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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:51 PM
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Americablog :Video highlights of Santorum v. Casey debate
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 12:54 PM by cal04
From the DSCC:
The first Senate debate between Bob Casey and Rick Santorum wasn't even close - Casey won. Santorum, looking unhinged, offered more of the same while Bob Casey outlined a new direction and made the case for change. Casey went head to head on Santorum's hometurf and got the better of him.

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, HERE'S THE QUICK & DIRTY: Santorum called George Bush a "terrific president," admitted to sleeping in Pennsylvania just one month a year, reiterated his support for privatizing Social Security, praised Bush's handling of Iraq and insisted there were WMD in Iraq even though the White House has acknowledged there weren't. Casey laid out a new direction, calling for the Iraqis to take the lead on their own security and detailing specific ways for enhancing the U.S. military. He outlined a plan to balance the budget and spoke about the need for Pennsylvania to have a Senator who will hold George Bush accountable for advancing an ineffective agenda.

VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: Here are video highlights you'll be talking about when you go back to work next week:

videos of
When asked how much time he spends in his Pennsylvania home
When asked whether he thinks George Bush has been a great president
In response to Santorum insisting that there WMD in Iraq, a claim that even the White House discredits, Casey said:

videos
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/video-highlight...
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:19 PM
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1. Meet the press interview
There were a couple of times that Santorum was reduced to doing his "Elmer Fudd" impersonation.

Great debate!
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:23 PM
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2. I saw MTP this morning. Casey was great. Santorum was same-old.
There were times when I thought Santorum must have thought this campaign was taking place in 2002 or 2004. Clueless!

Casey was terrific. He showed his intelligence and made Santorum look like a "talking points" fool.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 03:21 PM
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7. Hi George II!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:36 PM
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12. Thanks New Yawker
I'm one of "youse" too. Glad to be here among the sane ones!
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:31 PM
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3. 
Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) debated challenger Bob Casey today on Meet the Press. As Atrios first noted, Santorum said during the debate, I think his father would be very upset if, if he were alive today and, and heard him be supportive of something like this. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/03/casey-father/
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:43 PM
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4. The debate
One thing that was particularly power is sort of what John Kerry was accused of doing. Sometimes Kerry seemed to ramble on a point and beat it into the ground losing its appeal while the Shrub would make a quick one-liner. People tend to remember the one-liners.

Santorum was rambling with anger many times today trying to steam-roll Casey and sucking up all the airtime. However, a number of times Casey got the final punch right before a commercial or before the next question.

One that stuck out was about the budget. After Casey answered questions about the budget Santorum went on some rampage about some local PA. issues that Casey was involved in regarding a legal case and raising wages. It really had nothing to do with the question about federal budgets. When pRick Santorum was done with his rant Casey basically said "Well you have a lot of explaining regarding why you voted for record deficits and debt." Then they went right to a commercial.

In advertising the most powerful message is quick and usually what is remembered is the last thing said. casey dominated that front today.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 03:26 PM
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8. Casey should have slapped him right then and there.
Santorum is such scum.
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Frazzled Educator Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:34 PM
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11. You're in deep trouble if you have to pull the "Dead Relative" card
out of your ass to score a cheap, pandering point.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:39 PM
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13. Lots worse!
That's sooo much worse than Kerry mentioning the Cheneys' lesbian daughter, which they paraded around in 2004 to try to give the illusion that they had a small sense of "progressiveness" If Kerry was, as Lynne Cheney called him, "despicable", what does that make Santorum (other than the flaming idiot we all knew he was)?

I thought Santorum looked almost ashamed about doing the debate, knowing he was grossly outmatched, both in debating skills AND intelligence. It deteriorated to the point where Santorum resorted to continued interruptions when he ran out of RNC bullet points.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:27 PM
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19. OOPS !!!
John Kerry DID NOT bring up Cheney's daughter...........it was John Edwards. He mentioned it briefly during his debate with Cheney. Just to set the record straight!! Your welcome!!(in advance of your thank you.)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:59 PM
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21. Yep
And considering she had already politicized her sexual orientation to score political points for her father...that little episode was just the Dem Party and alleged liberal media tucking tail between legs and failing to stick up for Kerry, who was perfectly fine in mentioning her as he did.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:27 PM
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29. I was talking about the bush-Kerry debate
After that one was when Lynne acted indignant and called Kerry despicable. No big deal, they trotted her out at the convention and campaign stops to look like they cared - UNTIL someone other than them brought up her name.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:46 PM
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45. they both mentioned that
I don't know which brought it up first if that's what you're refering to but John Kerry definitely brought it up.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:02 PM
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22. especially after he repeatedly accused Casey of "interrupting" him...
hie CONSTANTLY interrupted Casey every time - and then would whine about "let me finish"...
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:17 PM
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36. Mea Culpa!
Sorry, I had forgotten that Kerry also mentioned Cheney's daughter, however, being very kind about the whole issue. It was John Edwards that brought it up first tho'! So much bullshit has happened since then, I can't remember which end is up anymore. Do ya think that's part of their plan???? God help us!!!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:40 PM
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14. What about His Dead Child He Brought Home with Him
since he wants to bring up Dead people into his campaign.
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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:46 PM
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32. Casey should have bitch slapped him for that remark.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:29 PM
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5. I thought Casey could have done much better
with concrete answers to a lot of Santorum's assertions. BUT, I think Casey came across much more calm and collected...almost like he was the incumbent, while Santorum seemed angry and desperate at times.

Casey should have been able to bring up the gross expenditures on Iraq and the fiscal impact of the caymen island corporate tax loopholes when Tim threw up that totally bogus and misleading chart. But he let it stand and I felt that was a big missed opportunity.

Nonetheless he's still way ahead of Santorum who looked like a total idiot talking about fiscal restraint when he's lead the charge for the biggest debt and deficit in world history.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:04 PM
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50. I think Casey's plan is to let Rick Santorum look like a lunatic
Rick is coming out of this race looking like he has his head up his ass and then in comes Casey looking calm and together.

But this race is gonna get a whole lot worse before it's over!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:37 PM
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6. ALL I COULD STOMACH..
Was that clip about him saying the thing about Casey's dad... Ricky is a dick.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- wow!
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Frazzled Educator Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:26 PM
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9. Santorum is one of the 6 people I believe are going down to give us
The Senate.

My six predictions of Republicans losing are:

Burns - MT
Allen - VA
Santorum - PA
DeWine - OH
Talent - MO
Chafee - RI

Arizona and Tennessee are Tossups. TN I see going Democrat with Harold Ford. AZ I see staying in Republican hands.

Vermont will be Sanders and he votes Democrat 99.9% of the time.

Connecticute will be an ideological pickup as Lamont should beat Lieberman bad, as Censorin' Joe and the Republican candidate will split the GOP vote.

Wow. My first ever post after just reading the postings and articles for a long time.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:32 PM
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10. We can't wait to get Santorum out.
Bob Casey will make a great Senator. IMHO, Santorum was in a panicky state of mind. He was yelling and getting red in the face. And to say that Casey's dead father would be ashamed of him! Only a sick, desperate snake would make such a disgusting statement.

Welcome to DU! :toast: I like your predictions. :)

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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:45 PM
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15. Connecticut Senate
Unfortunately, this won't be a case of Lieberman and the republican candidate splitting the republican vote. At last count, Gamblin' Alan was getting only 4% of the vote. I just hope he pulls more voters as the election gets closer. There are too many people here in CT that think Lieberman is "honest and moral". I think it's going to be a close one.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 04:47 PM
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16. Welcome to DU, Frazzled Educator.
From your mouth to God's ear.

Having lived in both Virginia and Tennessee (and still considering Virginia my home state because family is there), I would love to see Webb and Ford cruise to victory.

:hi:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:00 PM
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17. I agree.
As a note I think that the Republican will go up in the polls slightly more, but I think most of Lamont's vote will come from an increase in the number of Democrats and left-leaning indies who LIE is losing the confidence in atm.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:23 PM
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28. Lieberman vs. Lamont
With roughly 40% of Connecticut voters being independent, predicting this one is difficult. I just hope that Schlesinger pulls more votes than the current polls say due to Rell's popularity. It's almost a foregone conclusion that she'll win. It's just by how much and how many republicans get out to vote. But, the independents in CT usually go democratic anyway, it's just which "democrat" they'll go for. Very tough to call this one.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:24 PM
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18. Orginally from RI and my 92-yr old mother. a Dem told me the
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 05:25 PM by caledesi
other day that Chafee is dust. Course, no help from rethugs....they hate him. He didn't even vote for * in 2004.

edit: spelling
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:07 PM
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35. Agree, Santorum is losing and he knows it
His anger and desperation are evident.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:51 PM
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37. Welcome to DU posting!
But the Pukes in CT are ALL going to vote for Lieberman. Lamont will win anyway.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:31 PM
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20. ...err...I'm sorry....Casey didn't win that.
Sorry.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:02 PM
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23. Sure he did
He was calm and collected and answered the questions. Santorum dodged half the questions, desperately accusing Caey of not giving specifics in case where Casey had, in fact, given specifics.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:04 PM
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24. Santorum acted like a whiny little brat and Casey while not a firebrand
handled himself with poise and dignity which made Santorum look even more like a ill-mannered desperate dumbass.
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LetsGoMurphys Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:24 PM
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25. Im a huge Casey supporter
from my hometown and everything. I agree, he did not win.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:05 PM
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34. Welcome to DU!
Interesting, lots of new posters here today who think Santorum won.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 02:55 PM
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41. Ive been posting here for years.
Welcome.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:41 PM
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42. You mean "a year", right? Anyway, those abrupt, delarative statements,
especially when followed by a seemingly insincere "sorry", can sound like a RW, O'Lielly kind of thing. MKJ
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 10:42 PM
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44. No, I'm truly sorry
as this reminds me of the crap they were spewing at Freeperville after the second Bush-Kerry Debate, when it was obvious Bush got trounced, but the True Believers stood by anyways.

Do I feel any type of vindication or joy out of declaring a loss here? Of course not. But to deny reality hurts us in these campaigns, and doesn't allow for adjustements necessary to ACTUALLY WIN A FUCKING ELECTION FOR ONCE.

The back-patters and loyalists always blindly declare victory, which is fine if you have the backing of the majority, as history will judge you the victor, at least in the short term. But we may not. So lets adjust and adapt, and win a frikken election for once.

Casey didn't win this. He came off as weak, and uncertain. His assertion that the solution to a geopolitical trajedy like Iraq requires "More special forces" basically invalidates anything else he has to say.

Again, I'm sorry.

Truth hurts.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:43 AM
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46. So you're saying Santorum won? I'd love to here your thoughts on what
brilliant ripostes Ricky offered up that allows him to claim victory, in your eyes. MKJ
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:28 PM
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26. Any Reasoning As To Your Opinion Why? Or Are You Just Saying It To Say It
I'd be curious to hear why you feel so strongly that he didn't win. That would help lend any possibility of credence to your statement.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:40 PM
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27. What makes you say that?
Was there even one time when Casey came off looking worse than Santorum?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:38 PM
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31. You're right Mac... Casey won BIG TIME !!!!
No doubt about that!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:04 PM
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33. Welcome to DU!
n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:37 PM
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30. Horrible Highlights.
I was hoping to get a good glimpse of the debate. Ain't no way anyone could make a judgement based on those very limited 10 seconds each clips. There wasn't even any objectivity to see how Casey did.

Are there any links to better and more lengthy video of their debate today?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:01 AM
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39. Complete video or audio is available at msnbc.com
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:09 AM
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40. delete--found it
Edited on Mon Sep-04-06 09:10 AM by ima_sinnic
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 09:54 PM
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43. MTP was a terrible forum for a debate
Wasn't even a debate, it was Ricky "we hope to lose your number" Santorum being overly aggressive and Pumpkinhead wouldn't step in and give Casey a chance to talk.
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:17 AM
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47. Agreed, benny05. And, I think Casey was way too soft.
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 10:09 AM by brg5001
I was rather disappointed to see Sanitorium being allowed to repeatedly make assertions that were flat-out unsupportable. Moreover, Casey (and other Dems) need to take a deep breath and say something like this:

"Fine. If this is the most important ideological struggle of our time, then Republican strategies aren't working! For one, how can you justify demonizing over half the population of the United States that is opposed to the occupation in Iraq -- and by the way, that's exactly what is, a failing occupation that was never planned or thought through in the rush to war. Insulting your countrymen is no way to fight the most important ideological struggle of our time. Also, why the need to continue trotting out straw men on terror surveillance? We're all against terror, Mr. Sanitorium. I challenge Sen. Sanitorium right now to look America in the eye and explain how the framers of the constitution were appeasing terrorists by forcing the government to obtain probable cause prior to searches. Do Republicans believe that a secret American court can't be trusted to keep secrets? Obviously so. It's been said that those who will trade freedom for a little security deserve neither. Why is Sen. Santiorium opposed to our God-given, hard won freedoms? And how can we stand as a beacon to those who aren't free by defiling the system that guarantees those freedoms?

"I'm not saying that security isn't important, though. It is. So why is it that they have refused to allow Democrats to put forth bills that would help ensure our domestic security by screening all of the cargo that comes through our ports and stepping up operations at vulnerable nuclear and mass-transit facilities? And why have so many homeland security funds that should be protecting our citizens in the most populous regions been diverted to pork projects like the bridge to nowhere and costly electronic signs for county fairs? Meanwhile, on border security, rather than actually sitting down and doing anything, conservative Republicans have been busily gallivanting around the country ginning up fear -- OF MEXICANS, for crying out loud! We're spending hundreds of billions of precious tax dollars on domestic pork and this ill-advised conflict in Iraq while real Americans remain vulnerable every day. It's an inconvenient truth that Democrats have tried to point out, but the Republican majority won't allow any real debate. Sen. Sanitorium says that we can't leave until the job is finished. Well, the real job that needs to finished overseas -- and at home for that matter -- is the con job that the Repubicans have been pulling that they are committed to making us safer. Their only commitment so far has been to avoid admitting what all of us can see -- that their policies are destroying our unity at home and have created a fiasco overseas. And Sen. Santorum has the nerve to take credit that there hasn't been a major terrorist attack on our shores since Sept. 11. To me, that sounds dangerously close to "bring it on!" Famous last words! This is not the time to crow and pound our chests. It's time to follow the Democrats' plan and commit the necessary money and manpower to homeland defense, while rebuilding relations with our allies. Slogans like "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to face them here," -- there's no logic in that. Who are they? The factions shooting at each other in Iraq weren't enemies of America -- until we invaded! Slogans are not strategies.

"Finally, I want Sen. Sanitorium to look me in the eye, face to face, and tell ME that I'm unpatriotic and want to see al-Quaeda and other religious extremists win this ideological battle. Do it, Senator. Tell me that I hate America. That's what you've been insinuating, and frankly I'm sick of it. He won't do it, Tim...because now the spotlight is on and he's running faster than a cockroach from a can of Raid. This politically planned strategy of questioning the patriotism of anyone who dares to challenge a president who has violated the Constitution, embarrased America, chased away our allies and undermined the very "war on terror" that he claims to be prosecuting so effectively, -- well, that's the hallmark of a coward. The real cut-and-run artists are Rick Sanitorium and other Bush loyalists. Face it, Rick. I know it's hard, but America has never been served by cowards who won't admit the truth. America deserves better than this and your tried-and-true strategy of calling us devils or appeasers or liberals isn't working anymore. We're smarter than that now. You're going to need a new act, and I'm going to help you find it by sending you packing from the Senate."


My question is, why aren't DEOMOCRATS talking like THAT? We contine to allow the right to spew their vomit. It's time to scrape it up and throw it back at them.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 10:37 AM
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48. Thanks, and Welcome to the DU, brg 5001
:hi:
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:59 PM
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49. It's good to be here! Thanks for the warm welcome!
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 02:03 PM by brg5001
Speaking of Meet the Press: Two weeks ago, Meet the Press was hosted Tim Russert, and featured a panel of TWO CONSERVATIVES (one of whom was from the National Review, the other was Robert Novak). The other two panelists? One journalist from the Wall Street Journal, one from the Washington Post. No liberals whatsoever! More proof that the concept of the "Liberal News Media" is a fallacy invented by Limbaugh, Hannity et al.
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geopeg Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:07 PM
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51. debate
I'm from just outside PIttsburgh and I made sure to set my oven alarm so not to miss the debate. Now, I"ll grant you that Casey was not as good as he could be,(Russert would not shut his mouth and wouldn't tell Santorum to butt out when Casey spoke)but tricky ricky was like a rabid dog.He sputtered and repeated over and over.but said nothing. He was probably spitting all over the other 2. I think Casey made enough points to be called the winner over that stammering idiot.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:14 PM
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52. I didn't see the debate, but..
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 03:16 PM by mvd
if Santorum invoked Casey's father, anyone who criticized Kerry for mentioning Cheney's daughter should do the same after this.

I couldn't feel much less enthusiastic about Casey. He lacks passion, and I disagree with him on many things that are important to me. Howard Dean has shown that you can be somewhat moderate Democrat and be passionate - he's done as well as he can as DNC chair IMO under the circumstances. I like Dean. If Howard Dean's moderate, then Casey would be a conservative Democrat. Still, I have to vote Casey instead of leaving that part blank like I did last time. We need control of that Senate.
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