Case of missing paper boy revived--after 24 years [Gosch]

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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003086319

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DES MOINES Noreen Gosch never imagined that a simple envelope could be so painful.

It was left at her front door Sunday with no name or address -- but inside were two photographs that brought back memories of her son's disappearance 24 years ago during a paper route in West Des Moines.

One picture shows 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged, his hands and feet bound, and he was wearing the same sweatpants he wore when he disappeared Sept. 5, 1982. The other photograph shows Johnny with two other unidentified boys, also bound and gagged.

"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'
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[Ezlivin]

1. I don't believe in the death penalty, but...

Man, this is some sick sh**.

People like these twisted sickos really make me wonder about humanity.

[cobalt1999]

13. I do beilieve in the death penalty, but it's too good for that SOB.

[Julius Civitatus]

91. I agree. This is horrifying.

The sick fuck who did something this horrible needs to fry.

Words fail me.

:cry:

[gully]

96. I don't either. But, just because I wouldn't want our "society" to

endorse the DP, doesn't mean I'd lose an ounce of sleep if someone somewhere did "the job."

[QuettaKid]

2. uh-oh. . . .this cannot be good.

Did they have a D.C. return address?

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. My thoughts exactly

[nashville_brook]

49. it's not like the said, "if you ever want to see your boy alive again..."

this isn't a threat. i think it's an admission.

[faithnotgreed]

3. i had not heard of this until jeff gannon entered the picture

a year or two ago

an horrific situation
i hope whatever it is thats going on will break the story open

[MADem]

9. Neither did I, but I was living in Asia at the time, so if it wasn't in

the International Herald Tribune, it escaped my attention.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. It was the Lacey Peterson story of 1982

I still remember it well. He didn't stay gone from lack of publicity.

[MADem]

28. You can see the ghastly picture at this website==very disturbing

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/9778102/detail.html#

What sick fucks could do this kind of shit to kids? Or anyone, for that matter?

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. How can the other boys be unidentified?

Didn't their families list them as missing? What family does not report a missing child?

[MissWaverly]

60. foster children sometimes disappear in the system

I thought I read where Florida has a huge number of missing foster children, they just
disappeared from the books.

Number of missing Florida foster children rising
Tallahassee, Florida - A report says the number of foster children who are missing in Florida has gone up six fold in the last few years. State child welfare officials confirm that 652 children are missing from the foster care system. Most of them are runaways, although some are believed to have been taken from their foster homes by their biological parents.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=32865

[Lars39]

64. Article:

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/14752222.htm

[MissWaverly]

66. thanks, for the post

that's over 500 kids missing, and how do they know they are runaways, there is nothing to support the fact and it makes it seem like they have done something wrong. When they are just kids and need the protection of our society.

[Lars39]

74. It's so screwed up...and so danged many missing.

:(

[WhiteTara]

165. you know how those two year old like to rebel

show those foster parents who's boss. They just tie up their possesions in a scarf, stick a stick through the bundle, and viola! they are off on their new adventure.

Jeb presides over the BFEE interests in Florida and probably has a network for those pesky little things that no one wants. Pedophiles like little children of all ages.

This reminds me of the Dirty War where children were stolen and sold while their parents were killed in the stadiums.

[MissWaverly]

168. they always reframe the debate so the innocent are guilty

Like the thousands who were left in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, nobody admits that
it would be impossible to evacuate that many people with 1 family per car, they should have had
the Navy there with aircraft carriers for evacuation.

[Joanne98]

178. Are you talking about Chile? Wasn't that a CIA op.

[The Backlash Cometh]

75. Daaaaam.

Would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between missing children in foster homes and Republican controlled states.

[Lars39]

82. Wouldn't it though!

[MissWaverly]

83. I tried running searches but it's really difficult

But I did not know that this was such an enormous problem
In Canada in 2004 there were 67,266 missing children reports and in 2005, in Canada, there
were 66,254 missing children reports; that is according to CPIC Canadian Law Enforcement
Missing Children Reports. In just 2 years, that is over 100,000 kids missing in Canada
alone.

[laundry_queen]

129. I'm not 100% sure

But I think a certain number of the missing children's reports are solved - remember these are reports only. I don't think all those kids are still missing.
I could be wrong though. I sure hope not though.

[MissWaverly]

158. You are probably right but it is still a very high number

[TheWraith]

201. Most child abductions are actually committed by parents & relatives

As part and parcel of custody disputes and the like. If you look at the little fliers they distribute some times, more often than not the person who the child was last seen with is one of their parents. Abductions by strangers are a much smaller subset of all missing children.

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. From what I know about good ole boy backroom deals, it wouldn't

be a stretch to believe that they're into white market trading of children.

[nashville_brook]

73. yeah, me either -- shades of Blue Velvet

[MissWaverly]

77. when I saw the boys on the bed, I thought of slavery

this is slavery, you never thought of multiple kids being taken.

[The Backlash Cometh]

78. And what's really weird...

They're all the same size and appear to be the same age like someone placed an order, or someone has a sure way of attracting boys of a certain age.

[MissWaverly]

81. Yes, I thought the only similar was height and weight

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[MissWaverly]

93. that's sad, if the after effect of Bushco is that this crap stops

then that will be one good thing that has come from all this evil.

[The Backlash Cometh]

126. What should scare you more, is that our agencies may already know

about this. This would be great blackmail stuff.

[MissWaverly]

157. No, I have a feeling that blackmail is what the game is

how else could we have had the last six years, with a lockstep congress and no one speaking
out at all.

[gorbal]

120. People talk about this like it is some conspiracy theory

It is just something that happens. Many of the clients of child prostitutes all over the world are american businessmen, we know that for a fact, but we don't want to believe they do anything of the sort in the united states, oh no not here.

I think the controversy might be in the rich and powerful that might be involved, but when I look at what atrocities I KNOW the rich and powerful are involved in, I wouldn't put anything past them.

Anything is possible when insane fascists have all the money and power. They can try to make their extravagances seem like the far-fetched imaginings of a paranoid public as long as they want, but soon enough the truth will emerge.

[nashville_brook]

124. conspiracy realism -- of course this stuff happens.

whats inteesting to political realists is how the child sex slavery is used for political gain.

[gorbal]

204. After further reading...some theories are a bit "out there" I admit

But some of what has been proven true in a court of law is "out there". There is nothing left to disbelieve in this world of high tech data collecting.

This is why sites like Rense can be so damaging, because they take very real stories and mix it up with obvious falsehoods. I wouldn't doubt it if Rense was run by the NSA to distort real theories into conspiracies to collapse any public discourse that may run up against their perverse "interests".

[MissWaverly]

161. I believe the truth will come out

I have a feeling that many of these people involved are now in their sixties, nobody has power
forever and there must be many out there who know about this and want revenge.

[MissWaverly]

172. far fetched imagining of a paranoid public

what has happened on TV lately, it is strictly a gore fest complete with assorted body parts,
they have the I'm a nice guy but I kill people for my country shows, I'm a nice guy but I
travel and kill people to live in suburbia shows, I'm a nice guy but I kill witches and demon
shows, and then there's I'm a nice guy but I work with dead bodies for a living shows.
Can't we get past this to normal, I grew up with television and I never remember it as bad
as it is now, and they still sold cars, beer and shampoo.

[Joanne98]

179. Because they take all the money. Lot's of children are poor.....

which makes this all possible. Another angle on why they're so greedy. Sometimes money, is not about money. They say, "The poor will always be with us". I bet the child molestors are happy about that.

[MissWaverly]

88. remember that weird book that what is name wrote

Scooter Libby, what was it called, the apprentice or something like that?

[MADem]

107. The girl, the bear, the cage, the stick....he's a real sicko, that Scooter

Who thinks shit like that up?

[MissWaverly]

112. Good question

and then why would this be in a book by a guy who sat in Bush cabinet, it was weird totally
weird.

[Octafish]

153. Sick, super-wealthy, super-powerful turds.

[MissWaverly]

159. You can't mind control people forever

If any of these children survived; they are adults and will be agents for change, they are
now realizing that their childhood was stolen from them by evil adults. They know by now
that these people should have been in prison for their dirty work. Remember Elizabeth Smart
and how she was forced to leave her happy home and live the life of a derelict while being
abused. They will resent the happy life that they were denied. I hope for any who survived into adulthood that they will find a normal life and the strength they need to take hold of it.

[hootinholler]

80. Me too, Andy Stephenson was quite interested in this case n/t

[Dinger]

208. What Is The Connection To Jeff Ganon?

I've read some of the posts on this topic, but I'm not sure I read how they are connected, just that there was a connection of some sort.

[question everything]

210. Some fertile minds thought there were similarity in their features

but Gannon's real parents and his background did not match that of Gosch.

[EFerrari]

4. Poor Noreen. This is horrible. n/t

[gaspee]

5. The only

Thing I can hope is that this poor mother gets some closure. I can't understand what drives people to d othe things they do and I don't think I want to. I hope it's guilt driving the delivery of these pictures and NOT sadism.

Aren't there rumors out there that this case is tied to the alleged underage male prostitute ring somehow associated by Bush the elder?

I'm not a big follower of conspiracy theories, but this one struck me as completely bizarre and made an impression on my brain storage space, I guess.

[EFerrari]

7. Noreen is one strong lady. She is careful in her public statements.

And that's really impressive when you consider how traumatizing or retraumatizing this must be for her.

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[bananas]

17. some basic info and links at wikipedia

There's embedded links for more of this unbelievable story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

Noreen Gosch left her porch light on for her son for 11 years.

In February, 1999, Noreen Gosch testified in Omaha Federal Court, during a case involving Lawrence E. King, Jr. and the Franklin Credit Union scandal, that her son had visited her in 1997.

By Noreen Gosch's account, she was awakened one night in March, 1997 by a knock at her apartment door. Waiting outside was Johnny Gosch, now approximately 27 years old, accompanied by a man she had never seen before. The other man never identified himself, and never spoke, but seemed nervous and serious. Johnny divulged that his had been a targeted, not random, abduction, in 1982. His captors had forced him into a decade of child sex-slavery. Johnny explained that as his survival was a potential security breach for the conspiracy, he was currently, and probably permanently, in hiding, and would likely never see her again. Johnny and the unidentified man left the apartment. After this visit, Noreen Gosch finally turned off her porch light.

[gorbal]

30. That is the weirdest thing I have ever read in my entire life

I cannot seem to close my mouth it is so agog.

[Blue_Tires]

111. ??

stranger and stranger

[shanti]

133. bohemian grove

yes, that is always mentioned. down the rabbit hole this story goes...

[WhiteTara]

171. Washington Times did a front page story

Funny how now it is a Moonie Paper set in place by Poppy and his CIA buddies.

[goclark]

182. Must be a "coincidence" ~ Poppy loves Moonie

[Fierce]

6. Someone saw the cushy treatment Karr got

...and figured he could get in on it, too.

[Bucky]

193. Sadly, there well could be a connection there.

From what I understand from a prosecutor friend, the "cushy" treatment Karr got was part of an effort to loosen up his tongue and get him to reveal more than he intended to. It seems to have worked, as they were able to pretty quickly dismiss him as a viable suspect. But the implications of the publicity he got may well have triggered Gosch's kidnapper to try this publicity stunt. Whoever has (or had) Johnny Gosch already knew where his mother lived.

Such a sick, scary world we live.

[wicket]

8. Effing sick!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Catherine Vincent]

10. Oh my God!

That poor woman. :-(

[EFerrari]

11. Now we know there WERE other children involved.

:(

I was going to mail the link to Termite because he might be interested but I don't think I will. It's too horrible. What do you think?

[Catherine Vincent]

12. I would send it.

Just for his information.

[QuettaKid]

15. I discovered DU during the whole Gannon-Gosch episode.

I had never heard of this place until then....wow what a long, fascinating saga that was. Wonder if this new photo will drag that whole sorry business up again?

[Catherine Vincent]

19. I believe all the wrinkle threads are saved in the research forum.

I and many others was there from the beginning. I found out a lot of scary stuff during that time.

[Barrett808]

24. Could you catch us up on the overall story?

This is the first I've heard of it. Sounds rather sinister, in a large-scale conspiracy sort of way.

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[EFerrari]

20. That's how I got to know Andy. So, even though looking back

we were a big pita for Skinner, I don't regret it for that reason.

[kma3346]

41. Me too

This is when I first started coming to DU too. I never posted in the wrinkle threads but I was totally immersed in the Gosch-Guckart-Gannon mystery. I remember one DU'er who even went to the local library to get a yearbook that had Guckert in it. Who was that and what ever happened to her?

This is still a mystery that I have a feeling is the tip of something really big (and awful).

[Catherine Vincent]

65. I remember that....

"I remember one DU'er who even went to the local library to get a yearbook that had Guckert in it. Who was that and what ever happened to her?"

I can't remember his/her name (will have to search) but shortly after the wrinkle threads were shut down, s/he was tombstoned. That always stayed in the back of my mind. This poster wasn't a long time member. It's like he/she started up just in time and was willing to drive to the next town and search the library and copy them to find the high school pics. Things that make you go hmmmm.

[lies and propaganda]

144. me too!

i was reading those threads and I would be on #14 and there were already 5 new complete threads by the time i was done.


and it has stuck with me since, and I am in the camp that JG is JG, after a lot of research.

But this is fucked up, horrible break Noreen has had.

[EFerrari]

16. Did send it with a warning.

Oh jeeze. People are capable of anything. :(

[fooj]

43. NO! Please don't!

This is the last thing he needs to see. Please.

[The Backlash Cometh]

52. I think we need to figure out who those two boys are and start asking

why their parents didn't report them missing or start asking who can travel around the U.S. collecting young boys without being noticed?

[EFerrari]

70. We don't know that they weren't reported.

Imho, Noreen worked very hard to make sure the abduction of her son *was* in the "news".

I hope I could do as well in her position.

[IronLionZion]

18. WTF!, I wasn't born yet when this happened

and now some asshole chooses to torment the mother. This is some fucked up shit. The death penalty is too easy for the people who did this. They must suffer in prison for life.

That poor boy would be 36 now if he is alive.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Here is the pic: :-(

http://www.nbc5.com/news/9778102/detail.html#

[StrictlyRockers]

26. Chilling. Fucking sick.

[myrna minx]

27. How cruel for this to be sent to the mother.

:puke: :cry:

[Lars39]

31. oh shit.

that is just heart-stopping! :(

I keep thinking of something I saw, maybe on the History Channel...a program about nuclear fallout shelters that people had built in the US. About how nobody knew how many there were,or who had 'em. Some of them were *very* elaborate and comfortable. I keep wondering how many of these are being used for something like this. :sick to stomach:

[mountainvue]

34. Someone must recognize the other two children. n/t

[TroglodyteScholar]

36. Wearing the same sweat pants... ?

Looks to me like all three of those children are wearing denim jeans. Am I mistaken?

[jasmeel]

42. I saw the same thing. No sweat pants as far as I can see...

[EFerrari]

45. Yeah, the kid on the far right is wearing sweatpants/ n/t

/long day

[TroglodyteScholar]

59. Looks to me like light-colored denims...

...you can even see the rivets at the pockets.

Whatever this case, I've read some of the background and it's definitely sick stuff.

[Catherine Vincent]

62. And don't forget, two photos were delivered to Noreen.

[Minstrel Boy]

84. There's a second photo that hasn't been published n/t

[girl gone mad]

136. The photo of him in the sweatpants...

is here:

http://www.ninjaproxy.com/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.johnnygosch.com/

[me b zola]

145. What is "the brand" that is written on the photo?

Does it indicate that it is believed that Johnny was branded? If so, what is the brand?

I cannot begin to imagine the heartache.

[MissWaverly]

164. looks like there is a brand on his arm

wasn't there some flap about George Bush branding frat boys doing a hazing at Yale, I
believe it was with a hot coat hanger, if I remember correctly. This sounds like a frat
boy thing, they should have checked "branding" incidents at fraternities across the country.

[Bethany Rockafella]

167. In Mrs. Gosch's book she mentioned about kids abducted getting

branded with a symbol. That must be the brand that Johnny has on his arm.

[Joanne98]

180. What does the symbol look like? I can't really see it in the photo?

Somebody could run it thru the police softwafe program they have for tattoos and see it anything comes up. Immates with the brand could be questioned.

[bluetrain]

173. Isn't the brand a good sign, though? I mean, it would make these kids

identifiable.

[intheflow]

147. The photos were delivered on Noreen's birthday.

:cry: This absolutely breaks my heart. That poor woman!

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. The one on the left looks a bit like my oldest boy. :^( I don't have to

work too hard to imagine what the parents of these children must be feeling. :cry:

[Midlodemocrat]

46. Holy Shit. I'm surprised that mom didn't drop dead from a heart attack.

Sick, sick motherfuckers.

[ms liberty]

63. Note how the pic is cropped to eliminate any real details...

Also the plain white blanket, actually it looks like a coverlet, with the plain white pillowcases. The only detail that looks identifiable is the wall...look at the wall. Wood. Nice wood too, not pine strips, that looks like panels of expensive wood, maybe a maple?

Sorry. This is so sick that I have to look at it in a forensic, investigative type of way. I can't look at it with an emotional viewpoint, it would be too upsetting.

[Art_from_Ark]

199. Those poor kids

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[GardeningGal]

25. I hope the investigators can get something from it

I know it's not likely but would be great if there were evidence that would help to blow this thing wide open.

[Pachamama]

32. Wow! This is creepy! But it is also "good news" because it means someone

out there (perhaps the perp(s) or someone who knows the perps) has info that could lead to the truth.

But this is beyond creepy...why is someone giving this to her now? What is the objective? :eyes:

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[lonestarnot]

35. Talk about slime! What kind of freaks are these that would

do such things to children!???

[KittyWampus]

38. IMO, there is definately a child sex ring.... and it's used by politicians

Most especially Republicans who tend to have issues with sex and power.

Remember Bush's strange mention of sex slavery in his state of the union?

It was a warning for some to keep their mouhts shut and in line.

Gosch was taken by someone involved in this.

[lonestarnot]

44. No, don't remember the sex slavery thing in the State of Union, "or

whatever it's called" bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaa. God is he a piece of work. :puke:

[nashville_brook]

48. it was bush's UN speech where he was demanding the world join our war

i remember it sounded really off-key... like a threat...

[lonestarnot]

51. Damn I want to read it. Do you have a link?

[Catherine Vincent]

68. It was talked about a lot on DU at the time too.

[lonestarnot]

89. I must have been into other threads damn it.

[Joanne98]

54. It was a threat. He was saying "We got video" in code of course.

[AntiFascist]

61. Oh my Gosch! But why are doing this right now?

This can only be meant as a distraction.

[nashville_brook]

72. Gosch isn't Jon Benet -- sometmes a cigar is just a cigar

[AntiFascist]

79. Yes, but I know where this thread is leading, and I can just see....

a billion threads spawning from this one. Does anyone, besides his mother, really care if something bad happens to Jeff Gannon? Oh, I forgot, all us homosexuals who get titillated by all this.

[nashville_brook]

102. could lead to Valarie Plame.

[AntiFascist]

108. Say what?! You're going to have to fill us in on that! n/t

[nashville_brook]

121. or DynaCorp...

On March 11th 2005, McKinney grilled Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers on the Dyncorp scandal.

"Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the sex trade. The President called for the punishment of those involved in this horrible business. But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. Secretary, is it policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies that traffic in women and little girls?"

The response and McKinney's comeback was as follows.

Rumsfeld: "Thank you, Representative. First, the answer to your first question is, is, no, absolutely not, the policy of the United States Government is clear, unambiguous, and opposed to the activities that you described. The second question."

McKinney: "Well how do you explain the fact that DynCorp and its successor companies have received and continue to receive government contracts?"

[goclark]

169. Anyone that wonders why CMc had to go should now understand

She knew all their secrets and had the goods on them.

She was one brave little cookie to say that to Rumsfeld.

Did he ever answer the second part of her question?

I'm sure they kept the contract.

[Joanne98]

181. The Dyncorp child sex slavers got a 22 million dollar contract in Iraq

To provide "security" of course. Dyncorp probably rubbed their hands with glee at the thought of getting ahold of Iraqi children. "It's been so long since we tasted Mesopotamia". Evil bastards. Have you noticed everytime we "liberate" a country the pedophiles descend on it. It is like it's part of "the deal".

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11117

[AntiFascist]

195. Interesting, Gannon's most recent posts to his blog are about Plamegate...

:tinfoilhat:

[Divine Discontent]

132. unless it's a real political conspiracy and not just an obvious

abduction by some bastard who eventually killed the boy. if it's a real conspiracy it could be a warning saying don't think you people in gov't behind all this are in the clear.

[woodsprite]

160. Yeah, I always thought that was really weird.

It made me feel very uncomfortable. At that time I wasn't aware of the Regan/Bush era problems with young boys.

[goclark]

166. Right, I will never forget that line in his speech

My mouth flew open because it was so out of context.

Then I read about the sex ring with the hint that Poppy may have known about it and I started putting on my T-Hat.

Of course, T - Hats were not in fashion last year but now it seems that more and more people are realizing that T-Hats FIT in many cases.

In this case, the T-Hat may help to explain a lot of things that have been going on in our country.

Didn't John Ramsey run as a Republican in Michigan a few years ago? Huuum

[nashville_brook]

37. here's a DU thread referencing Andy Stephenson's take on Gosch/Guckert

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x82531

there's more... i'm looking...

[nashville_brook]

39. video of andy on Gannon=Gosch

http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/04/gannon-guckert-gosch.html

[lonestarnot]

53. Ah Andy... Hard to watch.

[nashville_brook]

55. here's another Andy thread on Gosch/Guckert

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3144209

it's humongous and info-rich.

[lonestarnot]

87. Thanks nashville_brook.

[Joanne98]

118. J.D. Guckert J.D Gannon J.D. Gosch

James Dale Guckert
Jeff D. Gannon
John David Gosch

note the initials...weird

[lonestarnot]

138. Damn #4 of the must see re the FBI phone call recording now

missing! Bastards!

[Joanne98]

47. The freeps have a thread on this story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694075/posts#comment?q=1

It's wierd. I thought they would diss DU conspiracy theory on Franklin Coverup, but they haven't. It would be nice if on just this on case everybody on the left and right pushed to find out what happened. Our leaders are so evil I wouldn't be surprised if they had a child sex slave ring. It would be nice to bust it wide open.

[MissWaverly]

56. One thing I noticed

I have seen Dateline sometimes, usually, these abductors always pick the same type boy,
same hair color, eye color, age, even the shape of the nose is the same. All 3 boys could
not be more different. There's one who is fair with blond hair, one who has dark hair and
a 3rd who looks to be either Latino or African American. I think that's very unusual
for this type of kidnapping. Anyone???

[Joanne98]

58. The abductors were serving multiple customers....

[MissWaverly]

71. it makes my skin crawl

here are innocent children, loved by their families, they are clean, neatly dressed in nice
clothes, well groomed haircuts snatched by evil away from their homes.

[Divine Discontent]

130. it could be a picture to show potential customers

their available "offerings" :(


but man, how did this story not make it really apparent that Bush or Reagan was apparently having 15 year old boy prostitutes willing or unwillingly being brought in to the white house:

[JI7]

203. there is a post on there that mentions another missing kid a year after

Johnny went missing. says he was also a paper boy from DM.

[ms liberty]

57. Wow, reading this thread has been an education...

I remember reading some tidbits during the Gannon/Guckert brouhaha, but I apparently missed the most interesting parts.

Thanks for posting.

[Raine]

67. This is weird

this whole thread involves one of the strangest cases I've ever read. I hadn't heard of this and I'm having a difficult time making heads or tails of it.

[Name removed]

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[MissWaverly]

90. Johnny Gosch was the all american kid, paper boy

snatched into thin air, in 1982, there were pictures of him everywhere but no clue to his
whereabouts ever came up until now really. Since this photo matches what he was wearing
and was definitely taken by the abductors or someone who knew the abductors and knew
who his mother was since it was delivered to her house.

[canichelouis]

85. I don't usually pay attention to this kind of stuff

Too iffy for me, usually.

But I happened to see part of a tv show, one of those 20/20 kind of things, that I don't usually watch either. Not sure which one.

Anyway, the story was about a retired detective who is involved in researching the 'Black Dahlia' brutal, unsolved murder case. Turns out his own father was a top suspect at the time, who was somehow taken off the list. Thought to be a big pay-off cover-up. His father, soon afterward, left the country for 40 years. He died in his 90's.

His father, a wealthy physician, from inherited money, Hodel I believe his name was, was head of the LA Public Health Dept.. He was also a major player on the Hollywood scene at the time, 1940's. Big, unusual house, an 'in' place for the Hollywood in-crowd, site of many a wild party.

Turns out he was a child pedophile, who raped and used his own daughter for the pleasure of his 'friends'. Turns out his 'friends' of the same ilk were the likes of Man Ray and John Houston.
Down right creepy stuff. Lots of photos and old 8mm of the gang during that time.

Then the show brings on the daughter, in her 70's I guess, who tells all of this. Turns out she is good friends with Michele Phillips, who appears on the show and talks about how creepy the dad was and how rough her friend's life was.

Cover-ups of sick stuff like this are believable.

The new movie about the crazed murder of the young girl, The Black Dahlia is calling attention to all of this, I guess.

Makes ya think.

[Boxerfan]

86. From the Memory Hole.....

There are no words foul enough & no punishment severe enough for these
EVIL BASTARDS!!

[FatDave]

98. Washington Times?

And who here would give credence to anything printed in the Washington Times if it didn't support their theory?

[nashville_brook]

100. deconstruct: why'd the WA Times do 6-col 70-pt banner contra Bush!

[FatDave]

101. A very good question.

I have no idea, do you have an answer? Forgive me, like I said in my overlong rambling post below, I'm just catching up on this Gosch/Guckert/Gannon biz.

But whether a story is anti-Bush or pro-Bush, why should anyone trust anything printed in the Washington Times?

[Festivito]

162. Same old Military-Industrial complex.

After '98, better to work with the big boys, even for Moon, who may have his own proclivities. Dirt may be had on each other, Moon and Bush. Moon occasionally writes errant piece just before each election, retracted, usually, days later if not longer.

Expensive D.C. offers place to stay for reps that includes, young women, or boys, if needed. (To be certain, cameras are provided.)

Operatives keep drugs illegal for dark-CIA funding, now keep pedophilia hyped to keep reps from revealing a nights indiscretion.

Last few years, children disappear from JEB's Florida child services. Not that kids don't disappear all the time inside America. Harsh laws and public opinion make them hide better and do worse things.

People born to wealth like thinking they deserve their lot, they help give others morals they don't need for themselves.

Moon want to be the second coming of Christ, or at least remembered for it. He's a power broker in D.C. Not the top dog, yet, in his mind. He wants to be the second coming of Christ. Not see it. Be it. Bush is pushing Armageddon. Not for Moon, but it keeps Moon happy with his paper and dirt while the Military-Industrial complex makes money from war... again.

[nashville_brook]

99. why is this stuff appearing now? remem Clinton saying the threat to him

was that the ReThugs would "go personal" if he did take a dive in the election. in the giant Clinton autobiography, he mentions this repeatedly.

so... the "far out" Gosch/Guckert story involves the "manufacture" of objects of desire that will be used in blackmail and other forms of control.

here's some remarkable photos from someone who, one would assume, has inside access. this isn't a threat to Nora. this is a nod. like, "there's more where this came from." i don't think this is a message to Nora -- it's a message to someone else who stands to be embarrassed. it's an outing.

This super-remarkable Washington Times story surfaced in mid-1989... the MIDDLE of 41's first term. and it's reported in the MOONIE TIMES. the ultraconservative paper that employs/ed the reporter Gannon sat next to during that famous "softball" question containing this colorful description: "divorced from reality Democrats"
http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/2005/02/more-on-this-later-who-are-these-guys.html


remember that Gannon was picked by bush RIGHT AFTER he was asked about Armstrong Williams and if the White House was running a Propaganda Campaign.
http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/2005/02/kill-insect-scribes-dead-stop.html

someone is getting "the treatment" here. the thugs are "going personal."

[fooj]

106. Yes. Why NOW?

Something is definitely up, IMO. I can't even begin to imagine the anguish and pain Noreen experienced when looking at the picture. It breaks my heart.

[AntiFascist]

125. The Washington Times article only begins to scratch the surface...

of the story uncovered in the "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary. It was rumored that this is how Moon, who has aspirations of the becoming a Messiah through his Unification Church, has been able to obtain so much power in Washington D.C. Do you think Moon could also be behind the story in the OP?

[gully]

94. Who are these other boys?

Insane world we live in man.

I hope there are some clues that lead to those who committed these horrible crimes.

[Minstrel Boy]

95. "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary

Here.

Filmed by Britain's Yorkshire Television, banned from US television, supressed and thought destroyed.

It's a must see.

[Catherine Vincent]

103. There it is.

Chilling documentary.

[Joanne98]

188. Conspiracy of Silence I just rented it from the video store.

A story about he Catholic church. Same one or stolen title?

[Liberal In Texas]

189. No. That's a fictional story.

^fiction^


The other one is a documentary. It is a rough cut saved by the producer after the other copies were ordered destroyed.

Watch it here:
http://www.franklincase.org/silence.htm

[Joanne98]

196. How come I can only watch one half of it?

[Liberal In Texas]

198. Really?

I just looked and the end titles come up about how it was a rough cut anonymously sent to DeCamp etc.

You might try another site. Just google it. It's all over the place.

[Joanne98]

200. thanx

[Minstrel Boy]

190. Different one, same title.

This "Conspiracy of Silence" is a pirated copy of a supressed documentary, available only online.

[Joanne98]

194. That's what I thought! Name stealers>

[FatDave]

97. I grew up in Des Moines and was also 12 in 1982

And let me tell you, there's no way a kid who was 12 in Des Moines can ever forget the name Johnny Gosch. I'm going to tell you what I remember of it, though bear in this is filtered through a now middle-aged man's memory.

There was another kid, also a paperboy, maybe a year or two older than Johnny that disappeared shortly after Johnny Gosch. His name was Eugene something, I want to say Eugene Martin, but like I said, my memory ain't what it used to be. Immediately everybody tried to link the two kids' disappearances due to the similarities. Johnny was from a well-to-do suburban home, Eugene was a poor kid. Probably irrelevant, just sharing what I remember.

Of course it was all over the local news when Johnny disappeared. Noreen Gosch was never one to shy away from the media attention. I don't mean to imply anything sinister in saying that, she was probably just trying to do everything she could to find her son, and felt the media exposure would help. It did strike me as a little odd though, even at the age of 12.

And there was talk of forced child prostitution, but isn't there always when a kid disappears?

A few years later (don't remember exactly how many, but the story had died down considerably) a dollar bill turned up in a local grocery store that had written on it "I am alive" and signed "Johnny Gosch". Noreen was on the news, certain that her son had written the note. I think they did side by side comparisons of the handwriting, which I (and most other people) thought was pretty inconclusive. My personal opinion was that it was probably somebody's sick idea of a joke, and Noreen was clinging to any sign of hope she could find.

In the early 90's, the local NBC affiliate (WHO 13) ran a heavily promoted 3-or-4 night "investigative" series called "I Took Johnny Gosch" wherein they interviewed a guy doing time (life?) in some other state (California maybe?) on an unrelated charge who decided to suddenly confess. Nobody had heard the name Johnny Gosch in years, not in any media anyway. His story was that at the time he was a teenage victim of a (wait for it...) forced child prostitution ring, and his captors forced him to snatch Johnny off the street. I never bought it. He was the John Mark Karr of his day (in Des Moines anyway). He got a few moments of (somewhat dim) spotlight in the middle of his prison sentence. By the final night, this guy's act had gotten ridiculous to the point where he had his "multiple personalities" getting in on the interview. One of them spoke with a cheesy British accent, another was an unconvincing little boy. No other network touched it. Nor did the police, as far as I can remember. WHO had (and probably still has) a ridiculous, sensationalized local newscast. They never made an effort to actually investigate the guys story, they just gave him an outlet (and themselves some ratings). But Noreen Gosch was certain that this man was telling the truth, and I believe flew off to meet with him at whatever prison he was in. Never heard another thing about the wacko who did silly voices.

And that was the last I had heard of any of it. I think there might have been a quick "The Gosch parents got divorced" story, but that was it. I still lived there in 1997 and 1999 and never heard a word about the shadowy visit from the 27 year old Johnny. Doesn't mean a word wasn't said, just I didn't hear it until reading these posts.

Now, as for this new picture? I don't completely buy it, but I don't completely discount it either. I can't say that I can positively identify any of those kids as Johnny Gosch, even right next to his picture. If it was my own child in a picture like that, I think I could tell for sure, but I've seen Noreen (quite understandably) cling to every glimmer of hope that ever turned up. What does Mr. Gosch have to say? Where's the other photo, the one of Johnny in the sweatpants he went missing in? Not that that would prove anything, necessarily. I'm ready to believe it if something more convincing comes along, but not based on what we've seen so far.

Tonight's also the first I've heard of the Gosch/Guckert/Gannon connection, and I gotta say those photo comparisons are eerie. I'm gonna look into it some more, but how exactly do we get from "they'll kill me if they find me" to "they've hired me as a media shill"?

On Edit: Doesn't it also seem like amazing timing? Two sudden amazing breaks in decades old child-abuse related cold cases?

[MissWaverly]

104. No, I have been thinking you are now 36 how old would

the abductor be, say he was in his forties, 24 years is a long time for someone middle aged,
he could have even been moved to a nursing home and someone (found) these and wants the
investigation reopened but doesn't want involved.

[FatDave]

109. If that were the case...

...why not a printed note that says "I found these in the possessions of Joe Blow"? Anonymous tips are usually, you know, tips.

[MissWaverly]

110. well, now in the days of CSI

people are convinced that they can get your DNA off your cat's whisker, and if this person
is just an innocent stranger who bumbled into this; I can see why they would hesitate, and
maybe they thought it might be Johnny Gosch but weren't sure, his mother would know so
send it to her; w/o realizing how cruel that was because they were so bummed out by finding
this.

[FatDave]

113. But they would take the same risk just by delivering the pictures.

Pictures alone, or pictures with a note, you'd better be minding your fingerprints either way.

(Please note, I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to figure this all out too)

[MissWaverly]

114. well, no, my neighbor is the cleanest woman on earth

and if she had to clean out a rental, the first thing she would use would be the old
latex rubber gloves, esp. if he was a dirt ball. So maybe the person was cleaning when they
found the pictures and maybe Dude X rented from them but only in his old age so it would
make sense to ship it off and not get involved. I am not saying it's right but it's how
people think. Like if they connected my place to X, I could never rent it and I need the money.
Or maybe this person is dead, say he was found dead in his room and they cleaned up and found
it. I used to live in Phila in a high rise, one of the renters died and they did not find
him for 2 months, well, when they went into that place, they had rubber gloves, everything
and he had died of a heart attack, just an old duffer. (They didn't open the apartment
because he had paid his rent 2 month payments at a time). I just keep thinking why this
was released after all this time, I bet the abductor is dead, if he just wanted to brag,
he would have done it long before this.

[Oilwellian]

135. Here's a pic of Eugene Martin

At 12:


Age progressed:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=601815&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

[Joanne98]

151. Eugene Martin kinda looks like George Stephanopoulos!

:)

[MissWaverly]

163. I think he looks more like Sean Hannity

http://mud.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/267969344

picutre is from closecuts.blogspot.com

[Pachamama]

139. Make that "3" cold cases that suddenely came to light: Don't forget the

girl in Austria that was abducted a decade ago and escaped her captor, only for him to commit suicide before being aprehended.

All I know is that these cases (and child abductions in general) happen way too often, but I will admit, this case in particular is very very odd and the photo (if authentically Johnny Gosch) and the fact and manner in which it was dropped off at Noreen Gosch's door is really really creepy.

[EFerrari]

148. I hadn't heard the story about the guy who "confessed".

The thing is, it's not unusual for people who have suffered sexual abuse to develop "multiple" personalities as they try to wall off the part of themselves that got so hurt and try to inhabit some other "part" of themselves.

So, that part of his story isn't at all unbelievable. Oh, geeze.

[DemonFighterLives]

183. Thanks for your story

I'm still following along here.
:kick:

[lies and propaganda]

191. i ahve a friend with your exact story

he grew up there and was 13 when it happened. He spoke of how taht was his dream job and then the took kids disappeared and his parents took that dream away.

Never thought as adults we'd bediscussing its connections to the gay WH fake reporter

[DemonFighterLives]

105. Terrible pictures

Hi to the Gannon/guckert Wrinkle team.

Do we have to start up again? I'm sure we got the admin. a little pissed with the whole thing, but damn the intrigue was thick.
Even poor DemonFighter found himself quoted on some kooky Gannon/Gosch website. It kind of freaked me out and this was before the NSA spying was confirmed.

:freak:

Poor Noreen- I hope the culprits are brought to justice.
:hide:

[Catherine Vincent]

116. Hi!

:hi:

[antigop]

115. Whatever happened to Hookergate?

n/t

[nashville_brook]

122. i'm wondering if there isn't a connection...

the hookergate thing sounds very much like the Franklin scandal.

[lies and propaganda]

192. wasnt hookergate the Cunnigham/Watergate scandal?

and Franklin Credit Union was child sex & embezzelement in Omaha.

its so hard to keep up, its sick.

[Catherine Vincent]

117. How odd.

Noreen's website "johnnygosch.com" is down.

[FatDave]

123. Not odd at all.

Just overloaded. Just like Liebermann's in the runup to the Connecticut primary.

And yes, I can tell that the website was purposely disabled. That's not unusual either. Not only is it standard practice for low-budget hosting companies to take down a site that's suddenly getting enough traffic to overwhelm their servers, it's also common to charge exhorbitant fees for bandwidth above and beyond a certain pre-set limit. In the latter case, the site owner will often voluntarily take it down.

Look up "slashdot effect" and being "boing-boinged". No need to read anyting unusal into a site going down after a sudden spike in traffic.


Edit: Mispelled "Boing-Boinged"

[girl gone mad]

137. Here's a proxy:

http://www.ninjaproxy.com/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.johnnygosch.com/

[bananas]

142. Thanks! And here's a caching proxy of the proxy...

using the Coral CDN caching proxy running on PlanetLab servers worldwide,
which can still be quite slow...
http://www.ninjaproxy.com.nyud.net:8080/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.johnnygosch.com/

the two photos:
http://www.ninjaproxy.com.nyud.net:8080/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/
http://www.ninjaproxy.com.nyud.net:8080/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/

[HuffleClaw]

119. hmmmmmm

is this yet another rove-ian distraction?

[FatDave]

128. Hey!

You got your conspiracy in my conspiracy!

[Sir Jeffrey]

127. Anyone familiar with "The Finders"...

Odd things afoot.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:ZiXHgNm23TEJ:www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Finders%2520Part%2520I.htm+%22the+finders+and+the+cia%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

"The case is almost seven years old now, but matters surrounding a mysterious group known as the Finders keeps growing curiouser and curiouser. In early February 1987, an anonymous tipster in Tallahassee, Fla., made a phone call to police. Two "well-dressed men" seemed to be "supervising" six disheveled and hungry children in a local park, the caller said. The cops went after the case like bloodhounds - at least at first. The two men were identified as members of the Finders. They were charged with child abuse in Florida. In Washington, D.C., police and U.S. Customs Service agents raided a duplex apartment building and a warehouse connected to the group. Among the evidence seized: detailed instructions on how to obtain children for unknown purposes and several photographs of nude children. According to a Customs Service memorandum obtained by U.S. News, one photo appeared "to accent the child's genitals." The more police learned about the Finders, the more bizarre they seemed: There were suggestions of child abuse, Satanism, dealing in pornography and ritualistic animal slaughter. None of the allegations was ever proved, however. The child abuse charges against the two men in Tallahassee were dropped; all six of the children were eventually returned to their mothers, though in the case of two, conditions were attached by a court. In Washington, D.C., police began backing away from the Finders investigation. The group's practices, the police said, were eccentric - not illegal. "

more at the link from this long forgotten story published in that well-known bastion of conspriacy theories and communist plots, US News and World Report.

[earth mom]

131. OMG-that photo is gut wrenching! Poor Noreen!

:cry:

I'm surprised to see this story popping up again, because I thought the powers that be had thoroughly swept it under the carpet in the past year or so. When the wrinkle threads were going on here on DU, I could have sworn that the whole thing was gonna blow up into a huge scandal for the * administration. Then nothing. It was over.

Now here it is again.

Why?!

Who sent that photo?!

[Raksha]

134. You can be sure that whoever was meant to get the message,

whatever that message might have been, DID get it. Not Noreen Gosch, but whoever it was intended for.

[earth mom]

140. After reading some more about this...I think you're right.

someone was being warned...just like with the Washington Times story...

[Raksha]

143. Alternatively, someone who was afraid to speak out until now

is no longer afraid, for whatever reason. That person could even be Johnny Gosch himself, if he's still alive. Who knows?

I first learned about the Gosch case on DU during those marathon "Wrinkle" threads a year and a half ago. That was right after James Guckert aka Jeff Gannon was exposed as a fake reporter and there was all that speculation as to whether he could actually be Johnny Gosch.

I sat here at my computer for a solid week taking all this stuff in. I looked at all the age progressions people put up, and while I never could see the resemblence everyone else claimed to see, the Gosch case itself haunted me, as did the Franklin cover-up which was also news to me. Too damn many unanswered questions.

I don't know if the Gannon/Gosch speculation was all over the Internet or only on DU. Since I was glued to DU 24/7 trying to digest all this stuff, I really have no idea what the other blogs were saying, or not saying.

But if somebody just wanted to pull a sadistic prank, wouldn't March 2005 have been the time to do it? As several people have asked already, WHY NOW???

Either someone is sending a message to someone else, or someone knows it's safe to start dropping clues again.

[Oilwellian]

141. So the original abductor is still out there...

and now leaving photos taken of her son right after he was abducted. Someone is antagonizing the powers that be.

[txb]

146. Eeew & Kicked! n/t

[intheflow]

149. K&R to find the sickos who kidnapped Johnny and those other boys.

But this is NOT an endorsement of the Gannongate Wrinkles. IMO, that was settled when that DUer went and found photos of Gannon in his HS year book in the mid-to-late '70's. The posted the photos in the Wrinkle threads (I can't find which one now) and I felt it conclusively stopped the Gannon-is-Gosch possibility. Johnny was 12 in 1982, Gannon was a senior in high school in the 1970's. There's no way they can be the same person.

[QuettaKid]

150. don't forget about Hunter Thompson's suicide.

didn't it come right around the same time as the Gannon thing unfolded? He had been mentioned as being in on a snuff film IIRC.

[Joanne98]

154. Yes on the same day.....here

Hunter and snuff films
The Gannon/Gosch connection was first made public early in the morning on Feb. 20. Later that same day, Hunter S. Thompson was found dead in his home, the victim of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot.

Few people would ever have thought to connect Thompson and Gosch, but those familiar with the tales of child abuse and pedophilia documented in "The Franklin Cover-Up," a book first released in 1994 by former Neb. State Sen. John DeCamp, understand the association.

In his book, DeCamp relates many interviews and discussions with Paul Bonacci, the young man who claims to have been involved with the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. Bonacci told horrific tales of being forced into sex with adults and other children. In one case he recalls being flown into Nevada with another young boy whom he did not know. They took on another passenger there and headed to a secluded location where Bonacci says he was forced to have sex with the younger boy. The young boy, Bonacci claims in this book, was also forced to have sex with adult males, who then killed the boy with a gunshot to the head. Bonacci says he was then forced to have sex with the corpse.

The passenger they took on in Nevada filmed the entire thing, and Bonacci recalled that his name was Hunter Thompson

[intheflow]

156. Sometimes coincidences are just coincidences.

That's why they call them coincidences.

[Joanne98]

176. And sometimes they're not.

[seabeyond]

152. is the message to the mother? or to other people? sending photos now

bring this up again. is it someone in the know letting others know he has the power over them to expose. could this be a threat to whomever.... for whatever reason.

i see sending photo to mom more a message to others involved

and that is my conspiracy moment

[Joanne98]

155. I think it's a message. We should start a new thread...

Call it. A message or a threat?

[antigop]

170. Whatever happened to the investigation?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114610728002837324-nRnF_ahxSnYdWg6foBQ3_mvCwZ4_20070427.html?mod=blogs

>>
Federal prosecutors are investigating whether two contractors implicated in the bribery of former Rep. Randall "Duke" Cunningham supplied him with prostitutes and free use of a limousine and hotel suites, pursuing evidence that could broaden their long-running inquiry.

Besides scrutinizing the prostitution scheme for evidence that might implicate contractor Brent Wilkes, investigators are focusing on whether any other members of Congress, or their staffs, may also have used the same free services, though it isn't clear whether investigators have turned up anything to implicate others.
>>

[newspeak]

174. I read the "Franklin Cover-up"

well over ten years ago. DeCamp, put his life and reputation on the line writing this book. Apparently, a couple of victims who testified were put in prison until they recanted their story. Now, what is that? Punishing the victim? I know a couple refused to recant. What has been exposed on J. Edgar Hoover, a man who had more power and dirt on many, yet, he seems to have been a pervert extraordinaire-how can anyone discount the level of corruption in high places? I remember when all of this was going down--why more people weren't alarmed? Culminating within eight years, the Iran-Contra, BCCI, WH sex scandal, S&L debacle, death squads, and in California at the time of Iran-Contra exposure, I remember a story in S. California about a British agent who apparently killed his family and then they found him suicided. At that time, I wondered if it had anything to do with the BCCI-Iran-Contra connection. Danny Casalero met an informant before he was suicided. Ng continued Casalero's investigation into BCCI and he is murdered. No need for the tin had, no sirree!!!! Does anyone know when Moon bought the Washington Post? Was it before or after the child sex scandal? I don't have to don a tinfoil hat, cause if people would have read what was going down in the eighties and early nineties, they wouldn't need no tinfoil hat. It was there, for all to see, in our papers before we lost our investigative journalists!!!! Moon and his wife are crowned in a congressional chamber and where are the freepers decrying it? Maybe it's okay to them that a man who owns a paper who may think he's the new messiah!!!! We read it right? No need for tinfoil-it was right there in the paper after it happened. This is not a Republican and Democratic partisan thing--it is about harming the innocent, it's about sex slavery, it's about corruption, and it's about unchecked power.

[Liberal In Texas]

187. The third edition of DeCamp's book was released last year.

It has some updated information and worth getting even if you've alread read the older edition. Amazon still has the second edition on their site, but the third is available through DeCamp's office in Nebraska.
[e-mail] or 402-477-3974 or AWT Inc. P.O. Box 85461 Lincoln, NE 68501. $12.95 + $4 S&H.

John DeCamp was a republican when he was in the state legislature. He may still be one, but he sure doesn't have too many good things to say about them these days.

Also check out this website:
http://www.franklincase.org

[antigop]

175. Bush speech to UN -- mentions sex trade

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030923-4.html

>>
There's another humanitarian crisis spreading, yet hidden from view. Each year, an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 human beings are bought, sold or forced across the world's borders. Among them are hundreds of thousands of teenage girls, and others as young as five, who fall victim to the sex trade. This commerce in human life generates billions of dollars each year -- much of which is used to finance organized crime.

There's a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable. The victims of sex trade see little of life before they see the very worst of life -- an underground of brutality and lonely fear. Those who create these victims and profit from their suffering must be severely punished. Those who patronize this industry debase themselves and deepen the misery of others. And governments that tolerate this trade are tolerating a form of slavery.

This problem has appeared in my own country, and we are working to stop it. The PROTECT Act, which I signed into law this year, makes it a crime for any person to enter the United States, or for any citizen to travel abroad, for the purpose of sex tourism involving children. The Department of Justice is actively investigating sex tour operators and patrons, who can face up to 30 years in prison. Under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, the United States is using sanctions against governments to discourage human trafficking.

The victims of this industry also need help from members of the United Nations. And this begins with clear standards and the certainty of punishment under laws of every country. Today, some nations make it a crime to sexually abuse children abroad. Such conduct should be a crime in all nations. Governments should inform travelers of the harm this industry does, and the severe punishments that will fall on its patrons. The American government is committing $50 million to support the good work of organizations that are rescuing women and children from exploitation, and giving them shelter and medical treatment and the hope of a new life. I urge other governments to do their part.
>>

[DemonFighterLives]

184. That is amazing considering his poppy was involved in the

Whitehouse scandal and that his brother Neal was a sex tourist in Thailand.
The speech came out of nowhere and basically went nowhere.
I wonder how this relates to his pretzel incident timewise? poppy must have let him have it.
:nopity:

[madmusic]

177. "Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers."

"She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity."

Too freakin' much! This is the first I've heard of any of this, and it's crazy and seems to be very well organized. Kind of an "Eyes Wide Shut" thing. Spooky.

[Joanne98]

185. Daily Kos: Bush official gets caught at customs with child porn

For people that don't believe the party of "moral values" is evil.

Another BUSHCO child molester caught just Sunday at customs..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/1/235930/4647

Bush Admin Linked To Child Sex Scandal (UPDATE on "Crony" Controversy)
by Mike Stark
Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:59:30 PM PDT
Via Rigorous Intuition comes this from Jack Date over at the blotter.


An Ivy League business school professor is in federal custody for allegedly having videos of himself engaging in sexual acts with children, ABC News has learned.

Lawrence Scott Ward, 63, Professor Emeritus of Marketing at University of Pennsylvania's renowned Wharton School of Business, was caught with child pornography in his luggage and on his laptop computer after arriving at Dulles International Airport on a flight from Brazil, according to court documents.

...

Federal agents recovered at least three DVDs, in which Ward appears to be "engaging in sexual contact" with children, the affidavit reads. A video of children as young as eight engaged in sexual activity was also allegedly found on Ward's laptop computer.

...

Ward's resume lists several government consulting assignments including work with the Executive Office of the President, the FCC, Department of Commerce and the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse Prevention.


http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15384739.htm
Wharton professor accused of child pornLawrence Scott Ward was arrested at D.C.'s Dulles Airport. Authorities say he imported sex videos of children.
By Robert Moran
Inquirer Staff Writer
Lawrence Scott Ward, a Wharton School professor emeritus, was arrested Sunday morning at Washington's Dulles International Airport after he allegedly entered the country with videos of him engaged in sex acts with underage boys.

Ward, 63, who has a 1999 Montgomery County conviction for attempting to solicit sex from an undercover agent posing as a 15-year-old boy, was arriving on a United Airlines flight from Brazil when he was flagged in a sex-predator crackdown for having taken "excessive" trips to Thailand, a haven for sex tourism, authorities said.

In Ward's luggage, customs agents discovered three mini-DVDs showing the renowned marketing professor performing sex acts with boys who appeared to be between 14 and 16 years old, according to an affidavit filed in federal court.

Marc Raimondi, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, declined to comment.

Lori N. Doyle, vice president of communications for the University of Pennsylvania, issued a brief written statement late yesterday afternoon.

"We have just learned of the arrest of Scott Ward in Virginia. At the present time, we have very few details. As we receive more information from the authorities, we will take appropriate action."

Doyle declined to comment further.

Ward, a native of Pittsburgh, had taught at Harvard Business School before joining Wharton in 1980.

Customs agents on Sunday also discovered a video on Ward's laptop computer showing two children who appeared to be as young as 8 years old engaged in sexual activity, according to the affidavit.

Ward was taken into custody, and a video camera, a mini-DVD disc, a portable memory drive and $3,126 in cash were confiscated. Ward could not be reached yesterday.

The affidavit states that Ward "did unlawfully, knowingly and intentionally import into the territory of the United States child pornography."

The affidavit does not specify charges or penalties.

In 1999, Ward ended a six-year legal fight in a sex-solicitation case by entering a plea in which he did not admit guilt but acknowledged prosecutors had enough evidence for conviction.

He was sentenced to five years' probation by Montgomery County Judge S. Gerald Corso.

"My opinion is that you will respond very appropriately to probation," Corso said. "I would say this is not likely to recur."

That case stemmed from an allegation made by a convicted felon that he had procured young, clean-cut boys from broken homes for Ward.

That prompted a 1993 sting operation in which a state trooper posed as a 15-year-old boy and was propositioned by Ward, resulting in the 1999 conviction.

In 1995, a jury acquitted Ward in a case in which a male prostitute claimed to have had oral sex with Ward between 50 and 100 times when he was 13.

Through his legal troubles and allegations of pedophilia, he remained on the faculty at Wharton.

His biography on Wharton's Web site states that Ward was currently involved in study projects in the Philippines. He previously had a visiting appointment at Chulalongkorn University in Thailand.

He has consulted with numerous companies in Asia and South America.

His personal biography states that he was chairman of the ReBound Foundation, "an organization that served disadvantaged children with learning disabilities."

When he was arrested in the state police sting in 1993, he was living in Ardmore. Though he is registered to vote in Philadelphia, where he resides could not be determined last night.


http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15384739.htm

[Catherine Vincent]

186. Was this reported on CNN, MSNBC and Fox?

I know, dumb question.

[Joanne98]

197. LMAO!

[snot]

202. Does anyone think Fitzgerald's investigation

might extend into this stuff?

[Joanne98]

205. That would be a miracle. We can always hope though.

[snot]

206. Has anyone contacted "Jeff Gannon"'s "mother"?

I.e., not Noreen, but whoever "Jeff"'s mom is supposed to be. Jeff has a website now in which he's purporting to be a serious "new media" journalist (he actually makes fun of Katie Couric for aspiring to be taken seriously), and he mentions a dog named Churchill who he says he had to leave with his mom when he went to Washington: http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/tributes/index.html

[snot]

207. And Gosch Productions --

"Our specialty is video" -- I don't suppose there's any connection there?

[New Earth]

209. look what i just found on a myspace bulletin

from the "Our Missing Children" profile:

Friday, September 1, 2006 Last updated 7:09 p.m. PT

Mom receives photo of missing son

By JAMES BELTRAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

DES MOINES, Iowa -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweat pants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of Sept. 5, 1982, his mother said.

"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday night. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'

"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."

Gosch said investigators confirmed the photos were authentic and likely taken within "hours or days" of the abduction. She said they were checking for fingerprints that could lead them to the source and possibly a breakthrough in a case that has long baffled authorities. The other boys in the photo were unidentified.

The photos were given to the state Division of Criminal Investigation's computer crime task force, West Des Moines police Lt. Jeff Miller said. He said police have not positively identified the boy in the photos as Johnny Gosch.



Johnny's disappearance triggered nationwide fears of child abductions. He was one of the first faces of missing or abducted children to appear on milk cartons across the country.

Several theories have developed since he vanished before dawn while delivering Sunday newspapers. His newspaper wagon was discovered near his West Des Moines home, but few substantial clues have surfaced since then.

Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity.

The National Center for Missing Children is examining the other boys in the photograph and trying to match it with its database of missing children.

"These kids have parents someplace," Gosch said. "I'm sure they feel the same way I did. ... Hopefully we can do some good and give these parents some peace."

Johnny was Gosch's youngest of three children, and she has devoted her life to finding him, from raising money for private detectives to following her own leads and prodding police to try harder. She also wrote a book called "Why Johnny Can't Come Home."
JOHN GOSCH
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=601763&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US




Age Progression

DOB: Nov 12, 1969
Missing: Sep 5, 1982
Age Now: 36
Sex: Male
Race: White
Hair: Lt. Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'7" (170 cm)
Weight: 140 lbs (64 kg)
Missing From:
WEST DES MOINES
IA
United States

John's photo is shown age-progressed to 35 years. He was last seen delivering newspapers. He has facial freckles, a gap between his front teeth, a birthmark on his left cheek, and a horseshoe-shaped scar on his tongue.
ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)