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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:00 PM
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Newsweek: The 'Islamofascists'.. debate over what to call the bad guys
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640535/site/newsweek/

The 'Islamofascists'
Bush's new national-security offensive has been plagued by debate over what to call the bad guys.

By Richard Wolffe and Holly Bailey

Newsweek

Sept. 11, 2006 issue - Last fall White House aides were grappling with a seemingly simple question that had eluded them for years: what should the president, in his many speeches on the war on terror, call the enemy? They were searching for a single clean phrase that could both define the foe and reassure Americans who were confused by a conflict that had grown much bigger than Osama bin Laden. But the answer was anything but simple. Some academics preferred the term "Islamism," but the aides thought that sounded too much as if America were fighting the entire religion. Another option: jihadism. But to many Muslims, it's a positive word that doesn't necessarily evoke bloodshed. Some preferred the conservative buzzword "Islamofascism," which was catchy and tied neatly into Bush's historical view of the struggle.

But when national-security adviser Steve Hadley called the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department, the experts nixed the idea of a single phrase for a war that was so complex. "There was a conscious desire not to use just one definitive word, because there wasn't a perfect word," recalls Michael Gerson, Bush's chief speechwriter at the time (and now a NEWSWEEK contributor). The result was a rhetorical mishmash. "Some call this evil Islamic radicalism," Bush explained, "others, militant jihadism; still others, Islamofascism. Whatever it's called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam."

Five years after 9/11, and more than three years after invading Iraq, President Bush is still searching for the perfect phrase to define the enemy in the war on terror—and reassure Americans who will soon head to the polls. Other Republicans—including Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who is in a tough re-election race—have adopted "Islamofascism" as shorthand for terrorists. The term gained currency in the early '90s in reference to radical Muslim clerics, and was popularized after 9/11 by neocons.

Bush has used the term "Islamic fascists" sporadically, most recently to describe the alleged London bomb plotters last month. But the phrase was noticeably absent from his latest major speech on the war last week—which was part of a procession of campaign-style addresses by the administration's biggest names. This time he called the bad guys "a worldwide network of radicals that use terror to kill those who stand in the way of their totalitarian ideology." It was hardly the kind of pithy slogan GOP activists could slap on a bumper sticker.

more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640535/site/newsweek/
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PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:03 PM
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1. When will these assholes stop using meaningless terms...
Probably never.

But it is easy to see what sort of tactics they are using, and ol' Josef Goebells would be proud.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:05 PM
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2. I call the bad guys the BFEE
The Bush Family evil empire.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:08 PM
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3. Well, since no Islamic country has merged the corporate
with the state, "fascist" is out.

You'd think these damned fools would consult a dictionary, but NO-OO-O, they've got to use a name that applies perfectly well to them in every sense of the term and paste it onto people they don't like so maybe we'll forget who it really belongs to.

This is even clumsier and more transparent than the usual feces flinging.
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azygous Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 10:03 PM
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14. Recently published dictionaries
leave out any reference to corporatism. They define fascism as being related to dictatorships and totalinarianism. Big corporations, publishing industry especially, are busy redefining our language to suit their purposes. I noticed this while standing in line today at the market and paging through the dictionaries they had on a rack by the checkout.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:09 PM
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4. i remember many time Bush calling them "Folks" and then bigfoot tells
him to stop.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:12 PM
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5. How can Islamofascism be shorthand for Terrorists....
Six syllables vs. Three....
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PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:14 PM
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6. "Islamofascism" isn't even a proper WORD
thats what we need to stay focused on. Educate the public as to why. These rethug assholes are ALWAYS playing games with the language to mischaractize for their benefit.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:18 PM
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7. yall should just call em JeeHaaadistists.. it calls the pigs in for me.!!.
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 09:23 PM by sam sarrha
the english ended the suicide jehadists in india at the turn of the century by sewing up their bodies in fresh skinned out hog hides and buried them in an undisclosed location, denying them all the virgins and entrance into heaven. we could embalm them with the rancid piss of crack whores.. if no hogs are available..
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PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:25 PM
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9. Actually, no
Jihaad, according to the Holy Qur'an, is not supposed to be a political insurrection. It is only to be entered into when you or your community of faith are being attacked. And, there are several forms of it too - not all physical. Someone can be making jihaad by making a public speech.

Don't let the Rethugs be your dictionary, please.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:33 PM
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11. you are right..this isn't as easy as i thought...narcisstic islamo deviants
thank you for being nice about it...

the process aparently started in the 20's in Egypt with the 'islamic brotherhood'

how about.. Islomo-Bro's
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:22 PM
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8. I am a patriotic American and I know what to call the bad guys
- Members of the republican party
- Religiously insane bastards who have no use for our constitution who proclaim themselves "Christians"
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:27 PM
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10. on AAR they were talking about a book, 'end of religion' or NeuroReligion
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 09:28 PM by sam sarrha
.. they said it was wonderful.. they said by the time you get through the book you feel you were a lunatic for believing in religion..not just the Islo-jehadists

i am going to go to the WhiteRoseSociety.com and get the specifics, i didn't have time to listen to it all..
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:55 PM
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12. Why'd they scrap "evildoers"? It had such a nice ring to it.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:57 PM
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13. George Bush's allies.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 10:06 PM
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15. Yep
The neocons like to use rw religous extremists as tools to acheive their goals. It doesn't matter what religion it is, as long as they are rw nutty authoritarians.
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