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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:14 AM
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why are Iran's Mullahs so afraid of the female?

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=80

On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center.

The sentence was issued by the head of Neka’s Justice Department and subsequently upheld by the mullahs’ Supreme Court and carried out with the approval of Judiciary Chief Mahmoud Shahroudi.

In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims.

The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.
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bunch of murderous cowards

I stand in solidarity with Ateqeh and mourn her
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:15 AM
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1. They fear the loss of power.
Just like every other male-dominated society.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:16 AM
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2. What a horrible situation
and if Repiglicans win two more elections you can expect the same here in the USA
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:16 AM
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3. for the same reason than Evangelicals and Xian bigots and rabid rabbis
they have no balls
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:18 AM
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4. Controlling reproduction is an effective way of spreading religion....
If you let women choose their own lovers, decide when and with whom to have babies, and raise those children as they wish, that generation won't be as devout as the children born and raised by women who are religiously controlled. I'm not claiming that that is purposeful. We might be seeing a sort of natural selection of religions. Both the Catholic church and Islam have made effective use of that practice. Perhaps they wouldn't be around otherwise?
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:18 AM
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5. I saw a female expert in Islam speak on TV...
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 11:19 AM by kiki
...she points out that the Koran often reads like a feminist text - for example, a woman is entitled to "sexual satisfaction" and can summarily divorce her husband if she does not receive an orgasm for more than three months, according to the Koran.

This woman's main point was that most mullahs have not even read the Koran, and anyone with a decent knowledge of it could tear them apart in a debate, in the unlikely event of the mullahs ever allowing one. The mullahs are NOT religious people - they are power people. As such, they are afraid of just about everyone who lives outside their compound.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:27 AM
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6. Goats? Sheep? Oh! You mean 'women'!
They do not want to share power.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:32 AM
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7. Sex
Everything, always, anywhere, comes down to sex. Females control sex. If they want sex, we get it. If they don't, we don't. Simple as that. Unless we use force. And since that isn't in any way the right way to treat someone, we should just accept our lack of power in this area.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:34 AM
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9. That is just about the saddest...
world-view in relation to sex that I've ever heard. And it disturbs me that many men seem to feel that way. The whole notion of tying sex and power together is genuinely bizarre to me.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:58 AM
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16. Well it wouldn't be if we had sex simply to
keep the species going. But we don't. We have fun with it. We have it for pleasure. We have to have protection against sexually transmitted diseases we have sex so much. If it were just for the continuation of the human race, that's one thing. But we have to impress you women to get you into bed, so that we can just have fun, non-reproductive sex. We can't be just some loser and expect anything. True, men can and do control the image of sex to a large degree. But to actually get any, you females have that patented.

That in no way is blaming women for that. That's just how it works. If sex wasn't fun, there wouldn't be a power struggle. Men like sex. Women like sex. It's just that women decide who and when. Depends where you are on the ladder though. If you're Bradd Pitt, or some other guy that is high on the scale, you can decide things sometimes. But the rule is that women have the say.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:03 PM
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17. you live in a truly sad world
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 12:08 PM by VelmaD
And you probably aren't the only one.

The people I get involved with view the decision to have sex and something mutual. I don't control access to sex to any greater or lesser degree than my male partners do.

Maybe you need to go find a better class of people to get involved with. Because if everyone you get involved with views sex in the terms you described then I feel really sorry for you.

Makes me much happier with my own decision to be poly and surround myself with less sexually hung up people though.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:40 PM
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18. A better class of people?
What does that mean?

Mutual as in...

Female: Want to...

Male: Yes.

Female: ...have sex?

or

Male: Want to have sex?

Female: Not right now.

Male: Yeah, me either. I was just kidding anyway.

But thank you for your concern. I appreciate when my betters show sympathy.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:33 AM
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8. Because the female is smarter, stronger, more moral and compassionate.
And they are short-sighted, weak, and afraid.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:38 AM
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12. gold star answer
nt
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:36 AM
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21. Thank you.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:34 AM
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10. I suspect it's "sex", not "women", that they have hang-ups about.

If I had to guess (and *please* don't put much faith in my knowledge of the psychological history of Islam) I would say that - like most other religions - they regard sex as taboo, and as they're men that means condemning a) homosexuality, and b) women who act in any way sexually.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:35 AM
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11. For the same reason most societies throughout history
have been afraid of the Feminine. Domination and Sex...
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:42 AM
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13. it's Domination not sex - rape is a domination tool

child/woman sexual abuse is domination

getting a woman pregnant without her consent is domination

and religions say a wife must consent to the husband - religions are used to dominate women and children
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:49 AM
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14. sheela-na-gig
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:54 AM
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15. where human life comes from

nt
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 12:43 PM
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19. The exact same reason
the Xian mullahs fear women.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 01:18 PM
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20. And the exact same reason
ALL PATRIARCHAL SOCIETIES fear and make the domination of women JOB ONE!
This ain't got nuthin' to do with "mullahs." Did Rusty Yates remarry yet?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:37 AM
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22. Religious Judge? Isn't that what Christian fundies want here?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:07 AM
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23. For the same reason the USA refuses to pass the Equal Rights Amendment for
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

The Equal Rights Amendment, first proposed in 1923, is still not part of the U.S. Constitution.

The ERA has been ratified by 35 of the necessary 38 states. When three more states vote yes, the ERA might become the 28th Amendment.

When the USA passes the Equal Rights amendment, THEN you can start bitching about how other countries treat their women...

No offense, just making a point. The USA ain't all that.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:10 AM
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24. Iran is clamping down on "public morality" (that is, women's rights) now.
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 11:11 AM by Taxloss
TEHRAN, Aug. 29 (UPI) -- Police in Tehran have been ordering Iranian women to cover up, stopping those they perceive as "badly veiled."

The crackdown followed the 2005 election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"We are certainly seeing a return to behavior we haven't seen for 10 years," Hadi Ghaemi of Human Rights Watch told The Telegraph. "Generally, the imposition of strict Islamic codes has been increasing under Ahmadinejad."

Ghaemi said that the penalty for violating a code that requires the complete covering of women's heads and bodies in public depends on the officers involved and the women's political connections.


More: http://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060829-070309-8053r

On edit: note the political connection remark - this isn't morality of any kind, it's political oppression, pure and simple.
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