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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:37 PM
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The Rethuglicans want to play Nazi-ball? Hit them with these FACTS.
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 09:50 PM by StrictlyRockers
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power - The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed
Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm

THE BUSH NAZI CONNECTION (very comprehensive)
http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
Chapter Two - The Hitler Project
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951 - Federal Documents - The New Hampshire Gazette
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

Heir to the Holocaust
Prescott Bush, $1.5 million, and Auschwitz: how the Bush family wealth is linked to the holocaust
http://clamormagazine.org/issues/14/feature3.php

Bush Nazi Connection
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/bc01.html

Prescott Bush - War seizures controversy - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Demopedia for BFEE
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/BFEE

Demopedia for Union Banking Corp.
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Union_Banking_Corporation

Demopedia for Prescott Bush:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Prescott_Bush

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In October 1942 Prescott Bush is accused of running a Nazi front group. Prescott Bush's business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman)
Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (with Walker)

Amazingly, this does not garner any publicity, the New York Times business section merely stating that the Union Banking Corporation had "moved its offices".
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SR
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:40 PM
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1. Good work ,and welcome to du.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:46 PM
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3. thanks dude!
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:44 PM
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2. Viva Zapata !! yer good !
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:04 PM
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4. Thanks, I'm working on updating it now.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:01 AM
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11. Zapata Oil ? Zapata swamps/Bay of Pigs ? nt
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:10 PM
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5. You could have pictures of Bush shaking hands with Hitler...
For Gods sakes, look at the Rumsfeld/Saddam picture.

That didn't do crap.

I just hate watching time get wasted.

And I see it happening again and again here....
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:16 PM
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6. Defeatist posts are DEFINITELY a waste of my time.
We need to fight back!

This is one way to do it.

Working on a LTTE now. Or is that a waste of my time, as well?
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:19 PM
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7. Yup.
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 11:21 PM by Singular73
Most people here don't ever understand that political outrage matters nothing without the power to launch an investigation.

The only "Scandal" I've only ever mildly been excited about was Plamegate.

We should spend our time discussing how to get democracts elected, not spending time with this feel-good Repuglicans are Evil pointlessness.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:20 AM
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12. I respectfully disagree.
However, I also agree with you on your main point. Taking direct political action and working on local campaigns to get Dems elected is more important. But I feel that it is also important to answer this adminstration's characterization of all oppoenents as being "morally and intellectually confused Nazi appeasers". (I am paraphrasing)

This demands a strong reponse on our part. These are FACTS that the media refuse to cover, and that portray the Republican pResident in a very negative light. I believe that it is helpful to the cause to work to disseminate this information to a wider public. I intend to do my part to broadcast this ignored story wide and LOUD.

SR
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:32 PM
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8. This is all that needs to be shown who the fascist (BushCo) really are...
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 11:36 PM by LaPera
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:39 PM
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9. Republicans have never done a single good thing for the USA.
Republicans are the enemy of everything good about America -- including real patriotism. No Republican Congress/President has EVER produced a useful, helpful piece of legislation. Instead, conservative Republicans ave given us:

The Great Depression
America First Isolationism
McCarthy Red Scares
Union Busting
Opposition to Social Security, Medicare, GI loans, the GI bill, student loans, etc., etc., etc.
Vietnam
Grenada
Iraq
Nicauragua
El Salvador
Honduras (all these being secret support of murderous, right-wing fascist governements)
Watergate
Monicagate
Prohibition
The 'WAR" on Drugs
The "WAR" on terror
Terri Schiavo
Global Warming
Global Warmongering
Global Wargaming
(they're shooting for Global War)

I could go on for days, but it is easier to simply say the following: Everything GOOD for America and Americans that has come out of Congress since 1900 has been the result of action by liberals.

Meanwhile, everyting BAD that as come out of Congress in that same period has been the result of actions by conservatives.

If anybody can think of an exception to that, let me know.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:00 AM
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10. If not for USMC Gen Smedley D. Butler, we'd have been under BFEE
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 12:05 AM by EVDebs
years earlier. We owe Butler a huge debt of gratitude.

The Plot To Seize The White House by Jules Archer
http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm

BTW, someone needs to get this book back into circulation. The net seems perfect...also, Hollywood needs to do a documentary or movie re Butler. The story of the Bonus Army March on Washington and this subsequent plot is just too good to pass up. Unless fear of BFEE prevents a good story from getting out.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:44 AM
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14. I am reading this book now. It is fascinating and revelatory.
I am a History major. I consider myself very well-informed. DU is a WEALTH of information!
Thank you for this link.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:50 AM
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19. Just keep in mind "history" is (almost) always written by the winners
and isn't necessarily the truth.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:32 AM
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13. Excellent.
Welcome.:hi:
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:47 AM
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15. A good summary of the facts by David E Romm
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 06:53 AM by StrictlyRockers
(edited to repair a link)

Were Bush's great-grandfather and grandfather Nazis?
By David E Romm
with apologies to Cecil Adams

While there are no recorded incidents of them goose stepping or giving the "Heil Hitler" salute, the short answer to the question is yes. Both Bush's grandfather's palled around with sympathizers to the Nazi cause, with George Herbert Walker the worse of the two and grandfather Prescott Bush even worse as he dealt with Nazi Germany before and during WWII.

The Bushes don't like to talk about their past, and much of the early information comes from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. While the book's origins are suspect and the authors tend to go off on wild LaRouchian rants, the basic research has held up to scrutiny since business dealings and government actions are a matter of public record. Note: I don't have Cecil Adam's resources, staff or salary, and all sources are from the web.

In 1919, Missouri deal-maker Bert Walker became the president and CEO of the W.A. Harriman and co. bank, which became one of the largest companies in the world. In 1922, the Harriman company set up a branch in Berlin under the residency of George H. Walker. In 1924, the Harriman company spun off the Union Banking Corporation, also run by Bert. The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler." An article called Nazis In The Attic states boldly, "Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States." and gives other details.

Samuel Prescott Bush, father to Prescott, was an Ohio manufacturer and close advisor to President Herbert Hoover. During WWI, was director of the facilities division of the US War Industries Board under Bernard Baruch. In 1920, Harriman and Bert Walker gain control of the German Hamburg-Amerika Line, said to be the world's largest private shipping line which had been confiscated by the US after the war. Still, while many of his business deals are with shady people who were more involved with the Nazis, Samuel himself wasn't a major player.

Prescott Bush was a major player. In addition to having ties with most of his father-in-laws friends (notably the Harrimans) and companies (notably the Union Banking Corporation), Bert hired Prescott to supervise the new Thyssen/Flish http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp">Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company. John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor whose latest series of lectures is on The Truth About Terrorism, has published a number of books about the Nazis and WWII. The page on Loftus' site linked above is from a Clamor magazine article by Toby Rogers entitled Heir to the Holocaust and also says, "Prescott Bush became managing director of UBC and handled the day-to-day operations of the new German economic plan. Bush's shares in UBC peaked with Hitler's new German order. But while production rose, cronyism did as well." and "According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor." Rogers says this information came from "A Dutch intelligence agent in 1941," before we were at war with Germany. While the companies were seized by the Germans during the war, claims Cecil, Rogers points out that Prescott was eventually paid $1.5 million for his interest in UBC after Thyssen died and the companies assets were unfrozen.

Dealing with Nazi Germany, and even financing Hitler, may have been ethically and morally repugnant, even at the time, but they weren't illegal until Hitler declared war on the US. Six days after Pearl Harbor, FDR signed the Trading With the Enemies Act. By then, most (though not all) of the companies that had been doing business with Hitler's war machine had stopped. But not Prescott Bush and the Union Banking Corporation. Writes Rogers, "Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany." Citing the Tarpley book, this site goes on to say that on October 20, 1942, UBC assets in New York were seized under the act, and "On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the bank (in which Bush was a partner): the Holland-America Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation...U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on November 8, 1942; Nazi interests in the Silesian-American corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act, on Nov. 17, 1942."

Bush family apologists like to point out that Prescott only had one share of UBC, though how that came to be worth a million and a half is never explained. Prescott was one of seven directors, says a Boston Globe article (payment required to see whole archive), quoting a 1942 New York Herald Tribune article, "Hitler's Angel has 3 Million in the Bank". While "Hitler's Angel" refers to Thyssen, Prescott was worried about the association. No need to worry; he was appointed senator in 1950. Apologists also claim that Prescott was an unpaid director, out of courtesy to a client. That's not completely creditable for two reasons: First, it's hard to believe he would do anything for free. Second, being a director has certain responsibilities, legal and ethical, and one can't duck from them quite so easily, especially when your assets are being frozen during a war. It certainly doesn't relieve him of culpability.

What all this says about future generations of Bushes is problematic. George Herbert Walker Bush, called "Poppy" in the family, fought in World War II, but was sent to Pacific theater, presumably so he wouldn't shoot friends. George W. was born in his senator grandfather's state of Connecticut, but moved to Texas fairly early, though he hung out and was arrested for drunken driving in the family estate in Kennebunkport Maine. He doesn't talk much in public about his progenitors. Still, in today's climate of "you're either with us or against us," there's no question that George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were against us.
http://www.romm.org/prescott.html
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:50 AM
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16. when you tell this to bush lovers they go all blank and stupid
and speechless, or they make justifications like, the sins of the fathers shall not be visited on the sons or some such shit.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:13 PM
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17. Tell this to the swift-boaters who used 35-year old information to damage
...John Kerry's presidential prospects. It is relevant for us to know the origins of the money that * used to get himself elected. I think it is also useful to look at the historic ties between the Bush family and covert/black ops, media manipulation, support for fascist states and to also look at the close ties between the BCF and some seriously bad people who have done many bad things. Studying the historical record is empowering for us. Why wasn't someone (Prescott) convicted of TREASON and TRADING WITH THE ENEMY thrown in jail, or at least permanently deported? HOW is it possible that this convicted traitor was later elected to a US Senate seat? It boggles the mind.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 07:24 PM
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18. K&R
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