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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:47 PM
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Help me refute this Freeper...
I asked a con for a source for his claim that Clinton had 3 chances to get Osama. He sent me this link. I know it's FreeperVille but it's their premeir argument for supporting PT911.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699020/posts

Gimme a hand you guys. Thanks.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:48 PM
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1. Sorry, not gonna pollute my computer going there to read...
could you summarize?
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:50 PM
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2. I can give you one
Clinton ordered the death or Capture of bin-Laden. But Bush's friend took over Pakistan by Military Coup and stop him from that one.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:50 PM
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3. Just tell them Bush Sr could have nabbed him at anytime while
he was POTUS. All he had to do was ask his fellow Carlyle associates. Actually, give up on that one. Freeptards look at this like it was a high school football game. They will NEVER understand the complexities involved. Goodluck.
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RandiRhodesArchives Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:51 PM
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4. Ok
Try this:

Clinton Was 'Obsessed' With Osama - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/eveningnews/main625205.shtml

Daily Kos: The Truth About Clinton and Bin Ladin
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/28/222055/631

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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:56 PM
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8. Thanks. I've got the perfect reply...
Refer him to the 9/11 Report directly. I doubt it'll help though because they don't believe it's true and have been indoctrinated to believe that Sandy Berger and Richard Clarke are somehow flaming liberals. It's like a dog chasing it's tail arguing with them.

I should just put the guy on ignore.
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RandiRhodesArchives Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:46 PM
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11. Sad when the 9/11 Report is factual...butt...
compared to FREEPERS, damn near ANYTHING is factual!!!!!!!!

Richard Clarke is CERTAINLY NOT liberal. But anyone who DARES to stand up to the CONs is instantly branded a LIBERAL which to the freepertards equals TERRORIST. And on a side note, I am SO sick of this "9/11, that's the day that changed EVERYTHING." Excuse me, but uh, bullshit!
Nov. 9, 1989 <--THAT was the day that changed EVERYTHING, when the Berlin wall came down and the repukes crapped their pants! "OH MY GOD! We no longer have a boogie man! Uhh...shit! Uh...hey, how about our old buddy Saddam?! 'He's a Hitler!' Yeah, that sounds good! And show that picture of the fetus he killed 9 billion times! It'll work!"
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:51 PM
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5. You'll never convince a freeper (aka total fucking moron) of anything
Let it go. Educate yourself on the subject, and ignore the idiots.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:53 PM
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6. This is on the Sudan myth
http://mediamatters.org/items/200406220008

The truth is that Clinton never offered Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia. Hannity distorted a remark Clinton made in a speech to the Long Island Association's annual luncheon on February 15, 2002, in which Clinton said that he "pleaded with the Saudis" to accept Sudan's offer to hand bin Laden to Saudi Arabia. Sudan never offered bin Laden to the United States. Hannity's mention of "the tape" is a reference to a video of this speech. NewsMax.com obtained a video of the speech in 2002 and began hyping the supposed Clinton "admission" (see transcript and listen to the audio). In fact, Clinton did not "admit" to the Sudan offer in that speech or anywhere else. Here's the relevant portion of Clinton's remarks to the Long Island Association:

CLINTON: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them . We got -- well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan.

Furthermore, during his June 20 interview on 60 Minutes with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Clinton categorically denied that such an offer was made: "'There was a story which is factually inaccurate that the Sudanese offered bin Laden to us,' says Mr. Clinton. 'As far as I know, there is not a shred of evidence of that.'"

No one involved in the 1996 negotiations apart from former officials of Sudan -- a country that the U.S. State Department has designated as a state sponsor of terrorism every year since 1993 -- has verified the claim that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States. In light of this lack of evidence, the 9-11 Commission "Staff Statement No. 5," issued in March, rejected the Sudanese claim:

Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.

Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:59 PM
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10. Excellent! Thank you..
Exactly what I was looking for. Shoulda known to go to MediaMatters.

THEN I'll put the guy on "ignore".
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:54 PM
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7. Snopes link:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:57 PM
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9. Here's snopes
on several "failures" of the Clinton Administration.

THe Sudan thing is more rumor than anything. Some warlord in Sudan says he has bin Laden but will only turn him over to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia says no. That's it in a nutshell. There has never to my knowledge been any confirmation that Sudan had bin Laden or wanted to turn him over.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm

Mz Pip
:dem:
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