40 Minutes till first screening in Wellington NZ

[althecat]

.... watch this space....

[MADem]

1. Any word on what version? See text below....

According to the folks in New Zealand, they have the original defamatory version of Disney/ABC's 9/11 show and they've clearly not been given any orders not to run it. They're still planning on running the original version and will only run something different IF Disney/ABC gets them the new version in time. As the NZ is pretty damn far ahead of, international dateline wise, this should be interesting. If they run the original show, and they say they're still planning on it, the libel awards are going to be in the millions.
TVNZ spokesperson Megan Richards says the network will run whatever the ABC sends to it.

Ms Richards says TVNZ already has a version of the programme, but if it receives another one before the screening time, that will be run instead.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/new-zealand-tv-planning-on-running.html

[althecat]

7. This is far too complex to be reedited...

... that is a smokescreen.

Tis very clever from what I have seen so far. Is a convincing piece of fiction justifying extraordinary tactics in a war on terror... mind you so far is all about Ramzi Yousef.

[Omphaloskepsis]

2. Do you know if it is being shown ad free in other countries?

Why the fuck are they running it in other countries?

[SoCalDem]

4. Other countries like Clinton too much

simple..

[dipsydoodle]

57. That is a very very accurate statement

Quite the hero here in the UK. :)

[althecat]

8. Nope we have adverts

[althecat]

9. John O'Neil has Ramzi Yousef pinned down

... but is a bit of a giant clusterfuck. The Pakistanis are arresting him after louis Freeh finally gave the go ahead.. was a bit touch and go.

Every fifteen minutes or so there is a reference to the fact that the rule of law makes it impossible to fight terror.

[althecat]

10. And Khalid Sheikh Mahommed got away...

[althecat]

11. "And saddam. Is that what this is all about. Revenge for the Gulf War."

... US DSS officer. Pakistani Colonel "Give me one hour with him and I will get all the answers you want."

[althecat]

12. .. but no damned rules mean they can't toture the b***tard

[EFerrari]

14. Thank GOD Bush took care of that pesky rule of law!

:rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

15. But wait. I thought it was the "rule of law" that made it so important

to find out precisely where the high unholy CLENIS had left its demonic, unchristian semen.

(om fact, I distinctly remember a wheezy Henry Hyde repeating that phrase -Rule of Law- several times, in between weeping about the falling flag, the flag is falling and can't someone please find me some Viagra because not only can't I get my flag up anymore, I can't FIND my wee little flag amongst all my many rolls of fat.)

I'm so confused! :crazy:

[EFerrari]

16. Lol! The Republicans will never, ever forgive Bill Clinton for

his potency.

:rofl:

[mrfrapp]

53. The UK

It's being shown in the UK on one of the BBC channels, an advert free network.

[dipsydoodle]

55. In the UK it's on BBC2 @ 8pm BST

Neither BBC1 nor BB2 are allowed to advertise under their broadcast licence. There are no exeptions to that.

We're 5 hours ahead of NY and 8 ahead of your west coast incase you didn't know. Those are constants other than when switching back from summer time occurs of different dates each side.

[dipsydoodle]

56. At what time does *

buy his coloring in crayons for My Pet Goat ?

[Crunchy Frog]

3. I hope that you're recording it.

This needs to be documented, since it's the unedited version.

[jayctravis]

5. That's the one with the promo with the guy saying

"The OFFICIAL TRUE STORY..." isn't it? Bastard fucks.

[EFerrari]

6. I'd be really interested to know what people think 'way over there.

Please keep us posted. :)

[twenty4blackbirds]

13. I'm turned off.

Top Gear is far more interesting than the mockumentary.

TP 9/11: The pacing is far too slow by half; the script is telegraphed at least 15mins ahead.

I still think that showing Fahrenheit 911 is a pretty good rebuttal as that documentary presses the facts and raises questions.

1) House of Bush is closely connected to House of Saud. Bush & cronies received heaps more money from Bin Ladens than the US public ever paid them. To whom do Bush & cronies have allegience to?
2) Bush I still received briefings from the US Intelligence about stuff, and still visited the Bin Ladens in Saudi Arabia. What did they talk about?
3) Why were the Bin Ladens allowed to fly on 13 Sept 2001 when Bush I wasn't? Why were the Bin Ladens so privileged?
4) Why didn't Bush II read the report handed to him? the one with the title 'Bin Laden determined to strike in US'?
5) Why didn't Bush II do his homework before coming into office in 2000?

Still an' all "Spiderman 2" is on the other channel.

(edited to add extra questions)

[althecat]

17. "The fact is terrorism is considered by this administration as a law...

... and order problem. Period."

Followed by...

"I did not have sex with that woman."

This immediately after a scene where the CIA has not been given permission to kill UBL even though they know where he is.

[EFerrari]

18. Richard Clark explains this as the Pentagon not wanting to take

risks and then laying the blame on the White House -- actively lying to people into the bargain. The Pentagon would hem and haw and stall and the opportunity would be missed. Then, the Pentagon would say, too bad the President didn't give us the go ahead.

And, now the lie is codified.

[althecat]

19. The Berger Scene Begins...

"Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards." - Ahmed Masood

Just after Berger blows off the op at the last minute. Tries to pass the buck to George Tenet. George says it is just like Waco and Hanet Reno.

[EFerrari]

21. So. They left that in.

What a surprise.

[althecat]

20. Berger scene is not the end of the episode.. we are now in Nairobi

[althecat]

22. They team betrayed in Afghanistan by Berger seem to have been

... murdered in Nairobi by UBL.

Big Dawg "We will use all the means at our responsible..."

CIA Chick in tears.... "Those deaths, sir... we had him."

[EFerrari]

24. What a bunch of cr@p. I can't believe this. n/t

[nicknameless]

23. Thanks for this thread

:thumbsup:

[aquart]

26. How many hours did you get tonight?

[althecat]

28. So far 2.5 hours including ad breaks....

[althecat]

29. Another half hour to go and then 2.5 hours tomorrow.

.. all including ad breaks. Which are usually 18 mins an hour or thereabouts...

[The Count]

25. Reviews, ratings, opinions would be interesting to see

Not just from NZ, but wherever in the word. I let my family, friends abroad know about the whole context of this.

[althecat]

27. Madeleine Albright doesn't want to attack Taliban

"UBL's name is on the indictment not the Taliban."

She gives go ahead for cruise missile strike in Sudan and Afghanistan however...

More Big Dawg file footage.

Reports show the factory in Sudan was making medicine. John Miller (fake reporter) in Sudan. In the streets they burn American flags.

"Clinton is under attack for ordering the attacks to distract people from the Monica Lewinsky scandal." says miller.

Zawahari rings a correspondent from Afghanistan - says UBL is alive and says the war is on.

Implication seems to be that CLinton's failed attempts to kill UBL have riled Al Qaeda and the Taliban up. Masood is now under attack in a revenge attack by the Taliband.

[althecat]

30. UBL got away becoz Madeleine Albright tipped off the Pakistanis.

[althecat]

31. George Tenet is pissed off at Albright...

harvey Keitel is applauding him for showing he has some Cojones..

[EFerrari]

32. Albright screwed up Tora Bora?

:rofl:

[althecat]

40. No she screwed up the Taliban bombing op in 1998

.. by telling the Pakis it was going ahead. UBL bailed coz he got warned by the ISI.

This sounds like it might possibly be true :)

[EFerrari]

47. Yes, the ISI outsmarted us, still does!

[POAS]

37. These are exactly the points that

Albright pointed to in her letter to Iger.

I can see the disclaimer before US airings now,

"Because of complaints raised by liberals you will not be seeing this movie in its original format. It has been censored, for US consumption, to delete several important and factual scenes. We have shown this movie in its original, uncensored version overseas but cannot do so here because of the thread of frivilous lawsuits."

[althecat]

33. Cut to Al Qaeda training camp 1999...

[althecat]

34. KSM is visiting UBL to suggest his plan...

"Clinton is Satan" someone yells then someone shoots a picture of Clinton on a screen and a bunch of dervishes jump throigh a flaming hoop.

[robbedvoter]

36. They get their cake and eat it too: attack Clinton from both sides

Theirs, and theor friends'.
Thanks for sparing me from watching - this truly is a public service!

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Well, apparently the religious right whackjobs who wrote this poop

agree with Al Qaeda on at least that point.

[althecat]

35. Cut to canadian border Dec 14 1999

Chap called Ahmed Ressam with a bad cough is caught trying to bring bomb materials into the US. He runs.

[robbedvoter]

38. It was because of the cough - pure luck. Doesn't count!

W has to find OBL who's only on dialysis - much harder!

[althecat]

39. They catch a terror cell network as a result and prevent a millennium

... attack.

[althecat]

41. Climactic scene John O'Neil celebrates that nobody got blown up on

31 December 1999. "But nobody bats 1000," says Keitel. And then sings Danny boy.

Cut back to Flight 11 taking off - Sept. 11 2001.

Terrists look a bit sick but get up and arm themselves with red scarves. Pocekt knives. Box cutters and duct tape.

Spooky music.

.. to be continued...

[Hissyspit]

43. Well, that's all disgusting. I hope New Zealand residents have enough

sense not to watch that drivel.

[althecat]

45. It was in a slot replacing the premiere current affairs doco show...

Called Sunday, our 60 mins sort of. It started at 7.30 and it will have rated very highly.

I will give you some info on reviewers views tomorrow.

[Hissyspit]

48. I guess I should say 'sense not to believe it'...

whether they watch it or not (obviously you were watching it and have sense enough not to fall for the propaganda).

It will be interesting to compare Sunday night ratings to Monday and see if there is any drop-off.

Thanks, al and have a good night! ABC have now officially and concretely committed a crime against history, libelled many, many good people, and done a great disservice to everyone in the world.

[Roland99]

54. Didn't Condi either lie about that incident or somehow try to take credit?

[MetaTrope]

42. So, come 2001, does it show the new "president"

ordering the strike force tracking bin Laden to stand down, shutting down the military intelligence unit tasked with studying al-Qaeda's global networks, and refusing to take part in international initiatives to freeze terrorist funding? All in the first two months of his "presidency"?

[althecat]

44. The promos continue to talk about it being the official shocking true...

... story. And - this made me smile - they have a clip showing some brass knuckle reporting that the shoot down order has been given. Which is curious since thanks to Vanity Fair we now know it wasn't given leastwise till after flight 93 crashed - leastwise if we beleive the NORAD tapes and not the 911 commission report.

That seems to be to have been a tad sloppy.

Overall impressions.

This is very very slick. If you were not aware of the background to the slanting of aspects of it it would not be obvious. If you are aware the fact that the Clinton admin is being portrayed as a bunch of terror pussies with no cojones is kinda stark.

.. till tomorrow night. And if you want I will give another rundown.

Gnight.

[EFerrari]

46. Thank you

[StrictlyRockers]

49. Thank you. Clinton, Albright and Berger must SUE SUE SUE!

[Sydnie]

51. Thank you for the blow by blow

so to speak. LOL

I hope they sue the asses off these guys!

[elehhhhna]

52. Yeah, it blows, alright.

[whistle]

58. Yes, please and I look forward to that, thanks Gnight

[Usrename]

50. Thank you for the rundown.

I didn't know you were there.

I just watched Press for Truth, it was very good.

[renate]

59. three cheers for althecat!!!!

Thank you so much for this thread!

I'm kicking this not only to tell althecat :yourock: but also to bump it for the folks who didn't know a synopsis of the movie was already available on DU from overseas.

Thank you again!

[The Count]

60. Did they run the disclaimer? They said they would:

TVNZ to run disclaimer on 9/11 mini series
10 September 2006

TVNZ says it will run a disclaimer on a screening of a controversial two-part mini series about September 11 starting tonight.

The Path To 9/11, with the second part tomorrow, will portray events leading up to the attacks in the United States in 2001.

The series is being re-edited by American network ABC after former US president Bill Clinton and other Democrats complained the series wrongly implied Mr Clinton was inattentive to the Islamic militant threat that led to the September 11 attacks.

A TVNZ spokeswoman said the broadcaster would run whatever the ABC sent to them.

She said she understood there was a disclaimer on the programme saying it was a dramatisation, not a documentary.

TVNZ already had a version of the programme, but if it received another one before the screening time tonight, that would be run instead.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3792620a10,00.html

[althecat]

62. B&W text... no sound about 5 seconds at the beginning and 2 secs at end

And its not much of a disclaimer... only when you get to the third para does it say they made stuff up.

And nowhere does it say.

"This mockumentary was scripted by a right wing fundamentalist sect with the express purpose of justifying torture and blaming the events of 9/11 on the Clinton administration."

[dipsydoodle]

63. There was a disclaimer in the UK

both at the beginning and the end. Be interested to see if you get it in the USA too.
It stated that the film is a not a documentary etc.