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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:20 PM
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All the Malloy threads here have taught me something
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 09:21 PM by alcibiades_mystery
How utterly inconsequential most of the postings on this board are. All heat and no light. Rantings over minor events as if they are the end of the world. Useless stupidities dressed up as profundities. What a laughable little disgrace this whole pseudo-controversy is. I have more respect for the people that agitated for the return of the original Becky on Rosanne.

One radio guy that's listened to by a very small segment of rabid fans got fired. So. Fucking. What?

Get a hold of yourselves.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:21 PM
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1. Can You Say Heaven's Gate? LOL
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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2. This particular thread taught me something too.
a) I obviously missed something today

b) A poster I usually enjoy is obviously fed up and it is showing.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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3. If you're one of his fans you're pissed. nt
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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4. Smoochies
You just added a lot!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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5. laughable little disgrace
FOR SHAME!!!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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6. Do you do funerals, too?
:shrug:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:00 PM
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89. Yes, and the 10 o'clock show is always different than the 8 o'clock show
;-)
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:22 PM
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7. Greatest. Response. Ever.
Thank you.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:23 PM
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8. Thank you.
And I hope your flameproof suit is on tight.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:23 PM
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9. Funny, I've learned something also. If you're not interested, don't
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 09:33 PM by babylonsister
post.
I'm not a Malloy fan as I never listened, so I don't post, BUT. A voice of reason is hard to find nowadays. When people have found one, and it's taken away, they're pissed. I don't blame them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:24 PM
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11. That is ugly to say. And rude.
And sad you would hurt people that way who are already hurting. That is something that happens too often at this board.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:24 PM
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13. I alerted on this piece of trash flamebait. n/t
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:25 PM
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16. Before the reply even!! k & a
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:51 PM
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64. Nope
Nice picture though.
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:24 PM
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14. Mike is like part of my family. When people are deeply affected
by a situation, you are wrong to ridicule us. There's not point in trying to reason with someone with your attitude except to say that I feel sorry for the people in your life that count on you for moral support.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:25 PM
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15. something is happening here..
... but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. OP?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:37 PM
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39. He or she is fucking clueless!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:58 PM
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83. Haaarumph
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:25 PM
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17. So. Fucking. What?
A rare on-air voice that spoke truth to power is off the air and you say "So. Fucking. What?"?


:wtf:


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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:25 PM
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18. Some of it is worry about AAR going under.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:26 PM
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:27 PM
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22. Breathe.
It's ok. Go take some ibuprofen and lie down. It will all be ok in the morning. It't not the end of the fucking world.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:44 PM
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50. I find it incredibly ironic that you have a Rush picture in your sig
And yet you dont give a shit when the total polar opposite of Rush is taken off the air???

:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:26 PM
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:27 PM
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21. "How utterly inconsequential most of the postings on this board are."
:popcorn:
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:28 PM
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23. The guy who got fired is a personal friend of mine and a colleague
Is it ok if I am pissed and say so?
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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25. Fired?
He still has a show and affiliates. Mike is just at status quo ante AAR.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:33 PM
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32. And who might those affiliates be? n/t
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wherewingstakedream Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:37 PM
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40. Wrong!
Thom Hartmann and Jerry Springer have affiliates that are independent of Air America. Mike now has no show and no affiliates.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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26. Guy James!! Thanks for standing with Malloy!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:32 PM
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29. Hey guy!
:hi:

You, Mike, and a few others are the true progressive voices I listen to on the radio.

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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:36 PM
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38. The Liberal Radio medium is tremendously outnumbered
by the Right. We lose one of the very BEST and this guy thinks its peachy keen? Mike Malloy can't be replaced with any 5 other guys. "And the horse you rode in on" pal!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:48 PM
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57. The whole team he road in on. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:48 PM
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56. Yes, it is. Let me join you.
The management at AAR fucked up ROYALLY today and it's going to be a LONG TIME before I tune in again.

This is no friggin way to treat Mike Malloy. Shame on you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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24. Way to disrespect a valuable member of the progressive community.
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:47 PM
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55. and
a real friend and supporter of DU. I found DU from Mike mentioning it on air.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:50 PM
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62. Welcome to DU.
:)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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28. Historically, little events have often had profund consequences.
Think of the little guy facing the tank in Tianamen Square.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:45 PM
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51. facing that tank... so true, so true.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:32 PM
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30. Wow... The Great And Powerful A_Mystery Has Spoken !!!
And please, A_Mystery, pray tell us how YOU help the cause when not hovering over your keyboard.

I'm pretty sure Malloy has done a whole lot more than you, but maybe you've done so much more than the rest of us.

Please, do tell...

:evilfrown:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:35 PM
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37. He's busy washing the petroleum jelly off his hands.
He'll be back in a moment to answer your post.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:38 PM
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43. lol! n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:39 PM
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44. ROFLMAO !!! - Love Ya Swampy !!!
:yourock:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:44 PM
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49. Perfect explanation!
:yourock:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:49 PM
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59. LOL!!! YAY!!! ROFL!!!
Oh, wait....

;-)
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:51 PM
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66. darn those new fangled keyboard protectors!!!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:52 PM
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71. Indeed
Stickiness is a plus...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:53 PM
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74. Did you remember to bring a fresh towel for Ann Coulter?
Don't forget to clean off Annie! :D



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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:58 PM
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85. Ugh...Paris Hitler
What a skeez.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:32 PM
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:34 PM
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33. yours just one more ...
"How utterly inconsequential most of the postings on this board are."


i don't recall sitting up late at nite glued to the am station replaying your words.
dp
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:35 PM
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34. If your brilliant coworker got fired because he was "different"
would you also say "so fucking what?"

Mike wasn't even allowed to say goodbye to his fans, they just threw him out onto the hypothetical sidewalk and are apparently not letting Peter Werbe even mention it. It's fucking bullcrap.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:35 PM
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35. It taught me that it was probably a very stupid move to fire Malloy.
You just don't get rid of people who have listeners as loyal as this.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:38 PM
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42. Exactly!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:50 PM
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60. "It taught me that it was probably a very stupid move to fire Malloy."
YUP...

I tolerate SPringer & Franken, because they bring in the noobies. When the noobs grow up, they need some real truth to power, and thats where Randi, Mike & Hartman come in.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:35 PM
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36. Right On, am /eom
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:38 PM
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41. I K&R'ed this, and I'll tell you why
I'm not appalled by your post. I see what you're getting at.

However, I am appalled at many of the responses here. Just disgusting. It's been a long time since I've seen so much hate and negativity. Just appalling.

Sure, your post was a little bit mean. But I'm sure you mean well.

By the way, I don't care about the original Becky. But why did they have to replace Darren on "Bewitched"?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:40 PM
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45. Nothing like kicking a man when he's down, eh?
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 09:45 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
Typical DLC supporter snarky behavior! :puke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:49 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:40 PM
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:43 PM
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47. please review the right wing dominance of Radio in the past 30 years
And try to understand why AAR and all the left wing radio guys are extremely important to try and turn the tide.

Or would you rather just left Rush and Rush-lite continue to dominate???

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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:43 PM
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48. As long as we're counting "inconsequential posts"
You have 6899 of them.

That them there is one hell of a lot of inconsequence, yessem.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:50 PM
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61. and the op pulled a drive by on this one it seems
187 on a flamebait post!! :bounce:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:57 PM
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80. I have several responses on this thread
Not sure how I'm suppopsed to respond to "Go cheney yourself" and other nonsenses of that variety, so I didn't. But it's far from a drive-by.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:46 PM
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52. That seems a very "high horse" statement....when there are so many
devoted Malloy fans here. Why not give Malloy fans a break that their anger is justified before proclaiming yourself as the judge and jury over what is important to post on DU. :-(
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:47 PM
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54. The shit must be stirred
apparently... :shrug: poor shruggie.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:46 PM
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53. Why stay--if we're so petty?
Get lost and cheneyed!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:51 PM
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65. For the witty banter
:rofl:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:50 PM
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63. Well why are you here then?
If I thought most of the posts on DU are utterly inconsequential I would go elsewhere. What an insulting post to all DU members. I suspect the Malloy thing had nothing to do with your post---it was an opening and you took it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:52 PM
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68. Hmmm, suspicious
:eyes:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:53 PM
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76. For quite a while actually
Now I'm sure.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:55 PM
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78. But not brave enough to make any accusations
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 09:56 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Just the usual implications and cowardly innuendo. Real stand up guy, king. At least I say what I'm thinking. You just sneak around trying to skirt the rules with mealy-mouthed innuendo. :eyes:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:03 PM
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Well golly shucks then
If you don't like DU posts why don't you leave? I think I implied that question originally, but you chose not to answer.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:03 PM
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97. To much fun
Like you. You're a fun guy.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:51 PM
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67. What it teaches me
Is that we are always empowering each other and telling each other to write LTTE, call our Congressment, Buy Blue, etc.
In essence, to put our money where our mouth is.
How is this different?
Activism is activism.
Keeping true progressive voices on the air is activism.
Replacing them with milquetoast DLC serves no purpose for the true progressive cause.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:52 PM
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69. you have a distorted view of what we're doing here
this is a discussion board. discussions take place here. get a hold of your own self.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:52 PM
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70. finding it hard to understand how
you decided YOU whining would solve your problem with other people whining?

silly hypocrit, practice what you preach, tee hee
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:54 PM
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77. I didn't think it would solve the problem
So much as put the spotlight on it. :rofl:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:53 PM
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72. oh no you didn't

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:53 PM
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75. You know how we do...
;-)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:56 PM
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79. You think this is funny tonight?
I don't.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:57 PM
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81. And that's why you needs ta chill
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:01 PM
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92. I don't insult good people. I never have. 13 recommends for being rude?
What is going on that this post is getting recommends and laughter.

I don't listen to Mike often, but I feel just as sad as the ones who did.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:02 PM
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93. No, she doesn't. She's madfloridian.
And I happen to be one pissed off floridian myself.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:57 PM
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82. It taught me why I used to have you on ignore
:yourock: (not)
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:59 PM
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86. Glad to have you back then
:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:01 PM
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:03 PM
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It's good to be here
I just flew in from St. Petersburg, and boy....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:58 PM
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84. Man what was that I just felt....
Oh yeah...a breath of fresh air!!!

A little pocket of sanity!


Now the Becky thing....that WAS important!!!


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:01 PM
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90. The second Becky wasn't nearly as good as the first...that's when I quit
watching.

:evilgrin:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:59 PM
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87. It is amazing this got 11 recommends and is on the greatest page.
And so many decent posts go begging.

It is not a funny post at all. It is like laughing at good people who care about something.

And anyone who laughs with you has lost my respect.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:00 PM
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88. LET'S BURN THE PLACE DOWN!!
Sarcasm- of course. Hi, Agent Mike!

This "Let's destroy AAR" idea is probably the stupidest, most short-sighted political call I've ever heard on DU.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:02 PM
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94. Dude, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
I don't like Ann Coulter posts, so I don't read them. I wouldn't presume to tell those who read and post in them that their concerns are worthless and a waste of time. A tad bit sanctimonious, aren't we?
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:03 PM
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95. Wow. What a consequential posting...
I'm glad that you've come to this epiphany about DU and DU'ers. Well, it's pretty obvious that there's no point in your wasting any more time here.

Godspeed, alcibiades_mystery. Don't let the door hit your sanctimonious ass on the way out.

We'll miss you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:03 PM
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96. It is unreal to me that this post is still going strong and 15 recommends.
I know some places that can't be named who are laughing their fool heads off over this thread....

Speaks to the character of someone who would post such rudeness and those who would laugh.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:04 PM
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98. Locked.
Way too much vitriol here to call it a discussion.
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