The pictures of Johnny Gosch. Were they a message?

[Joanne98]

Were they left by a friend of Johnny's to get the story back in the news? Were they left by a political operative who wants to bring the Bush family down? Were they left as pay-back by the CIA for the outing of Valerie Plame. Or were they left by Jeff Gannon himself to signal that he's ready to talk? Let's help Noreen. What's the message DU?

[Lars39]

1. Another possibility is that someone involved felt the need

to come clean before he/she dies.

[Joanne98]

2. But why wouldn't they just knock on the door?

If they were dying anyway. A death bed confession would make sense but there's no confession. Just pictures.

[Lars39]

5. Confessing or getting caught might not be the goal.

Just checking off something on a mental to-do list may have been sufficient. Not wanting to burn the pics 'cause he's still proud of his 'work', and being able to torment the most vocal mamma one last time, getting the pics out of the house so loved ones won't find them after his death..:shrug:
I wonder if the other parents are also going to receive copies? :shudder:

[Joanne98]

7. That sounds sensible but whoever left them would have known that

this story would be brought back up by the press and the bloggers.

[Lars39]

14. Willing to take the chance or a huge ego perhaps.

After all, at least 3 kidnappings weren't solved and it's been 24 years. :(

[Joanne98]

16. That's true. Huge ego's are known for doing stupid things.

[Benhurst]

3. For those who missed recent developments:

"DES MOINES, Iowa – The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

"The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of Sept. 5, 1982, his mother said." ...

more at link

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060901-1149-missingboy-photo.html

[I Have A Dream]

8. Thanks for the information, Benhurst. n/t

[Benhurst]

29. You're welcome.

:hi:

[Joanne98]

12. Yes. Thankyou.

[Benhurst]

30. And thankyou for your posts which follow. This story is so sad,

to say nothing of frightening.

[Joanne98]

41. Especially if it's still going on. Horrible to think about.

The press won't touch this story (for some strange reason) Maybe the blogs can dig something up.

[Joanne98]

4. Here's the first thread on this subject

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2030825

For anyone who needs to catchup.

[Joanne98]

6. here's the picture

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=364&topic_id=2030825&mesg_id=2031075

[Nickster]

48. OMG, that's horrible. n/t

[Joanne98]

9. You know who's take I'd like to hear on this.....

Remember that kid who testified before congress about child porn. I think his name was Jason. I would like to hear what he thinks.

[bluetrain]

50. Paul Bonacci?

[Joanne98]

51. No. That kid that tesified before congress this year....

He was lured into child porn and couldn't get out. His description of the molestors. Telling him he couldn't get out. The way they taunted him. I think he would have a good insight on how these people think. The perps were so bold. One of them even had the balls to show up for the hearing. Outrageous.

[bluetrain]

53. What was the case?

[Joanne98]

68. I don't know. I googled it but nothing came up.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Signs of blackmail to me

[Joanne98]

13. Wouldn't that be something. I can feel the DC sweat now.

[seemslikeadream]

18. I wonder what ever happened to this, why no follow-up?

:shrug:


"At least one highly placed Bush administration official and a wealthy businessman who procurred homosexual prostitutes from the escort services operated by the ring are cooperating with the investigation."

[Joanne98]

21. Good catch. Who was in charge of the investigation FBI?

[seemslikeadream]

27. Who owned The Times and why no follow up reporting?

Holding your cards close to your vest, Rev. Moon? Any interest in the Koreas, maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

The Times was founded in 1982 by Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Unification Church and the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, to be a conservative alternative to the larger Washington Post. To this day, it is widely perceived as maintaining a right-leaning editorial stance. By 2002, the Unification Church had spent about $1.7 billion in subsidies for the Times.

Throughout its existence the Times has portrayed itself a rival of the Post. Most established journalists <2> (apart from conservative columnists) do not view the Times positively<3> and would not wish to work there in light of its ownership,<4> underlying religious posture (see below), and potentially negative<5> impact on a journalist's career. Nonetheless, committed American conservatives have greatly welcomed the publication as an alternative to mainstream news.

[Joanne98]

31. But didn't the WP report it too. Why didn't they follow up?

Or anybody in the MSM. It seems only the bloggers talk about this. I wonder if those people at Perverted Justice have any information or have heard anything about organized rings. They did catch a guy from DHS.

[notadmblnd]

47. people here did some research while the Gannon thing

was a big story around the 2004 election. So there are some threads buried here in the archives if anyone has the resources/ability to do more. Buts it's all very interesting. what I find myself wondering now is... how much of a connection there is to this child porn ring and the Limo service that was providing pols with entertainment at the Watergate that was in the news a few months ago. I remember people saying at the time that this was a small company that from out of the blue began getting government contracts.

[Name removed]

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[Joanne98]

70. Linda Blood founded The Cult Awareness Network. She lost it in

a lawsuit to the Scientologists. Now when you call CAN they answer the phone.

[bluetrain]

72. Yeah, didn't they buy the hotline so that when you call worried that your

friend or your brother or your mother has joined a cult called Scientology they will tell you that Scientology is not a cult?

[Joanne98]

78. I don't know, Why don't we call them and ask. Linda Blood said

They don't reveal who they are. They just say "This is the Cult Awareness Network". They could be protecting themselves or others. They could be getting info on others for blackmail. Who knows. Maybe we should call them and ask why Tom Cruise is hiding baby Suri. :)

[Joanne98]

80. Oh! They didn't BUY the hotline. They seized it in the lawsuit.

they asked the court for possession of the NAME. That's what Linda Blood saz anyway. I never checked the court docs. Some people say she's not credible but I don't know. My feeling about her is that she is.

[notadmblnd]

58. I've followed this for a while. I stopped doing research on it when I ran

into a dead end. last thing I was looking at was an organization that was working with boys in Washington DC that Micheal Jackson (yes, that Micheal Jackson) had been involved with. Also, there was some talk about the late Hunter Thompson being involved some way. Talk was that he recorded/photographed some of these events. Thanks for the link to the book, maybe I can find some info there that will help connectmore of the dots.

[magellan]

87. I didn't think anything these bastards do could shock me anymore

I was wrong. Perhaps not the best idea, but I read more than half of that Trance-Formation .pdf in one sitting and am now absolutely horrified and shellshocked. I don't want to believe all the MKULTRA stuff but I fear I do. It does seem to answer one question for me, why the Repukes sell their Christianity so hard: it's a great cover. What faithful American who's bought into their claptrap would ever believe them capable of such sadistic perversions? It also elaborates on the reasoning behind their desire to control female reproduction.

Jeezus H. Christ, I'm physically sick over this and how far-reaching it appears to be.

[Bluebear]

11. 'Let's help Noreen.'

Somehow, I don't think telling her the pictures were a payback for Valerie Plame would help her much.

[Joanne98]

15. From her comments, it sounds like she thinks it's a message.

But your right about the Plame angle.

[lonestarnot]

17. Could be that somebody ran out of money and wants mo.

[seemslikeadream]

19. I don't think Moon has run out of money

might want a few more favors, though.

[lonestarnot]

You think Moon at the bottom of this?

[Joanne98]

23. Like being crowned the "Messiah" in the WH?

Seriously, do you think Moon would have had those pictures all this time? He is really old. Maybe he's making some kind of "end of life" statement.

[seemslikeadream]

32. Full Moon have FUN with the Bushs

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/full-moon.html

The Life and Moonie Times of George HW Bush
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/life-and-moonie-times-of-george-hw.html

Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/12/brother-loves-travelling-salvation_05.html

Carrying Moon's water?
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/04/carrying-moons-water.html

Heavenly Deception
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/heavenly-deception.html

[Joanne98]

34. LOL! Speaking of Poppy. Did you ever see that CNN special...

On Poppy and his WWII story. Hosted by Paula Zann (excuse the spelling). At the end, Poppy goes to meet one of the Japanese vets and when he arrives on the island, the welcoming committee has a young girl in hula costume greet him. He grabs the girl, hugs her, then slaps her on the butt and says, "Nice girl". It would be nice to get those shots and look at them real close. The look on his face is lecherous.

[shanti]

59. poppy

knows about all the "conspiracy" theories, and is probably behind many of them. he's an evil bastard, just like cheney.

[Joanne98]

20. You mean a blackmail message to the perps?

[lonestarnot]

22. Yes, "I know who you are and what you did, and you've given

me money before and now I want more."

[Joanne98]

25. Could be. I never rule money out of anything...

I'd like to think there is still some good guys in this world though. I would like to believe someone wants the case back in the news.

[lonestarnot]

33. Evil always involves money and power in some fashion.

[Joanne98]

35. Very very true.

[lonestarnot]

37. I just hope they get very impatient or break.

I want to see the whole thing exposed and the crowd involved pay. On edit. Hell I would even be accepting of Gannon, if he came out. That Feb. 20th date is either a disturbing coincidence or the reporter knew way too much.

[Joanne98]

39. Really. I hate these people. I bet their still operating too.

[lonestarnot]

43. No doubt operative organization. No doubt.

[Bethany Rockafella]

24. This isn't one individual that did the kidnappings.

I believe this was an organized group that did this. A powerful group.

[Joanne98]

26. Yes. All the evidence points to organized crime...

That's why it make be a message from a victim. Or a blackmailer.

[Name removed]

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[shanti]

60. you're going to get

slammed for posting rense links. there are several du'ers who slam anyone posting "conspiracy" links. just saying...

[earth mom]

66. Agreed. Can you find some other links? Would hate to see all the info

you posted be deleted and go down the drain.

[Joanne98]

71. No rense please.

[Joanne98]

28. The Finders. What ever happened to this investigation?

It was the US News and World Report that would ultimately provide the follow-up to the Finders story, noting that there is a certain Customs Service memorandum that was written at the time of the original investigation, written by Ramon J. Martinez, Special Agent, United States Customs Service, describing two adult white males and six minor children ages 7 years to 2 years. The adult males were Michael Houlihan and Douglas Ammerman, both of Washington, DC who had been arrested the previous day on charges of child abuse.The children were covered with insect bites, were very dirty, most of the children were not wearing underpants and all of the children had not been bathed in many days. The men were somewhat evasive under questioning and stated only that they were the children's teachers and were en route to Mexico to establish a school for brilliant children. The children were unaware of the functions of telephones, television and toilets, and stated that they were not allowed to live indoors and were only given food as a reward.

A Detective Bradley had initiated an investigation on the two addresses provided by the Tallahassee Police Department during December of 1986. An informant had given him information regarding the cult, known as the "Finders," operating various businesses out of a warehouse located at 1307 4th Street, N.E., and were supposed to be housing children at 3918/3920 W St., N.W.

The information was specific in describing "blood rituals" and sexual orgies involving children, and an as yet unsolved murder in which the Finders might be involved.

Cursory examination of documents revealed detailed instructions for optaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community, purchasing children, trading and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal believed to be in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations.

There were pictures of nude children and adult Finders, as well as evidence of high-tech money transfers. There was a file called "Pentagon Break-in," and references to activities in Moscow, Hong Kong, China, Malaysia, North Vietnam, North Korea, Africa, London, Germany, "Europe" and the Bahamas.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml

[bluetrain]

36. That's reminding me of the creepy story about the girl in the blue chair.

Do you remember that whole thing that came up shortly after the '04 election with the guy down in Florida and some "school" which was basically torturing children and doing what seemed to be weird mind control exercises? That shit was nuts.

[Joanne98]

38. No. Do you have a link?

[bluetrain]

40. I found one of the old threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x60025#60161

Search "blue chair" within the page.

[Joanne98]

44. Here it is...

Reverend Doctor Miller Newton has maintained his residence in Maidera Beach, Florida since leaving Straight. He once ran unsuccessfully for mayor. Now calling himself Father Cassian, he is being reported on by an organization that monitors abusive priests.

Newton settles with Lulu Corter for $6.5 million just before case was to go to jury dateline Newark, New Jersey July 8, 2003. This story will break your heart. After Dr. Newton fled Florida for abusing kids at Straight (though he has maintained his Maidera Beach residence all these years, even running unsuccessfully for mayor) he opened up his own second-generation Straight in New Jersey called KIDS of Bergen County. In 1989 after CBS' Meredith Vieira and West 57th Street did a story exposing the abuse at KIDS, and after Newark Judge Edith Klinger published a study recommending suspending KIDS license until certain problems had been fixed, Newton fled to neighboring Hudson County and changed the name to KIDS of North Jersey. In 1993 Secaucus Judge Emil DelBaglivo convicted three KIDS counselors for assaulting a client and recommended that someone look at Newton. In 1996 Newton settled with the federal government for $45,000 in return for not being prosecuted for 254 counts of insurance fraud. In 1999 another KIDS counselor was convicted for assault. Also in 1999 Dr. Newton settled with former client Rebecca Erlich for $4.5 million.

But nothing was ever done. In fact for 10 years Republican Governor Christie Whitman ignored Judge Klinger, Judge DelBaglivo, the newspaper and television reports. For 10 years Len Fisher, Governor Whitman's Commissioner of Health and Human Services, granted Dr. Newton a special certificate to operate.

Throughout all this time there sat a client in KIDS named Lulu Corter. Nobody remembers anymore what she went in for. But it was not drug addiction. Eventually Newton convinced her she had a sexual addiction. He forbade her to touch herself down there. They watched her toileting to make sure she did not touch herself. She was allowed but three wipes afterwards and was painfully restrained if she used four. They use to sing a song to Lulu. As best she can remember it went:

Lulu is here to stay
because she's in a blue chair
for seven years now
and she will rot more and more
till she makes a bigger change.

Lulu Corter went to Dr. Newton for help in 1984. She finally escaped 13 years later; totally destroyed. She had been on First Phase for almost five years. Lulu Corter's trial
more
http://thestraights.com/articles/newton-settles.htm

The Rebecca Erlich Story: the first printed book about theStraights
.
In 1999 Straight's former national clinical director Dr. Miller Newton and his team of psychiatrists settled with a former client named Rebecca Ehrlich for $4.5 million for the abuses she sustained at the Straight-legacy program Kids of North Jersey. Now Rebecca's mother Harryet has teamed with Rebecca's consulting psychiatrist Dr. Lewis Opler to publish Rebecca's medical nightmare. The book is Resurrection and Redemption: Overcoming Mental Illness and Regaining Dignity. The book is a well written account of the tragedy of a misdiagnosed little girl being treated in a quack medical facility.


THE BLUE CHAIR


http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/Wami1.rm
http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/Wami2.rm

http://www.kidsofelpaso.com/pages/626869/index.htm

[Raksha]

86. Thanks for filling in the details, painful as they are.

I only remembered the general outline.

[Raksha]

85. I know who/what you're talking about but the name escapes me.

Was it called "Straight Inc." or something like that? I first read about it here on DU. It was supposed to be some kind of drug rehabilitation clinic, but they were abusing the kids, torturing them, trying to break them down I guess and very often succeeding. Anyway, they definitely had ties to the Bush family. The founder (was his name Sembler?) is a former ambassador to Italy. The so-called "rehab clinic" was busted when it was discovered how they were abusing the kids, but I believe there is a successor organization that still exists.

I know this is all pretty sloppy but I'm doing it strictly from memory based on what I've read. I'm sure there are others here who can fill in the details and provide links.

It's weird but I've thought about that case more than once since the Gosch story resurfaced.

[david_vincent]

42. Thank you! My suspicions exactly, and I also wonder

if the Finders are simply paid to fulfill contracts to obtain children for some very highly placed, wealthy, and powerful people. Remember that huge scandal in Belgium a few years ago? It was so horrific that many Europeans couldn't bear to dig deeper and they were only too glad to have it all go away, even though very high officials and businessmen were implicated. Well, compare the size of Belgium to the size of America, and figure that whatever's happening there is certainly happening here, on a corresponding scale.
It's enough to even make me wonder if there's anything to the allegations of Candy what's-her-name, who claimed to have been a child sex slave for... who was it? Kissinger? Anyone know the book?

[bluetrain]

45. What happened in Belgium?

[david_vincent]

64. There was a gigantic scandal a few years ago. Some guy was

procuring children to be the sex slaves for a ring of very highly-placed power brokers, government officials, and corporate executives from all over Europe. The network of pedophilia was found to be so extensive and so far-reaching that it was basically all covered up.

[bluetrain]

69. How do they cross that line? Presumably, all these high powered people

weren't molested when they were children and, presumably, the majority of them aren't naturally sexually aroused by children -- so what happens? What makes it suddenly okay? What happens in their heads where they're able to do these horrible things? I don't understand.

[Joanne98]

76. Do you ever feel like you're in an "Evasion of the Bodysnatchers" movie

Maybe power perverts them. Being able to do whatever you want to people. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But maybe they're ALIENS! lol Sometimes I look at them when they're on TV, thinking about how evil they are and I think they can't even be human. You have to admit no human being would do the things they do. Maybe they think they're immortal or gods. Who knows. But they're not torturing and raping people for "national security" reasons. That's for fucking sure.

[Straight Shooter]

83. They cross the line because immense wealth can lead to being jaded.

Think of sexual kinks as a drug. Some sexual kinks are like marijuana, relatively harmless. Other sexual kinks are like heroin, highly addictive, dangerous. At the top of the list would be sexual kinks along the lines of meth. Powerful people who engage in "meth" type sexual kinks end up in real trouble, because the lines become so blurred that they are more likely to make stupid mistakes.

It's all about feeling powerful against the weak who cannot defend themselves, and in fact the victims would be laughed at in open society if they ever point an accusing finger at those who violated them. The victims have no recourse.

It is my honest opinion, without any malice involved, that george h.w. bush "likes" young boys. Just a feeling I have, no evidence to back it up. But it's a pervasive feeling I cannot shake. Something is deeply disturbing about the elder bush.

[WinkyDink]

79. At least two young teen girls were found starved to death in an

underground chamber. They were abandoned when the legal noose got too tight.

[Joanne98]

81. Oh yeah now I remember. Did they ever arrest anybody?

[Joanne98]

46. That's what it's sounds like. A new evil take on contractors.

Which reminds me of the "mercenaries" who were playing poker games using children as bets. I think it was a UN scandal. Some woman blew the whistle THEN GOT FIRED. The bastards are everywhere. I can't remember the name of the company. It wasn't Blackwater maybe Titan.

[david_vincent]

65. This stuff reminds me that

Freud retracted his "seduction theory" because he couldn't believe that so many people could have been abused as children. Almost immediately he began having serious doubts that the theory should've been abandoned. The seduction theory accounts for certain psychological problems in adults by tracing them back to sexual trauma resulting from abuse in childhood. Freud found these problems to be so widespread that he decided (at first) that there must be some other cause. For the rest of his life, he suspected that he'd made a mistake and that the abuse of children might actually be commonplace.

[Joanne98]

49. Have you ever heard of a group called "The Process" ?

They are in this book...
Linda Blood and The New Satanists
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0446364738

That serial killer in NY, David Berowitz?. Became a Christian in jail and told this story about them. Hard to tell if he was telling the truth since he said they did the murders. Interesting though, because he accuses Guilianni of helping to cover up the murders. Something to bookmark in case Rudy runs for Pres.

I just remembered. It was the "Son of Sam" case in NY. He now says the murders were done by a secretive group called the process. It's a really interesting story.

[david_vincent]

63. Yeah, the Process was a cult based in California in the 70s, I think

they became very trendy for awhile and ensnared some Hollywood types, reportedly including Sammy Davis Jr. for a time. Apparently it was mistaken by the public for some kind of EST-therapy sort of thing, but it was actually a thinly veiled Satanism.

[Joanne98]

67. Son of Sam now saz they committed the murders he was charged with

But he could just be trying to get released.

[Joanne98]

54. Strange "breeder" letter that was sent to a modeling agency

PRETTY PEOPLE STALKING

28 March 1998

XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXX Modeling Agency
XXXXXXXXXX Street
New York, New York XXXXX

Dear XXXXXXXX:

This is not a letter soliciting modeling work from your agency, quite on the contrary, it is a letter written to share information with you, and to request your interest and involvement in opening up an unpleasant but important human rights endeavor. The endeavor is to educate the public about stalking crimes committed against ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE, crimes that can occur to those in the MODELING and acting professions.

STALKING CRIMES I have been a victim of these violent crimes since I lived in SoHo from 1981-1990. I have experienced stalking and other crimes by syndicate "cells" in the area. According to victims I have spoken to throughout the United States, many attractive women and possibly some men may be experiencing these victimizations. "Pretty" victims may be subjected to burglaries, residence break-ins, druggings and assaults at night, non-consensual implantations of tracking devices, food tampering, chemicals sprayed on personal items which can destroy their clothing and belongings. The perpetrators may feel jealousy and envy towards the victim's accomplishments, and this can include coworkers or even family who wish to discredit the victim or a jilted lover who seeks some I, form of sadistic retribution. At other times, these assaults may be being staged by government intelligence agencies (FBI, CIA) who may seek to recruit victims through blackmail and intimidation for illicit activities or the agencies may use these tactics to halt victims' whistle blower activities through disabling them. But, female victims of stalking also report that they believe that they are being assaulted because they are descended from bloodlines coveted by particular cults or groups. They are called "dolls" by the syndicates...this is a reference to a type of cloned individual who may possess particularly coveted DNA.

WOMEN AS BREEDERS Victims and therapists suggest that "pretty" people may be being used for genetic engineering experimentations or as "breeders" for a New World Order by either government, medical or eugenics' groups. There may be quite a price on the reproductive elements of some breeder victims by government intelligence agencies and syndicate crime cells. Victims report rapes and sexual mutilations, castrations and the loss of part of all of their ovaries or testicles. Psychiatrists and therapists admit that sexual organs can be "harvested" in clinics for lucrative pay (1) from bloodline people. The known market in fertility clinics for just four ovum from a "pretty" woman can fetch upwards of $5,000 from sterile couples. (2) There may also be particular religious cults seeking to perpetuate particular bloodlines, and those "pretty" people with these bloodlines may find themselves being used as breeders, with late night assaults by perpetrators. Typically, the reproductive clinics claim that the ova they use they obtain from indigent white girls in southern Appalachia or from the "south." This is probably an outright lie. Ova are only viable for 24 hours, for insemination, if they are kept at body temperature, according to reproductive doctors. It would be difficult to get the ova to the clinics around the U.S. if they were all using poor southern girls. Clinics exist from N.C. to California and Maine. And they run a very lucrative business of using outside ova for pregnancies. It is this writer's belief that women are being raped throughout the so-called free world for their ova and this is not a legal activity. Once targeted as a breeder, the woman can find their lives shattered and the victimizations can be very violent.

How do they clandestinely extract the ova from women? Well, there appears to be two methods possibly in use. First, some hours in advance of harvesting a "snatch" of ova, cult or syndicates slip an ovulation drug into the woman's food, probably at a dinner or restaurant. Then sometime later, they use copies of the woman's keys to gain access to her and the apartment (or conveniently they woo the woman and are in bed with her). Then the perpetrator uses chloroform in a cloth to anesthetize and knock out the woman and then they pick the easily recognizable ova (clear gell-like eggs about the size of a head of a pin) out of her underwear after they fall out of her vagina. The second means of obtaining the ova is to knock the woman out in bed and then extract ova from her ovaries using long needles . Special cult drugs are used later to ripen the ova artificially for insemination or other experimental uses, such as with cloning. In any case, the ova do need to be ripened before they are used. The female body normally does this during a woman's menstrual cycle with the hormones estrogen and progesterone. The crime syndicates methods have apparently been in use for decades with unsuspecting attractive women. These trained thugs need only to obtain copies of the targeted woman's keys to her apartment. This is accomplished through payoffs to coworkers at her job or through others with access to her such as hungry boyfriends or jealous, angry colleagues.

Victims can wind up loosing their good looks because of chemical assaults and poisonings. They may lose their jobs, residences, belongings, they may be subjected to non-consensual syndicate druggings which discredit them and which can result in serious, permanent illnesses. (3) New syndicate high tech weapons (government developed) are often used to pursue and torture victims, and these are virtually impossible to detect or prove because the weapons usually don't leave marks although they can be lethal (4). These crimes are crimes of silent torture, and while victims may remain alive, they are viciously and violently terrorized.

Some victims describe European perpetrators who are difficult if not impossible to prosecute because of their citizenship. An influx of new immigrants, since the early 1990s, probably illegally in the country, seems to have bolstered and increased the level of cult stalking problems. Outsider perpetrators from nearby countries may be picking up cult contracts to use breeders. The outsiders are far harder to trace and prosecute, and they often escape crime free. These are the quintessential trained "professional" criminals -- they use victim's apartment keys or they have befriended the victim so as to have access to their daily lives. Victims are helpless, unable to defend themselves, they don't have access to the high tech weapons the perpetrators have, or to the means of bringing the stories out for safety. Law enforcement is usually bought off from the inside, a part of the functioning of the system, they rarely will prosecute and they claim the crimes are terribly difficult for anyone to prove, very professional crime operations. Doctors fear retaliation from syndicates if they disclose victim's odd lab results. Interestingly, most victims now days appear to be women (5) and very few homosexual men are in the current profiles or surveys (6). I am pursuing litigation in an attempt to bring out stalking crimes against me with evidence that I was able to acquire. (7) This sort of violence began upon me and caught me by surprise in 1994, when I was at the pinnacle of my career. I knew New York actresses in the early 1990s who were also being harmed by outside perpetrators and working lucrative acting jobs at the time, some wound up with their careers totally shattered. (8)

Legislation has been submitted by Senator Glenn to the Senate which supports the opening up of government files about those used in government non-consensual experimentations, such as those possibly used in government genetic engineering research and in mind control experimentations. (9) His innovative work may shed light on the weaponry and violence used in these stalking crimes and the involvement of government agencies. I have research to share with other victims and suggestions about survival if they are being stalked. I am encouraging people to contact me for documentation as well as for solutions.

Listed in end notes here is information about my litigation and stalking crimes, and research links to other mind control victims. Estimates run as high as there being 500 of these victims or more in every urban area, victims are wise to keep their street addresses private. I am writing to modeling agencies to encourage you to assist me with publicizing these sorts of crimes, and to ask you to DISTRIBUTE this letter to models within your agency as a way to educate them about these dangers so that they may be better informed about the evils they may fall prey to.

Sincerely,
Judith ABRXXXXXXXX

I know this sounds off the subject but it goes with that Idaho Baby X story about "The Breeders". this story was actually brought up during the Lacy Peterson trial.

[radwriter0555]

61. uh they extract the ova when it falls out of her vagina ?

Might want to consider when that the author of this letter is mentally unstable...

[Joanne98]

74. I ran into this looking for something else. I don't think it's credible

It is strange though. Maybe she's a fiction writer.

[david_vincent]

62. This is paranoid schizophrenia

[radwriter0555]

73. In the very least... absolutely.

No doubt this person is diagnosed with many, many problems.

[Joanne98]

75. I was thinking she's a fiction writer. Which reminds me. Does anyone

remember a novel that came out in the 80's about a murder in LA that led to a sex slave ring that serviced Japenese CEOs. Sometimes I think people who are afraid the whistleblow get their messages out in fiction novels.

[Marr]

57. It could also simply be that

whatever sick bastard kidnapped the boy (and possibly killed him) back in '82 was loving the new round of publicity last year, and wants to kick start it again.

Just putting that out there. This is an extremely weird situation.

[Joanne98]

77. That's possible but when you have a government as evil as ours.

If impossible to ignore the blackmail theory. There is tons of de-classied docs about "evil doings" by our so called 'National Security' agencies. If we were a normal country a lone crazie would make sense but we're just not that normal.

[Joanne98]

82. A Bush official got caught Sunday with child porn.. (Kos)

Another BUSHCO child molester caught just Sunday at customs..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/1/235930/4647

Bush Admin Linked To Child Sex Scandal (UPDATE on "Crony" Controversy)
by Mike Stark
Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:59:30 PM PDT
Via Rigorous Intuition comes this from Jack Date over at the blotter.


An Ivy League business school professor is in federal custody for allegedly having videos of himself engaging in sexual acts with children, ABC News has learned.

Lawrence Scott Ward, 63, Professor Emeritus of Marketing at University of Pennsylvania's renowned Wharton School of Business, was caught with child pornography in his luggage and on his laptop computer after arriving at Dulles International Airport on a flight from Brazil, according to court documents.

...

Federal agents recovered at least three DVDs, in which Ward appears to be "engaging in sexual contact" with children, the affidavit reads. A video of children as young as eight engaged in sexual activity was also allegedly found on Ward's laptop computer.

...

Ward's resume lists several government consulting assignments including work with the Executive Office of the President, the FCC, Department of Commerce and the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse Prevention.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/1/235930/4647

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15384739.htm

[dooner]

84. More details on photos

this story (excerpted below) is from the Des Moines Register, 9/1. I apologize if others already saw this, I didn't and it explains more details about the photos.
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... The photos that surfaced this week were first sent to the Register by James Rothstein, a retired New York police detective who offered investigative assistance to Noreen Gosch. Rothstein said he was sent the photos by Noreen Gosch; a child-sex ring conspiracy theorist he knows; and Michael Corbin, a Colorado radio talk-show host who has done several programs on the Gosch case. Rothstein has acted as a criminal justice specialist for Corbin's show, "A Closer Look."

Corbin said Thursday that he has been in contact over the past two years with a man who claims to have been kidnapped as a child and to have broken away from a child-sex ring with Gosch. He said the man identifies himself as Jimmy Gibson and has told him he wants to speak publicly about their kidnappings after hiding out for years from abductors.

"I've kind of teetered toward believing the veracity of what he's said," Corbin told the Register. "But with these photos, I am really confused.... If they are on the run, I'm curious as to how they got access to those photos, because (the photos) would have been in the possession of their perpetrators."

An official from the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children said the center had no record of an abduction of a Jimmy Gibson, although the boy may have been listed under a similar name.

In one of the photos sent to Noreen Gosch, someone has circled an apparent mark on the youth's arm and labeled it "the brand." Rothstein and
or did I just miss all this explanation about the photos, and theories of who is involved.
From the Des Moines Register, 9/1/2006

Corbin said the symbol circled could be the brand of the sex ring into which Gosch purportedly was abducted.

Noreen Gosch and others have said they believe that Johnny's disappearance was linked to a sex-ring case involving Paul A. Bonacci, a witness in the Franklin Credit Union embezzlement scandal in Omaha. In 1989, Bonacci told his attorney, John DeCamp, that he personally participated in Gosch's abduction. Bonacci also implicated other seemingly unconnected public figures in his allegations, and was subsequently sent to prison for perjury. Since then, however, he has received a $1 million judgment for abuse he suffered as a youth under the ringleader of the Franklin Credit scandal.

DeCamp, whose office is in Lincoln, Neb., was on the list of people who were e-mailed the purported Gosch photos, according to Corbin.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060901/NEWS10/609010385


edited by dooner to correct html problem and typo

[tanyev]

88. J.G. again. Interesting....

[Catherine Vincent]

90. I hadn't read that.

Thanks!

[snot]

89. Has anyone contacted "Jeff Gannon"'s "mother"?

I.e., not Noreen, but whoever "Jeff"'s mom is supposed to be. Jeff has a website now in which he's purporting to be a serious "new media" journalist (he actually makes fun of Katie Couric for aspiring to be taken seriously), and he mentions a dog named Churchill who he says he had to leave with his mom when he went to Washington: http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/tributes/index.html

Also, I don't suppose there's any connection with "Gosch Productions" -- "Our specialty is video"?