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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:43 PM
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Now Southern Baptist leaders are purging each other.
Maybe they will purge each other out of existence, and let the people have their church back. This is an interesting article, with a new voice of moderation I had not heard yet. I miss the church as it used to be, but the Al Mohler bunch (shades of Larry King the other night) grabbed it and just took it over. They were ruthless, and it was so quick few realized it until too late.

My dad was still alive when some of it was happening in a church he helped found, and it just devastated him to see the bigotry.

Baptists take aim at themselves

Leaders accused of starting a "war" for the future of the Southern Convention.

By RACHEL ZOLL
The Associated Press

After purging liberals from their ranks, Southern Baptist conservatives who won control of their denomination are now taking aim at each other.

The Rev. Wade Burleson, a Baptist leader from Oklahoma, says fellow conservatives who crusaded to elect only leaders who believe the Bible is literally true are carrying their campaign too far, targeting Southern Baptists who disagree with them on other issues.

These leaders, he wrote on his blog, are "following the same battle plan conservatives used to defeat liberalism," and have started a "war" for the future of the SBC.

Burleson's postings may have already cost him a leadership role in the denomination. Trustees of the Southern Baptist international missionary agency took the first step this month toward ousting him from their board, accusing him of "broken trust" for writing about a meeting on his Web site. The seemingly minor conflict has broader significance.


I like this man, and you need to read this article. He is right. They are just like the conservatives now, they have so much power they can't handle it.

"Conservatives who loved the battles of decades past have fallen victim to a crusading mentality of bloodthirst," Burleson wrote. "Since all the liberals are gone, conservative crusaders are now killing fellow conservatives."

"The Southern Baptist leadership is so ideologically driven that it's almost impossible for them not to continually draw lines and narrow the boundaries," he said. "In the early stages, this was publicly evident with the moderates and liberals. Now, when the convention meets annually in June, you wonder who they're going to throw out this year. There's always somebody."


I did a search on this guy, Burleson, and I found this article from 1998. I was very impressed by a few paragraphs.

Students challenged to love unconditionally

Burleson said that Christians often have very legalistic ideas of how they are supposed to behave. He blames the church for this mentality.

"If you look at the church and listen to its preaching, you'll get worn out hearing all of the rules for how Christians are supposed to act," Burleson said. "You'll find Christianity being defined by the externals. Christians don't drink. We don't wear pants on Sundays. We have to wear our hair in a certain way."'

Burleson argued that Christians should be among the first to accept others because of the love God has given them, and he challenged the OBU audience to love others unconditionally.

"There are people inside this room and outside those doors that are hurting," he said. "There are people that do not live according to the standards God has set for you, but you must love graciously."


Thank you, Rev. Burleson, that is what has been missing in my childhood church for a long long time.








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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:45 PM
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1. They don't have us to beat up on anymore
I say they deserve it.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:47 PM
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2. The extreme right always destroys itself with purges
in the quest for religious/ideological purity among its members.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:51 PM
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3. BEST.QUOTE. EVER: Christians don't drink. We don't wear pants on Sundays.
Yep. Never mix drinking with non-pants wearing people. Recipe for disaster.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:00 PM
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6. It is funny, but it is still an issue about women and dresses....
believe it or not. I believe it cause I saw it. I like this guy's attitude...forget the "externals."

I don't know if women are "allowed" to wear slacks to church yet around here. I left the church in 03. When I left, it was frowned upon.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:13 PM
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11. Wow, really?
We can wear pants. I wear dress pants sometimes on real cold days.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:17 PM
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13. ROTFLMAO!!
So all these Christians are drinking lemonaid in their underware?

:D:D:D
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:55 PM
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4. "Bloodthirst".
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 04:10 PM by Kurovski
Now there's a word you don't hear often enough in church...

Could be a development that helps to swing them back to reason and decency. WWJD?

Recommended.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:08 PM
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7. Yet very appropriate for the church as it is now.
They are bloodthirsty for power and control, sadly.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:00 PM
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5. AWHH! Ain't that just too bad
Let them wipe each other, it keeps them too busy to mess with anybody else.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:06 PM
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8. The whirlpool in the drain effect.
Not unlike what the corporations are doing to our jobs and our future.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:36 PM
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9. Mohler, head of the Baptist Seminary.....truly alarms me.
He and I went to the same church at different times. We became two different people. He happened to be growing up there when the hijacking was taking place. It really worked on him. Too bad.

I remember hearing about his appearance on Larry King condemning Catholics to hell. I think he did the same on Donahue. It is really how these folks feel. There is no tolerance.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2000/4_3/pages/mohler.html

Mohler calls Catholicism 'false church'
___LOUISVILLE, Ky. (RNS)--The president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary has called the Roman Catholic Church "a false church" that "teaches a false gospel."
___Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live," Al Mohler was speaking on Pope John Paul II's pilgrimage to Israel and his recent apologies for the past sins of the Catholic Church. While stopping short of calling the Catholic Church a "cult," Mohler said the Catholic hierarchy is unbiblical.
___"As an evangelical, I believe the Roman church is a false church and it teaches a false gospel," Mohler said. "I believe the pope himself holds a false and unbiblical office."


Al, you son of a ____. You were such a cute kid.




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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:12 PM
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10. I don't mean to sound harsh at all. . .
but there is something so phony. . .so smelly....about rightwing evangelism that I have always, always felt these men were crooks and con artists. I tend to advocate holding these screeching dipsh*ts up as prime examples of Republican mental illness - people who are unable or unwilling to truly work constructively to earn a living and who collect welfare by coercing their flock to constantly provide more power and income.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:14 PM
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12. You can feel it
It's more about control. I think Jimmy Carter mentions this in his latest book "Our Endangered Values."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:28 PM
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14. Power....
They felt the pull of power. They are the harsh ones, they are not full of Christian love. They are full of an angry kind of bigotry.
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