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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:18 PM
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U.S. Medical Students Endure Daily Harassment
in Medical school life is a bitch and then you go on to earn millions. Tough shit...

So what? This is what health care givers (non-Doctors) have to put up with for years. Now resident are whining? Gimme a fucking break.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060908/hl_hsn/usmedicalstudentsenduredailyharrassment

"Most medical students in the United States are graduating from medical school having had experiences that they report as being either belittling or harassing," said lead author Dr. Erica Frank, an associate professor and vice chairwoman of the Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta.

In fact, 42 percent of seniors said they had been harassed by other students, residents, preclinical professors, clinical professors or attending physicians, or patients. Eighty-four percent said they had been belittled, and 40 percent said they had been harassed and belittled.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:25 PM
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1. Medical Students are not Residents
Who cares how much they may or may not make in future? Should students be harassed by other students and teachers?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:22 AM
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15. And residents make around $40,000/yr for 3 to 6 yrs, carrying $200k of
school loans for that medical school education.

Later they will make between 70 and 100k in most fields, with the 400k and up folks being business men that set up offices employing many others - CEO's that actually help folks, but who do not get CEO pay.
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bainz Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:29 PM
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2. Great Post! A+++++ Will Read Again.
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 11:53 PM by bainz
I had a friend who had bad acne during his law school (Yuck! Another Lawyer) years.

Other students, who obviously had more money than him (he was top of the class, but barely scraped by) put posters with his face and the disclaimer "AIDS Poster Child" around the library. It almost caused him to quit. But he didn't.

Poor, poor him.

Oh wait. He is successful. So he deserved it!

Great Post! A+++++ Will Read Again.


Edit: that --> than
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:48 AM
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12. I hate to digress but......
Your post title was bothering me in some undefinable way, and then it popped into focus.

It reads EXACTLY like Ebay feedback. Weird that.
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bainz Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:04 AM
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14. you got it
I was trying to be as sarcastic as possible. Post title notwithstanding.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:30 PM
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3. Residency is no picnic
Long hours for mediocre pay. Then as a physician, you typically have tens or even hundreds of thousands in loans to begin paying back, which further delays "the good life" for you for a few more years.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:32 PM
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4. How progressive of you.
Truly, your sympathy is astonishing.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:39 PM
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5. None of the doctors I know are making millions
They endure an insanely grueling four years of medical school and emerge heavily in debt. They then spend the next several years working heavy shifts in residency for nominal pay. Eventually some of them do go on to lucrative careers, but after a lot of sacrifice.

Oh, yeah, and then there's the saving lives part.

What a bunch of assholes. :eyes:
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:06 AM
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9. Which ones...
Are the "assholes"?
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:51 AM
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13. Clearly all of them
judging by the OP.

:sarcasm:
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:41 PM
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6. Medical School is all about keeping the prices up. Not medicine.
There is no way in hell that all the crap that pre-med and medical school students are forced to learn is retained and functional by the time a physician reaches residency. Residents are then worked hours that would have any pilot, truck driver or taxi driver in jail and without a license.

Our current medical system delivers the most EXPENSIVE health care in the world. By any statistical standard it is far from the best. The harrasment is another step on the path to providing you with expensive health care.
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:43 PM
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7. My son is a resident and he works his tail off for very little money.
When he finishes in two years, he will have spent fourteen years in higher education-- nine learning how to save lives. Maybe one of those will be yours someday. After observing this process, I think he'll deserve every cent he earns when he's in full practice. These students endure an amazing amount of stress. It comes at them from every direction. Give them a break.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:42 AM
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11. My daughter graduated from a prestigious med school
almost 10 years ago and is still paying off her loans and will be for a long time to come. She makes a middle class living but she definitely is not rich.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:04 AM
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8. Yes and no No NO....
I've done it as a simple medic and the answer is that in all levels of medical proficiency you will be challenged...The question is, would you want less???These people are heading towards Doctorates and should be able to cope....As a simple medic, I passed a state bar and passed into medical service with powers damn near life and death-not the way it was written or planned,but ipso facto shit....A large bleeder we could deliver to a major hospital in 9-12 minutes (pick them up screaming,pack off and haul).On the other hand,we could tarry the extra 20 minutes to check vitals on a cancer patient, who would then be declared dead at the hospital.In ALL medicine and more so at levels higher than my own (say,past bandaid) you HAVE to make choices,and if you make the choice, then be ready to find out someone else after the fact could have done better....So I see both-yet if I could not even run an ambulance without feeling occasionally belittled shoud not a diploma cost more?
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:40 AM
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10. Thanks for the work you do
A policeman with a defribrillator saved my life and then you EMTs got my husband to the emergency room in time to save his life.

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 03:55 PM
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19. And bless you and yours...
it was something I did in the 80's and then walked away from...Believe it or not, other than drunks or desperate people in the midst of a crisis, you are the first to ever say thanks....
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:38 AM
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16. Try law school!
Not that docs don't get their doses too.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:45 AM
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18. Then again
Try any blue-collar job.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:41 AM
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17. I was a high school teacher. I respect doctors immensely, but I know
from "belittled"; THEY DON'T.
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