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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:10 PM
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Mexico Race War - whites against the browns

http://www.counterpunch.com/ross08312006.html


"Pinche Indios!"
Diary of the Mexican Earthquake


The criminal fraud perpetrated in the July 2 presidential election against leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) by the right-wing PAN party, President Vicente Fox, the Federal Electoral Institute and the Supreme Electoral Tribunal once again rips the mask off racism in Mexico.

As has been evident since the campaigns kicked off last January, Lopez Obrador represents the aspirations of Mexico's brown underclass. His right-wing rival Felipe Calderon's people are translucently white. Although the media and the political class refuse to recognize this reality, two months after the most hotly-contested presidential race in the nation's history, racism is driving the Mexican car to the precipice.

This Monday (August 29), the all-white Tribunal accelerated the suicide run when it ignored ample evidence of ballot box tampering and computer fraud presented by Lopez Obrador's electoral representatives, to confirm Calderon's ­ and the white ruling elite's - much-questioned "victory."

-snip-

It is hardly a coincidence that Lopez Obrador, a white man who grew up in the Chontal Indian region of his native Tabasco state and who has the overwhelming support of "the people the color of the earth" as the absent Zapatista spokesperson Subcomandante Marcos once tagged the brown underclass, won Oaxaca handily last July 2. In fact, AMLO won 16 highly indigenous, impoverished, "brown" southern states while Calderon swept 16 states in the much more lightly complected north in the fraud-marred July balloting.

-snip-

In selling their candidates to the indigenous communities, the parties pitted Indians against Indians and the killing began before the ballots were even counted when supporters of the PRI and the PRD opened fire on each other in the highland Tzotzil municipality of Zinacantan. The bodies lay on the town basketball court for hours, the villagers too frightened to approach their dead. The Zapatistas reject elections and the political parties precisely because they divide and wound Indian communities.

-snip-

You see it in their lined brown faces, 70 year-old janitors and exhausted maids just off work from the nearby tourists hotels, the "abaniles" or day laborers, short dark street vendors, their faces taut with the fury that has been bottled up for 500 years, buried under the whips of the overseers and the crumbs the mal gobierno sprinkles on the poor, the hypocritical lip service paid to them on patriotic holidays, the dictatorship of the Televisocracy.

You hear it in the intensity of their chants, how they erupt from each brown throat in short angry bursts: "Duro!" (Hard!), "Fraude!" (Fraud!), "No Pasaran!" The signature cry of "Voto Por Voto, Casilla Por Casilla" ("Vote by Vote, Precinct by Precinct!") is almost too long to express their frustrations now.

-snip-

White News

Mexico's unmentioned race war is perhaps most dramatically reflected on the television screen. 100 per cent of those who read the lies-as-news on Televisa and TV Azteca are white Mexicans, some with blonde hair. They deliver the white news, the news of Calderon and his dubious "victory" and how awful AMLO's brown people are for fouling the streets of Mexico City with their filthy encampments. Although he is white like them, AMLO himself rarely even rates a mention unless Le Monde or the New York Times has run an interview with him that day and any notice of the great fraud perpetrated against the Mexican people is treated with disdain.
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500 years is too long

it's time for what goes around to come around
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:15 PM
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1. Ya, let that Mayan and Aztec energy rise up against these assholes
No passage for Calderone!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:28 PM
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2. It's taken them thirty years, but it sure does look like a peasant
revolt is underway. (That's thirty years by my perceptions -- as in the point when I first noticed that peasants realized that there was no divine right to a good life for the upper class.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:41 PM
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3. Oh sure the people from counter punch
have read the Mexican papers NOT.

Look folks what is reported in the US about this mess is far from "the truth." But I hardly expect this to change any time soon

If somebody calls himself a liberal, the American left will embrace them and put them in a pedestal for they could never do anything wrong. Here is the truth about Manuel Lopez Obrador...

1.- His people signed the Actas the Conformidad attached to the Actas Electorales all over the country on July 2nd, I guess they missed the memo that they were NOT suposed to do that.

2.- AMLO, the hero of the left, did not file much of the paper work challenging the elections in legally prescribed due time before the TRIFE

3.- AMLO is doing incredible damage to the left in Mexico and has been told such by leaders of the left. (Such as Cardenas, but I am sure you all knew this)

4.- He is a classic authoritarian personality that is used to getting his way or the highway. Perchance you may want to examine the personality type for he has much in common wtih George... same personaltiy type to be exact.

5.- Many Mexicans (yes some even brown, incredible I know) who actually have a dog in this fight, told me when I was down there that thy were sorry they voted for him and that they would not be fooled again.

6.- In mexico we are not going to have another caste war in the Yucatan, for in fact we already have one underway and Manuelito had nothing to do with it, rather Comandante Marcos had a smidgen more to do with it... for the moment nobody is shooting at anybody... no guarantees there that nobody will in the future.

7.- I read plenty of Mexican papers straddling all the political spectrum, and many of them, surprise, surprise even the ever so conservative excelsior asked the TRIFE to nullify the election if enough irregularities were found... yes you read right the very conservative exceltior's editorial pages asked for election nullification. I am sure the folks at Counterpunch knew this... RIGHT? RIGHT.....

Now please continue to support a man that will continue to do damage to the Left in Mexico, so much damage that people with a dogie in this fight are considering never again voting for the same left... This is called take a gun, aim at foot and pull trigger. Yes AMLO is at the same spot Gore was after the USSC said no more... he can judiciously accept the results for the good of the nation (and I am sure Gore at times regrets that decision) and step back, or go for open revolution.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:01 PM
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4. you speakith baloney
nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:13 PM
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7. Sure I am,. sorry for busting your ideal bubble
but I am talking from READYING the Mexican Press and TALKING to Mexicans who happen to LIVE in Mexico City...

Unlike you I went ahead and read all I could and you know what? AMLO shares the personality type of George Bush, aka Authoritarian, and you know what else? He came out of the PRI and he is a POPULIST... but not truly a liberal, at least NOT by Mexican standards.

He is also doing quite a bit of damage to the PRD and he has been asked to stop his campaign by Cardenas... yep published in the MEXICAN PRESS... and indeed papers asked for nullification if the TRIFE found cause.

What is more, the Actas de Conformidad WERE signed by his people and he did NOT file on time. By the way, this is NOT the first time he plays victim, establishes a parallel government or anything like that. He did this before in tabasco, for the governor's race, but I am sure you knew this.

Keep believing what you want to believe... I simply do not... but then again I read and speak Spanish as a native speaker, and know a tad more about Mexican History than you do... (I am sure of it) and have done the research by readying the Papers and listening to News from Mexico City.

Instead of telling me that I am talking crap, go ahead prove me wrong.. I am sure the folks at Counterpunch did their research on this :sarcasm: Not.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:15 PM
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5. Gore should have stood up and demanded that the illegal ruling by the
SCOTUS be ignored and the will of the people be known and obeyed. Why don't you check the rules? We are a pro Democratic process site.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:14 PM
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8. He should have, he could have
in recent interviews he has said that the next step was open revolt. Listen to Gore, in recent interviews, and get a hint.

by the way, if he did that in oh 2008 the country MIGHT follow... in 2000, the country was not ready for that
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:56 PM
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11. The country was waiting for a leader in 2000. Gore signed up with the
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 02:56 PM by Vincardog
Pundits and silk stocking consultancy. He was wrong then and that is why he let the coup of 2000 go unchallenged. This country would be better off now if we had open opposition to the fascist thugs in 2000.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:53 PM
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15. As much as I woudl love to agree wtih that
I don't think this country had the stomach to do what was needed in 2000... and you know what? We don't yet... people are NOT hungry enough yet.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:08 PM
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17. MAy be the people are NOT hungry enough yet but I AM.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:41 PM
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20. Unfortunately you and I are not enough
We need far more to be ready
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:44 PM
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6. Why would you call Cardenas a leader of the left?
He certainly is not. He is the leader of the corporations and more wealthy Mexicans in the north of Mexico.

And John Ross has extensive experience with Mexico. Counterpunch prints people's articles, but they are free-lancers.

""Ross, who top Mexican journalist Blanche Petrich calls "a new John Reed covering a new Mexican revolution", will also be presenting a seventh chapbook of poetry, "jazzmexico" for audiences in California and New York. With 20 years on the ground in Latin America, John Ross contributes regularly to the LA Weekly, the Nation magazine, the San Francisco Bay Guardian, Noticias Aliadas (Lima) and Gemini News Service (London), in addition to regular commentary on Pacifica radio stations. His weekly on-line feature, Mexico Barbaro, is available at nicadlw@earthlink.net. ""

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/~archive/chiapas95/1997.10/msg00015.html

This election was stolen in a massive way. Why in the world are you championing Cardenos?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:16 PM
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9. Cardenas, a corporatist
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 02:40 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Ok... if you say so... he is not... Cardenas is the son of a former president of Mexico, who I might remind you nationalized oil creating PEMEX. He also was the standard bearer for the PRD until AMLO took over as the candidate of the party to the Presidency.

So what other rewriting of Mexican History am I going to read on DU?

(For the record my Masters IS in Mexican History)

On edit

His dad was a Mexican General and ran as the PRI standard bearer, but that was when the PRI was closer to the ideals of the Mexican Revolution... but I am sure you knew that

Here is more information on President Cardenas...

http://socrates.berkeley.edu:7001/Events/fall2002/09-12-02-Alberroetal/tolanremarks.html
Corporatist... yeah really, whatever

Oh and forgot the most critical point.. who is the founder of the PRD? Cardenas is... surrpise, surprise, surrprise

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:20 PM
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13. So what if you are an expert on history of Mexico
so you can throw out a lot of history and facts. The basic problem is that the election was fraudulent. There was a majority that voted for Obrador and their votes were thrown out in various ways. The people wanted Obrador, but the administration of Mexico did not want Obrador. They wanted a continuation of Fox.

If there were so much popular support for Calderon, why aren't people counter protesting in support?

You can have degrees in history of Mexico and still not be on the side of the working class Mexican who want better support from their government, so quit throwing your degree and expertise all over the place.



""Calderón is an attorney and former energy minister of Mexico. He is considered a conservative who is expected to continue many of the economic policies of outgoing President Vincente Fox, who is leaving office following a six-year term.""


""FOX'S GUANAJUATO
In Fox's Guanajuato, the rich got a lot richer but the poor continued to migrate north to the United States at rates that make the state's emigration rate the most voluminous in Mexico. Through a state agency that scouted jobs for the U.S. H2R guestworker program, Governor Fox even capitalized on this desperate trek north by contracting with U.S. entrepreneurs seeking a guaranteed low-wage, highly mobile workforce-dozens of Guanajuatenses were signed on to work as gardeners on a private golf course in the state of Michigan.""

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mexico/Fox_Inc_Mexico.html
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:35 PM
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14. The fact is that no evidence that could
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 03:56 PM by nadinbrzezinski
stand in a court of law was presented by AMLO. The few that was ON BOTH SIDES led to votes thrown out ON BOTH SIDES.

The fact is also that Obrador's people signed the Actas de Conformidad on July 2nd, nobody coerced them to do this, all over the country

The fact is that he was LATE in filing what he filed, that DID NOT stand a court of law. IN fact, I have read the TRIFE decision... and unlike BUsh V Gore, where for the most part they INVENTED law, in this case the Trife did not

Fact is, the Mexican Press, left, right and center ASKED for election nullification if enough irregularities ON EITHER OR BOTH sides were found... the TRIFE did not find enough irregularities to throw it out. In fact I wish they had nullified the election, even if that led to an Interim President and elections to be held in two years. It would be far less damaging to the country and its institutions, PERIOD, than what Lopez Obrador is doing

Obrador is NO FRIEND of the left, and the PRD< which was founded by Cardenas, is finding out why the PRI had a less than amicable divorce with AMLO. That is the fact.

As to Calderon, he is no saint either, he is a social conservative best case (using American terms) or a theo conservative, worst case. But the fact is that he IS a mexican conservative and using American terms does not fit truly either. Learn to understand societies within their own context. That said I am not saying Caldoeron is going to be better, far from it, but you know what? He won, barely, fair and square

Edit spelling add either or BOTH
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:08 PM
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12. "There are ayatollahs on BOTH the Right AND the Left."
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 03:14 PM by UTUSN
Who said that? My arch pick-upon, Tweety. Quoting him in agreement on this is probably the ONLY positive thing I have ever said about him.

I agree with nadinbrzezinski. As I said a month or two ago, I have contacts in Mexico. They are uniformly PAN, speak of the corruption of the old PRI and of their fear of AMLO. They are not rich. They are what would pass for the small slice of "middle class" and are afraid that victory for AMLO would mean losing what little they have scraped up for themselves, that whatever economic pinch to come will be from THEIR pockets, not from the Super Rich who won't feel a thing.

So, the first re-post below is mine. The second is something I hope is also "reality based" as opposed to pie-in-the-sky, purist-Green/type "idealism".

And to clarify, I do not impute violence EITHER to the PRD or the PAN, but to the government's military. And our purists here hoping for a confrontation sound like Shrub: We-want-Mexico(substitute "Iraq")-to-stand-up-for-democracy. AND: Better-to-stand-up-for-it-OVER-THERE-than-HERE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2483180
45. I agree that any blood shed will be on AMLO's hands
While a very vocal bloc here at DU roots for the Mexicans to protest vigorously the interpretation of the voting results, based on our own frustration over 2000 and 2004, two things:

1) GORE and KERRY are not the first to have experienced stolen elections here and NOT to have blown up the country in protest. Even Tricky Dick thought that the good-of-the-country would have been jeopardized by his contesting 1960.

2) Unfortunately, in Mexico the protest will likely be so vigorous that Mexican blood will be spilled. That is, the poorest people will suffer most of all---again.

It is too facile for those here who are cheering on the confrontation over there. It smacks of the eternal one-U.S.-life-is-worth-THOUSANDS-of-foreigners.

When the blood flows over there, there will be crocodile tears flowing here. My tears will be real.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
ConservativeDemocrat (669 posts)

55. I don't think it'll be as bad as that...
Obrador will whine for a while longer, stage a few protests, and continue to alienate all but his most hardcore supporters. (This is already happening in Mexico D.F., where people are getting tired of having their already-bad commutes turned into absolute nightmares.)

Eventually, a super-majority of Mexicans will come to the position of the European Union election monitors, who stated that there were no irregularities in the election that could have affected the transparency of the results, and the whole thing will blow over.

Hopefully Calderon will continue to make overtures to disappointed PRDistas, and as a result, have a successful Presidency by following a middle-road.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:01 PM
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16. When I was down there for a family funeral
I got to speak to an impressive slice of the society. They ranged from the Upper crust Jewish Community who fear Calderon for his membership, among other places, with the Opus Dei, but still voted for him due to fear of Obrador... because the PRI candidate was worthless (Madrazo)... to the really poor, falling in the category of the working poor. Some of them actually voted for AMLO and now regretted it, for what he was DOING, and told me in no uncertain terms that they would never again vote for him... and some that they would go back and vote for the PRI.

Yep, that was the slice. I also talked to supporters of Manuelito... and took the whole exercise as the outsider taking notes. Then I sank myself into the Mexican Press, left, right and center, and then interviews done with both candidates. Calderon has hints of that Authoritarian personality, but Obrador has a history of it... that is the minor, if significant difference.


Now watch, again I will be told that I am full of it... The American left, just as the American right has a certain cult of personality aspect to it... and it tends to put folks on pedestals who do NOT belong there... at all... I fear Obrador is one of them
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smomfr Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:43 PM
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18. Nadinbrzezinski your posts are a breath of fresh air........
I´ve been living in Mexico since 1982. While I can´t be involved in politics here (not a citizen) I do follow elections. Most of Obrador´s claims of election fraud appear to be fradulent themselves. One was a video of what he claimed to be stuffing ballots into the presidential box (there were three boxes - president, senator and deputy). What happened was some people put their ballots in the wrong box (unfortunatly some Mexicans don´t read). The man doing the ¨stuffing¨ was correcting this in front of witnesses and a video camara, real sneaky right? The man along with other poll workers were on TV the next day explaining this. Never heard another word from Obrador about it. You people in the states wish you had an election commision like they have here in Mexico. Another claim of Obrador´s was the poll observers were paid off. At every poll there was a representative from each party to watch for cheating. So in effect Obrador called people in his own party corrupt. His answer to the international observers calling it a clean election was ¨they observed but they didn´t see´. WTF does that mean? In my opinion since losing a close, fair and legal election Obrador has been blowing a lot of smoke up a lot of people´s asses. One other thing there were two presidential debates prior to the election. Obrador being out in front in the polls chose not to show up for the first one. The next poll taken he dropped 10 points. If the arrogant asshole would have went to the first debate he would be the next president of Mexico.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:53 PM
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21. My parents live down there and
in the beginning I was also taken by the Lopez Obrador is our man... then I decided to do the responsible thing and actually do some research. What I found was not pleasant... and I am not foolish enough to put a man (due to supposed ideology) on a pedestal. I also grew up down there, and have seen my fair share of corrupt politicos.

Now, today before I took my parents to the airport, I was talking with my mom... and she put it this way... why did they vote for Calderon? No, not because he is a saint... far from it... they made the same faustian choice many of us are forced to make in the US... vote for the one that you hope will do the least amount of damage.

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eccles12 Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:16 PM
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10. It's the same all over the Americas and EU and Asia nt
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smomfr Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:45 PM
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19. The native americans...........
are saying it´s time for what goes around to come around also.
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