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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:22 AM
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Red Dawn Redux
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 11:25 AM by Prisoner_Number_Six
"We have met the enemy, and he is us." --Pogo
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I always loathed the movie "Red Dawn". When I could work up the nerve to sit down and watch it, I found no real reason to challenge my instincts. I laughed at the bad acting. I was disgusted by the obvious NRA in-jokes. I thought the plot was ludicrous- going about your daily business one moment, then being fired upon by an invading army the next. Silly story, that! It was the stuff of bad fiction and nothing more.

It turns out I was dead wrong about the plot.

Now, I'm not talking about the silly "Wolverines" nonsense- a group of young teens holding off the Commie invasion and all that crap. No. What I'm talking about is the concept of the out-of-the-blue invasion of a harmless, peaceful country by an overwhelming group of well trained, heavily armed soldiers.

When the movie came out in 1984 we all knew it was fiction. If it had any sort of "message" it was buried deep inside nonsensical bad drama, hidden within the improbability of something like that ever really happening. It was cheap entertainment. It was a couple hours in a cool dark theater with a tub of popcorn in your lap. It was fiction. It was a young Swayze at his cheesiest.

Fast forward to 2006. We woke up one morning to the realization that Red Dawn had actually come true. Not here, perhaps, but in other places you might know of- Afghanistan. Iraq. We hear rumors of other invasions in the works- Iran. Syria. North Korea. Places scattered across the far away deserts have become the focus of sudden, unprovoked invasion and occupation by well trained, heavily armed soldiers. Machine guns and rockets are being used against unarmed civilians. Schools. Places of worship. Convoys of refugees. Wedding celebrations. FUNERALS- all these and more are being indiscrimately attacked daily. Death squads are roaming the cities, killing defenseless women and children. Babies are being blown into tiny chunks of bloody flesh by grinning soldiers. Helpless young women are being gang-raped at gunpoint.

The truly horrible part about this is also the most unbelievable part- all this is being done by us. Red Dawn Redux, sponsored by The United States Of America. A gift from the government of The Land Of The Free. WE have become the unprovoked invaders. WE have become the vicious attackers of civilians. WE have met the enemy, and damn it all to hell, he is US.

Red Dawn is no longer bad fiction. Red Dawn has now become the terrible reality of several nations. And if we are unable to somehow eject the monsters from the helm of the great American war machine, more innocent people are scheduled to die in the next act.

What can we do to stop this madness? How can we reverse the course of such a powerful stream of deliberate death and destruction? How can we possibly rip the enemy from the body of our own nation without destroying ourselves in the process?

I have no great pearls of wisdom to cast before you. I have no well-tailored, one-size-fits-all answers. I don't know if anyone here does. All I do know is we have just a few short weeks left in which to figure things out. You see, it's simple- if the Democrats reach down and discover their balls (sorry, ladies, just consider it a metaphor), we will get our chance to begin the process of making things right. On the other hand, if the ongoing down and dirty Republican psyops program successfully penetrates the American psyche, we will never get another chance. Our nation will be finished as the world's bastion of freedom. Our once-wise government will proceed to Red Dawn nation after nation, and very soon the entire planet will soon be embroiled in World War III.

Let's face it, America. We've sat back and allowed our nation to become nothing more than a bad action-adventure movie. Only this time the Bad Guy is us.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:47 AM
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1. From my perspective, we've been the bad guy as long as I can
remember. Vietnam, Iran, South & Central America. Remind me of when we were the good guys again?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:52 AM
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2. pre-Hearst
and I'm not talking about Patty ...
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:54 AM
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3. late 1950's? Ike warning us about the military-industrial complex?
Was that our chance to turn back from the path we're so far down now?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:04 PM
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4. more like
1898 ... I believe ... the sinking of the Maine ...
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:18 PM
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5. Americans were the bad guys in WWII? The Cold War?
If we were under Soviet occupation now, would the world be a better place?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:17 PM
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22. Cain
That's about as far as you can get ...
:P
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 06:12 PM
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25. Read some history
America came into WWII because it was attacked. People were more worried about getting out of the Great Depression, isolationism was the way of the day. Hardly the red, white and blue superman we're made out to be. Secondly, the USSR clearly did the most damage to the Axis. Stalin was more than happy to use his people as pure cannon foddor, and so was Hitler, it's just that Stalin had more of his people to use (to the tune of 25 million or so, IIRC).

America was A bad guy in the cold war, at the very least. We toppled democratically elected governments and replaced them with dicatatorships for our own base interests. From Guatemala to Chile to Iran to Vietnam, one can see how the US committed wrong after wrong, atrocity after atrocity, injustice after injustice.

"If we were under Soviet occupation now, would the world be a better place?"

What in the world are you trying to say?
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:26 PM
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8. We were the good guys during the 90s in the Balkans
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 12:30 PM by noonwitch
We were the good guys right after the tsunami. Most of our military personnel in Iraq and Afganistan are the good guys, even if our leadership was misguided in sending them there, although I would support the effort in Afganistan more fully if we were actually accomplishing something there, like getting rid of the taliban for good.

The american people are always the good guys, no matter who our leaders are.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 06:18 PM
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26. One thing
"Most of our military personnel in Iraq and Afganistan are the good guys"

What do you mean by this? Look, being part of an unjustified occupation doesn't make someone a "bad guy" in the true sense of the word, but they're still being a part of an unjustified occupation. It's not personal, it's just a fact that they contribute to wrongdoing. I don't question their moral fiber or their intentions or anything like that, I simply see what they are a part of, and it is not pretty.

They may be "good guys", but they aren't "THE good guys" (sometimes they are used for the opposite, actually almost all of the time IMO).
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 02:43 PM
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20. Eh...
...it's easy to bash the stupid mistakes we made in the Cold War; however, we were (in my opinion) clearly the lesser of the two evils then.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:21 PM
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6. Harmless and peaceful nations?
I don't like the war any more than you. Nor do I have any truck with the idea of invading yet another country. But the nations you list are hardly peaceful and harmless. They might be of no threat to the U.S., they might not be currently at war, but Syria's and Iran's (tacit) support of Hizbollah, Afganistan's internal strife, Iraq's...well, at the time we invaded they only appeared to be a threat to themselves.

Should we be at war? I don't think so. But harmless and peaceful?

Now, maybe if we invaded Australia or Luxembourg....
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:04 PM
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11. "They might be of no threat to the U.S.,
they might not be currently at war"

My point exactly. Thank you.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:23 PM
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7. Not sure I'd categorize some of those countries
as peaceful. Not a threat to anything we do over here, outside of consuming oil(although their own economies would be ruined if they did anything there), sure. But I get where you're going.

Although it's not new. Without an offensive war, there never would've been an America to pretend it was the be all-end all of humanity.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:05 PM
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12. "Not a threat to anything we do over here"
Another one of MY points. Thank you.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:26 PM
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9. Um, it was based on the Russian invasion of Afganistan.
Where young teenage boys actually fought back against the well trained and well armed Russian army.

It was thinly veiled reality, with a Hollywood veneer. The place was changed to make it something "Americans" could understand, since so many of them seem to have problems putting themselves in the place of "foreigners."
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:06 PM
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13. Monkey see, monkey do?
:shrug:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:27 PM
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10. I worried about whether this was going to turn out to be a Minuteman
direction: That our "harmless, peaceful country" had been invaded by all those brown-skinned hordes, being fought off by noble Minutemen.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:08 PM
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14. I've been working alongside the brown-skinned hoardes
all my life. In many ways they can be better people than us, one on one.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:25 PM
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16. Good for you. No offense intended to you.
But that theme could easily be adapted by the Minutemanners. As for "In many ways they can be better people than us, one on one" ------unfortunately, I subscribe to the theory that all of us are a mixture of good and evil and are capable of any of it all.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:16 PM
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15. Every Nation State is evil.
The idea is corrupting. It allows the grossest of evils to occur under the banner of "Love of Country", whole groups can be slighted or eliminated.

Examples abound throughout the world.

Some US examples:
Ludlow 1914
Haymarket Square Chicago 1886
The Bonus Army 1932
The Phillipine Insurrection and the Howling Wildness of Luzon 1899-1902
The Dorr "Rebeliion" 1841
Vietnam...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:25 PM
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17. The freight train of fascism has great momentum.
I'm a pessimist in the sense that I know the momentum is there. Now there are two ways it can stop. Fast with a wreck, or slowly. As everyone knows, the people have the power to stop it. The media is nonexistent, so it can't do much good. And where to start? Maybe in Kalifornia? It looks like even that state can't put it's clothes on. So where? And how? But the key is knowing the momentum. Short of some surprise, what took a long time to achieve will also take a long time to undo.

Damnit, I sound like a fucking broken record. I have nothing to say anymore. It's going to take lawyers and money to finish this job. A political A Team.


I do like your perspective. I wish more Americans had that.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 02:28 PM
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18. It's not fascism....



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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 07:05 PM
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27. GREAT!
Fantastic examples of how intelligent Americans feel.


I was really surprised to talk with my 80 year old mom this afternoon, and here her say that many times she has nearly come to tears about the state of the country. She's a pretty tough and positive person. This shithead and his corporate friends have damaged this country in ways that go far beyond anything we have discussed on this forum. Lost time and damaged psyches.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 02:42 PM
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19. Aww... come on, it's Red Dawn!
Patrick Swayze! Charlie Sheen! Jennifer Grey! Spunky American kids defend Colorado from the evil Communists!

It's got a character named "Aardvark", for God's sake, who you meet in one scene and who gets killed in the next scene at which point someone screams, "Aardvark! Noooooooo!"

I guess I took it as a candidate in the so-bad-it's-good genre, which is how I assumed it was meant to be received.
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 02:50 PM
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21. I always appreciated Red Dawn as a brilliant satire of the Freeper mindset
Just the ludicrous idea of Russians and Cubans dropping out of the sky into the Midwest. And better yet, the first time I saw the movie, I was in a more "conservative" part of the state, so there were lots of cheers and "yeeeehaaaws" at every Wolverines victory.

Though I agree with the Iraq analogies in the original post, the true irony is that the invasion and fascist takeover DID happen in this country, and the Freepers not only ignored the fact, they openly cheered it on, and still are doing so.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 05:41 PM
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23. opps delete
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 05:43 PM by elehhhhna
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 06:04 PM
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24. While I am not a freeper...
Remember the wording at the beginning of the movie? Mexico falls to a leftist revolution and becomes the springboard for the invasion of the United States. Look at Mexico right now, darn close to revolution. If Mexico goes hard left and we continue to tick off the world, part of the Red Dawn scenario becomes possible. Except the freepers will be to blame for the invasion of the US and I will personally hold them responsible.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 07:07 PM
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28. Red Dawn = mujahedeen envy
The Afghan Islamic militias were the darling of the right in those days. Red Dawn was based on some weird wish to be them. The horseback/AK-47 guerrilla warfare in a mountainous environment was just rehash of the Afghan insurgency against Soviet rule. More than anything, this is yet another example of becoming one's adversary after victory over them.
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