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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:47 PM
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Why won't the Dems Impeach Rumsfailed?
Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

“Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prison’s rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross,” the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:50 PM
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1. He can't be impeached.
And the Democrats do not have a majority, thus, they do NOT have subpoena power. The GOP controls the agenda in Congress.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:00 PM
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5. That brings up a variant of the question
Why doesn't the House of Representatives impeach Rumsfeld? It is their duty.

I know the answer, and you've given it. However, that is unsatisfactory.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:30 PM
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9. It will remain unsatisfactory to you until we take back the House. NT
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:04 PM
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11. It may also remain unsatisfactory after that
My point is not about which party is in control, but about a cabinet officer who has clearly violated the Geneva Conventions.

Impeachment under these circomstances should not be a partisan issue.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:20 PM
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13. Well, it shouldn't be, but it is. We have to live in the world as we find
it. And the GOP aren't quite sufficiently disgusted yet.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:03 PM
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8. Amen, MADem.
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 10:04 PM by countmyvote4real
I second your post since you were first. But I will restate that the minority party can't do squat until they have control of the process. Only the majority party in power has that control.

We no longer live in times when there were statesmen that could put the preservation of their country before that of their party.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:50 PM
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2. i dont think they
can get enough votes to impeach.

also i dont think you could impeach on shitty policies. he would have had to committed "high crimes and misdomeaners"
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:50 PM
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3. How often do either parties prosecute for war crimes?
This transcends parties. This is about America "always being right and just"; we can't acknowledge our crimes against foreigners.

There are a small pack of progressive congresspersons who would be up to it. They believe in justice (and we lost one -- McKinney). But there just aren't enough of them to make a serious effort.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:51 PM
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4. You are not really asking are you ? nt
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:01 PM
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6. Yeah, I am really asking.
I feel that the time is right for Rumsfailed to be Impeached. I don't see why this cannot be brought forth. Whether the Rethugs will vote to Impeach is not as relevant as the House bringing forth the Articles of Impeachment. This can be done.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:03 PM
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10. See Sam's answer below. eom
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:02 PM
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7. Democrats cant hold a meeting without the Reich Wing turning out the lights
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:14 PM
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12. Question: Can congress really impeach cabinet officials?
I don't remember it ever coming up before. Usually such an official is gone when they come into really bad odor. I'm thinking for example of James Watt and Alexander Haig being sent packing after repeated F-ups during the Reagan years.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:44 PM
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14. Yes.
There is ample evidence of Rumsfailed violating the US Constiturion.

Further Evidence Rumsfeld Implicated in War Crimes
Please read this important post by Marty Lederman, Army Confirms: Rumsfeld Authorized Criminal Conduct.
Here's a key section, but there's more:
The Army's charges against Jordan reflect the view, undoubtedly correct, that the use of forced nudity or intimidation with dogs against detainees subject to military control constitutes cruelty and maltreatment that Article 93 makes criminal. It doesn't matter whether they are or are not "torture," as such; nor does it matter whether the armed forces should be permitted to use such interrogation techniques: As things currently stand, they are unlawful, as even the Army now acknowledges.

But then how can we account for the actions of the Secretary of Defense and his close aides?

On November 27, 2002, Pentagon General Counsel William Haynes, following discussions with Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, General Myers, and Doug Feith, informed the Secretary of Defense that forced nudity and the use of the fear of dogs to induce stress were lawful techniques, and he recommended that they be approved for use at Guantanamo. (The lists of techniques to which Haynes was referring can be found in this memorandum.) On December 2, 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld approved those techniques for use at Guantanamo -- and subsequently those techniques were used on detainee Mohammed al-Qahtani.

In other words, the Secretary of Defense authorized criminal conduct.

...

Today's Army charge under UCMJ Article 93 against Lt. Col. Jordan -- for conduct that the SecDef actually authorized as to some detainees -- demonstrates that Rumsfeld approved of, and encouraged, violations of the criminal law.
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