ABC Issues Response to Complaints!!!

[acmejack]

Dear Acmejack,
I have received several emails concerning the dramatization, "The Path to 9/11" and our network, ABC, has issued the following response for your review and consideration:

Statement from an ABC Spokesperson
The Path to 9/11 is a dramatization, not a documentary, drawn from a variety of sources, including the 9/11 commission report, other published materials and from personal interviews. The events that lead to 9/11 originally sparked great debate, so its not surprising that a movie surrounding those events has revived the debate. The attacks were a pivotal moment in our history that should never be forgotten and its fitting that the discussion continues.

The following disclaimer will air throughout the movie:
The following movie is a dramatization that is drawn from a variety of sources including the 9/11 Commission Report and other published materials, and from personal interviews. The movie is not a documentary. For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression."

Thank you for contacting me regarding your concerns.

Respectfully,

Patti C. Smith
President and General Manager
KVUE-TV

[acmejack]

1. Unsatisfactory-But there you have it.

We get a disclaimer say it is is Bullshit.

[Rockholm]

46. The Weather Channel's "Storm Stories" are truthier!

Their made up storm crap with folks in harms way are so chessy, but I get sucked in. THIS "mockumentary" is downright DANGEROUS.

[autorank]

48. There they have it...huge boycott..never again ABC..you're right it is BS

[Kikosexy2]

88. BOYCOTT...

ABC AND THIS MOVIE ON SEPT 10 & 11 ANYWAY!! SEND A VERY STRONG MESSAGE!!

[howmad1]

104. Don't forget to boycott advertisers.

And be sure to let them know as well.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

110. ABC is advertising "uninterrupted viewing" which I suppose means

no commercials. Call it a boycott or an unwillingness to patronize stupidity, I'm putting ABC on parent guard, which means it just won't appear on my TV anymore, and I won't be doing business with many of their advertisers.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

206. I just sent them an email with help from Working Assets

Basically I said I hope you don't air this garbage, because I would like for my kids to see Disney World. However, if you do, they'll never visit a Disney theme park on my dime, my TV will never be on ABC and my car will never go to a theater to see a Disney movie.

I also said there are millions of parents like me. Think about it.

[muesa]

109. ABC is SF is KGO

let's "DU" Ray Taliafero and Bernie Ward and Karel and Jonathan Rothmann and RJ Rurimun.

[cboy4]

173. Are you out of your mind?

:shrug:

[muesa]

228. Bernie had almost a whole show

Ranting at ABC-Disney. Bernie is on our side.

No I am not out of my mind? I just know how to use Google and find KGO's affiliations, and I am a little bit familiar with the FCC'd on line data base.

[cboy4]

230. Great.....I justed wanted to make sure you understood and

were aware.

[muesa]

231. I used to listen to Bernie and Ray at night

but then I bought a CCRane radio wuth a super antenna (I'm in the South Bay) - now I listen to AAR (altho I miss Mike Malloy).

But I was flipping between KGO and KQKE to pick up Bernie.

[mcg]

189. Yes, BOYCOTT, we will list ABC's advertisers and boycott them.

We've got to draw the line somewhere, we will not stand for this fascist propaganda!

[mcg]

194. and boycott Disney, etc.

see this excellent post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2495806#2495915

[louis-t]

2. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

[QuestionAll...]

11. damn rights it's not good enough.

they bloody well know most of the audience who aren't in the know will swallow it as gospel.

pig media.

[Maine-ah]

25. hell no! It's not good enough!

people are still going to believe it, regardless.

You can compare it to the Da Vinci Code. It's fiction, sure, based with some known facts. But it's still fiction. How many people freakin' believe that the Da Vinci Code is "real"? Enough for some one to write another book "debunking" it.

[Lasher]

51. You damn right it's not good enough

Why is it so important to air this propaganda right before the midterms? If they had one shred of decency they would at least run their bullshit after November.

[Uncle Joe]

60. Your damn right, it's not even close to being good enough,

and it's precisely because of the mid terms, ABC decided to come out with this propaganda bullshit just to effect the elections. They enabled Bush to power to begin with, they are as complicit as he in lying to the American People and see no reason to turn back now.

They are a disgrace!:grr:

[OwnedByFerrets]

3. Not good enough!!!

Its pure fiction and should be advertized as such.

[Subdivisions]

4. WOO- ...er ... hoo? We made it this far! Keep the pressure up! n/t

Let's not let it end there. The disclaimer is a start but it doesn't go far enough in getting through to less thoughtful minds that the blame for the attacks on 9/11 does not belong on Clinton.

[TheFriedPiper]

5. Better than nothing, and it's a start

we need to keep the pressure on

[uppityperson]

6. Not good enough. Keep up the pressure.

[ixion]

7. what a load of crap

if they want to run it as a piece of (RW indulgent) fiction, fine, but there's nothing documentary about it. :grr:

[joemurphy]

8. Absolutely inadequate...The "dramatization" blames Clinton

for letting Osama go, among other things...Something that never happened.
If they want drama, they needn't politicize the event...and politicize it in an absolutely false and partisan way.

[kurth]

15. When people see the word "dramatization" they immediately think

"dramatization of a real event", and that's it.

The ABC disclaimer for this piece of garbage is complete bullshit.

[kysrsoze]

151. It's about as "truthy" as saying, "Ispired by real events."

What kind of crap is that?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

9. They Don't Care About Truth.

They only care about Ratings and $$$$$$$$.

Given the MORON factor in this country, I'm sure they realize that no matter what the outcry, there will be plenty of MORONS who will watch this religiously, and believe it as FACT, not fiction.

There's strength in numbers. Unfortunately, there are enough MORONS in the U.S. to make it viable programming.

Of course, I won't watch it. But I'm irrelevant since I seldom watch the GARBAGE passing as MSM TV these days.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. They are beginning to back away from it. Now they are talking

disclaimers throughout the movie. Pretty soon it will be "Let's forget the whole thing".

Having a raft of congresspeople sending letters doesn't make them feel too confident either.

[gratuitous]

12. You are entitled to a dramatization

But not to your own set of facts, ABC. When you use real people as the backing for fictional events, you have an obligation to get it right. And when those real people, many of whom are still alive, object to the depiction of events concerning them that never happened, you have an obligation to get it right.

Or is "oh, it's just a dramatization" now license for libel? ABC is on prior notice that they're about to broadcast falsehoods; will they have a "we didn't know" defense should someone bring suit?

[smoogatz]

52. I think we're likely to see the lawsuits flying

after this sack of wingnut-shit hits the fan. Clinton and Berger will almost certainly sue, IMO.

[MADem]

117. Get a load of how they fucked Clinton, Albright and Berger, too

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/disneyabc-flat-out-refused-to-provide.html


Disney/ABC flat-out REFUSED to provide Pres. Clinton, Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger copies of its 9/11 "docudrama", tho GOP bloggers got copies
by John in DC - 9/06/2006 07:08:00 PM


Interesting behavior for a company that has a lot of business before Congress - a Congress that is expected to turn Democrat (at least in one house, maybe both) in about 8 weeks.

Republican bloggers, Disney/ABC is happy to give them complementary advance copies of its error-riddled TV show about September 11. But when the actual people slandered in the tv show ask to see advance copies, Disney/ABC says no.

I have a law degree. And you enter very interesting legal territory when someone expresses concern about the veracity of your TV show and you refuse to provide them with a copy in advance, yet provide copies to others. Okay, I'm being too polite. Albright wrote Disney/ABC and told them, flat-out, that the malfeasance they attribute to her is absolutely untrue. Disney/ABC has refused to even respond to her. (Sandy Berger wrote Disney/ABC as well.)

AGAIN, as I said in another thread, keep contacting ABC, and keep bitching at them...
......

[smoogatz]

175. Let them air it.

I think you'll see a major legal bloodletting that will bring down the ABC/Disney power structure--which would be fine with me. They've obviously gone wingnut, in the same general mode as Joementum.

[MADem]

217. Indeed Smoogatz--everyone should remember it was ABC that FUCKED

Bill Maher's POLITICALLY INCORRECT show.

[blue state liberal]

186. Clinton should absolutely sue Disney/ABC

since he is being personally maligned in this film. If Clinton decided to fight this disgusting corporation for false slander (AGAIN) then maybe we would see some action. Otherwise, it would probably be ho-hum, business as usual. What else is new?

[oasis]

222. Slimy bastards.

:grr:

[samsingh]

127. since when is abc in the business of airing material

without commercials?

[fed-up]

13. this has NO business in our schools-propaganda of the worst sort nt

[seabeyond]

17. yes, you are right. it does NOT beling in my childrens school

and i am going to make sure it is not

[EFerrari]

49. And, bet me that ABC will try to write it off their taxes somehow!

This is how the Thugs ALWAYS work: they find a way to make spreading the propaganda turn a profit for them.

[seabeyond]

53. sheeit, i wouldnt be surprised to see abc paid by bushco the same

as his "new" ads and armstrong and other journalists. i am still waiting for the money to be followed

[Jo March]

96. And send Scholastic a message

Here is the contact form for them:

http://scholastic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/scholastic.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

[seabeyond]

121. i did. lots. also this note from abc

told them abc is coming clean. are they going to. keep it out of my kids schools

[Jo March]

215. I agree that this should not be in the schools

If you read the pdfs, you will have a coniption fit. I just about did.

[Lex]

14. It's not "debatable." They are lying.

Making stuff up out of whole cloth. Lying. Period.

They said "The events that lead to 9/11 originally sparked great debate, so its not surprising that a movie surrounding those events has revived the debate."

[kurth]

18. Patti Smith is a typical corporate PR drone

Since 1990, Smith has served as general manager of KVEO-TV (NBC) in Brownsville, Texas. From 1989 until 1990, Smith served as operations manager, news director and local-regional sales manager at KGBT-TV (CBS) in Harlingen, Texas. She held the positions of promotions director and local-regional
account executive at KBVO-TV (UPN) in Austin from 1986 until 1989. From 1983 until 1986, Smith worked in new business development at Austin CableVision. Smith began her career in 1975 at KTBC-TV (FOX) in Austin, where she served as director of broadcast facilities until she became general manager of Austin Productions in 1981. A graduate of the University of Texas, Smith holds a bachelor of science degree in communications.

[Scout1071]

27. So what? What the hell does she have to do with this?

Are all PR people bad? No. Truth is that Patti is passing on the company line. No need to bash her, she is just doing her job. She didn't write, produce, direct, star in or even green light this film. Let's be civil please. No need to bash individual employees.

[mitchum]

38. Well, all PR people ARE just hucksters...

so "good" or "bad" depends upon how one feels about hucksters.
She's a tool.

[Scout1071]

41. Nice. Honestly, with statements like that, you are no better than "them"

Get a grip. Not all PR people are bad.

And I'll tell you exactly where your crappy, hateful voicemail will get you......the delete button. I have to take complaints from people all the time and I can tell you that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

For all you know, Patty volunteers for Dems in her off time. How about being a little less judgemental towards people and professions you know nothing about?

[Sterling]

57. Do you work in PR or something?

Sorry "It's just my job" does not cut it. Maybe all PR people do suck? This one does, that much is true.

[mitchum]

74. Well, I did work in PR (and was considered to be quite good...

at it), but I had an epiphany and decided I would rather devote my limited hours on this planet to something I considered to be more substantial.
Just where did I say it was innately "good" or "bad"? It's not as I said something such as "Well, Josef Goebbels..." Nope, not at all.
Judging from your near-hysterical defense of the profession, I would wager that I have touched a nerve with someone who is still in the business. To each their own.
A flack is a flack is a flack.

[Scout1071]

180. To be clear, I don't work in PR, but I do work in "something."

And I'm sorry, but the DU response towards these average people working at Disney, and in PR in particular, is kind of pathetic.

Why is it so hard to understand that a lot of these people might actually be Dems? And you are calling and yelling at them for decisions their boss makes? You can call, make a point, and still remain human to those people. Otherwise you piss off people that might actually be able to impact the overall decision and you come out looking like the bad guy. Is it so wrong that I want to take a human approach? Again, if you want to send a vitriolic message, it will be dismissed. Make a rational point and respect who you are talking to and you will get much further.

[mitchum]

192. But there is a clear difference between a beleagured receptionist...

and a PR flack like Smith. I have nothing but sympathy for the former.

peace,
mitchum

[MADem]

225. So long as we stick to bitching about the CORPORATION, and not the

individual/tool of said corporation, we should be just fine.

What ABC is doing is WRONG...

Supposedly they are going to air a statement shortly (Thursday afternoon)....

[samsingh]

130. no, we are much better than them

we don't lie and hate America.

[kurth]

131. She's a drone, mouthing the party line

Could she have said "a dramatization based on conservative interpretations of the Clinton administration and on totally fictional events disputed by key witnesses?" Hell no.

[ProudDad]

154. Yes, all flacks who flack for evil

are bad.

They should refuse to be part of the machine. If they won't, they must accept the blame for their actions.

Imagine a world in which the majority of people DID boycott the most evil of companies and their actions.

What do you think would happen?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

82. disappointing, as 'Horses' is a great album

someone had to say it

[mitchum]

181. And she also had some real nut job theories about UFOs...

not to mention that whole campaigning for Nader in 2000 thing...

That being said, "Horses" is a brilliant album. And Patti is the only woman who ever convincingly rocked like the real deal. Great. I will probably start ANOTHER flamewar with that last statement. It's true, though.

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. These are just weasel words while they figure out how to politely

back away from it without losing more face. They know god damned well that that scene is bogus & they will have to defend it for years to come if they air it.

[me b zola]

70. That statement was like a stick in the eye

Debatable my arse!!! :grr:

[seabeyond]

16. we won,..... though not good enough. but it is a win n/t

[liberal N proud]

19. If it is not a documentary then why are they marketing it as docu-drama?

They need to change their marketing of the movie is this is not a documentary.

[catnhatnh]

20. Hmm, I watch MANY documentaries....

And many include information from published information,witnesses and other sources.Many contain recreations and representative characters and dialogue.What they DO NOT contain are easily provable LIES already refuted by an eyewitness to one of their scenes.This is not a documentary,as they now admit and neither is it a "dramatization"-dramatization is a technique of enhancing ones understanding of and appreciation for the facts of a historic event-call your piece what it is, ABC, a propaganda film by a republican willing to lie to shift blame from the current regime...

[TahitiNut]

21. "dramatization" - another word for PROPAGANDA

Cowardly fucking corporate whores! Lying bastards!

[stevedeshazer]

129. Words matter.

These propagandists seem to think that most people are stupid enough to turn on the basis of the changing of a single word, morphing "documentary" into "dramatization".

In my scary moments, I entertain the notion that maybe they are RIGHT. :grr:

[TahitiNut]

134. The corruption of language is a step toward tyranny.

So has it ALWAYS been.

No Republican has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

[Scout1071]

22. Next on ABC "Saddam Hussein...why did he attack America on 9/11?"

Warning: This is a docudrama made to look like a documentary, but is not actually based in fact, although we realize that most people in the audience will recognize as fact.

[Cogito ergo doleo]

24. A few facts, a little more fiction is the definition of disinformation

It's blended together to confuse and stupefy, and they're admitting it throughout the show. Incredible.

[PoiBoy]

26. Is there a basis for a complaint to the FCC?

..excellent work acmejack.., and it is a start, but it seems as if they don't really care about the facts, they are about profits and appeasement (per randi's show yesterday)..

as well as boycotting advertisers and our emails to the network and affiliates, it seems as though a bigger hammer is needed... probably not in time to prevent the airing of this mockudrama, but to certainly make the "deciders" and their boards of directors to sit up and take notice...

the fundies are always complaining to the FCC, so is there a basis for a complaint here? does anyone here know?

:hi:

[EVDebs]

30. Maybe Ptech/GoAgile is monitoring the FCC's computers as well

as the FAA's and DOD's and WH's

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2059303&mesg_id=2063520

Does ABC have a contract with Ptech/GoAgile ? It would be interesting to find out...

[librechik]

28. VICTORY

sure, not far enough, but "a" victory.

Keep pushing everybod. Remind them of the Reagan movie which was also "fictionalized" and yet removed from broadcastbecasue of complaints about its accuracy. Why not this?

[seabeyond]

29. i am sending this to scholastics. this is dramatization, not

documentary. letting them know it is not to be used as a tool in my boys education. no dramatization as an educational tool.

[Vinca]

31. Except, of course, it is way too close to an election for a major

network to air a program that might sway the electorate one way or another, especially since it is "fiction." Not good enough - I'm still boycotting ABC and its sponsors.

[mwooldri]

32. So is this affiliate going to pre-empt this program?

If they have any decency they'd pre-empt it with paid programming. Sell the space to Ronco or Oxywhatsit. Probably make them more money than airing this "docu-drama".

Mark.

[hvn_nbr_2]

33. They're feeling the heat

This answer is 95% bullshit, but it shows that they're feeling the heat.

If they told the truth, they'd say it's a Neocon Fantasyland fairy tale, designed and presented as propaganda.

[insane_cratic_gal]

34. Where was it written that at the 5 yr mark

Every media/entertainment business felt they could exploit 9/11 for profit and gain not to mention the coveted ratings?


What is the motivation? Right next to the Nov primaries not to mention a failing war with little support (do you hear war drums beating again?)

Why not wait 10, 15 yrs before they start exploiting tragedy?

It just has Republican Election conspiracy written all over it!!! SEE the people TRUST us to run the country and keep it safe. Although it happened in their watch, although we are now the most hated country in the world and even more vulnerable then before.

When they win an election without diebold, then I'll buy into the bullshit.

[Atman]

35. That is a totally bullshit disclaimer.

It essentially says that the whole movie is all basically true, and that they maybe made one guy's hair red instead of brown, and maybe the guy that handed Condi the Danish was actually a female, and you know, stuff like that, but the rest of it is TRUE, Scout's Honor!

[dogday]

36. Events will be dramatized to show Bush

in a favorable light and Clinton in an unfavorable light... Dramatized, just another way to lie about the facts.....

[madfloridian]

37. Glad to see the DNC getting involved in this.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/09/a_despicable_ir.php

A Despicable, Irresponsible Fraud

(DNC Executive Director, Tom McMahon, sent the following email to Democrats across the country today.)
Dear Fellow Democrat,

Does a major national broadcast network want to stain itself by presenting an irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent, "docu-drama" to the American public?

Not if you and I have the last word -- but either way, we're about to find out.

The ABC television network -- a cog in the Walt Disney empire -- unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new "docudrama" called "The Path to 9/11". ABC has thrown its corporate might behind the two-night production, and bills it as a public service: a TV event, to quote the ABC tagline, "based on the 9/11 Commission Report".

[EVDebs]

39. "A variety of disreputable and nefarious sources" ...disclaimer nt

[Subdivisions]

40. Tell them it's not good enough! I did! Here's what I said:

Keeping the pressure on!

You have taken a step in the right direction regarding the disclaimer for "Path to 9/11". Now, take the next step by pulling it from the schedule on the basis that it still portrays untruths about the level of responsibility of President Clinton with regard to the attacks that day. Bill Clinton took steps that were killed by the Republican Congress, dismissed as "totalitarian". Count the totalitarian measures implemented by the current administration since that day. I tried but most are secret.

Go back and tell them it's not good enough!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2055552&mesg_id=2055552

[warrens]

42. Nobody except wingnuts will be watching

But let's screw them to the wall and make them print a retraction. When you are alerted in advance that you are printing or broadcasting a falsehood, it's your DUTY to fix it. If they put in the part about troops in Afghanistan, knowing it is false, and the WP, knowing it is false, they are really fucking up.

[Yoda Yada]

43. They want to use the "including the 9/11 Commission Report" part of...

their statement to give their movie legitimacy.

They know many people will see THAT PART of the statement and ASSUME the movie is true. :banghead:

You would think that at least HALF of the 9/11 commission would SPEAK UP and object to BEING USED in promoting a movie containing half-truths and manipulated information. Has anyone asked them?

[seabeyond]

45. one commissioner spoke out agaisnt this. i sent this to scholastic

telling them my children are not to be taught by dramatization. abc came clean, would they?

[tjwash]

44. Fucking bullshit.

What it should say:

"although inspired by actual events, the following is fiction and should not be confused with actual documentaries about 9-11"

[zoeb]

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[mistertrickster]

191. Right, we need a list of all major sponsors PRONTO.

They're running it commercial-free, so we just go after ALL OF THEM.

They're either "with us or against us."

I don't have time to do it right now, but somebody step up to the plate for us on this.

Thank you in advance.

[TechBear_Seattle]

50. Since when does "dramatization" mean "blatant, outright partisan lies"?

Serious question here.

[pnorman]

54. Fair enough (as far as it goes).

But had they aired "Fahrenheit 9-11", they'd have had far greater justification for doing so, and it would have required far fewer "weasel words". I still have that Micharl Moore DVD somewhere, and I'll start searching for it. Since I don't watch TV anyhow, I'll watch THAT in place of that bogus docu-drama.

pnorman

[Evergreen Emerald]

118. Exactly

Remember that they only air "dramatizations" that favor the neo-con agenda. Propaganda machines.

[WinkyDink]

55. Will this "DISCLAIMER" be sent to the SCHOOLS?? I don't THINK so.

PLEASE print out and send to your children's school personnel: Social Studies Chairperson; Principal; Superintendent.

[fooj]

58. Take a look at this...it's unfrickingbelievable.

http://content.scholastic.com/browse/lessonplan.jsp?id=415

It's all propaganda! It really frightens me. I teach high school and there is NO WAY I am teaching this to my kids. NEVER.

[Pacifist Patriot]

59. Thank you!

[WinkyDink]

81. THANK YOU! I used to teach h.s. English, but I would NOT have kept

quiet about THIS!

[Jo March]

95. Then call them on it

Here is the link to send Scholastic a message:

http://scholastic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/scholastic.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

[seabeyond]

114. i did. at least four times. sent them message. also told hubby

tonight. and about the connection with scholastic. really disappointed. talking to sons at table they are to let me know if gets into school before i do. and that doesnt sound like scholastic at all. they are very oriented to teaching our kids.

[katinmn]

137. Thanks, Arnie. Sent a note

As both a parent and someone who grew up reading Scholastic magazine I am disappointed that Scholastic has joined ABC TV in its attempt to re-write history through its docu-drama, "Path to 9/11."

I'm angry that U.S. school children will be taught using material gathered by an ultra right-wing conservative screenwriter - Cyrus Nowrasteh - who, as an avowed conservative has spoken on a panel titled "How conservatives Can Lead Hollywood's Next Paradigm Shift."

It seems the fundamentalist, neocon, imperialistic Right's mission is accomplished now that its lies and propaganda are allowed to be openly taught in our public schools.

[seabeyond]

141. that.... is a kick ass letter. well done n/t

[katinmn]

152. Thanks. Corporate greed has taken over everything.

x(

[Jo March]

204. Is Scholastic a red company?

Or do they just want the NCLB money that I'm sure they'll get from the schools?

Nice to see you, Kat! :hi:

[katinmn]

205. Scholastic is certainly following the Right in its "news" stories

for children. I looked at some of its other stories about events (such as the Mexico election theft). Repeats all the same right wing points.

Good to see you. Need to get a better email address for you. Did you let your website go?

:hi:

[Jo March]

209. Interesting - and not in a good way

Yep, I let the site go. I'll PM you with a better email addy.

Kat: Arnie's favorite DUer. :loveya:

[katinmn]

224. Thanks. :-)

Hope to see you again soon, friend. :hug:

[WinkyDink]

145. I sent 3 different e-mails! I included Berger's and Clarke's statements,

AND ABC's own disclaimer.

And I asked how DARE they promote LIES and PROPAGANDA to children.

[Jo March]

210. Awesome~

:yourock:

[Erika]

193. I sent them a message

that they should not allow the Bush administration to revise history.

[Jo March]

220. Excellent!

:yourock:

[grizmaster]

212. another message sent

[Jo March]

221. W00T!

Up with the truth and down with truthiness! :D

[ScreamingMeemie]

140. When I click on the link it comes up "No Results Found"

:shrug:

[Sparkly]

184. Me too -- was it pulled? nt

[katinmn]

143. Hey fooj, which grade level? I'm on the curriculum page

but maybe they moved it.

[Subdivisions]

166. Does anyone know why this link no longer works? I've been

out and missed whatever was there. Don't want them teaching my kids a skewed view of history and using propoganda to do it.

[seabeyond]

167. try this one. it came up for me. the one you are trying did not

come up for me.

http://scholastic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/scholastic.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

[Sparkly]

190. "Customer Service" -- but where's the lesson plan? nt

[Jo March]

211. Maybe they were swamped with messages

I sincerely hope so.

[PegDAC]

197. This link leads to a

"Page Not Found". Apparently they're running scared.

[grizmaster]

208. It says no results found. Did they pull the propaganda already?

That would be a sign they're going to cave to the pressure.

[NoSheep]

218. I saw that crap yesterday. There is no content now when I click the link.

[Jo March]

97. And complain to Scholastic

http://scholastic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/scholastic.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

Don't forget them! :D

[wiley]

56. Wrong. It's still a free 2 Hour partisan hack pack of LIES We don't need

Now it is using the pretense that it is nevertheless based on "sources" that are supposed to make this Republican Crapfest tolerable or even ethical? Disney/ABC must recognize that a partisan hackpiece about a traumatic national event, that has subsequently been used by Republican parasites to advance their political agenda is not acceptable. It's an attack with a pointed stick on the American people. Why not just run a mini-series on the women in Ken Mehlman's life and call it a look at the life of an important politician?

None of their shows or advertizers are acceptable anymore. We will continue to let them know.

[Initech]

61. So, um, answer me these questions:

1. Why was ABC previously billing this movie as a factual documentary?

2. Why are they only giving the other side a ten minute rebuttal?

3. Why is Scholastic involved and what purpose do they get distributing this thing to our schools complete with lesson plans?

[seabeyond]

64. ya..... why? n/t

[WinkyDink]

86. #3--->$$$$$ from Bushco for NCLB materials/contracts.

[Jo March]

98. Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner!!

:thumbsup:

[Initech]

107. They'll probably use Neil Bush's ADD-enducing projectors to show it!

It all makes sense now!

[helderheid]

62. "several emails" yea... RIGHT

[LoZoccolo]

63. I'm going to make a movie where ABC executives snort tons of cocaine...

...and sell weapons to radical groups and solicit prostitutes, but oh, it's just a dramatization and not a documentary, so it'll be alright.

[WinkyDink]

87. As long as the dopers are "composites"!

[Canuckistanian]

65. That's like saying "Triumph of the Will" is not a documentary

It's still top-notch propaganda.

[WilliamPitt]

66. Stinking pile of bullshit

[yorkiemommie1]

67. ABC gets an "F" from me

this concoction of lies is still slanted towards the rw & the sheeple will fall for it hook, line and sinker. heck, some of them think 'reality tv' is REAL!

edited subject line.

[LynneSin]

89. "F" you say? That's too generous

they get an "INCOMPLETE" for not even attempting to do something to correct this.

[Mike03]

68. Inadequate

But at least it's obvious they are feeling the sting. We have to keep stinging them.

[gully]

69. Are they going to air F911 with a "disclaimer" afterwards?

NO. F-ABC!

[Totally Committed]

71. Wow, that sucks!

I can tell they've all been told how to respond. My guess is the answer I get from my ABC affiliate will be much the same. Shame on them!

TC

[glitch]

72. ABC affiliates are so screwed. They should issue their own disclaimers.

And those disclaimers should be brutally honest. Of course they won't, but wouldn't it be encouraging if they did? Or they could refuse to air it. Put local programming on instead. Or run Farenheit 911.

[MasonJar]

73. Please stop arguing with each other. We are on the same side.

It is time for another round of letters to sponsors and ABC.

[YankeyMCC]

75. BS!

It's unfortunate but even "Fiction" is taken as truth by many people.

[pa28]

76. OK ABC. Then where did the Sandy Berger scene come from?

Did it come from the 911 report, personal interviews, "other published material" or did Cyrus just make it up for the sake of revisionist history?

The producer should back up his claims before he's allowed to slander the Clinton administration with a "fictionalized scene for dramatic purposes".

[theophilus]

77. "Terrorism works for George Bush".....T. Blankley Yup! This sort

of propaganda being catapulted right now is calculated to keep the Neo-Conzis in power. And it, along with Bush screaming Osama! Terra! Etc!, will probably do the trick. Because the people of this great land think Repugs do better in the War On Terror than Democrats by a five to one margin. MORONS.

Thousands die in this nation every year due to Corporate and Neo-Conzi policies. Nobody bats an eye. MORONS.

I guess "we" get the government we deserve. I wish I could go to a better place.

[lisby]

78. Not good enough. And I'm off to tell them so. nt

:mad:


Lisby

[OhioChick]

79. Not acceptable. n/t

[Joey Liberal]

80. Not good enough ABC n/t

[yy4me]

83. Did I hear this right? An ad during Lou Dobbs for this program

said this presentation was UNCUT. Does that not imply that it is real, official, too important to be changed or embellished in any way? Maybe I missed part of what was said.

[saracat]

84. Not good enough. It portrays untruths.Principals featured deny

portrayal of incidents. This is an opinion piecece and should be identified as such actually the word is fictionalized!

[The River]

85. Write AND call Local ABC Affiliates

After emailing ABC directly from work and home
I did the same thing with the local station.
I listed their local advertisers and told
the station manager I would be calling each of their clients
and tell them why I will start boycotting their stores/services.

[jarnocan]

90. IMHO they should clarify that it is a right wing view

and point out any and all specific lies, and what else is conjecture. Then also show one of the other 911 films availble on the net. They could do the same thing point out anything that is NOT factual and what is likely to be true. such as this http://www.911truth.org/ http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

or https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

[WinkyDink]

91. Interesting tactic: ADD fictionalized Clinton stuff; OMIT FACTUAL

Bush stuff.

[The Backlash Cometh]

92. Not good enough. They need to add to the disclaimer:

This is a right-wing wet dream.

[ChicagoRonin]

93. Contact those who made the movie (as directly as you can)

The Director: David L. Cunnigham
(Contact information available through IMDBpro)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0192289/contact
Photo: ?path=pgallery&path_key=Cunningham,%20David%20L.

The Writer: Cyrus Nowrasteh
(Contact information available through IMDBpro)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0637493/contact
Photo: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0637493

Producer: Marc E. Platt
(Contact information available through IMDBpro)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0686887/contact
Photo: ?path=pgallery&path_key=Platt,%20Marc%20E.

Production Company: UHP Productions

[ChicagoRonin]

94. Follow-Up

Just to make the present situation even more annoying, check out the "A Better Community" section of the ABC homepage.
http://abc.go.com/abettercommunity/index.html

Under it's 'Spotlight' section is this:
SPOTLIGHT

It's been five years since the tragic events of September 11th changed our world and daily living forever. The tragedy of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon will forever resonate in the minds of all of us. And, it's with hope and perseverance, that we remember and honor those who were so violently taken, as well as those individuals who have given so compassionately to the ongoing recovery. This fifth anniversary reminds us of our constant need to come together as citizens and as human beings to rebuild and create A Better Community.

There are many organizations that seek to capture the strength and pride of this country while remembering the importance of that day:

To learn more click here.

[progressoid]

99. Like "The Reagans" was a dramatization? Gimme a break.

[Bitwit1234]

100. Path to 9/11

Since Wes Clark, Sandy Berger and Madeline Albright say they never took part in any such discussion and actions as portrayed in the video, why did they add that. And since I heard those three are thinking of sueing for libel ABC better watch out, maybe Disney won't own it for long. I know one thing if they portray the democrats in a negative way that did not happen we ought to get an ACLU lawyer and add our name. Then make the courts bring one lawsuit for slander and libel after the other right up to election. I wouldn't doubt one bit that roves dirty filthy hand and brain is not in this.

[zreosumgame]

101. no matter what weasel words they use

KEEP IT OUT OF THE CLASSROOM!

[jaysunb]

102. Too bad your target audience can't read.

:evilfrown:

[AwakeAtLast]

103. {{snicker}} Good one!

:D

[AlCzervik]

105. If that paragraph is read when it flashes on screen in 2pt font the only

words people will see is "The 9/11 commission report" and they will ASSume it's an accurate depiction of the events--thats not good enough ABC.

[Name removed]

106. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Sapere aude]

116. I guess it the discovery channel told you Superman flew past the twin

towers on 9/11 you'd believe that too.


It doesn't much matter what the truth is to someone like you because you will believe what you want to. I discount your opinion.

[seabeyond]

124. i know the sudan thing has been debunked. the other one they

had one source. just one. and it would be killing a lot of innocent without knowing if they would/could get bin laden. may be acceptable to you. not to me. further in climate of pre 9/11 decidedly different from today, obviously and of course.

wouldnt you agree

[WinkyDink]

148. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the U.S." That's all you need

to damn Bush. PERIOD.

[Bushladen]

164. If

Bin Laden was to blame for 9/11 why doesn't it show on the FBI's laundry list for him? The real lie is that Bin Laden was behind 9/11. The real truth is Cheney is behind the attacks. Bush is too stupid to tie his own shoes let alone plan 9/11. I hope they also show Bush saying he saw the first plane hit that morning. That is a lie unless he saw it from his limo. So ya see Bill Clinton not catching OBL had nothing to do with 9/11

[PegDAC]

199. Everyone involved in PNAC

is to blame for 9/11/2001.

[muesa]

108. DUers in the San Francisco Bay Area --

the local ABC affiliate is KGO - KGO is Karel, KGO is Jonanth Rothmann, KGO is RJ Purimun, KGO is Bernie Ward, KGO is Ray Taliafero. The station WE DUers support can do better then this.

[cboy4]

174. Do you listen to Bernie Ward? Do you know what his position is on this

movie?

Lets not lose our minds and punish the radio personalities who are completely on our sides.

This place has gone insane.

[muesa]

229. I have heard Bernie, and Ray, and Jon

They are on our side.

[DeepModem Mom]

111. Then WHY THE HELL does all of this work only to tar CLINTON...

leaving Bush unscathed? I understand that there is implied criticism of the Bush administration, BUT NOT HIS ROYAL SELF. This is disgusting.

[cyberpj]

112. DEMS HAD BETTER RESPOND TO THIS VIA NEWS BYTES. That is all. nt

[Straight Shooter]

113. Who is paying for this mockumentary/hackamentary, ABC?

Spill it. Whose deep pockets is funding this bucketful of bush diapers?

[MADem]

123. Well, Disney owns the hellhole that is ABC

Ya know, anyone in NEW YORK oughta visit their stupid morning show and make a little NOISE....

[Pacifist Patriot]

115. I won't be satisfied until one of two things happens.

ABC pulls the disgusting thing

OR

Airs a disclaimer before and after every commercial break that says clearly..."This is a piece of ridiculous political propaganda with very little to no basis in fact. Shame on you for watching this tripe."

[MADem]

120. But there are NO COMMERCIALS...they are airing it WITHOUT

It's a fucking six hour GOP ad...and I hope Albright and Burger sue: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/disneyabc-flat-out-refused-to-provide.html


Republican bloggers, Disney/ABC is happy to give them complementary advance copies of its error-riddled TV show about September 11. But when the actual people slandered in the tv show ask to see advance copies, Disney/ABC says no.

I have a law degree. And you enter very interesting legal territory when someone expresses concern about the veracity of your TV show and you refuse to provide them with a copy in advance, yet provide copies to others. Okay, I'm being too polite. Albright wrote Disney/ABC and told them, flat-out, that the malfeasance they attribute to her is absolutely untrue. Disney/ABC has refused to even respond to her. (Sandy Berger wrote Disney/ABC as well.)

By doing this, Disney/ABC is making it impossible for Clinton, Albright or Berger to correct any errors (read: defamation) in the show before it airs. That's negligent on the part of Disney/ABC, and it certainly suggests malice as well - i.e., the opposite of a good faith effort to get the story right, or in this case, an affirmative desire to keep the story wrong.

I hope Clinton, Albright and Berger sue the hell out of Disney/ABC when this show airs.

[bliss_eternal]

155. Exactly, did they think we were going to just sit still for this...?

:mad:

[Pacifist Patriot]

158. Yes, I know.

It was sarcasm. That's why I doubt they could ever satisfy me.

I agree with you. I hope they sue the crap out of them!

[smitty]

119. History repeats itself, first as a tragedy then as a farce.

Sauce for the goose.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102110,00.html

[Wanet]

122. Here is my letter to our local ABC affiliate:

I am writing to respectfully request that KXTV refrain from presenting “The Path to 911” on September 10 and 11. The reasons for my request are as follows:

1. In view of the 3,000 who died on Sept. 11, 2001, it is undignified and exploitive to present an entertainment program to capitalize on the tragedy. How would you feel about this movie if one of your family members had been a victim of the attack?

2. This movie has been put forward as a “docu-drama”, when in fact it presents an inaccurate and biased view of what happened. The facts of the movie are not drawn from the 911 Commission Report, as advertising materials have claimed. Several members of the Clinton Administration have come forward and indicated that scenes in the movie never happened or were inaccurate. The movie presents the Clinton Administration as having a weak stance on terrorism, while the Bush Administration are portrayed as strong and resolute in their treatment of terrorism.

3. This is a propaganda piece planned by the Administration through Disney/ABC, to be presented shortly before November midterm elections. No doubt they hope it will rally Republican voters and prevent the Democrats from taking back Congress. It is inappropriate for a media outlet such as KXTV, who pride yourselves in objective and factual news reporting and tasteful entertainment programming to take part in this partisan exercise, and basically present a four-hour commercial for the Bush Administration on the anniversary of our greatest national tragedy.

This is wrong. Thank you for taking the “high road” and refraining from the network presentation of “The Path to 911.”

--Wanet

[Straight Shooter]

157. Very good letter.

I wouldn't have used "respectfully" because they don't deserve it, but I commend you for a thoughtful response to their blatant exploitation of the tragedy.

:thumbsup:

[seabeyond]

159. sincerely. since i dont feel respect while typing these letters out

and i am anally honest, i use sincerely

[bridgit]

125. it is simply not enough...go back and start all over ABC, start by...

firing this fool of an apologist: Patti C. Smith, she is clearly far & away over paid for her wiles

[samsingh]

126. yes - fantasy drawn from extreme right wing sources and fools

by a foolish, propaganda network.

[katinmn]

128. The disclaimer omitted the fact that the screenwriter, uber-conservative

Cyrus Nowrasteh is, according to Act for Change, "an avowed conservative who has spoken on a panel entitled "How Conservatives Can Lead Hollywood's Next Paradigm Shift."

That omission in their disclaimer amounts to a cover up.

Keep up the pressure!

Here's a link to Act for Change's action page:
ABC: Tell the Truth About 9/11

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=21317&afccode=n69txt

[kurth]

136. This Paradigm Shifter Nowrasteh should be mentioned more often

ABC has something to hide if they're not even mentioning his name.

[bridgit]

138. indeed so, drag these ilk out from their shadow lands & expose them...

[katinmn]

144. Yes! Let's see some investigative reports on the neocon who wishes

to turn young minds. I want to see his connections to ABC brass and the WH, if any.

[bridgit]

147. exactly correct, i want to know who PUT HIM THERE...

x(

[kurth]

150. Nowrasteh: "I commend ABC because they have continually asked me to be as

truthful and honest as I can be... The red states have televisions and movie theatres too, and a lot of times they get put off by Hollywood’s overt political agenda, so I try to avoid that... (Michael Moore) is an out of control socialist weasel."

http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/index.php?p=462

[katinmn]

156. He says in the interview that he is playing to Red states

:puke:

[bridgit]

168. you mean people who get off on being lied to...

[seabeyond]

142. such a hard name to spell. i will never remember it n/t

[samsingh]

132. then can we put on a dramatization of events the way we see them

don't judge us about bashing BUSH or President Clinton until after the movie is played - maybe 2 days before the election.

[samsingh]

133. shouldn't ABC give us equal time to air a docudrama too?

say 2 days before the elections?

[Zambero]

135. 9/11 should NEVER be an appropriate event for "dramatization"

The use of the term dramatization is nothing more a license to bend, stretch, or distort actual events to feed a partisan agenda. So if the actual facts of events leading up to 9/11 don't create the proper impression, just go ahead and concoct whatever ideology-based revisionism is required to get the job done. This will (hopefully) dupe the viewing public to accept your version of what you wished was true but is in fact NOT true. Mission Accomplished!

[adamuu]

139. wow... well said

what a perfectly-worded comment.
thanks for that.

[WinkyDink]

149. Well, we've already had the "Let's roll!" movie fiction.

[TankLV]

146. Can we then have a "fictional" scene where bush* DELIBERATELY IGNORES

all advice to prevent 911, and HIGHLIGHTS his cozy relationship with OBL's family?

At least it would be closer to the TRUTH!

[bliss_eternal]

153. That statement is blatant bullshit!

:mad::grr::eyes:

They must think we're all stupid...

[ikojo]

160. I sent ABC an e mail and added my thoughts

I used the form e mail and added some additional comments:

Why was the film not screened before more liberal audiences and bloggers such as Markos Moulitsas?

snip

Many Americans will take this one sided docudrama to be the truth of what happened on 9/11/01. If you are going to show this very biased movie, then when can I expect to see Loose Change on ABC?

Republicans, Democrats, Greens and even socialists DIED on 9/11/01. Their memory deserves more than a right-wing pro Bush interpretation of events.

I'm now very happy ABC has pulled out of their agreement with Mel Gibson to do a Holocaust miniseries, if this miniseries is any indication of how ABC views history I'm afraid the powers that be would allow Ernst Zundel to do the script!

[Time for change]

161. That's not good enough - not by a long shot

"For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes ..."

In addition to "dramatic and narrative purposes" it should add "political purposes".

One doesn't put stuff in a movie that puts unfair blame on a President of the United States, while letting the real culprit(s) of scott free for "dramatic and narrative purposes".

That is pure bullshit :grr:

[Maestro]

162. All fine and dandy

but why do the "dramatized" parts seem to implicate Clinton, a democrat, during an election year. Given the fact that the producer is a right-wing hack, the statement is incredulous.

[LuckyLib]

163. I have a question for ABC: If you're putting on a TV show about actual

events, and what you are portraying is not true, why are you doing it? There can only be one answer.

[seabeyond]

165. then feeding it to the kids in the schools across the nation n/t

[newportdadde]

169. Maybe local ABC affiliates won't show it like Saving Private Ryan.

Anyone else remember that about a year ago, our cheese ABC affiliate in KC wouldn't show Saving Private Ryan because of some bullshit reason.

[newportdadde]

170. Maybe local ABC affiliates won't show it like Saving Private Ryan.

Anyone else remember that about a year ago, our cheese ABC affiliate in KC wouldn't show Saving Private Ryan because of some bullshit reason.

There were several more across the country too.

[PADemD]

171. My Pet Goat

Does the movie show Bush sitting for 7 minutes after being told of the attack?

[bridgit]

176. how did that turn out? did the goat finally become CEO of ENRON?

[NotGivingUp]

172. fuck you abc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[minnesota_liberal]

177. Have programmed my TV to skip past our local ABC affiliate

Good riddance. I can do without ABC just fine, thank you.

[seabeyond]

178. boston legal. i dont watch much tv. but but but

ya i know

[scarface2004]

179. is this the movie where bush points

his 44 magnum at bin laden s face and sez 'do you feel lucky punk...did he fire 5 shots or 6? well in all the confusion i lost count myself..so you have to ask yourself, do you feel lucky?' 'well do ya punk?!' and blows osama s head clean off!! i read it in the 911 commission report.

[what now toons]

182. Pinocchio caught lying ( my next cartoon)

History should not be rewritten to please the political party that holds power, this is the first step towards an Orwellian world. I am very disappointed that the Disney Company, a unique American company would give up it's truly American values to support a partisan lie. The effect on the Disney brand could be devastating. As a stock holder I implore you to reconsider airing this partisan lie.
This was my letter to ABC, We really don't need a list of advertisers ( although they should be pressured with boycots as well) when we have the big daddy of them all. The Disney Brand. Whatever ABC does, so does Disney.
www.whatnowtoons.com

[Sparkly]

183. A "dramatization... drawn from a variety of sources"

That STILL implies factual truth. Nothing wrong with actors "dramatizing" things that happened, but the "variety of sources" includes their IMAGINATIONS!!!!

:mad:

[jean]

185. This 'dramatization' is being shopped to schools, complete with

study guides for teachers to push on their students. Heads up, parents - you'll have to fight this crap right in your own school districts.

ABC is aiding, abetting and probably underwriting the spread of propaganda in this country. And we're supposed to be suspicious of Al Jazeera?

[Festivito]

187. It's mendacious divisive slander that divides Americans against each other

The drama and fiction all build a partisan political movie that is not, just, not the truth, it is the known opposite of the truth.

And its release was denied to high profile persons it thusly wrongfully accused. Despite being sent to high and low profile persons who could desire its partisan political untruths.

These ABC actions are egregious to the point of being un-american. Dividing Americans one against another for the sake of dramatizing events opposite of known truth. I want to relay a jaw-dropped SHAME on you and everyone who failed to realize this.

[mistertrickster]

188. Dear Patti--F*CK YOU!

[NMMNG]

195. What a BS cop-out!

The Path to 9/11 is a dramatization, not a documentary,

To the true-believers "dramatization" means dramatic retelling of factual events.




drawn from a variety of sources, including the 9/11 commission report, other published materials and from personal interviews.


As if there is one fact in the 9/11 Commission Report. :eyes:




The following disclaimer will air throughout the movie:
The following movie is a dramatization that is drawn from a variety of sources including the 9/11 Commission Report and other published materials, and from personal interviews. The movie is not a documentary. For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression."


And the Kool-aid drinkers are going to read, "This is a documentary, but we fictionalized a few scenes to make it more dramatic".



Thank you for contacting me regarding your concerns.


"Thank you for letting me brush you off. If you had wanted real action perhaps you should have claimed to be a persecuted Christian. " :sarcasm:





Screw them.

[PegDAC]

196. Then air a freaking disclaimer!! n/t

[young_at_heart]

198. Will the children who watch it realize it is a "dramatization"?

As a former teacher, I can tell you that the answer is NO. The secrecy about the movie by ABC is worth looking into.

[DallasNE]

200. the movie contains fictionalized scenes

Not good enough by far.

It leaves the viewer unaware of which scenes are based on the 9/11 Commission Report and which ones are pure fiction. Given that is contains "fictionalized scenes" what value does it have in the classroom? Hint, none. It is yellow journalism of the worst kind.

Boycott the sponsors of this movie.

[hobbit709]

201. My email to Kvue

Your "fictional dramatization" "The Path To 9/11" is another example of why I believe that ABC stands for Anything But Class. A dramatization should at least be based on real events-not the fantasies of a RW hack writer. The only real thing about this is the events on 9/11-everything else is total fiction. I will not watch this garbage nor will I purchase anything from any adverisers that sponsor it and I will urge everyone I know to do the same.

[Liberal Dose]

202. NOT ENOUGH

[Ganja Ninja]

203. Fictionalized scenes?

That's nice way to describe outright lies and fabrications designed to mislead viewers and assign blame where none is due. It's slander and I hope they get sued.

[sui generis]

207. can't wait until they play the Bush Assassination movie

I'm sure they don't have a problem with that.

Actually they'd love it - ratings blow out.

[zanne]

213. But those are big words!

And since when does the American TV-viewing public read?

[Chimichurri]

214. Now it's a dramatization? Thought it was a docudrama.

[gauguin57]

216. ABC will never take this off air. Our side needs its own 9/11 documentary

I'm afraid no matter how many emails they get ... ABC has promoted this to the skies, and they're not gonna not run it.

The best we're probably gonna get is a disclaimer, which should be STRONGLY WORDED, and broadcast every 15 minutes. It should be strongly labeled "a fictionalized account."

Then, someone should make a REAL documentary about "the path to 9/11," with RICHARD BEN-VENISTE, BOB KERREY, et al (Dems. from 9/11 commission) as consultants. Maybe Richard Clarke, too.

AND, someone should do a documentary about PNAC, and run it the same week.

[JPZenger]

219. Make a Docudrama of Disney Execs Having Sex With Sheep

I suggest someone make a "docudrama" to post on youtube.com of Disney and ABC executives having sex with sheep. Then, we can add a disclaimer that it is not actually supposed to include facts, that it is dramatized.

This incident is not surprising. The same Disney execs killed the the deal that their subsidiary, Miramax, had to distribute Fahrenheit 9-11 in the theaters in mid-2004.

[MADem]

226. Ah, yes, a mockumentary...maybe SCHOLASTIC will pick it up!!!!

:rofl:

A cautionary tale of what happens to little boys and girls if they are selfish, unkind bastards and grow up to be neo-con shills...they end up having carnal relations with sheep!!!!!

Maybe a a question on the topic will be folded into the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND state competency tests!!!

Q. What happens to little boys and girls who are selfish and mean?

A. They are pitied by more altruistic people.

B. They could be targets of revenge by those they've injured.

C. They grow up to be sheep-fucking corporate executives.

D. All of the above.

[sentelle]

223. The answer is this:

The only thing that is fair is this:

On every scene that is in any way fictitious, they should add (at the bottom of the screen) a disclaimer

Disclaimer: this didn't really happen
Disclaimer: this is an amalgam of things, and didn't happen exactly this way.

On every scene that diverges from the 9/11 commission report. EVERY SCENE. (I figure we will never know what really happened, but at least the commission report is something they can refer to with something close to impartiality).

Either that or boycott every advertiser that advertises on any ABC program (or their affiliates). I mean every program. Including "Lost", "Boston Legal" etc.

[MADem]

227. DANCING WITH THE STARS--it's their FLAGSHIP

And I will admit, it's the only thing I watch on that channel. WHY? Because it is the rare show that entertains everyone in the household from five to ninety. You can get four generations in front of the TV and they all like it.

But hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. Click.

Fuckers!

[complain jane]

232. Pity they couldn't find a way to work the word Swiftboat into the title...