Now that Armitage has been identified as "the leaker", the freepers on my

[driver8]

veteran's board are as happy as pigs in shit.

"Time to eat crow, Dems..." , "Someone owes Libby an apology..." "Fitzgerald has abused his power."

This is the bullshit that I have been hearing from them. They take one little piece of information that might mean something and they spin it into the story of the century. When I challenge them with facts, then I am "a Bush hater who refuses to admit that I was wrong."

I am tired of beating my head against the wall trying to get through to these people. They don't want to hear the truth about anything and never believe it, anyway. Whatever source I give them is never good enough -- there is always a "liberal slant" or a reason the information I provide is not adequate.

I hate to say it, but I am giving up on these people.

They are too far gone.

[TheFriedPiper]

1. It's hard to break through when they have their closed group to

reinforce their delusions.

It's like a church or any other cult gathering.

No reasoning with people who are not grounded in reality.

[MADem]

2. You should, they're preaching to an ever shrinking choir anyway.

Bottom line is, no one's dropped any charges, have they? And no one is indicting Libby for LEAKING.

They're getting him for obstructing and LYING.

There are reasonable veterans here and in many other places. I'm one, and I live across the street from a Korean War vet who, on cursory inspection based on his dress, choice of ballcaps, his excessive enthusiasm for patriotic holidays, you'd maybe suspect was a Bushfellah--start talking to him, though, and he hates the bastard more than anyone I've ever met!

[janx]

5. Good point about Libby--

and the intriguing question is: WHY? It certainly wasn't to cover for Armitage.

[MADem]

6. WHY? To fuck Wilson. To respond to the request scribbled by

Cheney on the NYT OP ED. Armitage was just a damn fat gossip; how convenient for the White House that he could never keep his mouth shut. Unknowingly, his big mouth muddied the waters a tad.

It was a Libby-Rove "ratfuck" of the highest order. And the command came from Big Dick.

[janx]

7. It was a rhetorical question.

;-)

Motive will have to be ascertained at Libby's trial, no? (This is a real question. I'm dying to know.)

[MADem]

8. I know...I was just expressing high dudgeon! NT

[janx]

9. It seems unlikely that Fitzgerald would have gone for the Libby

indictment unless he was reasonably sure he could show motive.

[MADem]

10. No, all he had to do is show that the guy LIED. That's all.

The minute you lie to a federal investigator, you've committed a felony.

He caught the bastard in an outright lie, that's where the indictment came from.

[janx]

11. So what I'm wondering is--

Will the Libby trial produce more evidence, or will the matter end there? If motive is addressed at all, then the Office of the VP could be in a great deal of trouble.

[MADem]

12. Odds are it will end with Scooter taking the hit, and covering for Dick

Then Bush trots out a pardon. Bearpoker Libby probably won't do a day in jail. Out on appeal, Christmas pardon.

Think Cap Weinberger.

[janx]

14. Let's hope not!

:toast:

[MissWaverly]

3. I predict, Bush will save Libby & Rove with pardons

meanwhile, they are branding people for speaking out, even to the tune
of getting them fired.

[janx]

4. It's kind of sad, really.

They want it to be over so badly that they're willing to pretend it's over.

[leesa]

13. I don't get this. His "leak" is a the next month after the first leaks,

isn't it?

[ThoughtCriminal]

15. They are largely ignoring

1) That both Rove and Libby also leaked to reporters prior to publication of Novak's column
2) Assume that Armitage was anti-war and had no motive. Armitage was a PNAC signator who had wanted to take out Sadaam since 1998.
3) That Armitage dropped Plame's employment by accident as casual gossip. But when Novak called Rove, he said that he heard that Plame played a role in arranging Wilson's Niger trip. Not exactly unrelated gossip is it?

While we're on the subject, I've been wondering about where Rove "Heard" about Plame prior to talking to Novak. He claims he heard it from a journalist. Odds are pretty good that he is lying, but for the sake of the argument, who could the journalist be? I think at that time, the only journalists that had knowledge beside Novak were Judy Miller (from Libby) and Woodward (from Armitage). If he considered Ari Fleisher a "journalist", I guess he could be on the short list too.

[ktlyon]

16. your last word to them should be, we will see the outcome when

we get to the end... the story has not reached the end

[ThomWV]

17. Remind Them He Was 1 Of 2 Sources, and Not the 1st.

[EstimatedProphet]

18. Call them stupid and laugh at them

Reason doesn't work on the unreasonable, so make fun of them.