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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:13 PM
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Time: "The Nation That Fell To Earth" (Did the U.S. over-react to 9/11?)
This week's cover story. I'm getting errors on the web site, so I haven't read past the first page:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531303,00.html?internalid=AOT_h_09-03-2006_the_nation_that

The Nation That Fell To Earth

Did the U.S. overreact to Sept. 11? Niall Ferguson, one of the world's leading historians, speculates on how future generations will judge the war on terrorism--and on what it will take for America to win it.
By NIALL FERGUSON

It's the year 2031--one generation removed from Sept. 11, 2001--and Americans are commemorating the 30th anniversary of the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. How well did America respond to that day, when viewed with the benefit of hindsight? How has history judged our leaders' actions? Here, a historian looks back on that distant event and explains how 9/11 would change America, and the world, in ways that few could have imagined.

Nineteen terrorists. Four hijacked aircraft. Nearly 3,000 victims. It all happened in little more than an hour, between a quarter to nine and 10 in the morning on Sept. 11, 2001. But the war that started that day was destined to last years, many years.

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It was a conflict that changed forever the face of the Middle East. It was a war that fundamentally altered the international balance of power. But it was far from clear that those shifts were favorable to the U.S. Some pessimists, with the benefit of hindsight, suggested that the years after 9/11 marked the beginning of the end of the American Century. But others maintained that it was the beginning of a different kind of American Century.

No question, 9/11 was an act of war. But was the U.S. reaction to it the right one? In 2006, five years after 9/11, the answer to that query still seemed unresolved. According to a TIME/Discovery Channel poll taken on the eve of the anniversary, nearly 70% of Americans believed the war against terrorism would not be won within 10 years. But looked at from the vantage point of 2031--three decades after the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington--the debate is over. Thirty years later, the Great War for Democracy has been won. And not many people in 2006 would have predicted the winner.

I THE WAR FOR DEMOCRACY

The significance of a traumatic event like 9/11 changes with the passage of time. On the fifth anniversary of the attacks, memories were still fresh; to those who lived through that day, it was unfathomable that three decades later many Americans would have no memory at all of what happened back in 2001. As a 67-year-old writing in the year 2031--at an age that used to qualify me as a senior citizen before that term was banned as ageist, and before the standard retirement age was raised to 80--I can still remember 9/11 pretty clearly. But today 1 in every 3 Americans is under age 30. And so I had better explain why I think the attacks constituted the first battle in a War for Democracy.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:21 PM
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1. You mean the Bush White House over reacted
Not the American population.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:23 PM
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2. It's about time someone asked that question.
We sure did overreact. I said so at the time. We were going to overreact, and the overreaction would cause even more damage than the attack itself.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:50 PM
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10. You're so right......
It's a simple question, but so basic no one stops to answer it.

In simple math, we've killed about, what, five times as many people as died on 9/11? Sounds like over-reaction to me.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:26 PM
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3. What a bunch of rot.
Niall Ferguson is a right-winger who supported the Iraq invasion and who has often been criticized as an apologist for imperialism. Ironically, there is also a companion article by rabid neocon Max Boot, criticizing Ferguson for being too negative about Bush.

Great job, Time. An article by a wingnut accompanied by an article by another wingnut, complaining that the first wingut isn't nutty enough.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:35 PM
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8. Those are my sentiments. This article is deceptivly titled too.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:58 PM
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11. It's ridiculous, isn't it. There's always Newsweek, I guess...
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:27 PM
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4. either the bush doctrine is a success or it fails.
and in either instance this future history is exposed as ludicrous.


if it is a success there is no way it will be the first battle in the war for democracy because the world will either be under an american hegemony and may have fallen into a devastating war between the us and chinese factions.

if it fails it will be exposed as a power grab for american neocon domination and the destruction of democratic values.

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:27 PM
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5. Overreact? NOOOOOO!!
Of course not! Why wouold saturation-bombing, conquering a nation and torturing its people which wasn't involved in the attacks and had no linkage to the attacks be overreacting? Why would anyone think that the people turning to war-mongering and in many cases abusing and even killing people just because they were not from the US be considered overreacting?
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:28 PM
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6. Isn't the article saying it wasn't an over reactions?
That democracy won after all?
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:31 PM
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7. "democracy won after all?". No, the PERPS won. EOM

nt
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:40 PM
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14. Democracy = Big Oil
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 10:44 PM by countmyvote4real
Backing up... Our Nation did not over react. The * administration and their allegiance to Big Oil over reacted to their big deception and didn't plan or care about the consequences for the Iraqi people or our troops. It's obvious that they still don't care because they don't have any intention of getting out.

The */Big Oil goal is to keep Iraq from pumping oil onto the international market because that would drive down the PPB and hurt the profits of the BFEE Saudi supporters. Iraq has yet to see the oil production levels seen under Saddam's rule.

Now if the media a la Time is going to "j'accuse" the Nation, that finger should point back at themselves for NO journalistic reaction or scrutiny during the build up to this immoral and false invasion of another sovereign country that posed no direct threat to us. Iraq's only threat to the international community was limited to the profits of the international oil companies. Saddam had too much control of Iraq's oil spigot and could flood the market any time he chose.

Now * has destroyed a country and plans to stay indefinitely as we rest assured that we will lose around five troops daily and multiple times that for native Iraqis. But the PPB just keeps rising. Mission Fucking Accomplished.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:49 PM
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9. Of course not.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:31 PM
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12. "9/11 was an act of war"?
That is just scholarly dishonesty. You can't even come close to making that case.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:36 PM
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13. 9/11 Has No Meaning For Me
Between the media onslaught at the time it happened, *, his junta, and everyone on the right + the media that parroted everything they said, and all the (quite understandable) tin foil hatting on the left, I never had or took the time to go away somewhere quiet and figure out my own thoughts and feelings.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:01 PM
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15. Sept.11 2031..President GW Bush arrives in NYC to mark the 30th
anniversary of the 911 attacks and his 26th year as President since he declared Martial Law (Oct.06') halting the elections until the War on Terror has been won. The President was greeted with cheers since many of his dissenters had been sent off to FEMA prison camps. The President laid a wreath and vowed "we will win in Iraq"
as well as Iran before he dies.


Scares the shit out of me...
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