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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:36 PM
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Democrats, Along With Wesley Clark, Release the 'Neo Con' Report
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 01:46 PM by bigtree
September 5, 2006

DEMOCRATS—JOINED BY GENERAL WESLEY CLARK—RELEASE NEW REPORT ON BUSH NATIONAL SECURITY FAILURES

Third Way report makes clear dangerous cost of Bush Republican policies, need to change course

Washington, DC — With President Bush touring the country on a new public relations campaign designed to sell his national security policies to the American people, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin, House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, and Senator Thomas Carper today joined General Wesley Clark and Sharon Burke, Director of the Third Way National Security Project to release "the Neo Con," a new report analyzing the dangerous effects Republican policies have had on the security of the nation. Prepared by Third Way, the study is a damning indictment of Bush Republican failure and incompetence that has left America less safe five years after September 11, 2001.

The new report throws the national security failures of the Bush Administration and its rubberstamp Republican Congress into harsh relief. Shockingly, despite repeated rhetoric from the White House citing the new realities of the post-9/11 world, Bush Republican incompetence has left America vulnerable in an increasingly unstable world. Bogged down in Iraq with its military stretched thin, America now finds itself less able to fight and win the war on terror. Around the world, Afghanistan, Iran, and North Korea have grown more dangerous. Meanwhile, terrorist attacks around the world have rapidly multiplied.

“We took a hard look at the numbers,” said Burke, “and the numbers don’t lie – the Bush strategy is not working.”

With the five-year anniversary of the September 11th attacks fast approaching, the report serves as a sobering reminder that the President and his Republican Congress have failed to learn the lessons of that terrible day. In a study cited in "the Neo Con," 86% of National Security experts interviewed by the Center for American Progress and Foreign Policy magazine rate the world as more dangerous for the US and Americans; 83% disagree that the United States is winning the war on terror. A copy of “the Neo Con” can be found online here.

“The facts do not lie,” said Senator Reid today. “Under the Bush Administration and this Republican Congress, America is less safe, facing greater threats, and unprepared for the dangerous world in which we live. This new report is a stunning indictment of Bush foreign policy, and it makes a clear case for the new direction we need to keep America safe.”

“This report makes clear that the policies of the Bush Administration have failed to make the American people as safe as they should be,” said House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi. “It provides compelling evidence that the war in Iraq has weakened our military, hindered efforts to defeat terrorism, and diverted attention and resources from crucial security challenges. Anyone who reads the report will come to the inescapable conclusion: America needs a new direction.”

“The majority party in power fails to understand the basic concept of fighting terror: We can't dry up the wellspring of hatred which is driving terrorist recruiting by making more enemies than friends,” said General Clark, the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander. “Their arrogance and incompetence prevents the powers that be from authoring the change in direction we need. The Democratic party offers America the best chance to turn things around and set a new course towards strategic success in the war on terror.”

“Democrats have been leading our nation in the battle for democracy for over a century,” said House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer. “From Wilson, to FDR, to Truman, to Kennedy to Clinton, Democrats have been holding the torch of freedom to light the way for other nations long before the Republican Party joined the fight. That is a tradition that we continue here today. This report details how President Bush and the Republican Congress have failed to make us as safe as we should be, and we hope that by pointing out these failures we can force a change in course.”

“The bi-partisan 9/11 Commission came through with specific recommendations to make America safe, and we still haven’t managed to meet those goals,” said Senator Durbin. “They continue to give this Administration failing grades when it comes to a communication network for police and fire fighters and emergency medical responders. They give it failing grades on the protection of our ports, the protection of chemical and nuclear facilities. As this new report makes clear, there is a lot more that needs to be done to make America safe. The lesson of 9/11 should be a reminder to Congress that we’ve got to get down to the business of making America safer at home.”

Said Senator Carper, “as this report by Third Way shows, President Bush’s policies have made us less safe, not more secure. Instead of playing politics with the war on terror and trying to score points against Democrats, the president needs to reach out to members of both parties and forge a new direction that will make the United States, and the rest of the world, a safer place.”

Five years after 9/11, the American people will no longer tolerate incompetent and failed Republican policies that put their security at risk, and they want a real change. Democrats are fighting to take this country in a new direction, and remain committed to the tough AND smart policies needed to finally give Americans the real security they deserve and demand.

http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=262450&

here it is: http://third-way.com/products/58

http://third-way.com/data/product/file/58/The_Neo_Con_9.5.06_final_electronic_version.pdf
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:49 PM
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1. Bush gets an "F"
In addition to the peskymattr of Katrina anniversary, there is the local scene

Senator Durbin. “They continue to give this Administration failing grades when it comes to a communication network for police and fire fighters and emergency medical responders"

Richmiond CA firefighters agree. Three children were lost in a fire this summer. Firefighters
were not aware that anyone was in the structure and as it was burning hot and fast they did only the most marginal of searches. Several Firefighters claim that if they had known that children were present and their location,they would have been able to go there and rescue them.

In more affluent areas firefighters already have heat (thermal) Imaging
But not in the ghetto. And the homeland security money tens to end up in the middle fo a Republican cornfield in Kansas thatn in California
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:52 PM
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2. Neglecting the nation's infrastructure is also a national security
issue. When we don't maintain our physical facilities and we don't educate our children properly, it is a national security problem. When we don't secure our borders, it is a national security issue.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:21 PM
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9. Who needs terrorists to blow up bridges
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 04:21 PM by DoYouEverWonder
when they're ready to fall down on their own?

Bankrupting the country has done more harm then al CIAda could have ever dreamed.

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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:36 PM
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3. How can I send this to Ed Shultz so he will shut up!
Why didn't the Dems send out a press release to progressive radio??
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:50 PM
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4. Kick
The Dems PR suck!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:08 PM
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8. yeah...
The Dems' PR people suck!

Who wrote the title of the press release? "Democrats, along with Wesley Clark..."

:wtf:

The person who wrote the press release is somehow unaware that he ran for the presidency as a Democrat? That's a "did you know?" kind of fact that a person working for the Dems should have at their fingertips.

If they meant to emphasize the fact that a military expert shares the views of the other people mentioned, they could have said "Democratic leaders, along with...."

Oh well. At least they sent out a press release at all... that's gotta be an improvement.

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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:27 PM
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10. I noticed that...
A better headline would've been:

"Democrats, along with 2004 Democratic presidential hopeful Wesley Clark..."

:wtf:

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:00 PM
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5. This report needs to hit the news circuit
And yes, the Democrats ability to get out their information does kind of suck.

This report needs to hit all of the middle of the road news junkets. Parts of it should be cited in every press packet from now until the end of the year.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:14 PM
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6. What's the opposite of Neocon? Old Pro? n/t
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:36 PM
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7. "Along with Wesley Clark"....?
I mean, if a front page DU lead story is going to knock my socks off, this wasn't it.

Love the Wes, but com'on....my socks are still on :silly:
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:36 PM
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11. "Third Way"???
That's rich. The DLC, associated with PNAC - is pissed at Dubya for doing the "right thing" wrongly.

Have these people no shame whatsoever? How cynical can one be? And how many people will fall for this rhetoric and play right into the hands that fund both the neocons AND the DLC?

Goddam bait & switch. This makes me ILL. :puke:

Cut through the goddam rhetoric and you'll see - they're not against the CONCEPT but the EXECUTION.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:45 PM
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16. Yep.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:14 PM
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17. I won't even go into how it makes ME feel....
"The Third Way"....... Ugh. I feel like I'm gonna die.

TC
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:59 PM
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12. Better Late Than Never, I Suppose
They could have generated this same document 2and a half years ago and wrested the White House away, probably Congress, too.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:09 PM
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13. And what difference would it make?
The "Third Way" is the DLC - associated with PNAC. They were (are) not against the invasion of countries in order to impose our concept of freedom (plus corporate perks); in fact they're all for it.

They just want it done with a little more finesse. With other countries helping out, perhaps in accordance to international law so that their progressive market segment can go along with the show.

C'mon, people - is it so hard to connect the dots and cut through the rhetoric? They're playing you like fiddles forchrissakes.

Why can't the DNC come out and say:

- We have no right to intervene in another country's politics.
- We need to address the fact that we're abusing half the world for the sake of profit.
- We have only supported "freedom" and "democracy" when other countries let big business plunder them.
- We not only SIGNED the UN Charter - we virtually WROTE it. Why can't we actually ABIDE by it?
- We were WRONG to go into Iraq.

The last one is the key. The PPI/Third Way propaganda piece neglects to say this. It IMPLIES it - for the sake of the electorate - but it doesn't SAY it. A dead giveaway, no?

Crickets
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:53 AM
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20. You are wrong...and I told the other poster who got all jaundiced
Edited on Wed Sep-06-06 03:09 AM by FrenchieCat
the same thing.

Let me break it down, so that even you can understand it.

The Neo "Con" papers are 27 pages of bars, charts, graphs and tables that show how fucked up the Bush Administration is about Iraq. The document is nothing but a bunch of fucking numbers.

The title of the report is "The Neo CON- Bush Defense record by the numbers."

Here, look at it, if you dare! http://www.third-way.com/data/product/file/58/The_Neo_Con_9.5.06_final_electronic_version.pdf
don't be afraid, it won't bite you. :scared:

This document has the numbers that were used to back up the Democratic congressional leadership letter that was sent to Bush on 9/4.

here's the letter:



September 4, 2006


The President

The White House

Washington, D.C.


Dear Mr. President:

Over one month ago, we wrote to you about the war in Iraq. In the face of escalating violence, increasing instability in the region, and an overall strain on our troops that has reduced their readiness to levels not seen since Vietnam, we called upon you to change course and adopt a new strategy to give our troops and the Iraqi people the best chance for success.

Although you have not responded to our letter, we surmise from your recent press conferences and speeches that you remain committed to maintaining an open-ended presence of U.S. forces in Iraq for years to come. That was the message the American people received on August 21, 2006, when you said, “we're not leaving , so long as I'm the President.”

Unfortunately, your stay the course strategy is not working. In the five-week period since writing to you, over 60 U.S. soldiers and Marines have been killed, hundreds of U.S. troops have been wounded, many of them grievously, nearly 1,000 Iraqi civilians have died, and the cost to the American taxpayer has grown by another $8 billion dollars. Even the administration's most recent report to Congress on Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq indicates that security trends in Iraq are deteriorating, and likely to continue to worsen for the foreseeable future. With daily attacks against American and Iraqi troops at close to their highest levels since the start of the war, and sectarian violence intensifying, we can only conclude that our troops are caught in the middle of a low-grade civil war that is getting worse.

Meanwhile, the costs of a failed Iraq policy to our military and our security have been staggering. As you know, not a single Army non-deployed combat brigade is currently prepared to meet its wartime mission, and the Marine Corps faces equally urgent equipment and personnel shortages. Lieutenant General Blum, the National Guard Bureau Chief, has stated that the National Guard is “even further behind or in an even more dire situation than the active Army.” Your recent decision to involuntarily recall thousands of Marines to active duty to serve in Iraq is but the latest confirmation of the strain this war has placed on our troops. At the same time, the focus on Iraq and the toll it has taken on our troops and on our diplomatic capabilities has diverted our attention from other national security challenges and greatly constrained our ability to deal with them.

In short, Mr. President, this current path – for our military, for the Iraqi people, and for our security – is neither working, nor making us more secure.

Therefore, we urge you once again to consider changes to your Iraq policy. We propose a new direction, which would include: (1) transitioning the U.S. mission in Iraq to counter-terrorism, training, logistics and force protection; (2) beginning the phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq before the end of this year; (3) working with Iraqi leaders to disarm the militias and to develop a broad-based and sustainable political settlement, including amending the Constitution to achieve a fair sharing of power and resources; and (4) convening an international conference and contact group to support a political settlement in Iraq, to preserve Iraq’s sovereignty, and to revitalize the stalled economic reconstruction and rebuilding effort. These proposals were outlined in our July 30th letter and are consistent with the “U.S. Policy in Iraq Act” you signed into law last year.

We also think there is one additional measure you can take immediately to demonstrate that you recognize the problems your policies have created in Iraq and elsewhere –consider changing the civilian leadership at the Defense Department. From the failure to deploy sufficient numbers of troops at the start of the war or to adequately equip them, to the prison abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib, to disbanding the Iraqi military, to the failure to plan for the post-war occupation, the Administration’s mistakes have taken a toll on our troops and our security. It is unacceptable to dismiss the concerns of military personnel and their families when they are affected by the consequences of these failures, as the Secretary of Defense recently did in Alaska by suggesting that volunteers should not complain about having their deployments extended. While a change in your Iraq policy will best advance our chances for success, we do not believe the current civilian leadership at the Department of Defense is suited to implement and oversee such a change in policy.

Mr. President, staying the course in Iraq has not worked and continues to divert resources and attention from the war on terrorism that should be the nation’s top security priority. We hope you will consider the recommendations for change that we have put forward. We want to work with you in finding a way forward that honors the enormous sacrifice of our troops and promotes U.S. national security interests in the region. We believe our plan will achieve those goals.


Thank you for your consideration of our views.


Harry Reid, Senate Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic Leader Dick Durbin, Senate Assistant Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer, House Minority Whip Carl Levin, Ranking Member, Senate Armed Services Committee Ike Skelton, Ranking Member, House Armed Services Committee Joe Biden, Ranking Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Tom Lantos, Ranking Member, House International Relations Committee Jay Rockefeller, Vice Chairman, Senate Intelligence Committee Jane Harman, Ranking Member, House Intelligence Committee Daniel Inouye, Ranking Member, Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee John Murtha, Ranking Member, House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=2624...



The letter backs up the Security agenda that Dems put out in March of this year, and again in July.

The letter is not a "third way letter" and the policy that it is supporting....which includes redeployment of our soldiers in Iraq as of December of 2006....is not a third way policy. It is the policy of the Congressional Dem leaders. period.

Murtha signed that letter too.


If it was the way you'd describe it....Guess that would mean that Reid, Pelosi, Clark, Levin, Murtha, Durbin and the rest of them are actually PNACers and we are being set up...right? They are really all Al From in drag, in uniform and in congress...right? Add John Kerry and John Edwards to the list...cause they both had Al From running their campaign...and he runs third Way and third way is linked directly to PNAC cause somebody said it is PNAC but packaged different...... :eyes:

Also add in Howard Dean, Al Gore, and the Clintons...cause hell, they were all associated with Al From and with the DLC recently enough......and so, that's that.


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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:20 AM
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23. You need to study up
on the DLC, PPI and Third Way.

What is disappointing is that the policy does not condemn the FACT of the invasion but the EXECUTION of the invasion.

What is disappointing is that group funded by the likes of the Olins and Bradleys is penning DNC policies.

And indeed, the immense majority of DNC leaders have been stupid enough to associate themselves with a thoroughly incompetent, ideologically repulsive and morally bankrupt group. And it pisses me off.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:04 AM
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24. What connections are there between DLC, PNAC, and the Third way?
Your claim is news to me. Could you direct me to some source material that backs that up?
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:03 PM
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25. Coming right up
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:13 PM
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26. thanks for the links
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:04 PM
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28. I have read the info you provided via links, and this is what I understand
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295 - This link discusses the fact that Will Marshall founded the DLC in 1989 with Al From, and they were the ones that assisted in getting Clinton/Gore elected. This movement was a move from the traditionalist Democratic model in that it appears to be friendlier to Corporate interest,i.e., it is a centrist organization. The link attempts to link Will Marshall to PNAC saying that they "share" some of the same language, in particular in reference to Iraq, a War that the DLC supported.

However, since a majority of Democratic senators also supported the ideals of the Iraq war, including John Edwards and Evan Bayh, I'm not sure if support for the Iraq War makes folks who supported or voted for the Iraq war automatically PNACers. I do not think that the association is substancially grounded, and I find it to be vague, at best.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534 - This link provides background data on the think tank organization called IPP, the Progressive Foreign Policy think tank ran by those who also consider themselves to be DLC. It generates research to back up policy beliefs set by the DLC. The link states that "Using language that mirrors that of the neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC), in October 2003 PPI hailed the “tough-minded internationalism” of past Democratic presidents such as Harry Truman. Like PNAC, which warned of the present danger in its founding documents, the Progressive Policy Institute declared that “America is threatened once again” and needs assertive individuals committed to strong leadership. Its observation--“like the cold war, the struggle we face today is likely to last not years but decades”--mirrors both neoconservative and Bush administration national security assessments. In its words, PPI endorsed the invasion of Iraq, “because the previous policy of containment was failing,” and Saddam Hussein’s government was “undermining both collective security and international law.”

I don't know if PNAC supports the likes of Harry Truman, but he was a Democrat...that I know. So, other than using similar language, e.g., "tough minded Internationalists", I'm not sure that IPP is associated with PNAC apart from the fact that both believe in Strong Foreign Policy...although what makes PNAC dangerous is the fact that they literally planned a 5 year plan in reforming 7 countries, by military force if required....something that I couldn't find mentioned in documents put out by IPP....although I haven't read everything that they have put out.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463 - This link discusses the DLC as an organization, and begins with the DLC's 2006 meeting which was opened by Hillary Clinton. Although I don't necessarily want Hillary Clinton to run for President, I don't necessarily associate her as a PNAC member...but rather as a New Democrat...which is what her husband was as well. She appears to have supported the Iraq war, but again, I don't think that makes her a PNACer....but rather, it makes her a Centrist; since most Centrists seem to have initially supported the Iraq War and those in congress did vote for it.....again, this action doesn't qualify one as a PNACer...although it may make them stoopid for having thought that we could win such a war in that part of the world. But of course, the stoopids would include quite a few members of our Democratic congress; both on the senate side as well as those in the house.

I think the key word in describing the Centrist DLC is their notion on "Market Based solutions" (found at this link)which worked "OK" for a period....but in today's economy has become a dinosaur, and the ideal itself countered by the more progressive branch of the Democratic Party; those who consider themselves in the mold of FDR...but ironically enough FDR was also a "tough-minded" leader on Foreign policies......language used by both IPP and PNAC (which therefore makes FDR a PNACer using the logic of posters who are insinuating that DLC/IPP/3rd Way is "associated" to PNAC; ....which of course is a generalized "guilt by language" assocation...which I find to be a serious exaggeration.

The bottomline is that Al From, who ran the John Kerry/John Edwards' campaign is a doofus in that he is out of step with the times. His centrist ideals have not won elections for Democrats since 1998......and he has become more of a loser as his "Market Based" theories don't seem to be holding up as creating a stronger America. Instead, the Market based theories have thinned out our middle class and have brought corporate power to elections (part of the DLC's original aims was to counter the fact that Republicans were collecting most of the corporate moneys....and therefore had more cash on hand to win elections).

All of that being said....getting back to the original OP, the research document published by Third Way is a very useful document as it is solely based on charted and graphed data on the Iraq war.....if one were to actually read the 27 pages of graphs, charts, tables and data.

In otherwords, the DLC is not an effective organization in my view at this point in time, but they are not the PNACer's 1st cousin as folks might want to make them out to be. They are, rather, a 3rd cousin/twice removed... in that there are certain views that both organization might agree on.....say about 35% of the time.

DLC is not PNAC, and they are not a Republican organization. They are indeed a centrist organization that needs to rethink it's mantra as it has been a loser for far too long, IMO.....and in fact have helped put us in the bind that we currently find ourselves in (NAFTA, Corporate power consolidation and elections influenced by Corporate powers).

However, when wanting to have back up research information, the Third Way is actually not a bad place to get it....as this organization cannot be poopooed as having a liberal Bias.....and therefore, the information it publishes holds water with both the GOP, our conservative media, and the vast majority of folks who consider themselves centrists....Which are the folks that make Bush and his administration possible.

Had Move-On published a research document and come out with the same stats....if used by the congressional Democrats, it would have been laughed out of existence......and considering that we have just entered into election 2006 central, I dare think that a Move-On researched document would not have accomplished much in reference to giving congressional Democrats something to discuss to help them frame the facts in reference to that loser; IRAQ....wich is the issue for the 2006 election....and, in my case, since I'm interested in Democrats winning.....I ain't about to turn my nose up on documentation that illustrates via rational stats the fucked up manner in which the Bush Administration as conducted this war.


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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 01:18 AM
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29. Strange
Since when is being friendlier to corporate interests being "moderate"?
As for "trying" to link Marshall to PNAC, it CONCLUSIVELY SHOWS such a link in the form of his actual signing of PNAC communiques (it is direct guilt: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/pnac-chart.php). This is not guilt by association, this is "caught in the act" (as if PPI citing of neocon ideologues in expressing its platforms isn't enough).

It seems that you've read the links with tinted glasses and not a little naivete. Truman was indeed a Democrat - but neoconservatism ITSELF began with the Democratic party. You completely ignore the funding behind the groups mentioned (2 parts of the most conservative triad of American political funders) and you do not connect the dots.

You reject "market based" concepts - but refuse to see that this is the cornerstone of the DLC's (and Kerry's and Edward's and Clinton's) economic platform, merely because "market based" terms are sandwiched between progressive-sounding rhetoric.

It is as if you refuse to see the evidence before your eyes - it seems like cognitive dissonance.

Regarding the OP, sure - the document is useful inasmuch as it highlights GOP incompetence. What it does NOT address is the actual decision to invade Iraq - something that the DLC has supported all along.

The DLC is indeed not a cousin of PNAC - it is its siamese twin, agreeing with every basic tenet and only disagreeing on liturgy. They agree 95% of the time but are obsessed with the need to "seem different" in order to together capture a larger part of the electoral market. They're Coke and Diet Coke.

Yes, a MoveOn document would have been laughed at. In a world where even Brookings has gone neocon and where the term "liberal" has been venemously derided (with the help of corporate millions and the DLC), what can one expect? So we'll have to make due with a pro-Iraqi War group trying to defeat the GOP on terms of execution. Pretty fvcking pathetic, no? A democracy with no opposition, just 2 vanilla ice creams with different artificial colouring.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 01:38 AM
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30. You want Marshall?
"The administration has rightly made the democratic transformation of the greater Middle East the grand American project of the 21st century. That job starts in Iraq. If we fail here, our hopes for liberalizing the region will be stillborn. To create a stable, representative government in Baghdad, we need to show total commitment to quelling a motley insurgency that includes remnants of Saddam's security and intelligence services, disgruntled Sunnis, and foreign jihadists. Yet the timing of the administration's troop cuts seems dictated by the campaign calendar, not strategy"
Will Marshall
Stay and Win in Iraq
Blueprint Magazine
January 8, 2004

Sheesh.

Vietnam anyone?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:06 AM
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31. Far as I'm concerned, you spoke the magic words.....
The documents are useful in making a case against the Bush administration.

For right now, that's all that count!

See you at the impeachment trial (cause that will be my next move, after Democrats win back the house and/or the senate)....and then......wherever we go from there.


Thank you very much.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:38 AM
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34. Oh my!
See you at the impeachment trial (cause that will be my next move...

I had no idea you were so powerful! Do let us know when you've got that impeachment thing wrapped up.

Oy.

Juile
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:02 PM
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36. Not sure what you mean....but if we retake congress....that's
my next cause to support....and I will do what is in my "power" to see it to fruition.

Do you have a problem with that, or are you just happy to see me? :eyes:
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:18 PM
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37. Let me get this.
You don't see the collusion between the DLC and the GOP. You see the DLC's support of GOP foreign and economic policies as irrelevent or non-existent. You see virtually all of the DNC vote for a war and see complaints about its execution as somehow being a true opposition.

And you think that there will be an impeachment?

Jesus christ almighty.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:20 PM
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38. Am I understanding you?
You don't see the collusion between the DLC and the GOP. You see the DLC's support of GOP foreign and economic policies as irrelevent or non-existent. You see virtually all of the DNC vote for a war and see complaints about its execution as somehow being a true opposition.

And you think that there will be an impeachment?

Jesus christ almighty.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:28 AM
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33. It was the language of Will Marshall (DLC) that scared me....
who in 2001 said that this was an opportunity to "drain the swamp" of the Middle East, and who tried to link proactive military policies with progressive politics. It almost sounded like the Third Way of foreign policy involved "creative destruction" or something.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 09:18 AM
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35. That's the substance of the DLC
Their agenda and their rhetoric are totally and cynically divorced.

FWIW, I've just started reading an interesting book: "A Conservative Revolution" by Adonis and Hames - "the Thatcher-Reagan Decade in Perspective". A remarkable read, with essays by relatively apolitical ivory tower types with an international perspective. Its focus ends with Bubba (who is mentioned, if not in depth) and shows the modus operandi of the rw -- if not the causes.

It is interesting to note the early 90's interpretetion of "neo-con"; it has changed considerably even if the names and orgs haven't. The authors recognize the populism, avoid the "money trail", but identify some interesting themes that aren't common in general American interpretations. In particular with regards to the judicial debate between cons and libs, federalists et al.

--´-

I insist in my interpretation that from a global and American POV, the DLC (and its offshoots and its funders) is a greater danger to our body politic than the GOP.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:13 PM
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14. "Their arrogance and incompetence" -- Go, General!!!
:bounce:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:44 PM
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15. Wes Clark?
You mean the guy who should be our nominee in `08? Brilliant!
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:29 PM
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18. K+R
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:19 AM
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19. homeland security should also have been included
regarding power plants/nuclear plants
chemical facilities
rails
cargo (by water & air)

these things are also so very important!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:01 AM
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21. It was......this is the policy which was agreed upon by the Dem leadership
Edited on Wed Sep-06-06 03:02 AM by FrenchieCat
in congress.

REAL SECURITY AT HOME AND OVERSEAS
Reclaim American leadership with a tough, smart plan to transform failed policies in Iraq, the Middle East and around the world. Require the Iraqis to take responsibility for their country and begin the phased redeployment of US forces from Iraq in 2006. Double the size of Special Forces to destroy Osama Bin Laden and terrorist networks like al Qaeda. Rebuild a state-of-the-art military capable of projecting power wherever necessary. Implement the bipartisan 9/11 Commission proposal to secure America's borders and ports and screen 100% of containers. Fully man, train, and equip our National Guard and our police, firefighters and other first responders. Honor our commitments to our veterans.


The Press conference today was orchestrated to continue the Dem's plan to harp on the failures of Bush on his Iraq Policy. The report "Bush Defense record by the numbers", is a 27 pages research document of solely graph, charts, bars and numbers and tables of the facts that happened vs. what Bush is saying happened.

Today was to keep the message out that Bush is wrong on Iraq in particular.

They will be back, the Dem leadership, that is...with another report on the borders, the ports, etc...

The election season has just gotten started in earnest. It appears that the Dems have a strategy. Don't know if it will get as much coverage as they would like....but it won't be because they ain't working on it.

The Democrats have a plan.

I just hope it works!



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:29 AM
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22. looks like they forgot the Office of Special Plans aka "the Feith office"
In spite of the fact that much of it is on record thanks to the Democratic Policy Committee hearing on manipulation of pre-war Iraq intelligence.

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Democratic Policy Committee hearing on manipulation of pre-war Iraq intelligence

Discussing the Office of Special Plans aka OSP, aka Bureau of Special Plans, aka "the Feith office".

...

Walter Jones (R - North Carolina):
"How did these people (the neocons) so early on get so much power that they had more influence in the administration to make decisions, than you (witnesses from intelligence community) the professionals?"

Lawrence Wilkers:
"...I'm glad to see you here. As a Republican, I’m somewhat embarrassed by the fact that you’re the only member of my party here.
I answer you with three words: "the Vice President".

...

Wayne White (fmr State Dept Principal Iraq Analyst):
"...those kind of offices (OSP/'Feith office') ... people (in the Pentagon, intelligence community) aren't even aware of them, there are no standard communications between them and the rest of the intelligence community, and more importantly there has been no vetting of their personell for professionalism and for experience in that field.
That office was writing intelligence which was getting far more attention then what I and Carl were working on, and yet it has none of the professional standards that apply within the rest of the intelligence community."

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http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/12383
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrats_plan_sharp_rebuke_of_prewar_1219.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/26/133737/173
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:27 PM
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27. .
WHy don't the freepers get this!?WHY?How do they not get that we are Less Safe because of Bush!???


Bush should be tried for treason for leaving us so vulnerable.He took the oath promising to protect and serve and has done neither.Off with his head I say.Or atleast impeach the Bastard.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:25 AM
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32. Go Wes young man! n/t
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