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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:09 PM
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Why Did Jeb Do This?
What was the ostensible reason for Jeb Bush declaring martial law on September 7th, 2001? Was there a hurricane en route to the coast of Florida? Did he know something others did not? Did he make any public statements as to his reason for this?

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-261

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the statutory responsibility to provide support to law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the responsibility to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations; and

<snip>

Section 2.

I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

<snip>

Section 6.

This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:15 PM
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1. Why did he fly into the airports in the middle of the hight and scoop
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 01:16 PM by higher class
up all the files? Hoffman/Huffman and ? - where the alleged highjackers studied.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:26 PM
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6. I looked that up
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. Wow, Liberty Forum and Mad Cow.
What amazing sources. Burning the bullshit candle at both ideological ends, I see.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:48 PM
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49. Jeb and feds seized records from Huffman Aviation
Why did Jeb Bush and federal agents seize records from Huffman Aviation - Florida flight school of Mohammed Atta, and other 9/11 hijackers - in the middle of the night following the attacks of September 11th and load them onto a C-130? And why did Jeb Bush know, hours after the attack, where to look?


then, there's the Phantom Flight from Florida on 9/13
(post 54)


from post 12

Kristen Breitweiser, grilling senior FBI agents:


"I don’t understand, with all the warnings about the possibilities of Al Qaeda using planes as weapons, and the Phoenix Memo from one of your own agents warning that Osama bin Laden was sending operatives to this country for flight-school training, why didn’t you check out flight schools before Sept. 11?"

"Do you know how many flight schools there are in the U.S.? Thousands," a senior agent protested. "We couldn’t have investigated them all and found these few guys."

"Wait, you just told me there were too many flight schools and that prohibited you from investigating them before 9/11," Kristen persisted. "How is it that a few hours after the attacks, the nation is brought to its knees, and miraculously F.B.I. agents showed up at Embry-Riddle flight school in Florida where some of the terrorists trained?"

"We got lucky," was the reply.



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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:06 PM
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56. Because they were patsies for the black-ops they perpetrated.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:15 PM
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58. wow, I missed that one......bookmarked!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:36 PM
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60. Excellent, JC.. thanx..n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
82. Jersey Girls and me ... we all want to see a NEW 9-11 Commission
report done, this time one that isn't like the Warren report but more reflective of the truth. Pray for truth, it lies bleeding in the streets.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:16 PM
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2. I thought at first it was a test
run, and he pulled the trigger a little too early. The people hadn't yet been sufficiently propagandized yet.

Babs probably gave him evil looks for days.

Now, I still see it as having been a test run on how people would respond. His brother most likely told him to just wait a little while longer.

We are headed there again, and it won't just be for Florida.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:16 PM
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3. Same Reason Asscroft Started Using Private Jets
They knew damned well something was coming. Fortunately, this will all come out in the wash. I'm convinced now that history will not let them off. It's glaringly obvious what happened 9/11, and who was behind it.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:20 PM
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5. Yes I agree but what I'm looking for
is some documentation as to why he made this declaration. What was the contrived reason? Or did he not give a reason at all? Seems to declare martial law there must at least be a pretense.

BTW excellent article by Bageant.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:34 PM
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7. You've Probably Seen This
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/jebknew.htm

Not much background on his motives, though.

Yes, Joe Bageant is fantastic!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Very interesting website you've found there.
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 01:55 PM by yibbehobba
I had no idea the Israelis brought down the Columbia. I learn something new every day!

Edit: Sorry. Scalar weapons brought down Columbia. The jews just helped to cover it up.

Brilliant fucking reporting there.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:18 PM
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4. They knew.
They knew and they made it happen.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:51 PM
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8. You did note that it is an extension of an
Executive Order 2001-017 from 19 Jan 2001

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/january/eo2001-17-01-19-01.html

with essentially the same verbiage and is directed at authorizing training of National Guard for law enforcement assistance (say for example like they were used in New Orleans).
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Yes I noticed that
and so I wondered what was the given reason by the Governors office? At that time, as far as I have discovered, there were no major weather events. And of course it still could've been coincidental but it seems there would be some sort of official proclamation and some attention in the media explaining this.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. I think you should re-read his post.
The reason is stated in plain English.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #8
29. Interesting that Jan 19 2001 was the day before
his brother's inauguration.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #29
48. Jebthro's 'uncanny timing' for issuing executive orders ...
~snip~

"With throngs of Floridians still angry over being denied a vote or having had their votes discounted, one might expect some civil unrest in Florida on the day an illegitimate president was to be inaugurated. Hence, it is curious that Executive Order #01-17 was issued on the eve of the presidential inauguration."

~snip~

not to mention E.O. 01-260

"After vacationing for the month of August 2001 at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, President Bush traveled to Florida to promote his education agenda. Florida Governor Jeb Bush welcomed the visit and used the opportunity to publicize the Governor’s own education initiative. As part of this coordinated effort, Jeb Bush issued an executive order ostensibly to encourage Florida’s children to read. This executive order (#01-260) was issued and announced to the public on September 7, 2001."

~snip~


http://executiveorders.blogspot.com/2004/09/jeb-bush-executive-orders-pre-91101.html


Doesn't his E.O. 01-262 place and keep Florida under martial law? Has it expired?

It was issued right after the 2nd tower fell. Faster than any other state.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed, at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 11th day of September, 2001.

~snip~

"The ACLU's second concern lies in the exclusion of the Legislature's proper oversight responsibilities. As we have stated publicly, every Floridian can understand your September 11th Executive Order #01-262, which declared a state of emergency at a time when no one knew the extent of the terrorist attack or whether there would be additional attacks. Nonetheless, the conditions that exist today to justify a continued state of emergency are likely to exist into the indefinite future. Governing by executive order places enormous authority in the FDLE to act without legislative oversight, with its attendant public hearings, and without opportunity for appropriate public and legislative response."

~snip~

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/archive/2001/bushletter1019.cfm

The ACLU was, also, quite concerned with Jeb's E.O. 01-300 which followed a month later.

http://www.aclu.org/natsec/gen/12496prs20011019.html
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:24 PM
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53. Thank you, cosmicdot. Interesting, indeed.
I searched Gov. Bush's EO's for any pertaining to the National Guard.

Here's the search results:


#2005-112 Executive Order that the Governor designated the Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service
June 08, 2005
#2004-110-Executive Order that within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.28, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcem
June 02, 2004
#2004-39-Executive Order that the Florida National Guard and those who gave their lives in defense of their nation, would like the privilege of having members of the Florida National Guard participate in the opening of 2004 Florida Legislative Sess
February 27, 2004
#2002-138-Executive Order to ratify and reaffirm Executive Order 01-262, giving the Florida National Guard the authority to continue its present state of mobilization to the extent needed to close out its current missions. May 07, 2002
#2001-261-Executive Order regarding the Florida National Guard.
September 07, 2001
# 2001-17-Executive Order: Regarding Florida National Guard's Responsibility in Emergency Management Situations. January 19, 2001
#2000-133-Executive Order for Executive Order Activate resources of the National Guard under Executive Order 2000-64-5-5-00
May 05, 2000
http://fcn.state.fl.us/b_eog/owa/b_eog_www.exec_orders_display.title_results


So, if I'm reading this correctly, prior to January 19th, 2001, there were no EO's for the 'National Guard's responsibility in emergency management situations'? The January EO established their responsibility regarding 'civil disturbances, natural disasters and counterdrug operations'? Then, on September 7th, those orders were revoked and a new EO enacted which included 'acts of terrorism'?

I just got a chill and may need to go out and get me one of them-there tin foil hats.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #48
70. it expired june 2003! n/t
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #8
41. The EO signed on 09/07/01 was not an 'extension'
or 'continuation' of the 01/19/01 EO.

The EO put into place on 09/07/01 superseded and revoked the standing order signed in January.

Nor is the verbiage essentially the same. The EO signed on 09/07/01 added 'acts of terrorism' to the mix:


Section 3.

The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the smuggling of illegal drugs into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes.
http://www.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html


I think a valid question to ask is why Gov. Bush decided to revoke a standing order and replace it with one that included 'acts of terrorism' on 09/07/01. Was there some sort of 'red flag' that triggered the act?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. So... which Florida port was bombed on 9/11? n/t
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. ...
Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port

You're asserting that this lanugauge was specifically added with foreknowledge of 9/11, and knowing that no Florida ports were bombed on 9/11, how do you square those two concepts? Surely that language would be overly specific, yes?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. No, I was questioning the need for the EO and the addition
of the term 'acts of terrorism'.

What changed/happened that would justify revoking and replacing the standing order?

Gov. Bush had nothing better to do that particular day? :shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #41
65. Fascinating point.....I don't recall anything leading up to 9/11 that
would have prompted this. I wonder if Jeb had made any signing statements that explained why this EO was in need of rewrite. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Like his trip to Dekker's office on the night of the attacks.
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
67. EO 261 revoked EO 17 so they could add....
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 11:14 PM by threadkillaz
TERRORISM.



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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:59 PM
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10. 7-11. 7 or 11? They were confused about the day.
They got intelligence that it was coming but the similar sounding, and culturally connected dates confused them as to the exact day. The fact that he declared martial law that close to 9/11 is one of many dead giveaways that THEY knew however.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Query:
What purpose did imposing martial law serve? AFAIK he never used the authority for anything, other than wrt the aforementioned Nat'l Guard training.

So what was the point?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. My opinion is that the bushies want total power.
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 02:11 PM by MyPetRock
Jeb probably figured it was his chance to grab it.

on edit: He wasn't able to pull off martial law, probably because his brother ran like a yellow streak. Had his brother acted like a national leader, instead of a terrified rabbit, the Repukes might have been able to declare martial law across the country. Guess the neocons underestimated Jr.'s undivided devotion to self.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. And used it for what?
First of all, I disagree with your reading of the document, but that's beside the point.

What's the point of grabbing power if you don't USE it? He didn't use it for anything. What was the point?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Can you just answer why the Florida National Guard
was put on alert 4 days prior... Is there a reason given? Simple question...

Please don't give me any of your cute little quips, just answer the question, cause I for one would like to know why he did that....
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Ask yourself WHY
was Bushit in Florida on 9-11? Was there NOT kindergarten classes he could read to in VA? Remember, (a long time ago), the economy was tanking on 9/10, the administration had no agenda and Bushit wastes 2 days flying to Florida? If something went very wrong(according to their plans) Bushit was in Florida and martial law COULD have been use to stop any rioting. Considering what happened in NY/DC/PA, American cities stayed very calm. We could have had runs on the banks and all kinda rioting out of fear we were being attacked.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. I have always wondered why the hijackers didn't
plan to attack when Bush would of been at the WH... Seems logical to make the statement....
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Why do you think they would want to get *?
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 02:59 PM by MyPetRock
This is getting into LIHOP territory, which I believe btw. We're not supposed to get into that on DU however.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. That's not necessarily an easy task.
Given how much time our fearless leader spends on vacation. :evilgrin:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Now we agree on something
:rofl:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. Thanks.
See, we can find common ground. Disagreeing with MIHOP doesn't mean we think Dubya's a credit to the species. Well... this or any species.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
83. well , he wasn't at the WH
but Congress was in session. What a great novel this would make--maybe 93 wasn't targeting the WH, maybe it was Congress-will never know.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Ah yes, that explains it.
That's why Bush sat there for seven minutes looking like an utter Jakeus on national television. The man could have been a fuckin' hero. He could have taken charge. Instead he wandered around in a geritol haze until somebody dragged his lazy arse off to Air Force One.

Brilliant strategic maneuver, I agree.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #24
39. And that is the reason I don't believe mihop or maybe even lihop
if he had a hand in it he could have made himself the hero, instead of like a deer caught in a hunter's headlights.

He had no clue. As for others, cheney, etc, I am not so sure.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. he didn't care about looking like a hero
he was only concerned about establishing an alibi, he could always pay off the media to make him a hero later.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. * is NOT a good liar even though he lies all the time.
That's why he had that deer caught in the headlights look about him. He couldn't figure out what he needed to say or do, but he KNEW. It was LIHOP or MIHOP and he knew it. It was obvious that he knew in that he showed so little damn emotion or surprise! :grr:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. You're probably right
I can go with LIHOP, but mihop will need more info to convince me.

I still think he was/is an idiot who had little clue, due mainly to the fact he has poor management skills. :)
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BlueStateBlue Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #39
69. I never bought the "deer in the headlights" theory
I think he was trying to act surprised and concerned when he was told. He's as shitty an actor as he is a leader.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #24
40. Wait didn't the press make him out to be a Hero?
Just sayin :shrug: The showed him on the pile of buildings with the NYPD, NYFD and others saying he was going to get the people who did this... Wasn't he the hero then????

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Yes, DAYS afterwards.
After he recovered from whatever fugue was affecting him on 9/11. Can you imagine what'd been made of him marching openly up Pennsyvania Avenue to the white house amidst the chaos of 9/11? It'd be one of the most enduring images of any President since the Second World War. Instead we got treated to The Pet Goat for what seemed like an eternity. And then his hiding in a bunker in Nebraska. Even on THAT day, amidst the rah-rah, his behaviour got negative comments.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
64. That has always puzzled me
I mean, if one is to grandstand, why put it off? His better moment would have been on that day. Frankly, I think Bushco are just plain incompetent greedy pricks, that got in over their heads when they were forced to realize that you can't put a country on autopilot.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #24
52. how did the secret service know
bush was in no danger, as they left him set there. don't they normally remove the president to a safe, undisclosed location until the situation is understood? that dog don't hunt, hell it didn't even bark.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #20
59. Why was the Director of the War Room in Florida with him?
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 06:32 PM by elehhhhna
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #59
81. Needed a war-plan to get out of the school?
that is strange indeed... very weird....
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Read up a few posts.
It was a continuation of an earlier order, which provided for National Guard training.

Are you seriously suggesting that NO Democrat in Florida - people who would be well aware of the situation and political reality, took ANY recourse against an absolute power-grab by the governor? Where is the context for these accusations? Either the Florida democratic party was utterly, unfathomably asleep at the wheel, or you are ascribing a legal meaning to this document for which there is very little evidence. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody in Florida would have any problem with Jeb taking over the state as a military dictatorship - as you claim that this document indicates?

So what we have here is a completely public document, which riled no feathers on the other side of the aisle then or now, which was never used for the purpose ascribed to it by some here... and this is somehow evidence of MIHOP. It makes no sense at all.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:55 PM
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31. I just wanted to know why it happened?
I don't know anything about any kind of a power grab... What you are saying is that he signed a bill for Martial Law and called up the guard is an extreme move on his part....

What I do know is you don't sign an order for Martial Law like that without very good reason to do it... National Guard training is not the reason... I know this because my ex-husband and Son both are in the guard (My son is in Iraq) and never, ever has this occurred....

I don't know what to think... I do know this is not right at all....
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:08 PM
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37. People here seem to be misreading the order.
It isn't a declaration of a state of emergency or anything of the sort. By my reading, it's a reassertion of the Governor's right to do such a thing, but it in know way appears to be doing the thing itself.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:11 PM
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38. No, he called up the Guard on 09-07-01
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 03:20 PM by dogday
when he signed the order.... He effected the law on 09-11-2001--- The only state besides Washington DC and New York to do so...
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:35 AM
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80. because they were afraid too many americans would realize that a

coup d'etat was taking place and would riot.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:16 PM
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18. Like I said, he might have been able to use it if Dim Son hadn't
cut and run.

This is just my opinion. You can take it or leave it.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:45 PM
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26. Used it for WHAT? n/t
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:47 PM
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27. USED MARTIAL LAW TO GRAB POWER.
Do caps help you understand?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:51 PM
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28. No.
You're not making any sense. You've presented no scenario in which your improper reading of the executive order makes one whit of difference one way or the other. And according to you, he's managed to sneakily grab all of this power for nefarious purposes... and then didn't use it.

And if there's one thing we know about the Bushes it's that they use whatever power they've got. Sorry, your caps didn't help. I prefer actual thoughts.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:54 PM
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30. He didn't use it because 1.) the commander in chief of the US was awol,
ergo there was nobody in charge to say what the hell anybody was supposed to do around the country; 2.) because he didn't need to. People stayed cool in FL.

Knowing what was about to come down, Jeb instituted martial law, just in case. GET IT NOW?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. No.
Because, again, your reading of the document is all wrong.

This is a public document. It is a matter of record. It was a matter of record when it was signed.

Do you seriously expect me, or anyone else, to believe that not one single member of the Democratic party in Florida would take issue with Jeb claiming military dictatorship over the whole of the state? Because that's what you're asserting that he did. You seriously mean that every Democrat in Florida was just A-okay with Jeb declaring martial law?

Your reading of the document is completely wrong. It does not mean what you say it means. Once again, you have failed to provide any realistic scenario in which the governor of a state could declare martial law in a very public fashion and for no reason at all and not be challenged on it.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. You know what,
I really don't give a flying fuck what you think.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Hey, all I wanted was an answer to my question.
If you're unable to provide it then by all means tell me to fuck off. But don't pretend for a moment that you've made your point.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:15 PM
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57. Democrats in Florida? What would they have to do with it?
Martial Law is just that. He's in charge. It would be convenient if Bush needed a safe place or other co-conspirators needed a jumping off place to get out of the country.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:11 PM
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62. hang on a second.....what was the jumping off place for those
that this gov't flew out of here on 9/12or13???? you know...those Saudi's and Binladen's family members? 154 people supposedly, that the agency HAS ADMITTED THEY DID FLY OUT....
windbreeze
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:57 PM
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63. Consider this as well
"Jeb" then signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-262 immediately after the second WTC tower fell. Florida was the first STATE to declare a "State of Emergency" and did so before New York State or the Federal Washington City leaders did, yet there were no "terroristic" incidents that had taken place. Florida EO 01-262 states, in part:
 
"I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida... The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity... The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency... The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State; The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities... I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency."
-Jeb Bush

Now what I'm trying to get at has nothing to do with the various theories about what happened on 9/11, but rather what I am seeking and what has not been explained, here or anywhere I've seen, is what was the reason for the declaration/signing which occured 4 days previous to 9/11. Let's be very specific and factual. What was the reason given by the Governor's office, a spokesperson or Jeb himself for this proclamation. I don't know the answer and this question is bothersome. We need not even draw any conclusions if we find the answer or if we find there is no answer. But of course we must examine this if we are to truly be skeptical empiricists, yes?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:16 PM
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50. most likely had a back up plan to flee the country if things
went wrong, would take some time to round up and destroy incriminating evidence, round up his kids from whatever crack house they were in, and transfer his wealth to a safe, undisclosed location. if things had went south the bush family would have had to flee the country with the bin laden family, and troops to cover their ass would have been needed.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:03 PM
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61. that sounds right to me - it was a contingency plan
for things getting fubar. Very good explanation diktatrw
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:18 PM
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19. God was out of control.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:42 PM
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22. probably some of "the mid-easteners" showed up in Ft. Myers the day after
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:28 PM
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54. REC 14 & Kick! Bump this baby up!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:59 PM
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68. Excellent question J!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:07 AM
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71. I posted about this 1 1/2 yrs ago here at DU
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 04:19 AM by flyarm
I posted about this 1 1/2 year ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

and was basically shut down here at du.. saying i was tin foil hat ( aahem..basically lying)...... about it!!

the Sept 7th executive order was as i have been explained it a pre-curser to martial law ..( a preperation for) ..if i am remembering correctly..( haven't looked at it in a long while..but i was obsessed by it for a long time..


..the following was in my files but sorry no source any longer..

On Friday, September 7, "Jeb" signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-261 which states, in part:

"I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations. This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003."

This Fla. EO places the Florida National Guard (which is not a lawful militia), a unit of the Federal U.S. Army, in control of all Florida law enforcement (State FDLE, County Sheriffs, and local PD's) and the Florida Emergency Management department (Florida's FEMA under federal FEMA control). Remember, this was 4 days before the WTC disaster.



..but people Fema is acutally a pretty dangerous law enforcement law, onto itself..that most in this country do not understand

fly


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=32438&mesg_id=32573

I was a delegate for the state of Florida for the democratic national convention..i took copies of both executive orders with me to Boston..and tried to get the media to pay attention to it..and Democratic congress people..no one wanted to hear about it!!

I had copies of the Executive order from Sept 7th 2001 and copies of the executive order of Sept 11th 2001 and handed them out at the convention over and over again..i carried stacks with me each day to the convention hall..

In fact i gave a copy to Al Franken and he laughed about it...

I sat next to Janet Reno one night and she was concerned about it..and took a copy from me..

I gave copies to may media people...most were not really interested.

I spoke to Jesse Jackson about it..he said he would look into it..

I discussed it with Gloria Steinem....

I attempted to get anyone i met to pay attention to the executive orders.

I gave a copy to Micheal Moore and Richard Dryfuss who were speakers for the Florida delegation

I gave a copy to Gary Hart

no one seemed very interested...fly


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Governor "Jeb" then signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-262 immediately after the second WTC tower fell. Florida was the first STATE to declare a "State of Emergency" and did so before New York State or the Federal Washington City leaders did, yet there were no "terroristic" incidents that had taken place. Florida EO 01-262 states, in part:
"I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida... The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity... The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency... The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State; The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities... I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency."
There is no declared expiration of this Florida Executive Order. In case you haven't figured it out yet, Florida is now under martial law and will remain so until this EO is revoked. We tried to warn the people of Florida about this in 1998 when our State Constitution was changed in order to allow this to take place, but no-one listened.


http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-262-09-11-01.html

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-262
(Emergency Management)

WHEREAS, on September 11, 2001 a combination of persons unknown carried out a series of terrorist acts resulting in the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City and an explosion at the Pentagon, costing the lives of many persons and resulting in injuries to many more; and

WHEREAS, the scale of the destruction and the coordination, orchestration, and timing evident in these acts of terrorism suggest that they may be part of a larger pattern of acts of terrorism; and

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution and by the Florida Emergency Management Act, as amended, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 1.

Because of the foregoing conditions, I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida. I further find that the precautions needed to protect the State from a recurrence of such terrorist acts require a coordination of efforts by a number of agencies, and that central authority over these activities will be needed to ensure such coordination.

Section 2.

I hereby delegate to the Department of Law Enforcement the operational authority to coordinate and direct the law enforcement resources and other resources of any and all state, regional and local governmental agencies that the Department may designate to take the precautions needed to protect the State of Florida from terrorist acts. I hereby place all law enforcement resources under the operational authority of the Department of Law Enforcement while this Executive Order remains in effect, and I hereby designate the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement as Incident Commander for this emergency.

Section 3.

I hereby designate the Interim Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency, and as my Authorized Representative. In exercising the powers delegated by this Executive Order, the State Coordinating Officer shall lend all available operational support to the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement, and shall confer with the Governor to the fullest extent practicable. In accordance with Sections 252.36(1)(a) and 252.36(5), Florida Statutes, I hereby delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the following powers, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency:

The authority to activate the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan;
The authority to invoke and administer the Statewide Mutual Aid Agreement, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources under that Agreement so as best to meet this emergency;
The authority to invoke and administer the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and other Compacts and Agreements existing between the State of Florida and other States, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources from such other States that are made available to the State of Florida under such Compacts and Agreements so as best to meet this emergency;
The authority to distribute any and all supplies stockpiled to meet the emergency;
The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity, to include, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any and all statutes and rules which affect budgeting, printing, purchasing, leasing, procurement, and the conditions of employment and the compensation of employees; provided, however, that the State Coordinating Officer shall have authority to suspend the effect of any statute, rule or order only to the extent necessary to ensure the timely performance of vital emergency response functions;
The authority to relieve any and all state agencies responsible for processing applications or petitions for any order, rule, or other final action subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, as amended, from the deadlines specified in that Act and in other applicable laws for the duration of this emergency, if the State Coordinating Officer finds that such deadlines cannot be met because of this emergency;
The authority to direct all state, regional and local governmental agencies, including law enforcement agencies, to identify personnel needed from those agencies to assist in meeting the needs created by this emergency, and to place all such personnel under the direct command of the State Coordinating Officer to meet this emergency;
The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency, subject always to the duty of the State to compensate the owner;
The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State;
The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities; and
The authority to designate such Deputy State Coordinating Officers as the State Coordinating Officer may deem necessary to cope with the emergency.

Section 4.

I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

Section 5.

In accordance with Sections 252.36(5)(a) and 252.46(2), Florida Statutes, all statutes, rules and orders are hereby suspended for the duration of this emergency to the extent that literal compliance with such statutes, rules, and orders may be inconsistent with the timely performance of emergency response functions.

Section 6.

I hereby give all agencies with employees certified by the American Red Cross as disaster service volunteers within the meaning of Section 110.120(3), Florida Statutes, the authority to release any such employees for such service as requested by the American Red Cross as needed to meet the emergency.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed, at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 11th day of September, 2001.


fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:39 AM
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72. thisis good to watch...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:13 AM
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73. WILL PITT WROTE ABOUT THIS ON SEPT 24TH 2001 AT DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list_threads&om=4971&forum=DCForumID5

WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Sep-24-01, 11:13 AM (ET)
Florida has been under martial law since 9/7/01?
Can anyone provide independent verification of this?
- - - - -
Martial Law in Florida
A Revised State Constitution

http://209.123.142.199/lawgiver/flaconst.asp

UPDATE, September 21, 2001 - On Friday, September 7, Florida Governor "Jeb" Bush signed Executive Order No. 01-261 which states, in part:

"I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations. This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003."
This Florida EO places the Florida National Guard , a unit of the Federal U.S. Army, in control of all Florida law enforcement and the Florida Emergency Management Agency . This took place four days before the World Trade Center disaster.

On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, Pres. "G.W." Bush was in a Sarasota, Florida classroom reading a story about a pet goat when his Chief of Staff whispered in his ear about the WTC "terrorism". Rather than attend to this national disaster, "G.W." continues to read the goat story to these second grade children and then, 30 minutes later, makes a brief statement to the press. More about this odd behavior can be read at The Obscure Goat Story.

Governor "Jeb" then signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-262 immediately after the second WTC tower fell. Florida was the first STATE to declare a "State of Emergency" and did so before New York State or the Federal Washington City leaders did, yet there were no "terroristic" incidents that had taken place. Florida EO 01-262 states, in part :


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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:34 AM
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74. kick
4 exposure!
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 06:47 AM
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75. do you think it had anything to do
with the Gore election results, that Gore had won Florida?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 07:58 AM
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76. this...
is a kickin thread!
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:32 AM
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77. i'm in florida and i want to know! We were under martial law?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:13 AM
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79. read my post #71...n/t
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 11:13 AM by flyarm
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:35 AM
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78. cause his brother told him in advance that the bfee has to appear...
in control about the events that were about to unfold
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