Has Bush gone over the Edge?

[Virginia Dare]

he did a while ago in my opinion. Why doesn't Poppy pull the plug?

I do like this quote by Dr. Justin Frank:

I have not examined the President, so it is not proper for me to offer a diagnosis. However, my observations lead me to believe that he is psychotic.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content2/2006/09/has_bush_gone_over_the_edge.html

[Captain Hilts]

1. Capitol Hill Blue is not a reliable source. nt

[Virginia Dare]

Wasn't posting it as "news"...n/t

[seemslikeadream]

15. At one time it was

Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=602189

[ixion]

2. yeah, he went over the edge a long, long time ago

and have never returned, IMO.

[madokie]

11. prolly his first lsd trip done it

[ixion]

12. nah... don't blame the acid

it was Babs' manly mothering that did it, IMO.

[madokie]

33. upon further thought I believe you are right

The dude was born out of plumb no bouht a douth it

[Liberal Veteran]

3. You've seen video. If that's good enough for Frist to make a diagnosis...

...then what the heck?

[BlueJazz]

4. Geez...It's getting pretty bad when the only redeming trait in a ....

..President is the fact that He likes to Fart.

:rofl:

[grasswire]

5. if you watch his face in his Tuesday speech...

...you'll see that he's crazy as a bedbug. Seriously. His eyes glitter, he can barely control his face. He's insane.

[Virginia Dare]

14. I've thought that since watching the debates...

in 2004. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde ain't got nothin on old Georgie.

If you look at video of him when he was Governor of Texas, he wasn't that way. Big-time asshat yes, but not a crazy psychotic koo-koo. Wonder what happened?

Is it the stress, or is his mind just deteriorating?

[grasswire]

39. someone said the disconnect is the result of...

...trying to keep the lies straight. He's so afraid he'll accidentally reveal something horrid to us that he's gone bonkers.

[0007]

6. Cuz poppy is nuttier than a fucking Snicker's candy bar.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

9. Excellent picture! Now how do we make that into a bumpersticker??

(and I also agree with your sentiment, especially since you put it so delicately...):rofl:

[orpupilofnature57]

7. Impeachment is a hell of a prognosis !Fuck Shrub ,lets worry about America

and how this last bout of Affluenze has stricken the whole world.

[Sadie5]

8. Too bad

We had to endure almost six years of this maniac before someone did something about his mental state.

[Phredicles]

10. Dr. Frank's book "Bush on the Couch" is a very important work,

and now it sounds like his subject is even further gone. If his Pops, a man not noted for his human feeling, is concerned, that should be taken as a sign that Shrub is in bad, bad shape.

On a side note, as a Latin teacher, the reference to the Dear Leader as a "poor man's Cicero" struck me as :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Marie26]

13. But can't he make up his mind?

First he says Bush is narcissistic, then paranoid schizophrenic, now psychotic. Is he just throwing every mental illness out there?

[TahitiNut]

16. I don't see anything inconsistent in those.,

(Caveat: I am not a professional in mental health.)

Junior is, and has been, the poster boy for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. When such a malady not only goes unchecked but exists in a job that offers a narcissistic supply beyond all imagining, we're off the charts of any ordinary case. It is a malady that's unbounded - an insatiable demand for feedback and reaction, without which he fears personal annihilation - ceasing to exist. That core, deep-seated fear, unchecked and fed, can lead to consequential mental illness. When I've said that locking him away in a padded cell in solitary confinement would lead to a "meltdown" ... that's not mere hyperbole. He's headed for a meltdown no matter what happens. That's even why I say that the fascist right will have him 'martyred' before the 2008 election - they don't have an alternative, given their goals and zeal. As an ex-pResident, he'd be a complete disaster for anyone and everyone associated with him.

[Marie26]

18. They're totally different disorders

Narcissism is a personality disorder, like antisocial, avoidant, etc. Left unchecked, the narcissistic disorder can spiral downward into breakdown & even psychosis, which is what I think we're seeing with Bush. But schizophrenia is a completely different disorder - it is a mental illness which creates strong, unmistakeable symptoms in early adulthood that Bush has shown no sign of. A person who's NPD won't be schizophrenic & vice versa. When Franks floated that idea, I lost a little faith in his diagnosis of Bush.

[TahitiNut]

22. I think the paranoid schizophrenia ...

... is a secondary malady resulting from long-term substance abuse ... and the substance abuse itself was a behavior stemming from the NPD ("acting out"). While, like you, I don't credit the diagnosis of P.S. as well-substantiated as NPD (and resulting psychosis), I don't think it can be discarded nor do I think Frank is to be dismissed due to such observations.

[Virginia Dare]

23. Good post, I totally agree...n/t

[Tellurian]

25. You bring up a valid point, Tahiti Nut

actually, 2 valid points-

(1)"That's even why I say that the fascist right will have him 'martyred' before the 2008 election - they don't have an alternative, given their goals and zeal. (2) As an ex-pResident, he'd be a complete disaster for anyone and everyone associated with him."

Bush's upbringing has alot to do with his state of mind today. A delusional mother, a very strict hypercritical father. His reliance on following directions as to what to do and say. Never being allowed to think for himself and rationalize situations to assess information, process it and come to conclusions on his own..

(1)Bush has become a huge LIABILITY to the Republican Party. AFATC, a total failure of a planned seamless takeover of our government. After all, they spent years developing think tanks, took all the time in the world to refine the PNAC agreement. Then handing their thoughts over to a robotic "figurehead" followed up with daily briefings as to what has to be done next. To the average person, this alone would be an over the top stressful situation, similar to being a POW at Gitmo or Vietnam. Only in this case, a prisoner of his so-called supporters, who, at this stage of the game, have become disenchanted with him and want to replace him before all is lost. Time is running out for them and I'm sure alternative strategies are the main topic of conversation with the word 'imperative' prefacing every board meeting.

You can imagine the pressure Bush is under from Cheney...Cheney, dangling at the end of Fitz's string, has gone into the 'everyman for themselves' mode. He must be aware, he isn't even a consideration by the board as a suitable replacement for Bush because his hands are dirty. But on the other hand, Cheney may break ranks seeking protection for himself by replacing Bush, claiming Presidential immunity as his Constitutional Right, saying, If anyone has a problem with that, let the SCOTUS sort it out.

(2)Imagine the fear struck in the hearts of those involved in the most nefarious activities in the history of the WH. Imagine their fear of Bush's total breakdown and he starts naming names...
A Holocaust of the Third kind. Totally and permanently ruining untold lives (well, too bad for them)
dwarfing Hitler's rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Bush's life isn't worth a nickel right now. Who can he trust when there is so much at stake?

His father better do what he's gotta do. Get him the Hell out of there before it's too late; for all of us.

[bdamomma]

17. bush is a danger to all of us, he needs to be removed

does anyone want this delusional man to take all of us down, there is such a thing as survival from this idiot. Why is everyone frozen not to do or say anything about Bush's mental state.

[Marie26]

19. Oh, he's mentally ill

I just don't think he's schizophrenic.

[Virginia Dare]

20. I agree with that...

however, drug use can cause a person to present the same symptoms. Personally, I think he has a personality disorder which is worsened by drug and alcohol abuse.

[bdamomma]

21. ok now that we all come to some same conclusion who can

we or someone bring forward, like how Joe Scarborough did it a few weeks ago, with his segment but I think it should be presented seriously, like would Keith Olbermann mention it, or has he? But, this shouldn't be sweep underneath a rug. Bush is clearly suffering from a "disorder" for all of our sakes he should be removed immediately.

[marions ghost]

24. sure

except we have no mechanism by which to do that. He would have to be totally nonfunctional. Right now they're propping him up pretty well, at least for public appearances. He always was a figurehead. There's nobody home too often in there now IMO. But he keeps getting by, by plugging into a rigid routine to cover the disassociative periods. His handlers keep up the illusion that the pResident is in control when the truth is he's been on autopilot for awhile. They succeeded in this with Reagan. Tony Snow has become the Mouth of Bush for anything other than canned speeches. The pResident is really disembodied now--his henchmen are moving all the puppet's body parts.

We deserve so much better than this Clown-in-Chief.

[Tellurian]

26. Bush has to resign and Cheney indicted..

Bush's resignation for 'health reasons'. Ahem..

Cheney indicted simultaneously, so they are removed together.

No, I'm not looking forward to Hastert as president, so, the block in the maze.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. Then we need to speak to the ? % , and ask them why they pulled the

lever for this Megalomaniac?

[Timmy5835]

29. You may not have to worry about that

The election is just 2 months away.

[Tellurian]

32. The "They" are well aware of that too..

Poppy has got to put his foot down and hold this whole thing together until the elections are over.
If he ever cared one iota for his son's life, he's got to be convinced, he has a duty, not only to his son, but an obligation to the country, to do what best for his son AND US!

[Timmy5835]

28. Consider..........

Pre-senile dementia. Look at how he spoke as Governor as apposed to today. Truely frighting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. The problem is that he's pushed the nation over the edge of a cliff.

Into a conflagration called the Middle East.

[leftyladyfrommo]

31. Really. I think there a whole bunch of sociopaths that found

each other. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rove. They are all cut out of the same cloth. And it has been a major disaster for our country.

[mmonk]

34. The whole country has. Our last chance to pull it back is at hand.

[bdamomma]

35. Seriously I wonder if they all lived in dysfunctional families.

too much analyzing on my part but you have to wonder about it, we know already about bush and his relationship with his mother and father, and one of Rove's parents committed suicide I thought I heard that, what about Cheney and Rummy, these guys have many skeletons in their closets.

early history of rove:

http://www.newsreview.com/reno/Content?oid=oid%3A36513

early history of rumsfeld

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/donald-rumsfeld/

early history of cheney

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/dick-cheney/

this maybe interesting to you guys also: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/

these guys are nothing but criminals and come from a sorted past.

[TahitiNut]

36. That's the new cult of the "normal"

After all, "normal" and "average" are worshipped by the C-czar. Sneer at the 'A's and 'B's! The "average" individual health, either physical or mental, isn't very good. It's obese and codependent, ridden with cancer and greed/ambition.

When I was a kid, we escaped our 'nuclear' dysfunctional families by going to public school and hanging out at friends' houses. Our grandparents and aunts and uncles were nearby. Walking a couple miles or biking 5-10 miles was typical. Today, with home-schooling all the rage, and the job-hunters moving to the 'greener pastures' of other states, I shudder at the coming generation of control freaks without their own inner compasses.

[Disturbed]

38. "Bush is clearly suffering from a "disorder"

He doesn't seem to be "suffering" at all. In fact, he seems to be having a grand time. He is a Silverspoon Sociopath and goes on vacation more than any other Prez in the History of the US. He also thinks that he is a comdedian. His skits and jokes are a real clue to his personality.

[EstimatedProphet]

37. Is it Bush or is it the philosophy?

Both, probably...

Clearly Bush is not a sound individual. However, if we don't start making the case that the fascist racist idealogy of the Neocons is what really has crippled our nation, then they will blame Bush for all the problems and claim that he was the one that fucked up, not the policy. And we'll be stuck with the same crap still, because the average American is a sucker for thier simplistic cartoonish worldview.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

40. He was born dangling off the edge.

Never looked back.