, on-- wait for it-- Free Republic (although not as a poster apparently, but rather as a source). He has an article on a site called "Defend America-- U.S. Department of Defense News About the War on Terrorism." He appears to write for a variety of military publications. At best, he appears to be a paid cheerleader for the war against Irag and at worst a domestic psyops specialist. Interesting that he's trolling for year old comments and sending them to peoples' bosses. I wonder if he's doing it on his own time, or whether this is a DoD op.

I suppose this is something of a badge of distinction-- he even compared me to Ward Churchill, LOL! A note to Mr. Wollaston: I'm a tenured professor at a state liberal arts university-- collectively among the most unabashedly liberal institutions remaining in America-- where free speech is highly respected. This sort of denouncement might have been effective in the stalinist Soviet Union, and maybe even in some professions in the U.S., but don't be holding your breath waiting for department chairmen to censor professors for expressing views you regard as "anti-American," especially when we express them as private citizens. We are not yet back in the days of the blacklist!

Here's the part that will really infuriate Mr. Wollaston. My job is to help young men and women develop critical thinking skills, i.e. to encourage them to question conventions, including the ones that separate "Americanism" from "anti-Americanism." An educated populace is a curious populace that doesn't reflexively accept ideals simply because they're "American," or "Christian," or anything else. We produce students who are capable of arriving at a wide range of personal viewpoints, including views similar to Mr. Wollaston's, but the truth is that the more their education "takes," the more they tend to question such simplistic perspectives. I count that as a good thing. I've succeeded when my students analyze their Kool-aid before they agree to drink it. And my institution encourages that professional standard.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:41 PM
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1. Fascist tactics on display here.. How to stifle dissent 101.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:49 PM
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15. Stalinist, even.
Susan Sontag was right about the line being very thin between authoritarians of the left and right.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:10 AM
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189. Stalinist, yes
Authoritarianism isn't about left or right. It's about grabbing and holding power by any possible means. The end result is still the same, so we may as well just dispense with left/right thinking.
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:18 PM
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192. Fascist tactics 101? Tattle Tale K5 imo.
:)
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:41 AM
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240. You betcha...
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 11:42 AM by hughee99
Nothing says "fascist tactics" or stifles dissent like writing a letter to someone's boss, and not even demanding the person's resignation, just that they stick to what they know. :sarcasm: A letter, from the sound of it, is probably going to be ignored anyway by the boss.

Is Mr. Wollaston an asshat? Sure. But comparing a letter of complaint to fascism, totalitarianism, or blacklisting is ridiculous.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:42 PM
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2. I think most of us can expect this sort of garbage
It's the first salvo in the new McCarthyism, trying to get anyone to the left of Mussolini fired as being disloyal to His Holiness, the little tin Jesus in the White House.

It's always the same damn people every time, the unhappy busybodies who can't deal with the wreckage in their own lives so they try to wreck yours worse.

Just be aware it's coming.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:43 PM
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3. A dirty little snitch. The lowest of the low.
CPL John S. Wollaston, Ft. Belvoir, VA. you are scum.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:43 PM
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4. What a pathetic asshole...
I notice that he can't seem to point out what you're so wrong about.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:43 PM
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5. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get this posted
At freerepublic.com?
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:44 PM
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6. Let me get this straight: He's not even complaining about what you've
been saying IN YOUR CLASS? It looks rather like he's informing on you for your postings on the internet, not necessarily as a professor but as a citizen. How very Stalinist.

You're a better man than I for retaining your sense of humor about this; I don't believe I could. If this fellow is looking for "anti-Americanism", I'd suggest he start by looking in a damn mirror. :grr:

But now I'm curious: What did your dept. Chair say about this?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. yep-- I teach entomology and ecology so there's not much...
...in the way of overtly political content there-- and certainly nothing to do directly with the war against Iraq.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. bugs are socialists, aren't they?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #17
100. depends on what type...
there's a reason she's called the Queen bee...

and what about the Great Horned Beetle? Anarchist, all the way...

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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #17
229. I know I'd be Socialist if I was a bug.
All those humans wanting to squash me, I'd want some equality.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
137. another entomologist here who posts on DU
should I be worried?

Nah.

The chair of my department relies on me for the anti-Bush news.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #137
195. LOL....
:hi:

Shouldn't we have a secret handshake or something...?
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:44 PM
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7. .
Apparently, some people just don't have anything else to do. I envy them.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:46 PM
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8. Good Luck.
The days of 'black lists' are back.

Which America is it to be? For the person who denounced you - my question is, "Can you define for me Pro-American speech?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:46 PM
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9. Hold it, you were accused of being an enemy of the state
by a CORPORAL? What will happen next? Perhaps you should point out to the young man that he is in uniform and that he is now stating things that make him a spokesperson for the DOD... which is AGAINST DOD policy. UCMJ and all that... then again he is following the example of LTGEN Boykin... but you get the picture... perhaps a letter pointint to this to the ahem LOCAL paper and the base commander is in order.

Free republic, why am I not surprised? What the heck, let me go on a limb... what if the corporal is not even active duty? Yep, I'd be willing to go that far, then again Ft Bevoir has a Psy Ops unit
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:20 PM
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46. And guess who else was a corporal?
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 03:20 PM by geardaddy
with rabid ideas? ;)

edited for spelling
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:20 AM
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184. This little corporal is trying to emulate that other little corporal
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 09:25 AM by Minnesota_Lib
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:46 PM
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10. It sounds like Mr. Wollaston could benefit from one of your classes!
I'd be a bit disturbed that he hunted you down like that, mike_c. These folks seem pretty desperate if they're willing to try to affect someone's career.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
29. They already have.
Remember the DUer who worked at a radio station? It was not long after I joined. I don't remember all the details.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
50. I was just going to mention that
That was truly an ugly episode. I wish I could remember that DU'ers name.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #29
170. Yeah, he was fired n/t
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #170
177. Seems like it was for not...
bowing to the beating of breasts and rending of garments that WAS St Ronnie's funeral.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #177
190. That's right! I was trying to remmeber.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #29
218. I remember that. They worked for
NPR didn't they?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #218
221. Yep, and posted that...
they just didn't think they could go along with the Sorrow-Fest; was asking for input on what to play.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:46 PM
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11. Nominated for the Top 10 Conservative idiots. -nt
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:47 PM
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12. "Develop critical thinking skills."
Thanks Mike. That really fucks with their minds. Is such development possible with lemmings? Limbaugh has said liberals are much more educated then conseratives and today's "conservatives" are proud of their ignorance. And so proud about being wrong, so instead of saying lets reevaluate our position in Iraq, they scratch their heads, stick said head in the sand and ignore the continued deaths of American kids which they don't care about anyway.

Yo CPL Wollaston, pray to hannity that you did not work for me.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:51 AM
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173. Limpballs said that?
"Limbaugh has said liberals are much more educated then conseratives and today's "conservatives" are proud of their ignorance."

My God! Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while. :-)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:49 PM
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14. You left off one thing
Invite Mr. Wollaston to come to your class, where you and he will engage in an unscripted and no doubt energetic give-and-take. I'm sure that a man of action like Mr. Wollaston would greatly prefer a face-to-face confrontation than sneaking around to a man's boss, squealing like a little punk-ass bitch.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:57 PM
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20. good point-- Mr. Wollaston, you are indeed invited...
...and if you accept we'll make the discussion an open one so you can both make your case directly to the students, AND respond to their questions and comments.

Given that he chose a post from over a year ago however, and God knows I have lots of recent examples of "inflamatory anti-Americanism" to choose from here-- I doubt that Mr. Wollaston actually reads DU very frequently.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:50 PM
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16. Remind CPL Wollaston of his Commander-in-Chief's military history


……….


WWW.AWOLBUSH.COM






DESERTER: THE STORY OF GEORGE W. BUSH AFTER HE QUIT THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm















$10,000 reward was never collected




Cheerleader action doll hahahaha
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
74. Bush was not AWOL.
After 72 hours, he officially became a Deserter.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #74
191. Indeed! LOL! n/t
PB
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
213. Oh but he did serve
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:54 PM
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18. that's a bit confusing
If he, apparently, is a Republican, then he should logically be encouraging you to write more and encouraging more people to read what you have written, since, according to him:

">Whether you know it or not, Mr. (name redacted, but shouldn't that be Prof X instead of Mr. X?)X's kind of radical anti-American
>screeching only helps to bolster help bolster the already numerous reasons
>why people should not vote for the Democratic party in this country."

Can you link to the offensive post? Was it "hateful uninformed rhetoric" that was "libelous and slanderous (does he read out loud or something?) in nature and intent"?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:55 PM
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19. You should send this info to Conyers' office. They may be able to
see if he is on DOD payroll.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
83. Absolutely call in a Congressional on his ass! Notify his command
... and INSIST on punishment! That rat-bastard is an EMPLOYEE of the People and has absolutely no business whatsoever attempting to cause any citizen to lose his or her job for political speech!!

INSIST that this bastard receive at least an Article 15!! That's criminal conduct under UCMJ, I believe.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #83
159. Start farther up the food chain
Since he is using his military rank as it were a position of authority, the person in charge soldier needs to answer if this type of operation is on the S.O.P. If not, a disclaimer of the action from the official standpoint should be forth coming.

Inside the Shadow Government
National Emergencies and the Cult of Secrecy
by Harry Helms
Feral House, 2003, paper
p124
The Military and Civilian Law Enforcement
In late July of 2002, proposals came from both Republicans and Democrats to give the U.S. military a larger and more active role in civilian law enforcement in order to battle terrorism. In an interview televised on Fox News Sunday, Senator Joseph Biden (D-Delaware) said that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prohibits the U.S. military from civilian law enforcement within the United States, "has to be amended." Senator Biden said, "We're not talking about general police power," but also said he was concerned about what the military could do if they found terrorists in the United States with chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. "The military would not be able to shoot to kill if they were approaching the weapons," Biden said, nor could they arrest any of the terrorists. Tom Ridge, the homeland security director, echoed Biden's concerns later that day on CNN. "We need to be talking about military assets in anticipation of a crisis event," Ridge said. "And clearly if you're talking about using the military, then you should have a discussion about Posse Comitatus. It's not out of the question when, in support of civilian authorities, we would | give the National Guard or troops arrest ability."
(snip)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Milit_Civil_Enforce_ITSG.html
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #83
169. My ex-military, Mostly Freeper BIL told me that soldier broke the law
He (BIL) was an Intelligence officer, and now does secret stuff for the DOD. Even his Freeper heart was outraged by this -- because he is VERY law and order.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #169
183. I don't think there's any question it's against the UCMJ.
This creepy little authoritarian slime deserves loss of rank and dishonorable discharge, imho. Engaging in a retaliatory act aand attempting to interfere with a person's employment for engaging in (protected) political speech is 100% out-of-bounds for military personnel. If he were a civilian, a civil action could be taken against him, imho.

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #169
209. Oh he broke the law alright Freedom of Speech, Cyberspace, Harassment Law
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:59 PM
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21. What did your Dept. Chair say about it? n/t
....
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. absolutely nothing....
He simply forwarded it to me FYI. It was addressed to him personally, so although I make no effort to conceal my identity on DU, Wollaston evidently went to at least some effort to track down my employer and my department chair's identity-- all of which is easily obtained via Google of course, but one still has to have the intent to make a political denouncement.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Wow, pathetic and scary at the same time
n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:59 PM
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22. Wow, he'd go ballistic if he heard what I say from the pulpit.
And any denouncement to my superiors would result in a laugh riot as well.
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mymomwasright Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:00 PM
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23. I give Cpl Wollaston permission to..
Kiss the "Gunny's" ass! :hi:
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:01 PM
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24. He is a poster at FR - name is txradioguy
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 03:02 PM by Synnical
Edit to add link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375160/posts


When DUmmies Attack (AFN Soldier Under E-Mail Assault from DU)
Vanity ^ | 01 April 2005 | TxRadioguy

Posted on 03/31/2005 8:09:51 PM PST by txradioguy

It started out when I saw this "Letter To The Editor" in the March 22nd Stars and Stripes:

AFN needs diverse opinions

Rush Limbaugh is not of interest to all. Equal time needs to go to more moderate interests, and, failing that, to progressive ones.

I hereby launch a campaign to hear Air America once, at prime time, for every time Rush is on the air. Please let your local American Forces Network radio station know that you need to hear more than a paid announcement from the party line.

Any other point of view is absolutely necessary. Rush’s sources and motivations are highly suspect, and it would be interesting to look on White House pay records for what amounts go to the “Excellence in Broadcasting Network.”

I would also be curious as to what influence leads this broadcast to be on AFN on prime time four to five days a week, with political balance only from my fellow Texan Jim Hightower, for five minutes, buried somewhere in the early morning.

If we don’t demand freedom of choice, we won’t get it.

Emily Dolan Gordon Grafenwöhr, Germany

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And I replied with this in the March 29th Stars & Stripes:

Air America not the answer

This is in response to the letter writer who demanded “equal time” for Air America since American Forces Network broadcasts Rush Limbaugh (“AFN needs diverse opinions,” March 21). It sounds eerily like a form letter being circulated at the Liberal Web site DemocraticUnderground.com, so the editors of Stars and Stripes should be warned that more letters like this may be on the way. Let me also remind the letter writer, Emily Dolan Gordon, that the Federal Communications Commission’s “fairness doctrine” went away more than 20 years ago, so AFN, if it chooses, does not have to give “equal time” to the hate speech on Air America just to make it “fair.”

Second, why would anyone want to subject the soldiers and their family members proudly serving in all branches of the armed services to the anti-military filth that the hosts of the shows on Air America spew anyway? Besides, the liberal point of view is already disseminated on AFN through National Public Radio.

I suggest that if anyone wants to listen to their kook-theory scare-the-people diatribes, he or she should simply go to Air America’s Web site and listen for free. And if anyone dislikes listening to the things that Limbaugh has to say that much, he or she should simply exercise the greatest freedom we have as Americans, the freedom of choice, and change the channel.

Spc. John S. Wollaston Camp Casey, South Korea


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These started showing up in my mail box yesterday. The original letter writer started first:

Why don't you believe in equal time? Then you could make your own decision instead of someone else telling you what to think? I regularly listen to those I don't agree with...otherwise I'd be living in a bubble. I learn so much that way. When I'm against something or for something.. I KNOW why. When you just listen to Rush...you are just repeating his thoughts..not your own.

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Subject: Hey FreepTard

Must be nice to be sitting in the rear with the gear rather than wearing a flak jacket and web gear with the poor slobs in the Iraqi theater, huh?

Regarding your bullshit letter in S&S (and calling it bullshit is being polite):

"Second, why would anyone want to subject the soldiers and their family members proudly serving in all branches of the armed services to the anti-military filth that the hosts of the shows on Air America spew anyway?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3380046

You obviously have never listened to Randi Rhodes. She, like me, is a veteran. She served in the Air Force. She is a staunch defender of servicemembers and their families, no matter what your masters told you.

If you weren't a knuckle-dragging freeptard, you'd know that.

Hey, maybe before you open your yap and spew your own version of hate, maybe you should open your ears and actually listen to who is saying what, who is defending who. Bush is cutting veteran's benefits. Rush tell you that? Bush sent the Army to war without body armor. Rush tell you that?

No, you'd rather drink the Bush Kool Aid and believe the lies Limbaugh spews rather than open your d*mn eyes and realize you've been conned.

Oh, and Google is our friend at Democratic Underground.

Dumbass. ---------------------------------------------------------

Subject: What Planet Are You From?

Sir: I am not sure from where your delusions stem, but let's clear up a couple of things: Air America is not 'hate speech;' it's free speech, and small balance to the right-wing venom polluting the airwaves. NPR is highly-censored, 'right-wing lite' news. Rush Limbaugh really truly honestly IS a big fat idiot (and a liar to boot). Also, you may want to get your facts straight, if you want to consider yourself in any way a 'journalist.' There is NO 'form letter' on the Democratic Underground, demanding equal time for Air America on AFN, or on any other issue. Here at Democratic Underground, we pride ourselves on being sufficiently intelligent to write our own letters, in our own words, expressing our own thoughts. In other words, we are not merely 'dittoheads.' I am sorry to hear that you consider Air America's programming to be 'anti-military filth.' You must have a pretty loose standard for what you consider to be anti-military. You must surely despise the Bush administration's cutting of funding for VA hospitals; talk about anti-military filth! And from a deserter to boot. What a black mark in American history to have a Commander in Thief who ran from duty like George W. Bush did (not to mention Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld). Your writing sounds eerily like the hate-filled rants of Rush himself. Or are you simply another paid shill for the Bush administration, like 'journalist' James Guckert/Jeff Gannon? One last thought: if you really value the freedoms of our Constitution, you might want to take a look at the way Bush has violated his oath of office in his attempts to dismantle the First Amendment.

Sincerely Yours, Minnesota Grandmother for Truth ---------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Might Wanna Look John

Your names all over the bloghs John ... Damn!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3380046&mesg_id=3380046

FIGHT WAR, NOT WARS! KILL POWER, NOT PEOPLE!

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Subject: Fatboy Limbaugh

hey, I read your little rant about the Fat, Draft Dodging, Drug Addicted, Wife Trashing Limbaugh and would like to comment.

If a US serviceman wants to change the channel what does he change it to ?

Also, your pic should be changed. I noticed you are out of uniform. I believe being overweight is out of uniform, unless the weight is all concentrated in your necks.

I would also suggest you stop being so political. When I served honorably in the USMC, unlike your draft dodging, alcoholic Commander In Chief, I was told not to be political.

So, get a life. _________________________________________________________

So this is the respone from the "Freedom of Speech" crowd when you dare speak about their beloved little SCARE America. They have been assaulting my AFN e-mail account with this crap since yesterday. I gave NO indication that I worked for AFN, in fact I wrote the letter from my computer in my barracks room. It would also appear that I'm the target of my own thread in DUmmie land. Any advice or ideas for how I should handle this would be greatly appreciated. I need the power of the FReepers to help me on this. Thanks guys.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:45 PM
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121. Wow. Where can I get one of those half dozen form letters?
All those e-mails he got, and each one different! I musta missed it the day they were passing out form letters to reply to freepers here.:eyes:
Oh, wait... :think: Is it possible the poor little freepers can't put two words together without a form letter to help them out?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #24
151. Part of the "Scamdy" crowd that helped kill Andy Stephenson?
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:10 PM by struggle4progress
Internet Martyr
The life and cruel death of Andy Stephenson.
By Knute Berger
http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0529/050720_news_mossback.php

The "Scamdy" people tried to interfere with the fundraising to help Andy, and after he died continued to mock him ...
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:16 AM
Response to Reply #24
163. Anyone else find it ironic...
that he's stationed at "Camp Casey?"
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:02 PM
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25. haha! This actually did make me laugh out loud
What a stupid, stupid asshole.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:04 PM
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26. So how did this little worm get your identity?
That is the scary part.

Thankfully I am self-employed, I'd have to fire myself, but I bet there are alot of people who would not want their political forum life as public info. Egads.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. I use my real identity occasionally on DU and signed my name...
...to the post he referenced-- I presume it was in one of those threads where folks occasionally give their names and stand behind their views. But I've never made my identity a secret here-- many folks know who I am and where I work, even if only in general terms. My DU moniker is my real name.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:04 PM
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27. as Mike would say: watch your back.
seriously, the fact that you are at a liberal arts school will not insulate you when they go after the institution.

I thought the University of Wisconsin was a pretty liberal place, but there has been a lot of pressure from repub legislators and defunding of state support.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:05 PM
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30. Apparently, John S. Wollaston goes by the alias "txradioguy" over at
'conservative underground'. I won't post a link to that shit hole, but you can find it in the search results from Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22John+S.+Wollaston%22&btnG=Google+Search

I'm going to look to see what other crap he's been peddling over there.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Oh THAT asshole.
Yep, familiar with the crap he peddles.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #31
130. Trying to screw with a person's livelyhood is a unamerican as it gets.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:34 AM
Response to Reply #130
165. They do it all the time. Look at all those little dysfunctional suck ups
at work. They stop at nothing to suck up, even if they have to make shit up!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. LOL-- NOW I know who he is....
:rofl:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. This guy claims to have worked for CLEAR CHANNEL!!!
Check this out:
txradioguy
04-11-2005, 09:09 AM
I apologize for the length of the first three that will appear. They were descriptive and in depth to give the readers back at Ft. Riley a feel for what our situation was.

A little background. I was assigned to the 3rd Brigade 1st Armored Division from Ft. Riley, Kansas for their rotation to Iraq in support of OIF. I was the Public Affairs Officer for the brigade for the year. A year I won't soon forget. I've been in the military off and on since 1992 including a stint in the Tx. Army National Guard. I quit a job as a Program Director for Clear Channel in Midland, Texas to go back active duty. I'd been back active less than 3 months when I deployed.

Now for the legal stuff. This was first printed in the Ft. Riley Post Newspaper in May 2003. It has been cleared by the commander 3BCT, Baghdad, Iraq for release.


Bulldog Bites #2


Spc. John S. Wollaston
Staff Writer

(bold is mine)
Here is the link to that source (sorry mods, I know this is a no-no, but under these circumstances, please forgive :-) )
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #30
123. I knew it was one of them
They are always doing crap like that, trying to get people in trouble.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:10 PM
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34. beautiful writing, mike_c

Wollaston needs to get a life. Seriously.

Maybe combat addled his brain, but if he really IS a corporal, he knows he swore under oath to defend the Constitution defending your right to say what you wish about our military.

A true patriot knows that.

Only a jack-booted thug, a mentally ill person, or a Republican ( but I repeat myself) would write such trash to your employer.

Suck an egg, Corporal, when you're finished sucking Bush's ....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. eh aí amorzinha!
:hi: :hug:




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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
53. Muitos beijos para tu
Meu amigo para sempre :pals:

Vou estar incommunicado para um poco tempo, mas vou PM quando estabelecendo.

:hi: :hug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. tá bom
beijos e abraços :* :hug:


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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
145. The Corpulent Corporal..
"Wollaston needs to get a life. Seriously.

Maybe combat addled his brain, but if he really IS a corporal, he knows he swore under oath to defend the Constitution defending your right to say what you wish about our military.

A true patriot knows that.

Only a jack-booted thug, a mentally ill person, or a Republican ( but I repeat myself) would write such trash to your employer.

Suck an egg, Corporal, when you're finished sucking Bush's ...."

The only combat that asshole has seen was a fight at the donut counter. His pics have been at FR, he is a porky bastid, and his combat zone is a DJ booth in DC.


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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #145
250. This Lard Ass Shit Licker Is A PIG! Take A Look At A Real Soldier!
I too have seen Woolhead's fat ass on FR what an ugly nothing. Hey LOSER here is a REAL HERO with MEDALS and a beautiful woman by his side.





He thinks some "anti-American" (according to your narrow stupid definition you fucking freak) things too, why don't you call his boss? His name is Mike Hagee! Hahahahahahahaha!!!
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 PM
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37. You are very lucky
...that you have a supportive and reasonable employer.

Others of us haven't been so lucky. I've seen people here who've lost their jobs for posting their opinions on the DU in their private time (not during work).

I've been stalked by freepers and have had all my personal information and home address posted on the freerepublic.com. I've had freepers harrass my clients to try to destroy my livelihood.

I've even had similar treatment from folks supposedly on "our" side for questioning serious factual errors and logic problems.

I am afraid critical thinking will go the way of the dinosaur while we're pushed to go along with peer pressure or plain old marketing.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #37
176. This is why I changed my name to something no one would know me by.
I'm not particularly outspoken here, but people have too much time on their hands.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 PM
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38. He's a measly corporal??
Boy they sure don't reward ya much for being a scabby stooge.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #38
117. LOL. Scabby little stooge......
..:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 PM
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39. CPL = Commie Pinko Lizard
Commie Pinko Lizard John S. Wollaston masturbates to photos of Joseph Stalin.


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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:12 PM
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40. Sue the motherfucker
That'll get his attention...
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
126. That's what I would do!
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:13 PM
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42. CPL JW
is probably on the phone with David Horowitz at this moment. How dare you exercise your 1st amendment rights that sort of freedom is downright unamerican.

eh?

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:15 PM
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43. "The fact that he is able to spew such small minded babble" Ah yes.
As usual, the very fact that you have freedom of speech is apparently thanks to the nasty little brownshirt who is right now busy trying to silence you. It would seem, to this clown, that Freedom of speech, and the First Amendment, are apparently only as good as one right-winger's dictum to shut your librul piehole when he doesn't like what you're saying.

Sorry, Mr. Wollaston. I hate to break it to you, but Freedom of Speech is ONLY as good as the right of people to dissent. To criticize. To offend, even. That's what it's FOR. When you try to silence people, you DISRESPECT everything those soldiers you claim to represent have died for in the past 230 years.

All these are facts, to use his own language, that -no doubt- fly completely over HIS clearly clueless head. Fucker should read the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA again.

...Just out of curiosity, I wonder if his CO knows what a little budding anti-American fascist he has serving under him?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:17 PM
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44. Contact the Base Commander Immediately
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 03:17 PM by symbolman
and turn this guy in. what he's doing is unauthorized and dangerous and against regulations. HE, as much as he thinks YOU are, is violating LAWS or Military regulations, and HIS BOSS will "fire" him as well..

He's going to shit bricks when the BOSS of the base says, "hey bud, how'd you like an Article 15, lose some cash and maybe a stripe or two?"

Seriously, he's not supposed to be engaged in this fashion, and how ironic it would be for it to turn around and bite him in the ass :)

I know, I was in the USAF in 1971, was a purchasing agent and knew ALL the regulations, so much so that I could tell people of any rank to kiss my ass when I knew I was covered.

Please alert his Commander, the boy needs a lesson, and I'd like to hear what the Commander says - we are a nation of LAWS after all, eh? :)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. thanks for the advice-- I think I'll take it....
No real harm done, but dammit there is an important principle involved-- one that Cpl. Wollaston seems to have missed in civics class.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #51
75. Please let us know what happens
even if you have to start a new thread and remind us.. I know for a fact that Commanders are also required to act.

I ran over a fence in England and almost got shot, drove off to save my friends and I, and within days I was hauled in front of the Base commander and told I would help rebuilt that fence "in the interest of Ango-American relations" -- I showed up at the man's house (who had come out with a shotgun, while we were LOST on a cowpath) with a ball peen hammer, and told him I was there to help rebuild his fence. :)

We became good friends after that.

I doubt this guy will be your friend, but he will think twice about hassling ANYONE after that..

Let us know!
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #51
182. I bet he used an Army computer to send those harrassing emails....
If so, he could be in trouble. I suspect the Army would frown upon the fact that their equipment is being used in this fashion.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
225. There's no harm done to you...
but who else has he informed on? Others may not have an employer who will think his actions are bullshit, or let the employee know who this informant is. You'd be doing a service for others - not just yourself. This behavior desperately needs to be corrected.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #225
247. "Informed on?" You make it sound as if Mike has done something wrong.
This is the way those fascists view it. Don't play into their game, it only encourages them.

Call it what it is: harrassment.

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #247
248. Sorry... I didn't intend for it to sound as if Mike did something wrong.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 05:49 PM by Blue Belle
I don't think anyone else who read my post interpreted it that way either. I am in no way "playing into" fascist hands - I'm encouraging Mike to fight against these fuckers. Please extend my apologies to the rest of the grammar/thesaurus police.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. I second that motion. This is the kind of behavior one would expect
of facist. If Wolliston is writing in such a way to use his OFFICIAL position to intimidate anyone, he should face a court martial! If he wants to spew in freeperland, more power to him. Hovever, this crosses the line. Some folks may not have such understanding employers as you do. This kind of skulldugery needs to be firmly terminated. Please keep us posted as to the results of your complaint!
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #57
97. In today's Army though, they might let it slide. They've lowered their
standards to keep numbers up, so I don't think they'll be firing this guy, despite is gutter status, anytime soon.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #97
188. It should be challenged. The Army might let it slide, but we shouldn't.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #44
84. I'd have a Congressman contact the base commander!
That sleazy rat-bastard needs to be INFORMED that his job in the military is to PROTECT AND DEFEND the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights that protects Freedom of Speec ... particularly politcal speech!!

Can you say "Conduct Unbecoming"?? Yep. This is, imho, a courts martial offense.

This slimey toad is attacking a citizen's EMPLOYMENT for exercising political speech! It's McCarthyism ... but McCarthy wasn't in uniform!!!



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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #44
132. Interesting! I know nothing about military regs.
What is he doing that he's not allowed to? I hope that fascist chickenshit gets what's coming to him.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Well for one, you really aren't supposed to have a political
opinion, at least not to outsiders, and in some cases while INSIDE the military. It's why Bush can ride roughshod over military audiences and uses them most frequently. They cannot diss the CIC, but they don't OWN their political persuasions, the proof being that he created a problem for this Man in the first place shows it's political.

And you certainly can't tell any civilian what to think.

The military literally OWN your body and mind, YOU are govt property USDA Govt inspected meat.

We had a touch football game once and it got rowdy, a few of us got injured in good fun, no one was mad, BUT the Sgt told us that we could all be held liable for DAMAGING Govt property, our bodies and get busted in Rank, fined, etc.

This fellow would probably get an article 15, which isn't good for your record (I had one), you lose some of your pay, a stripe or more, and are held back for advancement. Doubtful he'd go to jail or anything like that.

He's disrespecting the uniform by adding HIS opinon. You are to shut up and conform. There is a specific reg (been 30 years) that says you cannot express your view politically even when NOT in uniform.

Usually anything that gets reported to the Commander is something he doesn't appreciate, the troops are to conform, and this is NOT comforming.

Best thing to do, kid needs to learn some respoct and tolerance, if they are in that room then they DID something and the commander WILL find some reg to justify this guy wasting his time.

It's cool, it will be fine, you're doing him a favor really.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:31 AM
Response to Reply #133
164. No, we have First Amendment rights....
...at least us enlisted pukes do. We're just not supposed to express it in such a way as to make it seem like we're speaking for the military. Also, we can't use "contemptuous words" against the President, Secretary of Defense, or any elected official. We can state our position on XYZ policy, but we can't say, "Bush sucks". It's a fine line, but I've learned to tread it over the years.

(USAF, 2000 - Present. Regs have apparently changed over the years.)

But what he's doing is wrong. He's doing exactly what we're not supposed to: using his position to make it seem like he speaks for the Army. That's just wrong. Although from what others have said, he seems to work for Public Affairs. So maybe he *is* speaking for the Army.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
45. Congrats on the recognition!
I did a google search on my username not long ago and was also accused of being anti-American...

In response to George Galloway testifying before the Senate last year, somebody here had posted something like "we should offer him honorary American citizenship"

and my anti-American response was "would he even want it?"

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:21 PM
Response to Original message
47. Dear Ward, (kidding)
I don't know how many tenured professors have been accused of being "Ward Churchills" over the last two years. In the fascist mindset, those practicing free speech = "Ward Churchill."

Makes me wonder about another Churchill - Winston Churchill - who dealt with the same blanket character assasination by isolationists in England preceding their involvement in WW2.

What do you teach?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
55. entomology and ecology-- nothing overtly political....
Wollaston's comments were strictly about my posts on DU (and presumably a couple of other liberal sites where I post infrequently, but use the same name-- it's the only one I have, LOL).
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
62. You know, the fact that this individual would take the time...
to unearth you demonstrates hysteria on this person's part. "How dare he!" would summarize this person's motto. These are opinions posted online in your spare time outside of the classroom. I'm sure you don't, while teaching ecology, discuss population migration, then add, "... just like that Nazi Bush swarmed his troops into Iraq!"

How silly. :eyes:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Is this you?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. yep-- I'm not hard to find...
That page is a bit out of date though, LOL.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #68
92. cool -
my son just moved up there to attend your university...think you might know him? :) jk
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #92
98. if he's new, I probably don't, but if he's a biology major...
...I'll probably meet him sooner or later. Tell him I'm the guy with all the antiwar stuff in the windows on the fourth floor west corner of Science A. My views about the war are not going to be much of a surprise to anyone here, LOL.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:21 PM
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48. How did he figure out who you were?
This happened to me once before because I was an idiot and posted a little too much personal information. I ended up getting fired for it because the freep claimed I was making bomb threats. Funny thing was they had a copy of my post, and nowhere was there any threats, but that didn't make much difference. It actually backfired on the freep because I ended up getting a job with a good company and tripled my income. I really owe that freeper a huge thank you, the moran changed my life.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:26 PM
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56. see # 33-- I don't make any effort to conceal my identity....
My name is Michael Camann. I sign my name to my opinions.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:38 PM
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66. I see.. well please don't take the "idiot" comment personally
I wish I was in a place where I didn't have to remain anonymous most of the time.... :toast:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:41 PM
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70. no worries!
:hug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:21 PM
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:23 PM
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52. You should remind him of a few things
-There's a good chance Stalin was poisoned by his own guard http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2793501.stm
-Hitler killed himself rather than face surrender
-Mussollini was shot and hanged upside down in the public square by his own people
-McCarthy was bitch slapped in public by members of his own clique and quietly faded away

The moral being- historically, in the end, freedom will out over fascism time after time.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:24 PM
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54. Those people wish they could be Brownshirts so damn bad.
It's just pathetic. Such a sad little group of people.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:32 PM
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59. This same guy worked for Clear Channel - go figure. Makes sense to me.
See my post #36

Works a Program Director for Clear Channel
Works as Public Affairs Officer for Army

Insert Jeff Gannon joke -->here<--


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:34 PM
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60. Maybe he works for TALON and/or MIGs as during MLK jr days
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 03:37 PM by EVDebs
and is a shill for 'psyops' as CNN allowed in days of yore. Keep asking about HIS activities...

CNN and PsyOps
http://www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html

and 9-11 Press for truth
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

This kind of military background, and access to the special programs for eavesdropping etc that the Bush administration is pushing ahead with now, makes me wonder if he has put you onto someone's political enemies list (and targetted you for harassment)
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:35 PM
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61. how did he know where you worked and what your real name was?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:38 PM
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65. I don't hide my real name on DU-- numerous people know it...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 03:41 PM by mike_c
...and I've posted it in this thread. Like I said, I sign my name to my opinions. Since I work for a public institution I'm sure that finding my employer was a matter of a simple Google search, then a visit to the university's web site. Try it-- bet you can find me in fewer than five clicks.

on edit: see #63
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:29 PM
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140. that explains it. I'm glad his childish letter didn't get you in trouble
at work.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:38 PM
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64. I hope you get nominated as "teacher of the year."
:toast:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:41 PM
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69. yes I hope so too
are you a union member. My Labor union saved me from extinction!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:42 PM
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71. dues paying CFA member....
Wouldn't have it any other way!
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:40 PM
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67. ...This is why I don't plan on revealing my identity
I've revealed some background information of myself on this site, but nothing beyond what region I live in or how old I am. I'd rather not have some far-right stalker chase after me, thank you very much!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:45 PM
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72. I understand that, but it just grates me the wrong way...
...to post my opinions from behind a wall of anonymity-- and to be frank, I don't really have much to fear from the Cpl. Wollastons of the world. Tenure still means something here.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:45 PM
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73. Going all McCarthy on you, eh? Nostalgic for HUAC? Whatta Nazi troll!
Glad to see you have an employer who doesn't abide demented anklebiters.

We are overrun with desperate freaks these days it seems.

Tell him to go back to hiding under his bed.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:59 PM
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81. Nazi is right
Idiot rightwingers in NC think that Fascism is left wing.



Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

Sounds rightwing to me.




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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:46 PM
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76. What a crybaby snitch. n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:49 PM
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77. aw, you know you love it
most exciting thing to happen to you in ages I'd imagine. :)

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:53 PM
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79. aw shucks....
:blush:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:51 PM
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78. Oh, I should have known.
Turns out dude is part of the small, dedicated cadre I like to call the "DU Stalkerazzi". Sort of like people who fixate on minor (really minor. This is a message board, for fuck's sake!) celebrities- camping out in the dumpster behind Fred Willard's apartment, that sort of thing.



(No offense intended, Fred. You da man. "Hey! Wha' Happen?")

Despite his anti-American attempt to stifle your First Amendment rights, I actually feel kind of bad for the guy. While far be it for me to criticize anyone's hobbies, I really think those folks should find a healthier obsession- maybe sports trivia, or Star Trek, something like that.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:57 PM
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80. The whack jobs at freeperville don't have a clue what freedom
or free speech is even about! :eyes:

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:00 PM
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82. Merit badge for you! Pissed off a Nazi wannabe.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:11 PM
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85. I'm surprised you haven't heard from David Horowitz yet
Keep up the good work! Teachers need to combat the crap that passes for thought in 21st century America.

Bless you.

Nikki
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:12 PM
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86. You're "running around the internet" ? How do you fit into the tubes?
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:14 PM
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88. He's very very skinny
:)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:17 PM
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91. alas, no-- see #63....
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 04:19 PM by mike_c
:rofl:

Although I do think "morbidly obese douche bag" is a little over the top (quoted from the discussion thread about this thread on the site that shall not be named). I'm just big-boned....
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:14 PM
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106. Them intenet tubes are one size fits all
:)
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:01 PM
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102. LOL - BEST DAMN LAUGH I'VE HAD ALL DAY.....
and while I'm at it....

Power to the People - we're with you Prof MC!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:16 PM
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108. Yeah Prof MC!
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:14 PM
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87. TX Radio Guy has some nerve to call you radical...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 05:11 PM by The Night Owl
TX Radio Guy has some nerve to call you radical when his boss at the website he moderates posted that he considers Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, David Koresh, and Sirhan Sirhan to be heroes and patriots. PM if you need a link to that post.

To TRG I would say...

Get your house in order before you start criticizing ours. Weenie.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:35 PM
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96. holy crap! Yeah, I wonder what his commander would think about that?
I mean blowing up a federal bldg?!?! This is the group he hangs with????
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:16 PM
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227. Sounds like one of the neo-nazi's whose infiltrated the armed forces
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:15 PM
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89. update-- the trolls are starting to send more emails to my boss...
...who then forwards them on to me. I sent him the link to the discussion on the forum which shall not be named-- they're all cackling and patting themselves on the back over there. Thankfully they're wasting their breath, but I'm sorry that they're also wasting my chairman's time. What a bunch of losers.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:25 PM
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94. LOLOL!
I visited you at your university website... that color looks good on you. ;)

From what I have learned by reading about the university, its mission, and the quality of the students and faculty, the inbred freeptards are truly wasting their time. :D


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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:08 PM
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103. I know that guy on the left!
It cracks me up every time you post it. He's no freeptard, though, just a high tech redneck with a sense of humor.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:19 PM
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111. Either he or his friend to the left, or the photographer who
posted it on freeptardville claimed they were freeptards at a freeptard rally/BBQ. It was in a freeptard thread that had a bunch of photos of the freeptard event.

Anyway, I'm glad he has a sense of humor. I've been the butt of jokes before, but just take it in stride. :D



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #94
105. I would like a picture of "mouthbreather" and I bet I already
know what he looks like. LOL
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:20 PM
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112. 'she'
:D



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #112
122. I want the he man version. You were close though Swampie.
But no cigar. She cracks me up! Poor stupid thing. :rofl:
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:15 PM
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107. Wouldn't that be considered harrassment in the legal sense? nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #89
178. Hm. THAT makes it a whole different picture.
They admit they're sending it to other people, too.

Probably mad as hell their initial snitching did NOT get you fired. They're probably working up all the hierarchy chain until they find a RW fanatic. If I were you I'd talk to a lawyer. (You know, that profession they want to extinguish)

I have screenshots of the messages where they admit that, if you'd like it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:17 PM
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90. Oh, good. Will you be blacklisted now as being a Communist?
Paging Sen. McCarthy! Come in, Sen. McCarthy!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:20 PM
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93. communist professors are SO twentieth century....
I'm a terra-ist.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:20 PM
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113. LOl...
I'll have to inform my daughter that things have changed since her days in Arcata!


She's gonna be so proud of you and her alma mater. She's a teacher too.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:33 PM
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95. Classic example of how people such as that have no real lives
Who here has the time to waste attempting to cause posters on FR problems at their employment? I know I don't, nor do I delude myself into thinking anyone would take such an attempt seriously if I did.

Some day the real world is going to come crashing in on some of these people and it won't be a pretty thing to witness.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:40 PM
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99. What a stupid fucking Gestapo!
Good little NAZI he. Have you experienced any fall-out from practicing your right to free speech from your employer or does your last paragraph sum the conclusion of this rat bastard's attempted instigation of a problem continue?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:51 PM
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101. no worries-- apparently some of the other mouthbreathers...
...over there are also sending emails to my chairman-- they posted his email address on their echo chamber forum-- so he's probably getting annoyed at them now, too. But no, there won't be any fallout for me-- I mean, not only am I tenured, but the university respects free speech. It's just an annoyance and a waste of time for all concerned, HOWEVER this little denounce your neighbor tactic could very well harm others, and as some have pointed out in this thread, it already has.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:10 PM
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104. LOL
:)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:18 PM
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109. We have heard of CPL Wollaston before
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 05:28 PM by Jack Rabbit
I remember a thread about him on DU in which he was speaking out of both sides of his mouth at once on the issue of programming on Armed Forces Radio in Iraq. Out of one end he said that military personnel should not be subjected to the "anti-military" (I don't recall him saying anti-American) rants of Air America radio; out of the other, it was perfectly all right for the network to broadcast Rush Limbaugh, because anybody who didn't like it could exercise their wonderful freedom by turning him off.

He at least should have supported the right of others to turn off Air America braodcasts on AFR, but no, he wanted to turn it off for them.

A further note, Professor Camann: I think it is ludicrous to compare you to Ward Churchill. I have seen nothing you have posted here that is out of line, while Professor Churchill's blame-the-victim rants on the September 11 attacks were beyond the pale. However, I support Professor Churchill's right to express his wrongheaded point of view, just as support CPL Wollaston's right to put out his absurd drivel.

And I have the right to say that both Professor Churchill and CPL Wollaston are out of their fucking minds.

I, too, have called the invasion of Iraq illegal, but that is quite different from calling every private soldier stationed ion Iraq a war criminal. I have called those in authority who planned the invasion and propagated the willful lies that justified it war ciminals and stated that they should be prosecuted; last time I checked, CPL Wollaston wasn't one of them.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:19 PM
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110. Somebody should tell this loser about the First Amendment.
He apparently hasn't heard of it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:22 PM
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114. few posters here at DU have the protection prof's have
we are constantly reminded by friends and family that what we say here will most likely impact our employment sooner or later.

this guy's communication with your employer didn't have the effect he desired on you -- but i would bet money that there are DU'ers who have lost gigs in the past or will lose them in the future b/c of this sort of guerilla tactic.

i'm just sayin' -- these guys fight dirty and "business" as a whole could give a flying fuck about anyone's so-called "freedoms."
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:22 PM
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115. Run of the mill Nazi wannabe.....fuck'em...keep up the good work !!!!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:27 PM
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116. jeez-- what a
doofus! How much Kool-aid has that guy quaffed?



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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:30 PM
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118. I wish that the punk worked for me while I was still in
I'd fix his snitching ass
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:30 PM
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119. what was the response of your employer?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:46 AM
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158. bemusement, for the most part....
No worries on that front, thankfully.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:50 AM
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179. RIGH WING FANATICS FROM THE SPHINCTER -- READ THE ABOVE AND WEEP
And then go fuck yourselves with a pineapple. Sideways.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:43 PM
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120. He's just doing what Horowitz told him to do....
What IS it with freepers trying to get people FIRED or in trouble with their jobs?!? This isn't the first instance I've heard of this with them.

That's *really* disturbing behavior. I can't begin to describe just HOW disturbing that is.

You disagree with someone's politics, fine....this is still America, and for the moment you can still do that; but when you start messing with how people make their living, how they support their families.....

*shaking head* I just don't get it. That kind of evil is beyond my comprehension.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:50 PM
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124. As a Vietnam veteran I'm appalled there are people like Mr. Wollaston!
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:52 PM
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125. Can I get denounced too?
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:54 PM
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127. How would he like someone to do that to him?
Seems to me he was trying to get you fired, which is pretty crazy. You need serious help if you are that obsessed with ideology and can't accept someone's opinions. To this idiot: Get a life and a some serious mental help.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:58 PM
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128. How do you "run around the internet"?
Have you been messin' around in those internet tubes?

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:00 PM
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129. You Stick to Your Guns, My Brotha!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:07 PM
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131. Amazing. And the RW whining cowards wonder why we hate their guts
I guess that whining corporal is one of the 23% susceptible to a fascist government.

If these people only knew that our country would be destroyed if they were to get their way.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:29 PM
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134. This is apparently his Freeper handle
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 06:31 PM by Fuzz
txradioguy

And a link to his posts:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=96251

And the link to where he admits sending the letter:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1699543/posts

Hi everyone.

I guess my little letter to Mike_C's department chair has shaken up the hive.

15 posted on 09/11/2006 6:48:26 PM EDT by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Eng. K.I.A. 25 April 2005)

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:37 PM
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136. Sadly, there is a reaon people use aliases here
and I understand it.

A friend of mine once had to request Google purge a huge number of posts he had made to Usenet. Why? Because they mentioned his employer. Not in a negative way--they just mentioned his employer, period. Someone who did not like him and wanted to make trouble in his life reported them to his boss, apparently. Somehow, someway--he doesn't know how.

The posts were not even political. They had to do with a sport. He suspects his boss was tipped off by a very nasty person who happened to support a team that was a rival of his favorite team. And for that, this person contacted his boss and told him about the posts my friend had made in which he mentioned his employer, apropos of nothing. My friend had to search for all of them and ask Google to purge them for him. It took him many, many hours.

Ideally, we'd all like to be able to stand behind our opinions with our own names. But some really evil people have rendered that impossible.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:33 PM
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135. The guy had no business putting his military title on his email to
your dept. chair. Fair to register complaint to his command that he's abusing his military position by attaching his military rank to his antidemocratic activities as a private citizen.

Did he have a valid email return address on what he sent to the dept. chairman?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:54 PM
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138. the "CPL" seems unaware of the value of free speech
I see that as a lot in soldiers and it offends me as an American and as a veteran
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:22 PM
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139. Sounds like Cpl Wollaston needs to put down Mein Kampf and turn off Rush
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:30 PM
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141. Thanks for standing on principle. Give me some more of that!
From another person with a for-real screen name.

:thumbsup:

:kick:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:33 PM
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142. stay strong, mike c!
and i'm happy you have an employer understanding of the First Amendment....most of us here use aliases because other employers are a lot less friendly to (liberal) free speech rights
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:40 PM
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143. I would contact the ACLU
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:40 PM
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144. the sort of person who would have ratted out his neighbor to the Gestapo
some years back. or to the NKVD. or the HUAC...

and only when it is THEM being woken up by their door being kicked in during the wee hours of the morning by the State will such a person realise what they have wrought.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 08:53 PM
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146. Let's see ...
You're exercising your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Free Speech and he's trying to suppress that right. Which one is anti-American? :eyes:
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:36 PM
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147. You really SHOULD report him to the military
You have the thread admitting he wrote the letter, his name and everything you need. He TRIED to get you fired, or in trouble at work. The least you can do is do the same for him. He DESERVES it. Fact is, he WANTED to cause you grief, not knowing that your place of employment has not yet been taken over by the RW.

You're lucky that it doesn't affect you or your job, but who knows who else he (and or his pals at Freeperville)might try it on. Sadly, this world is so fucked up these days that it might be effective with someone else. It would be funny if those people weren't so twisted.

If he's in the military, I think he can really get in trouble, and perhaps learn a thing or two about what he's supposed to be protecting, as well.

His continuing to post about it over there will only encourage those idiots. We wouldn't want it to become a trend....for the few over there who are smart enough to use Google, anyway.

K & R - it's always interesting to see what goes on in the "minds" of the "backwash!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:49 PM
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148. So what do yer bosses think of this nonsense?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #148
161. no worries on that front....
It's a university-- one of the bastions of liberalism in America, in one of the most liberal towns in America, and I have tenure in any event. I'm not particularly worried-- my chairman is mostly bemused by the sudden influx of hate mail. I gave him a the link to the feeding frenzy on the forum that shall not be mentioned-- reading over there made him want a shower pretty quickly. I gather they're still showing their best side there, LOL.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #161
185. Just curious if anybody's offered to set up
your chair with a mail filter rule to scan for any messages containing your name and links to this web site, mentions of this web site, FR, etc. It'd probably weed his/her inbox and get rid of crap like this.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:44 AM
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186. *lol* You realize though, reading these posts will only feed their desire
to kill off tenure for teachers. (Among many other things, of course.)
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:02 PM
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149. Your reasoned words of dissent are far more patriotic ...
than the ramblings of Wollaston, who wraps himself in the flag and pretends to take the high road while acting like a little Nazi snitch.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:03 PM
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150. Great! I love your style and your commitment...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:05 PM by GreenTea
as well as the philosophy and ideology of teaching one to think for themselves...I grew up in an extremely liberal area, strong unions and progressive town... I was lucky enough (and wild I suppose) that my parents allowed me that freedom (and trust in my intellect) I think most need...with reassuring guidance...I certainly did and I teach it to my kids and encourage my friends as parents to love and take the time and patience each day to do the same...because it's so fucking wonderful to watch, when you see how they are appreciating & reaping the outcome...without even knowing why, yet (as I didn't)...but now, my smile tells all.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:09 PM
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152. Fellow prof here
Sean Hannity has been asking his listeners to document and report un-American activities by professors.

Poor Sean couldn't hack college, and this is his revenge. (And Limbaugh failed public speaking twice...)

Most of the people who follow these anti-intellectual demagogues are listening to them during work hours...which leads me to believe their work doesn't require their critical thinking skills to be engaged at all.

Newsprism
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #152
153. "Everything our parents told us was good for us was wrong...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:34 PM by GreenTea
milk, red meat, college" -Woody Allen (Annie Hall) at his most cynical best.

"I don't smoke....It's tobacco, it's the healthiest thing for your body...(after a few long drags) "I bought Polaroid at six, it must be worth millions by now." - Woody Allen (Sleeper) waking up in a fascist regime in the future after a hundred years.

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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:44 PM
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154. Much like toddlers who are just beginning to walk, E-4s and O-1s.....
...are the subset of the military that believes they know everything.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:45 PM
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155. Are you surprised? NT
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #155
232. yes.... We ALL are....
Aren't you?

Free Speech is alive and well last time I checked.You don't have to agree with anything I or anybody else says.NOBODY has the right to try to intimadate or otherwise damage a person based on his or her opinion!What don't you GET about that!??

If you don't see what is so very profoundly WRONG with what this person has done to mike-c then I don't see what you have in commomn with most Democrats sweetheart I truly Don't.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #232
234. You completely miss the poster's point.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 02:20 PM by Shakespeare
Of COURSE he (or she) realizes what's wrong with the person's actions; but "not surprised" because this is de rigueur behavior for those on the right.

Good lord. Calm down.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:41 AM
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238. Ha! Pardon me?
Your condescending attitude is veeeery much not appreciated.The person I was speaking to hasn't bothered to clarify her statement,which could be taken either way...and from what I've seen of her posting history your assumption of what she meant is niave at best.You're way out of line telling anyone to calm down -

In the future I would suggest you keep your nasty attitude to yourself,atleast until you know for sure what it is you're railing against.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:17 AM
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239. I don't have a "nasty attitude".....
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 11:18 AM by Shakespeare
....but I can get one in a hurry. Ergo, I don't give a shit if you don't appreciate my reply. Yes, it IS obvious what the other poster means, and a brief "not surprised" in NO way indicates that the poster thinks it's OK. What it does indicate is the kind of tired resignation most of us here feel who've dealt with these mouthbreathers for the last six years.

Again, your initial off-base response completely misses the point. If you really, really need clarification on that throwaway comment from the other poster, you should send them a PM and inquire specifically.

One last tip--you're on a public message board, so don't act so outraged when you get your feathers ruffled. You post, people are going to respond, and not always in the way you would prefer. I'm completely within the DU rules with both of my responses to you.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #239
242. Uh,YES, you do.
You seem a waaaay too angry and way too much on my case for a comment that wasn't even made to you...Again you are WAY outta line telling me to calm down.And yeah,your attitude is extremely condescending,THAT is what I don't appreciate...


"One last tip--you're on a public message board, so don't act so outraged when you get your feathers ruffled."

Exactly:Get the fuck off my case and mind your own bussiness.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:15 PM
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243. ROFL.....nope, but try looking in the mirror.
You came on with this hyper-disproportionate and WAY off base response to the other poster. You don't like that I pointed that out--fine. You don't want people responding to you in ways you may not like, then you might want to consider not posting on a public board.

:shakes head:
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:23 PM
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244. again....
You seem WAY WAY too over emotional and over involved over something that was none of your bussiness to begin with...


Like you said this is a public message board so "quit getting you feathers ruffled" - ESPECIALLY since it wasn't directed at you.

Don't harrass me any further with yur obnoxious uncalled for posts.Thanks,and have a nice day. :)
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:45 PM
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246. I'm not emotional. But I am very, very entertained by it right now.
I'm not harrassing you. But I am having great fun, and you just keep on supplying the laughs. You go on wit your bad self! :rofl:
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:01 PM
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156. Nothing makes me want to inculcate my students with my political
opinions more than stories like this. The more they accuse us of doing it, the more I want to say, okay, fuck you, I'll do it.

This little idiot stooge is a creep of the lowest order.
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gordontron Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:02 AM
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157. we stand with you nt
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:01 AM
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160. I was denounced here,
by being anti here, don't say anything too offensive, you might give something of substance deleted because of some very provoking, alienating & upsetting prose
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 04:26 AM
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162. didn't a WP reporter complain to employer of someone who sent her
an e-mail disagreeing with her article??? As I recall, there was quite a long discussion of this incident at MediaWhoresOnline (sure do miss that site).
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:52 AM
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166. I want to email that coward's captain.
Anyone have contact information?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #166
167. Yep.
Don't worry about it. ;-)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 06:33 AM
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168. I have no evidence that its motivated by my outspoken politics
but someone just tried to get me fired from my taxi job (oh no how would I ever be fulfilled if I couldn't be a cabbie anymore :eyes: ) by saying I apparently stopped to do a drug deal before taking them to their destination and then presumably announced that was my intention to my customer, I guess or how else would they have known I was allegedly selling drugs. The charge is completely baseless, of course, and I cleared it up with my boss but who fucks with a man's job like that?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #168
205. Gestapo tactics
Their goal is to silence us. Permanently.

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:43 AM
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171. This brings up another important point: All of us need to state
where we stand if we are going to beat back the Right. We cannot hide our values and beliefs and be timid in pointing out that the Right is wrong.

I know people have been fired for having anti-Bush bumperstickers and making other political statements. That is the very reason that those of us that can must stand firm and call out those who are trampling our rights.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:48 AM
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172. I wonder if this freedom hating turd is using an Army owned PC...
...to harrass U.S. citizens, or his own personal PC?

If he is harrassing you from an army computer on army time, well then I think he might be in a bit of hot water.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:58 AM
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174. Good for you keeping your sense of humor about this.
And some posters here have made good suggestions as to what you can do about this man.

He's so small-minded and vindictive, I wonder if he is mentally ill and would qualify for a Section 8? :evilgrin:
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #174
181. Because of low recruitment, the military had to lower its standards...
Cpt Wollaston is a case in point.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:59 AM
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175. Mike: Are you now, or have you ever been,
a member of the "democrat" party?

How long have you been engaged in un-American activities?

Why do you hate America?

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:57 AM
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180. UPDATE - THEY'RE MAKING ONLINE THREATS NOW. CALL THE POLICE.
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:57 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
"Nice long thread but his mike_c idiot's not worth it. It may be work problems, it may be someone hitting him in the head with a shovel, it could be any number of things but he'll eventually get what's coming his way. These small-minded loudmouths libs always do."

Screencapped for posterity, ça va sans dire. Available at anyone's request.

Of course he'll say that's not a threat, but... will the judge agree?

Holy crapola. You not getting in trouble REALLY sent them off the deep end.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #180
194. I'll be contacting Cpl Wollaston's base commander...
...probably tomorrow-- today is one of my busiest days of the week, and I simply won't have time until this evening at the earliest.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #194
196. Ooooo can you keep me updated? And by the way, got my email?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #196
198. I will-- did you send email to my university account...?
I don't see anything obvious, just some spam the filter didn't catch and stuff from known senders. I wonder whether my spam filter snagged it. Sorry about that-- maybe try PM'ing on DU instead.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. Will do, just in case. Check your PM inbox two minutes from now. -nt
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #194
201. Mike, you might also want to contact the FBI.
I believe that making threats of physical harm on the internets is a federal crime.

What a bunch of pussies these guys are--it's SO easy to hide behind the anonymity of a computer screen and say this bullshit. I bet they wouldn't be so bold face to face.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #180
224. That's horrible.
Please be careful mike_c.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:20 AM
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187. Our soldiers fought for your freedumb of speech, so shut the hell up lib!
is basically what the puketard is saying. It would be funny if it weren't so stupid.
Do these idiots even read the crap they write?
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:31 PM
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193. HA!! We've really go them running scared don't we?
You keep talkin' Mike.Let them show their true colors all they like;all it's doing is proving a point -this IS like the McCarthy era and IS WRONG in sooooo many ways.

I mean seriously folks it doesn't GET any more UNAmerican than this.These people doing this woulda made Hitler proud back in the Day!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #193
197. Hitler or Senator Joe....
Brownshirts and snitches.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #197
231. sheep
Like I said Mike,KEEP TALKIN' - practice that free speech loudly and often.This is afterall still America.

:kick:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:07 PM
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199. wonder if he is actually in the military
I sincerely doubt it
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #199
202. he is, actually-- here's a pic, gleaned from the "internets...."
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 01:19 PM by mike_c


Here he is "putting his ass on the line everyday," or so he says.

I have his base commander's address as well.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #202
203. looks like a tool
what's he doing in the US, anyway?

Lets ship his BushBot ass to Iraq so he can defend our freedoms
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #202
207. Oh, he's cute...
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 02:49 PM by B Calm
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:30 PM
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217. for a jarheaded neonazi....
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #217
222. He ain't no Jar-Head. He's in the Army........
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 09:04 PM by Kingshakabobo
No way the Marines would take him. If they did, that giant chin would be gone.

I must say, from the looks of that 40 pound chin, the Army is slacking off on the P.T these days. They must have relaxed the PT standards to keep fat-bodies in the Army.

I mean, I'm not about criticizing other peoples looks or weight but this guy has a lot of nerve commenting on someone else's looks. He has a face like a bucket of smashed asses.

He looks a little old to be a corporal. He has malingerer written all over that puss. The army must REALLY be scraping the bottom.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #222
235. He has a chin?
Seems to me like just another chinless wonder.

I hope he suffers the most poetic justice possible when his superiors find out what he's bene up to. F***ing little brownshirt coward.

I still retain anonymity here even though my current way of making a living would be basically unaffected by being revealed (to whom? I am self-employed) as a commiepinkohippie...just generally a good idea, I think. I don't know what's worse, really: subhuman scum like Goebbels Junior here who try their hand at this kind of crap or employers who listen to them and act on the information. This is one sick f***ing country.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:55 PM
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204. K&R!
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:32 PM
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206. Just what is it that makes people want to behave this way?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:51 PM
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208. They hate America and what it stands for!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:03 PM
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210. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:33 PM
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211. That is a petty, crappy
thing to do to anyone, regardless of politics!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:40 PM
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212. I guess they have a problem with personal freedom. Republicans =
Personal Responsibility and Corporate Freedom.

Democrats = Personal Freedom and Corporate Responsibility
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:45 PM
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214. How did he figure out who you are?
That's creepy.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:57 PM
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215. I don't make any effort to hide my identity...
...and I signed my real name to the statement he quoted. I'm not afraid to stand behind my beliefs.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:28 PM
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216. Good for you Mike!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:46 PM
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219. Mike,
I may disagree with you passionately on the subject of the Middle East, but kudos and well done to you for facing down these nuts.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:50 PM
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220. Glad this worked out for you
how did he know it was you on DU?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:57 PM
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223. I signed my real name to the offending post...
...and I don't make any effort to hide my identity here. I know some folks think it's foolish, but being clear about who I am and what I believe is important to me.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:14 PM
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226. I don't think its foolish
but I am often foolish myself (so what do I know?).

Peace and low stress
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:30 PM
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228. HAH!!! You've been "busted" by...Neidermeyer!!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 09:43 PM by KrazyKat
Remember, from "Animal House," the abusive ROTC character, Douglas C. Neidermeyer? Dean Wormer tells one of his minions to "Put Neidermeyer on it; He’s a sneaky little shit, just like you."

Thanks for being a bit of sand in the radical right-wing's Vaseline -- keep up the good work,
mike_c! :thumbsup: :patriot:

On edit: More importantly, thanks for working so selflessly to evoke such valuable critical thinking in your students, particularly in a time when it's so difficult to do so, what with all the predigested talking points echoing throughout the media.

Cheers -- :toast:
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:18 PM
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236. Didn't Niedermeyer get fragged(killed by his own troops) in Viet Nam?
IIRC, that's what the clip said at the end of the movie......that seems about right.
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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
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230. I don't agree with the dude at all......
but you don't spend too much class time talking politics, do you? My Biology professors never discussed their politics in class. One of them did briefly go into religion during the evolution issue, but then said she couldn't spend much time talking about it because she had to dedicate class to her lectures.

And aren't you in favor of the "resistance". If I was serving, I would be upset. I wouldn't call your boss and try to have you fired, but I can understand why he's upset about it. Most troops aren't committing war crimes, so they shouldn't be stereotyped that way.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:49 PM
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233. actually, I rarely discuss politics in class....
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:51 PM by mike_c
I teach entomology and ecology classes. Politics are sometimes unavoidable in ecology because of close relationships between ecology and conservation, but even those are really only tangential to a class in general ecology, so I go to some lengths to encourage students to AVOID letting their political views color their scientific judgement.

Anyway, I make ALL of my course materials, e.g. lecture notes and actual lecture presentations, available for public inspection. The folks who've acccused me of being another Ward Churchhill (including Mr. Wollaston) could have checked their facts at any time. Here is a link for guest access to the entomology class I'm teaching this semester:

http://blackboard.humboldt.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_4006_1

Lecture notes and presentation materials can be viewed by following the links to Course Documents and then Lectures. Some might not be available because they are being revised, but they will all be posted by the indicated dates.

Ecology and aquatic invertebrates course materials will be similarly available next semester.
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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:01 AM
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237. Okay, thanks.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:43 AM
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241. Are there any updates on your situation?
I might have to come up to Humboldt to shake your hand. I admire your courage.
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:28 PM
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245. Round up the intellectuals - isn't that what the Fascists did? Scary stuff
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:23 PM
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249. C U losers
There is probably one or two level headed posters on that other site, the rest of the posters reminded me why I am a dem/lib. I also cannot believe they are sending more emails to Mike's employer, a good judge of the maturity level over at C U.

C U'ers are just showing how lame they can be, very lame.

Dap
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 11:25 PM
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251. Thank you for your continue education of the young minded...
:kick:
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