Bad Polling News on CA Gov-race: Arnold 52% Angelides 38%

[WI_DEM]

somehow Arnold seems to have turned this around in the last year. (Survey USA)

www.dailykos.com

[stepnw1f]

1. Jesus Christ... Come On Cali

We don't need actors as politicians anymore.

[Initech]

14. I know, you think people would have learned their lesson with Reagan

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. This race will boil down to Northern Calfiornia against

central and Southern California again. Northern California and LA do the best job of getting out the Dem votes, so it just depends on who is more motivated to show up to the polls. Statistically Dems are more motivated and I doubt the turnout will be much better than the primaries.

[Phredicles]

3. Is Angelides not campaigning or are the media just not covering him?

I guess that ugly, depressing primary depleted his funds, but still he's been close to invisible this summer.

[WI_DEM]

4. that was one primary which didn't help the party

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. There are few that do. (nt)

[Howardx]

7. thats exactly right

i have seen maybe one commercial FOR angelides

[Crankie Avalon]

5. What movies has Angelides been in? In the movies he WAS in...

...how many "witty" one-liners did he say in a funny accent while killing the bad guys?

All right, then. :crazy:

[jazzjunkysue]

6. He's a damned body-builder, for chrissakes! He's not even an actor!

Proof that humans have not evolved beyond their cousin the chimp.

[jackpan1260]

9. I had a hunch this would happen

Angelides was never polling as strongly against the Gropinator as Westly was. I wish people would have paid more attention to that fact before they nominated Angelides, especially considering how many people didn't know which candidate to support. Regardless, since Angelides is the nominee and I hope he can win.

[blm]

10. Arnold is putting up image as a progressive environmentalist and winning

back moderates with the steps he's taking. He would have done that whether Westly or Angelides was the opponent.

The press he's been getting on it for the last few months has been all positive.

You have no media, even in California, that is willing to detail Arnold's hypocrisy on this issue.

[Zomby Woof]

11. Angelides is running a shit campaign

I knew by the way the primaries were going we were fucked. It's hurt even more with the PR moves by the Gropenator's camp to portray him as a "humbled moderate" in the shadow of last year's humiliating defeat of his ballot initiatives. He's raided a small windfall in the budget to throw a few crumbs at the schools and universities, and has a well-funded ad campaign designed to get the sheep to believe somehow that he is a "reformer with results". The GOP are masters of this slick propaganda, and Angelides has done little or nothing to combat it. He ran tougher against Westly, which is the crux of his failure.

There has been some rumblings in the media about GOP discontent with Der Fuhrer regarding immigration and border security, but come Election Day, they will hold their collective piggie noses and vote the party line.

The amnesiac voters, and the perpetually starstruck, coupled with the co-opted press and weak campaign of Angelides - all seem to point in the direction of a Terminator 2 regime.

[Phredicles]

15. "amnesiac voters" is right.

No one seems to remember the blustering right-wing ideologue Ahhnold showed himself to be leading up to the "special elec tion" in which his initiatives went down in flames. I'm convinced the moderate face he shows when his numbers aren't strong is a facade; the steroid-laced actrion-hero buffoon is the role he's most comfortable with. And that's what we'll see if he's re-elected, I think; why aren't the Democrats making that case?

[obreaslan]

12. Arnold, Ronnie Ray-Gun, Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood...

All actors, all repugs. Why does CA keep falling for these people. Jeeze, it's almost embarrassing to say I was born in CA. :cry:

[Zomby Woof]

13. Eastwood is not a Republican

In an interview which he gave about the time 'Million Dollar Baby' hit the screens, he said, "I have never thought of myself as a conservative. Of course, I am no far leftist either." Puts him in the 'radical middle'. His motivation to run as mayor of Carmel back in the 80's was just to get some red tape cleared on small business development. He was satisfied with his success and has shown no appetite for political office since then. (The mayor's office was non-partisan, by the way)

He is an independent, to be sure.

[saracat]

19. He ran as a Repug.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

16. He has been laying low a bit, IMO, not ruffling feathers

He also just signed a bill to increase $$ to fund conversion of homes to solar energy.
He got good press for that.

And Angelides? I don't watch a lot of live TV, but I haven't seen much of him.

[rustydog]

17. Has anyonechallenging AAHnold brought up his

meetings with Enron Chief Lay during his campaign? What did he promise the convicted criminal who bankrupted lives and businesses?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

18. No, and this is one of the big issues Dems should be pressing...

Arnold does know how to run a good campaign; as others have said in this thread, he's moved just slightly to the middle this year in some areas to get the moderate Dem vote (California is full of those, don't kid yourself. All us lefties live on the coast, the rest of Cal is moderate or even right-leaning Dems who love Arnold, and Republicans.)

But the reality is that as soon as Arnold gets re-elected he will become The Governator again.

AND this will help if a so-called "moderate" Repub like McCain or Guilani gets the GOP nom in 2008.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. I wish I could say that's an unpleasant surprise, but . . .

. . . it's just unpleasant news.

If Arnold was going to go down, he'd have to beat himself. He tried hard and really thought for a while he was toast; but just couldn't quite do himself in.

No one is going to notice Angelides standing next to a movie star. He looks like a chipmunk with five o'clock shadow. Worse, he acts like a politician who just wants higher office.

It is ironic that Arnold's predecessor was recalled not for any serious wrongdoing (no one even accused him of that), but for not dealing effectively with a monumental budget crisis not entirely of his making and spending way too much time fundraising; now Arnold is going to be re-elected in spite of the facts that he has no clue as to how to deal with the same monumental budget crisis (it hasn't gone away) and he spend entirely too much time fundraising.

Go figure.