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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:06 PM
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Thomas Jefferson was a Christian....NOT Website
I think this is a great website to help when the Christian Taliban say TJ was a Christian.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

It spite of Christian right attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.

Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time). With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion. He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus.

Distortions of history occur in the minds of many Christians whenever they see the word "God" embossed in statue or memorial concrete. For example, those who visit the Jefferson Memorial in Washington will read Jefferson's words engraved: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man." When they see the word "God" many Christians see this as "proof" of his Christianity without thinking that "God" can have many definitions ranging from nature to supernatural. Yet how many of them realize that this passage aimed at attacking the tyranny of the Christian clergy of Philadelphia, or that Jefferson's God was not the personal god of Christianity? Those memorial words came from a letter written to Benjamin Rush in 1800 in response to Rush's warning about the Philadelphia clergy attacking Jefferson (Jefferson was seen as an infidel by his enemies during his election for President). The complete statement reads as follows:

"The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, & they believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: & enough too in their opinion, & this is the cause of their printing lying pamphlets against me. . ."

Jefferson aimed at laissez-faire liberalism in the name of individual freedom, He felt that any form of government control, not only of religion, but of individual mercantilism consisted of tyranny. He thought that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.

If anything can clear of the misconceptions of Jeffersonian history, it can come best from the author himself. Although Jefferson had a complex view of religion, too vast for this presentation, the following quotes provide a glimpse of how Thomas Jefferson viewed the corruptions of Christianity and religion.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:15 PM
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1. So much history has been re-written in the last 6 years
Do they really think it is going to change history? Maybe it will make them feel better for a while, but the truth can be a haunting thing when it is twisted.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:16 PM
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2. Jefferson was a Deist.
No Christian, he.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:19 PM
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3. Maybe if more of them had stayed awake in history class...
they would know that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:20 PM
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4. Well, he screwed around like a bunch of today's
Repugniconvicts ...
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:21 PM
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5. Quick question
was he nominally a Christian?
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:11 AM
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9. No he was a deist, like most of the founding fathers with some
exceptions.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:14 AM
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11. He was a Deist (some say he was a Unitarian), not a Christian
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 11:17 AM by Selatius
If you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then you wouldn't be considered Christian by very many Protestants or Catholics. He believed in God as the Creator of the universe, but he did not believe in the God found in the Bible, the cruel, rapacious, arbitrary, vengeful God.
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:46 PM
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6. Thanks...
I will forward this link to all my Talibornagain relatives...:evilgrin:
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:12 AM
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10. Do forget to wear your flame retardent suit!
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 11:15 AM by Amy6627
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:53 PM
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7. Jefferson often attended Unitarian services
but never joined the church.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:56 PM
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8. I think people on both sides of the believer/non-believer fence
have found a lot of utility in Thomas Jefferson - that's what comes from having complex beliefs I suppose - people find it easy to simplify 'em down to coincide with their personal prejudices.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:15 AM
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12. so, in a sense, he was the kind of Christain that Christians hate
as in, he believed in the teachings of Christ.

Nothing pisses off Christian fundies more than someone who does that.
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:16 AM
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13. You hit the nail on the head!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:20 AM
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14. Reminds me of this passage from Vonnegut's "Jailbird"
YOUNG PEOPLE STILL REFUSE TO SEE THE OBVIOUS
IMPOSSIBILITY OF WORLD DISARMAMENT AND ECO-
NOMIC EQUALITY. COULD BE FAULT OF NEW
TESTAMENT (QUOD VIDE).

WALTER F. STARBUCK
PRESIDENT'S SPECIAL ADVISOR
ON YOUTH AFFAIRS
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