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G2099 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:23 PM
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JFK Assassination video, startling evidence you may have not seen
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:33 PM
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1. That was interesting about
the Secret Service Agents. I never knew that before. Is that one agent that gave the order still alive?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:35 PM
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2. I got about half way through and it stopped
I can't reload it, but that was interesting about the back bumper and the secret agents getting removed from that position.
I hadn't seen that part before.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:39 PM
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12. Right-click on the download link,save to your hard drive for viewing later
n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:44 AM
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79. I tried to do that and it takes me to another page

that has mention of the JFK but doesn't click into the video. :)

What button do I click when I do the right click? Is it on the page when it opens to the video?
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:17 AM
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94. Right under the video itself, where it says "download" just right-click
it shouldn't take you to another page when you do that; you should get a pop-up menu of choices (if you're on a PC and using IE).
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:22 PM
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8. I never heard that either.
I'm wondering if the one who was called off is still alive or has ever been asked about it.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:37 PM
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3. AND LOOK WHO WAS THERE IN DALLAS...
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 05:03 PM by LaPera
Bush, Nixon, Johnson, Hoover, all in Dallas 11-22-63

Hoover gets a lifetime appointment as head of the FBI from LBJ shortly after JFK assassination.

Also in Dallas that same day...H L Hunt

Hunt funded two right-wing radio shows, Facts Forum and Life Line. He used these radio stations to support the anti-communist campaign of Joseph McCarthy. He also helped to finance the political career of (Texan) Lyndon B. Johnson. A member of the John Birch Society, Hunt was a close friend of Edwin Walker.

"On the eve of the assassination, Hoover and Nixon attended a meeting together at the Dallas home of (ultra-right wing Texan) OIL baron Clint Murchison. Among the subjects discussed at this meeting were the political futures of Hoover and Nixon in the event President Kennedy was assassinated."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFK ...

Ex-CIA director Allen Dulles (whom JFK fired) and Republican Arlen Specter & future appointed US President, Republican Gerald Ford, all part of the Warren Commission "investigating" the JFK assassination.

Lifetime appointee, J Edgar Hoover (FBI) plays ball, goes along with the Commission report. (But also let's it be known, CIA-George H W Bush was also in Dallas that day).

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm

Nixon has George Bush Sr., Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Armitage in administrative posts during his presidency.

Looks who's in charge now....
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:24 PM
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22. It was the beginning of Poppy and his network ,and our demise. 11/22/63
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:47 PM
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40. I would offer that the Bush & Walker "Network" goes back 100 yrs+
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:54 PM
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43. Yes Viva Zapata!!! I meant II's role in the Co.
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 07:56 PM by orpupilofnature57
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:32 PM
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47. Yup it's pretty much the moment that pinpointed America's self-destruction
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:07 PM
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49. Texas oilmen also wanted access to drill in the gulf.....
I forget the details.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:00 AM
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56. Sickening isn't it? n/t
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:41 PM
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4. Perhaps because they were leaving Love Field ?
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 04:43 PM by hippiechick
... and heading toward a breakfast someplace before the motorcade thru Dealey ? That would be alot of hoofin', even for tip-top shape Secret Service men (who incidentally had been out drinking the night before).

I'm not positive of the distance between points but that would be my guess, because there was an agent who - if you recall - jumped on the trunk and hustled Jackie back into the limo after the first shots were fired. So some had to be close.

Oh and here's something else creepy for ya' ....

A photo taken that day and color enhanced recently, looking toward the knoll, seemingly over the shoulder of Abraham Zapruder, who took the infamous film.




Remember the '3 tramps' who were "arrested" (in the railroad lot behind the knoll) for questioning?

http://www.jfkresearch.com/morningstar/morningstar5.htm





... I'm just sayin' ... :shrug:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:25 PM
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9. the car in front also slowed down.. jackie went out on the trunk to get
JFK's skull cap.. there had to be more than one shooter, he was first hit from behind through the neck then the 'back' of his head is blown out onto the trunk.. an army sniper on a radio program was asked during the question period at the end of his talk if there was more than one shooter that killed JFK.. he said he was shot from the back then the front.. the dj asked how he knew JFK was shot from the front.. the sniper said.. the brains go that-a-way.. been there done that.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:59 PM
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55. Actually, Jackie was "haulin ass" to get out of a bloodbath
props to the late great Lenny Bruce
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:05 AM
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123. Jackie Kennedy later on said that she was in shock and afraid
and was trying to get out of the car. :shrug: That's what I heard her say anyway.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:20 PM
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21. The breakfast they went to that morning was in Houston
They flew from Houston to Dallas where JFK was to speak at the Trade Mart. The motorcade that left Dallas' Love Field was going directly to the Trade Mart. If I recall correctly, Clint Hill, the agent who jumped on the trunk of the presidential limo was in the car behind the president.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:02 PM
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34. No, they were in Houston the day before, on 11/21.
They had breakfast in Ft. Worth the morning of the assassination, then made the (extremely short) flight from Ft. Worth to Love Field in Dallas.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/jfk/
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:16 PM
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36. Thanks for the correction
I should have remembered that.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:49 PM
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31. If Badgeman isn't a ringer for young GWHB, I'll eat my hat.
Is he wearing a uniform and white gloves? Spill it!
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:32 PM
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38. GHWB -- The Original Terrorist n/t
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:49 PM
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42. Nah, I'm thinkin' the planners and the do'ers were entirely separate.
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 07:49 PM by hippiechick
... that way nobody could follow the money trail all the way to the top.

I'm sure Badgeman was a hired gun. And supposedly 2 of the 'tramps' were id'd as former CIA/Special Ops dudes E. Howard Hunt (Watergate, anyone?) and (____) Harrelson (actor Woody's estranged father).

But definitely, the same crew of Military Industrial thugs that are ruining the country now, are descendants of/taking advice from, those who were involved on Nov 22, 1963.


:(
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:25 PM
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45. You mean him?
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:54 PM
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53. How about a picture of him on his oil rig offshore from Cuba 1961
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:54 AM
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85. Castro seized BUSHCO's oil! A Hell of a motive.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 07:59 AM
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71. Hairline is different
Kinda noticeable
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:17 AM
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72. yep, the fate of all man when they get older
Edited on Mon Sep-04-06 08:20 AM by FoxOnTheRun
He was

39 in 1963
46 in 1070
51 in 1975



with 24
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 06:26 PM
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118. Holy Moly !
I've never seen THAT before !!! :wow:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:15 AM
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91. A bit rash, offering to eat your hat over such a blurry pic...
He looks like me, too, if I were dressed like that.

And anyone else who has short dark hair.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:23 PM
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99. deleted
Edited on Mon Sep-04-06 12:24 PM by FoxOnTheRun

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:02 PM
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107. So, it was you? Are you confessing here?
BTW, Liza Minelli has short dark hair and it looks NOTHING like her.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 05:33 PM
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116. Wouldn't they have been riding on the floorboard on the back?
:shrug:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:47 PM
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5. karma is a bitch - hope BFEE gets to find out
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:56 AM
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86. Karma. The Bush assassination film. I hope they choke on it!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:57 PM
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6. And Now the GOP Blames Us for Terrorism
Wake up America!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:17 PM
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:26 PM
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10. And they say there was no conspiracy
BS
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:31 PM
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11. Clinton Hill -- the only Secret Service agent protecting the Kennedys
Hill was the only Agent to leave the follow-up car and attempt to protect those in the Presidential car. He rode spread-eagle over President and Mrs. Kennedy as the limousine raced to Dallas' Parkland Hospital.


from the Warren Commission minutes:

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any other occasion en route from Love Field to downtown Dallas to leave the followup car and mount that portion of the President's car?


Mr. HILL. I did the same thing approximately four times...The preceding Monday, the President was on a trip in Tampa, Fla., and he requested that the agents not ride on either of those two steps . (Hill, who was not present in Florida, heard this from other agents.)

_____________________

really? why would the prez interfere in his protective services? note that Hill didn't *hear* this himself -- it was the OTHER agents who informed him of the new protocol.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:24 PM
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23. The official story has always been that JFK did not want
agents riding on the car and that he was the one who didn't want the "bubble top" put on the limo so that people could see him better. I don't both these items could have been Kennedy's wishes, it's just become hard to believe any part of the official story.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:49 PM
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32. Did he ever refute those allegations?
I thought not....
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:26 AM
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58. 'refute those allegations?' ...
um... he was dead. . . . kinda hard to refute much.

dp
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 06:44 AM
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69. Hence why they were made...
That was my point, however badly done.
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JohnInDallas Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:49 PM
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13. Kennedy Assassination - View From Dallas
I am typing this from my condo in Dallas. I am located about half way between where Kennedy was shot and Parkland Hospital. This was amazing. I wonder why this information never surfaced until now. As usual, why has there been no mainstream press attention to this?

I didn't move to Dallas until 22 years after Kennedy was killed and remember being sent home from elementary school early (suburban New York). One of my good friends here got out of school early and was down at Dealy Plaza within 25 minutes of the assassination. He said it still hadn't been cordoned off.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:09 PM
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16. Welcome to DU, JohnInDallas!
:hi:
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:10 PM
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17. Welcome to DU. How did your friend
describe the scene at Dealy Plaza?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:32 PM
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25. Welcome JohnInDallas ! I was first grade , do you remember people phrasing
it as They killed the President,I do.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:30 AM
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59. I remember: "THEY killed OUR president."
Kennedy was "The People's President".


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:51 AM
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83. "Who are they"? That was used to shut people down. It took a long
time to figure out who they us but after 911, there's no doubt. WE KNOW NOW!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:49 PM
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14. President Johnson had ties to Brown & Root, a government contractor
Today, Kellog, Brown & Root is a subsidiary of none other than Halliburton, and Dick Cheney has connections with that firm today.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:11 PM
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18. Interesting! I had to google it.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:16 PM
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20. NPR snip


Halliburton Deals Recall Vietnam-Era Controversy
Cheney's Ties to Company Reminiscent of LBJ's Relationships


by John Burnett

All Things Considered, December 24, 2003 Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration.

Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam -- allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. Today -- as NPR's John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series -- Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney.

The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman.

After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government.
By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign.


More: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15...

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:06 PM
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35. A very obscure, out-of-print book examines that tie closely.
It's called "A Texan Looks at Lyndon: A Study in Illegitimate Power," by J. Evetts Haley. LBJ's ties to Brown & Root go back WAY before the assassination, and there's some evidence that other criminal acts (up to and including murder) happened over the years. LBJ wasn't alone; Ralph Yarborough was part of that gang, too.

They were one dirty, evil bunch of politicians, and I'm ashamed they ever called themselves democrats.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:20 PM
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52. KBR built the military bases in Vietnam. You can still see their
initials in the cement.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:16 AM
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92. And who ramped up the Vietnam War
after the Gulf of Tonkin incident (which we now know was fabricated)? Lotsa lucrative deals building those bases, I'm sure.

Makes ya go "hmmmmm."
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:12 PM
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113. Yes, read "Means of Ascent". The Blueprint for the 2000 stolen election
Reading about Johnson's Senate campaign in Texas, with Brown & Root (later Halliburton) sending him all over the state in their company planes, funding his campaign prolifically, and then the details of the "contested" election which included getting a court to rule that that ballots should not be counted or recounted, is where Karl Rove must've learned how to steal an election.

It was a shock to me about how much of a blueprint it was for Election 2000.

"Means of Ascent" is the second in a trilogy about LBJ.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:03 PM
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15. A book I read about Kennedy said the week before he was having
an affair and his back got strained. That day he was wearing a back brace/girdle to help with the pain. He couldn't bend over. After the first shot, he was a sitting duck for any other shots.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:33 PM
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27. He was definitely a sitting duck.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:17 AM
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93. Kennedy always wore a back brace.
He had had back surgery for a degenerated disc. He also had Addison's disease. He was in chronic pain and was one of our least healthy presidents belying his robust image.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:15 PM
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19. Jim Garrison's case proved who did it....this is nothin' new.....
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 06:31 PM by jus_the_facts
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/jus_the_facts...

To this date, he has brought the only public prosecution in
the Kennedy killing.


I submit to you that what took place
on November 22, 1963 was a coup
d'etat. Its most direct and tragic
result was a reversal of President
Kennedy's commitment to withdraw
from Vietnam. War is the biggest
business in America worth $80 billion
a year. The President was murdered
by a conspiracy planned in advance
at the highest levels of the United
States government and carried out by
fanatical and disciplined Cold
Warriors in the Pentagon and CIA's
covert operations apparatus

- among
them Clay Shaw here before you. It
was a public execution and it was
covered up by like - minded
individuals in the Dallas Police
Department, the Secret Service, the
FBI, and the White House - all the
way up to and including J. Edgar
Hoover and Lyndon Johnson, whom I
consider accomplices after the fact.


There is a very simple way to
determine if I am being paranoid
here.

Let's ask the two men who have
profited the most from the
assassination - your former President
Lyndon Baines Johnson and your new
President, Richard Nixon - to release
51 CIA documents pertaining to Lee
Oswald and Jack Ruby, or the secret
CIA memo on Oswald's activities in
Russia that was "destroyed" while
being photocopied. All these
documents are yours - the people's
property - you pay for it, but because
the government considers you children
who might be too disturbed to face
this reality, because you might lynch
those involved.
Only four days after J.F.K. was shot,
Lyndon Johnson signed National
Security Memo 273, which essentially
reversed Kennedy's new withdrawal
policy and gave the green light to
the covert operations against North
Vietnam that provoked the Gulf of
Tonkin incident. In that document
lay the Vietnam War.

Could the Mob change the parade route, Bill, or eliminate the protection for the President?

Could the Mob send Oswald to Russia and get him back?

Could the Mob get the FBI, the CIA, and the Dallas Police to make a mess of the investigation? Could the Mob appoint the Warren commission to cover it up? Could the Mob wreck the autopsy?

Could the Mob influence the national media to go to sleep?
And since when has the Mob used anything but .38's for hits, up close? The Mob wouldn't have the guts or the power for something of this magnitude. Assassins need payrolls, orders, times, schedules. This was a military-style ambush from start to finish... a coup d'etat with Lyndon Johnson waiting in the wings.


Oh, now you're saying Lyndon Johnson
was involved? The President of the
United States?


I know this, Bill - Lyndon Johnson
got $1 billion from his Texas friends,
Brown and Root, to dredge Cam Ranh
Bay for the military in Vietnam.
That's just for openers.
But rather than admit to
a conspiracy or investigate further,
the Commission chose to endorse the
theory put forth by an ambitious
junior counsellor, Arlen Specter.
One of the grossest lies ever forced
on the American people, we've come
to know it as the "magic bullet"
theory.


The Official Legend is created and
the media takes it from there. The
glitter of official lies and the
epic splendor of the thought-numbing
funeral of J.F.K. confuse the eye
and confound the understanding.
Hitler always said "the bigger the
lie, the more people will believe
it."
Huey Long once said. "in the name of anti-fascism" - it will
come in the name of your security -
they call it "National Security," it
will come with the mass media
manipulating a clever concentration
camp of the mind. The super state
will provide you tranquility above
the truth, the super state will make
you believe you are living in the
best of all possible worlds, and in
order to do so will rewrite history
as it sees fit.

George Orwell's Ministry of Truth warned us, "Who
controls the past, controls the
future."

** A Congressional Investigation from 1976 - 1979 found a
"probable conspiracy" in the assassination of John F. Kennedy
and recommended the Justice Department investigate further.
As of 1991, the Justice Department has done nothing


.....if you stop and think about it for a few minutes...this is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11...after another coup in 2000...the media started spoutin' OSAMA...TALIBAN...and history repeats.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:35 PM
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115. The ghost of John F. Kennedy confronts US at the heart......
"The ghost of John F. Kennedy
confronts us with the secret murder
at the heart of the American dream.

He forces on us the appalling
questions: Of what is our
Constitution made?

What is our
citizenship, and more, our lives
worth?

What is the future of a
democracy where a President can be
assassinated under conspicuously
suspicious circumstances while the
machinery of legal action scarcely
trembles?

How many political murders,
disguised as heart attacks, cancer,
suicides, airplane and car crashes,
drug overdoses will occur before
they are exposed for what they are?"


JIM GARRISON~ Orleans Parish, Louisiana District Attorney
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:26 PM
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24. I never noticed that agents dismay , still today we see more, no wonder
it went without a hitch.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:33 PM
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26. creepy
that is also the first time I noticed how close Jackie was to the last shot. :(
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:36 PM
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28. Listen to this speech from Kennedy!!!!!! just posted on the internet.
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PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:38 PM
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29. I'm no tin foilist, but......
I thought that move was awfully bizarre on the Secret Service's part. It's one thing for JFK to not want the "bubble" on top of the car (he was known for wanting to be closer to people as their elected leader), but its quite another for him to not even want the SS on the bumper of the car.

This is highly disturbing.
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Scoot420fla Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:44 PM
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30. Another good JFK Movie - Was Bush Sr in on it?
http://www.truthstream.org/?p=90

(JFK II - The Bush Connection)
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:43 PM
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39. Amazing how the bushes seem to be around when anything bad
happens - for the last 45 years.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:55 PM
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48. And they know it
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
- George H. W. Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:32 AM
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77. It wrote a poem. "When a Bush is around shit happens"
But I can't find it. :-(
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:01 PM
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33. JFK Agents
Most of the SS agents in the follow-up car were hung over from the night before. They'd been out partying at a nightclub owned by a friend of Jack Ruby until past 4 A.M. During that time, JFK was being guarded by two unarmed firemen.

Clint Hill, the agent who actually responded to the shooting and hopped on the back of the limo, was the only exception, to my knowledge. Then again, he wasn't originally scheduled to be on the Dallas trip. He was asked to join at the last minute by Jackie Kennedy, and his official assignment was to protect the First Lady.

FWIW.

There are plenty of crazy, crackpot theories about the Kennedy assassination, the craziest of all being that Lee Harvey Oswald carried it out alone.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 05:54 AM
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68. No more crazy then a few guys armed with box cutters
They tell everybody what to believe. Yet despite evidence pointing to something contrary most people believe them.

There is no way these dudes with box cutters carried out multiple impossible coincidental miracles on 9/11. Just like there is no way some dude with a bolt action rifle gets off several shots in a few seconds with accuracy. These few shots from far away with a three dollar surplus rifle that has the scope incorrectly aimed.
To top off the rifle accuracy problem with the single bullet theory is just another impossible on another impossible.

Yea, we believe the official story :shrug:
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:48 PM
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121. James Tague
Not to mention that the whole reason for the single bullet theory, the third wounded man who was standing by the triple underpass, was in a position nowhere near the "Oswald Window's" line of sight. Just one of the things I checked out for myself when I visited Dealey Plaza a couple of years ago.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:27 PM
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37. Can anyone name the two SS men who were ordered to
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 07:29 PM by higher class
back away?

Someone asked if the Emory guy is still alive? Anyone know?

How many players, companies, agencies match up in the
assassination of JFK and the tragedy of 9-11?

Brown and Root ..................... Kellogg, Brown, Root
(profited Vietnam after LBJ)...... (profited 9-11)
Arlen Spector ........................ Arlen Spector
Bush, Sr? ............................. Bush, Jr
FBI ..................................... FBI
CIA ..................................... CIA


post event through film:
Oliver Stone ......................... Oliver Stone

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:47 PM
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41. Henry J. Rybka was ordered off the car.
THE STRANGE ACTIONS (AND INACTION)
OF AGENT EMORY ROBERTS


by Vincent M. Palamara (Copyright 1999)

http://www.jfklink.com/articles/EmoryRoberts.html

Palamara is THE expert on the topic of the Secret Service in Dallas.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:51 PM
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102. Go Octafish ~ glad you are here to lend
Edited on Mon Sep-04-06 12:54 PM by goclark
your TRUTH to the discussion.

It amazes me that a :tinhat: is always a put down.

If more :tinfoilhat: 's had been allowed to speak up for JFK and RFK we would not be in this mess now.

I just knew that POPPY was going to be in the middle of this one too.

He was waiting in the wings and set up a way to get the ear of the LBJ crooks.

Huuum, Why is CLINTON playing into the hands of Poppy? Clinton should be smarter than that but he isn't. :(

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:12 PM
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44. Yes, Dave Emory is still alive. And I listened to his friday show.
It was incredible. It was regarding the JFK assassination of all things. And it included a very interesting call in from a man whom I forget, but who was involved in the Nixon tapes. There is serious question about information regarding the jfk assassination being part of the famously erased section of Nixon tape.

I wish I had photographic memory. But I can't say more than that. Dave has been on this stuff for literally decades. One place that archives his shows is http://www.spitfirelist.com /

Oh yes, he mentioned something I'd never heard before- the "umbrella man". Someone on the grassy knowl who might have been part of the setup.

His show was so phenomenal. His caller completely verified everything he said. Which means little here, except that I am convinced after all I've heard that there was more than a single bullet, and it was more than just some nut who wanted that president dead.

It's too complicated to try and follow. We need people like Dave who have spent years on this.

I tried to find an archive of his Friday show. I just can't. But rarely can I tolerate an entire Emory show. It's too much to handle. But this one was spellbinding.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:31 PM
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46. interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown, LBJ's mistress
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 03:02 AM
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65. that is an amazing video . . . highly recommended . . . n/t
.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:28 AM
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95. wow!
Thank you for the link. I had never seen that before.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 05:48 PM
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117. LBJ murdered JFK .....sometimes conspiracies are true....
Dr. Crenshaw a well respected surgeon that was an intern at the time of the murder wrote a book about his first hand knowledge of the time in the E.R.. He concluded the orders came from the highest office in the land with LBJ being involved. His book was confirmed by the disclosure by LBJ's mistress.... and now Prison Planet puts together a detailed article that puts many pieces of the puzzle together and at least to me...answered those questions that I wanted to know for so many years. This case should be reopened and the truth told.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806j...

This next link is just more experts questioning the forensics....you don't have to wonder WHO did it anymore...

http://www.ktvu.com/news/9709821/detail.html
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:13 PM
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50. Did you all know that Nelly Connolly,
the last person still alive who was in the limo, died this last day or two?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:18 PM
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51. OMG! I've never seen it from that angle before...
Make sure young people get interested in the JFK assassination. We need a whole new generation to make sure the bastards get the justice they deserve.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:04 AM
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57. Yes, tell the children. This was the turning point for our country.
The people who did it (the ones who are alive) are still running the Republican Party.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:58 PM
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54. Seeing the grassy knoll in Dallas
and the window in the 6th street museum says alot.

I also saw the eternal flame in Arlington. We used to have presidents who were intellectual and articulate and true statesmen.

It's disgusting and amazing the frat brat W was selected as president. May he go down in infamy.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:39 AM
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60. Interesting video, in an historical sense. But the bottom line is----->
...Oswald: Guilty.

It's as simple as that, period.

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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 01:49 AM
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64. And the closed, tow the line minds, like sharks, appear right on time
Edited on Mon Sep-04-06 01:55 AM by TheWatcher
I've always wanted to ask you guys something.

How do you actually KNOW the sky is blue when all you've ever seen of the world is through Rose Tinted Glasses.

It must be painful to want to be so blind.

You guys never offer any analysis, no counter-debate.

Just one-line, generalized bits of tired propaganda like a recording from an answering machine, or a sound byte loop from Headline News.

Doesn't your mind get stagnant from the unwillingness to even PROCESS new or different information than that that you've been so desperately programmed to believe?

People like you used to upset me.

But now I pity you.

Your make it impossible for your mind or spirit to EVER grow or advance.

You need not offer an answer to my question or reply to this for it was rhetorical.

It just saddens that 44 years later, with all we have learned, that poeple so desperatey want to live a lie.

Back to sleep with you now.

What torture it must be like to live with the desperate fear that you MUST cling to the party line.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:26 AM
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73. And what makes you right?
Oswald killed JFK. But I do believe it was a conspiracy my guess would be that the mob did it. Daddy Kennedy had his mob friends help "get the vote" out and helped get JFK elected. And how did JFK repay them? Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 07:18 AM
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70. yes, simple as that -- simple explanation for a simple mind
--as the poster above me says, you can go back to sleep now.
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:53 AM
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84. No offense, but just because someone has a different opinion doesn't
mean they have a "simple mind."



Maybe, that person has looked through the evidence and honestly thinks that Oswald was the person who killed JFK.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:00 AM
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75. Please....
I would submit that Oswald never even fired a shot that day, and was as innocent of the crime as you or I am.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:04 PM
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108. pssst...please don't argue with the President. Thanks.
;-)
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:52 AM
Response to Reply #108
122. Ooops...
Sorry, I think I'm new here.

:)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:32 AM
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97. i disagree...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:56 PM
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103. Didnt the 1st report of Gun Powder residue, say there was none on Oswald ?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:50 PM
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124. idunno
:shrug:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:47 PM
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125. IRCC yup... later retracted of course.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:51 PM
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101. Lol
Hey, I got some prime lake front property for sale in Florida. Want to buy it?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:44 AM
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61. Connally takes his secrets to the grave
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/06.14.06/david-ray-griffin...

As a postscript to my interview with David Ray Griffin, I am reminded of a March 30 article by journalist Doug Thompson published on OpEdNews.com. In it, Thompson recalls a 1981 encounter with the late John Connally, the former governor of Texas who was wounded in the Kennedy assassination. In an unguarded moment, Thompson asked Connally, "Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun that killed Kennedy?"

"Absolutely not," Connally said. "I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission."

"So why not speak out?" Thompson asked.

"I will never speak out publicly about what I believe," Connally replied, "because I love this country and we needed closure at the time."


Now here we are more than 40 years after that devastating perpetration and we have to wonder, how well did "closure" serve us? As we see daily the fruits of self-serving secrecy and unchecked power, it might be time for some disclosure instead.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 05:31 AM
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66. Denial is not closure. Only facing reality provides the path that leads to
closure. He was sadly mistaken.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #61
76. Now the same people are back and gave us 911. Didn't anyone
ever think that if they got away with killing a President, it was just a matter of time before they started killing the American people. My blood boils when they say shit like that.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:42 AM
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78. Wow, Rereading that line "We needed closure at the time," makes me ask
about what other issues did "We need closure?"

BCCI?
Iran Contra?
Oklahoma City?
9/11?

Like you I ask how closure serves us, and think disclosure would serve us better.




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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #78
81. Exactly! Don't panic the people. For the good of the country.
Cowardly excuses.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #78
109. ...& don't forgot Florida 2000.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #78
120. And add Watergate
former Warren Commission member and new president, Gerald Ford, pardoned Nixon to "spare" the country. What do you suppose he was afraid would come out if Nixon went to trial?

This country has survived a civil war, two world wars and the depression, the people could handle the truth about JFK's murder and 9/11 - it's the people running the country that wouldn't get through it.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:30 AM
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96. Years ago we did work for Governor Conally
and I had the opportunity to get to know him and talk with him about the assasination. He never spoke of the particulars, but he did say he did not believe the magic bullet theory or the Warren Commission report or that Oswald acted alone. That was enough for me to know that the conspiracy theories have more legitimacy than the official fiction that is peddled by our government.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #61
104. Don't miss this post above
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It is a long video but worth taking the time to watch. Fascinating.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 01:00 AM
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62. Ladybird's smirk was interesting
WTF?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 01:23 AM
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63. I was pregnant with my second child
when JFK was assassinated. I was working as a temp during the holiday season, and the supervisor came in, white faced, to tell us that our president had been shot. Apparently, in the initial confusion, some reports were that Connally was dead, and Kennedy wounded. A few minutes later, the truth was reported. He sent us all home.

I was working in downtown Houston, and my then husband worked near the medical center. I can't remember whether I called him, or he called me, but I remember walking the sidewalks of downtown Houston, heartbroken, shocked, and afraid. There were so many people on the sidewalks, because almost everybody was leaving work, and going home. I must have arranged with my husband to wait for him outside one of the department stores, because it didn't take long before he pulled up, to take me home.

We picked up our 2 year old at the babysitters, and went home to turn on the t.v. I never returned to my part time job. Things were just too surreal, too painful to accept right away. After years of the ho hum politics of the day, Ike, and Mamie, and their daughter Margaret, Jack and Jackie were like movie stars, young, attractive, and oh, so glamorous.

The nation watched as Jackie got off the plane in D.C., the front of skirt stained with her husband's blood. She looked numb, completely dazed. She left on that trip the First Lady of the United States, and returned a grieving widow. By the time the plane landed, LBJ had been sworn in as president. I remember John-John saluting his father's casket, and Jackie walking behind the funeral cortege with Ted and Bobby Kennedy. We saw a frightened Caroline Kennedy mourning her father, but already with an understanding of her role as a
president's child. She carried herself with more dignity than the two current daughters of a president, and was
a great deal younger.

I think that his death was the beginning of the protests of the sixties. We had had a taste of Camelot, and were not willing to go back to tired old men playing games with everybody else's lives. The nearest thing I've ever seen that came even remotely close to the atmosphere back then was when Clinton was sworn in, an Fleetwood Mac sang "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow". He was not perfect, but I always had the feeling that he at least cared some, and was willing to work grueling hours to take care of his duties.

We saw Jack Ruby shoot Oswald, on national t.v. and were horrified. I knew then, on some level, that he must have been killed to keep him from talking. The same malignancy still infests our politics, the names might change, but the agenda never does. This has become a game played with such high stakes, that I doubt any of us can fully grasp what they are doing.

I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I've seen too many things happen, to believe that every explanation we've been given is the truth. I keep hearing, in my mind, David Kelly's letter to Judith Miller, I believe it was, shortly before he died, of "dark actors, playing games." It is easier to paint us as leftist crazies, than to trace all of the evidence to it's source. Bush the first, and Bush the lesser, both in positions of power when tragic events unfolded. I know that Poppy wasn't president, but he was head of the C.I.A. What games are they playing now?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 05:34 AM
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67. The entire planet wishes they'd grow up. "dark actors, playing games" nt
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #63
105. Don't miss this link
above... sorry to keep reposting but I think as its long, people will just pass it over. I watched the whole thing - the woman risked her life to video it I think. It is a fascinating thing to watch and speaks to Connely's role as well as others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:08 PM
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110. BOOKMARKED. Note to self: watch this tomorrow.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:12 PM
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112. I'll take a look, thanks!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:31 AM
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74. This is a clip from a much longer video. JFK II. Here is a link to view
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:09 PM
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111. Will watch. Thank you!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 06:47 PM
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119. You're welcomed! :)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:45 AM
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80. How can we get that fourth video released?
I can't believe Americans don't know how evil their law enforces are. Eisenhower, "the American people have common sense" boy was he wrong. Sometimes I think we should Balkanize the country. Then we can starve the Federal demons to death. I'm sick of paying taxes to the Devil! And the Xistians keep voting for them. I hope they go to Hell for that.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:51 AM
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82. What happened to the video of Lyndon's girlfriend?!


Isn't this the thread it was on? When that video started for me it was his girlfriend being interviewed for about one hour. It was riveting!

Where did that link disappear to ~
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:56 AM
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87. Here:
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:32 PM
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114. Worth every minute. n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:02 AM
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88. DU thread:
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:10 AM
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89. I knew it! Elvis Presley killed the Kennedies! -NT
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:13 AM
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90. Amazing thread.
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 11:47 AM
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98. Here's another link
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bush_kil...

This outlines the whole history of the sinister connections of the bush family back to Prescott's involvement with the Nazis.
Welcome to the jungle.....
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:36 PM
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100. Look at Connally's face when the SS guy gets called back...
He KNOWS!
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 03:51 PM
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106. My mother shook his hand that morning in Ft. Worth, Tx.
I was in first grade and remember that day like it was last week.
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