I think the Global Warming liars have won.

[Harper_is_Bush]

They just kept putting out the disinformation, funding their "experts" and PR pseudo/retired scientists, and attacking all the truth tellers.

The result?

Few care anymore. It's an ongoing debate in the mind of the public. Denial is the flavor du jour.

I check DU regularly and there's little concern for Global Warming. This should be the well-spring of action. Dem leaders should be pushed to act on the issue, but I sense they're not.

I guess I'm just a wacko alarmist, but all I can say is God help us all. I pity the young.


edit: capitalize Global Warming. The thing that will destroy so much deserves proper noun status.

[skids]

1. Uhm. You must not "check DU" very thoroughly.

I mean, there's a post from the Environment and Energy forum among the top ten greatest ranked posts right now. LBN always has warming news and of course E/E is mostly discussion about global warming and energy options. And GD has a fair number of posts as well.

What DU are you reading?

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. The Environment and Energy forum?

With all due respect to you and that particular forum, if an issue is important at DU it appears on GD, and Global Warming rarely does. Fair number my ass.

It makes LBN, certainly. Why isn't all this LBN about Global Warming causing more of a stir elsewhere? Because the liars have done the swiftboating with little opposition.

[Viking12]

7. Sorry skids....

A few assholes have made the E&E forum devoid of relevance in any worthwhile discussion of legitimate policy to address climate change.

[skids]

10. And this supposedly "devoid of relevance" forum...

...gets 51 votes on a thread plus 1 to 3 greatest threads each day exactly how then?

People read E/E. Not everybody gets scared away by the mere presence of a couple of zealots.

[Viking12]

12. Bandwagon.

Numbers don't prove "worthwhile".

I know your intentions are good & I appreciate your input (along w/ others including jpak, bananas, etc.), but you can't honestly say that anything of value is accomplished given the juvenile rants that have overtaken the forum.

[skids]

15. Oh, yes, and GD is so devoid of juvenile rants.

I get something out of E/E. Anyone who reads it will, unless they decide the juvenile rants are too scary and go run and hide, that is.

(Yes, I am goading you.)

[Viking12]

16. Scary is not the word.

Boring. I listen to my pre-schoolers argue in the sandbox daily, I don't need to read NNutcases that sound like 3 year-olds too.

[skids]

17. Then post a lot, and skip the parts you don't care to read.

Those two can only type so fast.

[Viking12]

18. I like your style...

:toast:

Time for bed. See y' round.

[Egalitariat]

2. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot

The last two years we've trumpeted the overactive Hurricane Seasons as living proof. Al Gore's movie poster prominently included a hurricane in the photo to build on that momentum, and was even released to coincide with the beginning of hurricane season.

Now we've got the first "hurricane" of an uneventful hurricane season coming ashore in S. Florida, and the thing looks as if it won't even blow down a half full porta-potty.

After all we'd built up so much about "hurricanes as proof", the lack of hurricanes this season can and will be used way too effectively against the movement.

[skids]

6. And we're already up to "J" in the pacific.

...and China took a massive hit. And we had record heat waves (which incidentally, are the reason for low hurricanes because the circulation they cause creates wind shear.)

I don't think there's any credibility damage to be had there, really, and in fact expect the rest of the season to be quite active. There are already two waves looking like hurricane material over the central atlantic.

[Name removed]

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[skids]

20. Think of it this way.

Hurricane season is basically an odd (transitional) season, like spring or fall. More like fall. It requires high sea surface temperatures but low wind shear.

Globe warms. Spring comes earlier. Fall comes later. Winter shrinks. Hurricane season does the same as Fall -- moves later into the year, doesn't neccessarily shrink.

We'll be seeing more of this, is my guess:

http://skeetobiteweather.com/createstorm.asp?stormnum=1355&year=2005

Now onto the idea of "lets be scientific about this." We are. The science is out there drawing the link. Look it up.

FWIW, what we have is a situation where some years weather patterns will conspire to bring on the high heat and circulation from land (la Nina), reducing the probability of early-season "rocket fueled" hurricanes. On other years, weather will favor less heat and low sheer, and we get pounded. In either case we get pounded later into the year in the late season, and in either case the intensities of the storms is greater, if not every year the number of storms.

That is, a least until the thermohaline circulation shuts down, at which point all bets are off.

Anyway, it's an academic argument that may not be resolved before all the qualified climatologists die of starvation from ocean acidification killing off the food chain.

[blue cat]

3. You must be kidding

It's my biggest concern and we always have stories on here about GW. We could always have more. Please help us by posting more diaries about it.

[Harper_is_Bush]

5. I'm glad it's your biggest concern.

I wasn't speaking of you personally. I seldom see stories on GW, and I've posted more about Global Warming that's sunk than I care to recount.

[Viking12]

8. I think the problem is one of attention, not caring

Climate change doesn't make big headlines; there just aren't dramatic events that capture people's attention. Sure there are occasionally scientific reports that create a stir, but frankly until a clear warming signal starts influencing the day-to-day lives of people, I wouldn't get your hopes for action too high.

[yorkiemommie1]

9. i'm hearing it in conversations i have w/ people

it's sinking in w/ them.

[Devlzown]

11. What Global Warming?

I read that Michael Crichton book and that Global Warming stuff is just a bunch of hooey cooked up by New Age movie stars.:sarcasm:

[Elwood P Dowd]

13. You is right

Bush knows all about global warming. He was one.

:beer:

[Renew Deal]

14. A global warming post is the 4th highest on the greatest page.

Another post has 7 votes. Then there's another one about wind energy. There's also a story with 10 votes about Gore saving the world. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x231619

So I don't see what you're saying.