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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:56 PM
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"Considering Homeschooling" says HECK NO, OUR KIDS WON'T GO!!!
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 06:57 PM by Bluebear
(After all the fearmongering, the use of the innocent "heck" in the familiar protest phrase is particularly precious.)

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Considering Homeschooling: 'Heck No, Our Kids Won't Go!'

Considering Homeschooling urges Christian parents in California to leave the public school system en masse.


Contact: Charles B. Lowers, Considering Homeschooling, 949-916-6816, info@consideringhomeschooling.com

MEDIA ADVISORY, Aug. 30 /Christian Newswire/ -- Considering Homeschooling (www.consideringhomeschooling.com) a national homeschool recruitment group, is urging California Christian parents to NOT send their children back to school, as a protest against the homosexual bills passed by the California Legislature.

"'Heck no, our kids won't go!' should be the rallying cry of Christian parents this week as school starts, instead of following the broad road of perversion and destruction that California schools are offering," said Charles B. Lowers, Executive Director of Considering Homeschooling.

While Lowers encourages Christians in the Golden State to contact their representatives and Governor Schwarzenegger regarding the bills, Lowers said, "This should be the last straw for Christian parents. It is estimated that anywhere from 80-90% of Christians are still sending their children off to government schools -- it's like the church is behaving like a bunch of lemmings." :crazy:

"Worldview surveys show that the majority of kids from Christian homes are humanists by graduation. School-based "clinics" are expanding (AB 2560) to ensure that your daughters get birth control and abortions without you knowing. Now that the homosexuals are dictating curriculum, 80-90% of Christians should be homeschooling, not the other way around!"

"Instead of the traditional 3 R's in California's public schools, children are learning Rebelliousness, Relativism, and an R-rated lifestyle. :rofl: Christian parents have been misguided in thinking their children can be 'salt and light' in the public schools when in fact, the opposite has occurred. Public school is no place for innocent little kids.:scared: If they don't get molested by the John Karr's who are in the system, their minds and hearts will be molested by the curriculum."

Considering Homeschooling, a group that Lowers and his wife started in 2001 to reach Christian parents, not only encourages Christian to homeschool; it also guides others nationwide in starting homeschool evangelism groups. The national outreach, which has always been a project of the original Considering Homeschooling flagship group, is based in Southern California, and may be the largest homeschool recruitment group in the country.

Our representatives are articulate advocates of stay-home motherhood and homeschooling and have experience with radio and print interviews.

Contact: Charles B. Lowers
Telephone: 949-916-6816
Email: info@consideringhomeschooling.com
Website: www.consideringhomeschooling.com


http://www.earnedmedia.org/ch0830.htm
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:58 PM
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1. Shouldn't there be a fourth R?
Republicanism?

:puke:
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:51 PM
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35. I wonder if those fools realize
That only one of those original "Three R's" actually starts with the letter "R"??
Morans!!!!
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:00 PM
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2. Yes, Don't Expose Your Kids
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 07:01 PM by Anakin Skywalker
to the disease of REASONING. Keep 'em youngins at home, preferably in de closets!

If their minds expand too much from being exposed to different and *gasp* even contradictory ideas, they might explode! :O
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:02 PM
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3. I'm a SAHM, and I refuse to homeschool.
It wouldn't work with my kids. They won't learn from me, and I guess that's for the best, since I was trained to teach high school and know very little of how to teach K-6.

I think that homeschoolers who do well would probably do well wherever they go. Many don't, however, and some of them ended up in my family (in-laws) and in my classroom when I taught. Heck, I had a roomie in college who'd been homeschooled, and she was a mess. Her family was borderline anyway, but she was woefully unprepared for college in any of the sciences or math. So much for a rounded education. :eyes:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:59 PM
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23. There is alot of anecdotes both ways.
I know some one who was home schooled, scored VERY HIGH o the SAT and got a full ride to Swarthmore. One of the hardest schools in the country to get into.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:47 PM
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33. That's a kid who would do really well mostly wherever.
The homeschooled kids at our college (evangelical Christian college) were either really well prepared and almost bored at college, but more were not prepared in at least one subject but would go on and on at length about how much better homeschooling was.

My MIL homeschooled her two youngest for a couple of years, and I found it frightening what they didn't know. That was after years at a private Baptist school that apparently didn't teach them much, either. I think that unschooling would've worked with the youngest, but the older one really needed the structure of school.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:34 PM
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32. and some of them end up
falling thru the cracks. a friend of my son (hs junior) has opted to homeschool this year, but i have a bad feeling about it. the kid, a star athlete, wasn't making passing grades last year, so he wasn't going to be able to play football this fall. his mother is having him homeschooled now. i feel that he will end up dropping out of school and getting in trouble because he really has no ambition (i've talked to him) and is definitely not college material.

not that homeschoolin is inherently bad, but it just doesn't work for all kids.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:51 PM
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34. Hmm. I wonder when he lost his curiosity.
I've often wondered if that loss is what feeds the boredom and lower grades. I had fun teaching and ribbing my football players. I went to their games and yelled things like, "Think!!" or "Play smart!!" Then, on Monday, I'd ask if I had to have quizzes on the playbook. :evilgrin: Yes, I could be evil. ;)

There are ways to get through to him, but it won't be workbooks and studying on his own. Football players tend to be people people--they feed off of other people's energy. Can he get with other homeschoolers?
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:03 PM
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4. By all means, stay the fuck home, booboo. n/t
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:03 PM
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5. Rated-R? Come On, Fogeys!
That's pretty tame these days. Try X-Rated, OK?
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:04 PM
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6. Wonder if they forgot about the priest child molesters?
It's news to me that girls get abortions at school clinics. Perhaps their PARENTS didn't teach them about the birds and bees.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:05 PM
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7. Public schools are like public transport
They are "Great, good, public spaces".

If you eliminate public schools, public transport, public libraries and other places where all classes of people meet, the chances of the fragmentation of society increases.

Unless there are extraordinary circumstances for "home schooling", public education should be the norm. I don't believe that there should be competing school systems. No private schools allowed.

I'll now put on my asbestos suit and go to my Pilates class.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:15 PM
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9. I don't disagree, but you can't stop people from
educating their children the way they want to. I put my foot down though at funding private school out of public school funds. Everyone has to pay their share of the burden and in exchange their children get a public school to attend. If they want to pay for private school in addition, that's up to them.

I think home schooling should be strictly regulated, meaning if their isn't a qualified teacher among the relatives to teach the children then they'd better hire a governess with teacher's credentials and they'd better follow a curriculum approved by the board of education.

This should put a stop to poorly prepared children educated by idiots who have no business doing so.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:19 PM
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25. I have no problem with people educating their kids
the way they want to. And I agree with you about funding private schools out of public funds. However, if they want them to have religious schooling, then they do it on their own time. Catechism, the Torah, the Koran, the Beatitudes: outside of school hours.

I do think that public education should not be degraded. One of the ways that it is degraded is through sectarian schools and home schooling. If every child was obliged to attend public school, as opposed to the splintering of education that now exists, then there would be far less splintering of society.

I'm also a believer in a core curriculum, which probably puts me at odds with a great many people here.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:12 PM
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8. I always want to ask if they intend on home doctoring too
For the life of me, I have never understood why parents think that just anyone (including an untrained parent) can teach their kids. It isn't rocket science, but it is a highly skilled profession. I know ONE parent who managed homeschooling and did it well. ONE.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:17 PM
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10. Some religious wackos do.
Fortunately, saner minds can usually, legally intervene before a tragedy or death happens.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:22 PM
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12. I think it is a tragedy to deprive kids of a quality education
Go figure. :)
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:18 PM
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11. Has there ever been any independent research on home-schooled
kids versus public schooled kids? I am just curious.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:34 PM
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14. I don't have any at my fingertips, but I do recall reading articles
in the past as to how they differ, both good and bad, from classroom educated kids. Probably some googling could bring some studies up.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:39 PM
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15. Here's some info...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:25 PM
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13. notice they try speaking for all christians.
and the keep it that ''war on chrstians'' vein: "This should be the last straw for Christian parents. It is estimated that anywhere from 80-90% of Christians are still sending their children off to government schools -- it's like the church is behaving like a bunch of lemmings."

the republick party is really going to lean on this ''persecuted christian'' message between here and 08.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:48 PM
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19. Yep it is about money on one side and ralllying the base on the other
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:42 PM
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16. From what I have seen......
my Friends at Church who are homeschooling are raising socially retarded kids, one couple's three boys are so fricking shy you can't get a word out of them. They are now going to public school, but are behind in all phases. My other Friend has messed up his daughter's High School so bad, that she is in real trouble....far behind all of her classmates; he takes her to work for the schooling. I have to say it isn't working for these folks.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:47 PM
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18. I have heard that from colleagues who
have taught home schooled children. If done properly homeschooling seems to at the very least boost test scores. Still the child is reliant on one sole person to teach them for a large portion of their academic career. In my time at school I had good teachers and bad teachers but I enjoyed the different experiences that I got from each teacher. Ultimately though, if it is a necessity for the parent to keep religion a part of their lives then I can't blame necessarily for wanting to home school.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:30 AM
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27. My homeschooled niece ended up pregnant at 15 and in meth rehab at 17
My sister is now raising the baby. Wonder if she'll homeschool her, too? :eyes:

I'm sure it works for some people, but I haven't met them.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:44 PM
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17. Like I have said. It is all about making money.
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 07:46 PM by Perky
This guy is shameless

As a Christian and a democrarat I have real problems with the homeschoolong m,ovement. Most;y because while I think public schools do a poor job. Homeschooling is ypically based on inordinate fear and while it can be succesful alot of time the parents are in it more to make a statement then they are prepared for the demands of homeschooling.


I think it is wrongly headed and bad theology. I want my kids to grow up to stand strong in their faith (once they are able to choose that for themeselves) and I want them to love those who do not believe as they do...Public Schools are still generally lousy...but I doubt seriously that as parent we could devote anything close to the time necessary.

On edit: and besides there is way I could teach my kids typing.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:50 PM
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20. good. And I hope they teach their kids that God created everything
and all feats of science are done by God and Jesus.

That why, when their kids get out in the actual world, they will get run over.

Unless, of course, they go to a Christian diploma mill.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:53 PM
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21. Isn't it UNCREDITED Christian diploma mill?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:56 PM
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22. well, some employers will accept it, becaue they too are Christian
but, yeah, for the most part, you're right.


"What was your major"

"Christian studies. I specialized in the oppression of Christianity in the United States, and the evils of secularism"

"Get out"
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:27 PM
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24. They will be able to work anywhere that has the little fishy on the door.
Transcripts be damned.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:32 AM
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28. It will be more like:
Don't call us, we'll call you.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:24 AM
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26. Not to say there aren't molesters like Karr in public schools:
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 02:31 AM by bumblebee1
I wonder if Mr Lowers ever heard of child molesters living in the home with the children. Some of the molesters and child abusers even live in *gasp* "good" Christian homes and attend church weekly. After reading the OP, Mr Lowers is encouraging knee jerk homeschooling than the parents really thinking it out carefully.

I see plenty of abuse of homeschooling. Think of what a child abusing parent can get away with while claiming to homeschool their children. Kids can skip school and when they're caught somewhere during school hours by the police, they can easily claim to be homeschooled. How are the police going to know one way or another?

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:57 AM
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29. The kids have my sympathy. n/t
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:19 PM
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30. Actually, I kinda encourage this too
I think EVERY hardcore fundamentalist family should be required to homeschool, or to send their children to Christian schools. Without exception.

I also think that every state should have a law requiring all members of the school board to have educated any children they have or had (this means you don't get kicked off the school board when your youngest graduates from high school) in the public schools.

This gives two good results: it keeps the fundies from screaming when the Baby Jesus isn't the focus of the public schools, and it keeps these assholes from putting their children into the kind of school they like and then doing their best to fuck up everyone else's.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:23 PM
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31. it is an interesting conundrum
what DO you do if the public schools in your area are teaching something that is completely contrary to your belief system?

Say fundies do take over your school board and begin teaching (proselytizing) an extremist Christian view...

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