Painful truth that no one wanted to hear after 9/11 inescapable now

[yurbud]

You would practically be lynched if you said right after 9/11 that our foreign policy incited terrorism, but now that is precisely what the majority of Americans believe about Iraq--that what we are doing there will create more not less terror. This can be a bridge to rational discussion about how to fight terror.

We cannot let businesses like oil corporations dictate our foreign policy, particularly when it harms the aspirations of people in other countries for a better standard of living and the right to choose their own government.

The element that has been left out of the discussion in the mainstream and even in a lot of the lefty press is that this is a war about profits, not misguided over-zealous ideology.

Iraq's oil is worth tens of trillions of dollars. How ever much the war costs us in tax dollars and soldiers lives, we gave that to the oil companies essentially for free. Since then, they have thanked us by demanding more tax breaks, gouging us at the pump, and lobbying for another war--Iran.

Americans are rightly proud of our democratic traditions, but need to know exactly where and by who they were betrayed.

[panader0]

1. As I sat and watched the toweres fall on CNN that morning

I thought the same thing. Why did someone do this? Why the USS Cole? Duh! GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST! Mind our own business. Quit trying to run other governments for the sake of oil profits. But, anymore, I'm not entirely convinced who is really to blame for 9/11.

[yurbud]

3. the solution is roughly the same whether real or fake--get business

out of foreign policy.

Problem is, that's about 98% of foreign policy.

There should be another set of Church committee type hearings on black ops, false flags, and agent provocateurs.

The ran something on the history channel on black ops and provocateurs first being used with the Klan, and then those tactics transferred to the Black Panthers and other dissident groups. It was chilling, but also sounded a lot like what they are doing to the mainstream of political debate now. Dig up or make up shit on people. Plant agents within opposition groups. Prod people to do something stupid.

If you look at the first WTC attack and what the FBI informant said, you get an idea of how they could instigate an attack with relatively little direct input or involvement.

[FoxOnTheRun]

5. It's also Dollar Hegemony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

http://www.sacw.net/free/rohini_marinella30012005.html

[EFerrari]

8. I am. No matter which way you cut it, Republicans are. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2052076

[FoxOnTheRun]

2. Sometimes you just have to produce them, otherwise you can't stay there

http://drop.schlafe.com/241005karpinski.mp3

Listen to this interview of Brigadier General Janis Karpinski

[90-percent]

4. The key is

The key is WHY DO TERRORISTS ATTACK THE UNITED STATES?

In other words, what drove "them" to commit 9/11?

This is the key.

I think they do it because the United States treats other countries badly in the name of getting as much natural resources as we can while paying as little as we can.

The US has been doing this since the end of WW2 and has had this secret government doctrine in place since the end of WW2.

This usually means we prop up oppressive dictators that are mean to their own people because that gets us the cheapest prices on their natural resources. We'd be in a heap of trouble if we had to pay FULL LIST PRICE for all the stuff we need to keep our standard of living so high.

So we lessen the standard of living for many citizens of the world, so that ours may be greater. Our government does this on our behalf. Some in the world get sick of this and use airplanes as missiles and destroy our buildings most symbolic of American enterprise.

At least this is what I got from Chomsky's "What Uncle Sam Really Wants"

-85% Jimmy

[FoxOnTheRun]

7. I'm in Europe

and our economy isn't going very well now, but I can't imagine people having 3 jobs.

[yurbud]

10. Most Americans only wanted to hear that they are death loving religious

nuts.

[NNN0LHI]

6. I tried this approach here at DU after 9/11

It didn't play well in Peoria.

Don

[neoblues]

9. No, it is ideology. The ideology of greed.

IRAQ Oil: tens of trillions and immense world power.
IRAQ War: hundreds of billions in increased Oil Prices, hundreds of billions to Defense Industry Contractors and the "Military Industrial Complex" (as well as increased political power to some select politicians).

Of course, having such goings ons does actually support or is consistent with certain political ideologies (it fits right in with neo-Republicans; and somewhat with regular Republicans--who are now somewhat corrupted Conservatives). One example from probably hundreds, the expense of the war runs up the debt, consumes the budget and will serve the 'starve the beast'--as in make it all the more difficult to support Federal Social Programs and the "New Deal" institutions. That and other things would no doubt be considered the whipped cream on top of their main desert.