What Dem team do YOU want in charge of countering election fraud and

[blm]

when do you expect that team to get to work?

It seems to me that the team of election lawyers the Democratic party has is not well schooled in the modern day election fraud tactics that the GOPs have been using since 2000.

I would like to see RFK Jr. in charge of putting the next team of election lawyers together for the Democratic party.... and put them to work IMMEDIATELY.

[Warpy]

1. That'll work

Gore and Kerry both need to be a part of that team.

Of course, I still think their families were threatened, which is why both men faded from public view for a couple of years after they were deprived of the office they both won.

[blm]

3. Kerry started popping Bush again in Jan 2005. Still hasn't let up.

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[helderheid]

10. Bless him for that! GO KERRY!

[never_get_over_it]

16. Yes Kerry was ever so helpful

when he was MIA while Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones were fighting the Ohio results - giving the repunks the opportunity to call anyone who thought there was something wrong nut job Michael Moore wing of the party freaks - and if John Kerry doesn't think anything was wrong - since he had the most to lose - why should we.

Yep he's been a real champion on this issue Thank God for John Kerry.

Kerry should have started popping the thief in chief in November of 2004 - but his political aspirations were more important than the well being of this country.

[blm]

17. Can you present the case that Kerry had to go to court to continue then?

Because the team of election lawyers said there was no case to continue in court and there was no math on his side, either.

Those same lawyers advised Gore that he DID have a case to continue AND the math working FOR him.

Can you share with us the case YOU could have made with the legal evidence you know was there?

[never_get_over_it]

21. In your original post you stated

"It seems to me that the team of election lawyers the Democratic party has is not well schooled in the modern day election fraud tactics that the GOPs have been using since 2000."

are these the same guys who said there was no case to continue and no math on their side? If so their advice for John Kerry to concede was probably ill advice....

But what I'm talking about the bully pulpit that John Kerry should have used to draw attention to this issue - I'm talking about the promise he made to make sure every vote was counted - which my conceding so early he broke - and I'm talking about him being in Iraq when other Senators were addressing this issue during the OH electoral vote challenge. He should have had his ass there and he should have made a speech raising his concerns about the irregularities in OH even if it would not have changed the result of the election. But you see he wants to run for President again and didn't want to be called a sore loser - and he by no means is alone in this party there are many many Dems who seem hesitant to raise this issue - its just in this case the perception was John Kerry had the most to lose and he's not complaining so why should we....

This is one of those things that you are convinced he is a champion of this issue and I'm not - neither one of us is likely to change our mind.

I just wanted to put my two cents in because John Kerry LET ME DOWN - if you don't think he let you down fine....we'll have to agree to disagree.

[blm]

22. Kerry did or the team of election lawyers the Dem party had did?

When should REALITY ever begin to matter?

To be mad at Kerry, you'd have to be certain that it was BECAUSE of Kerry. Because I believe that ANY Democratic nominee would have had the exact same tactics used against their voters and had the exact same team of Dem election lawyers overseeing the election matters presented during that time.


What do YOU think would have been different?

I WANT there to be a different team of lawyers, SCHOOLED in the real dirty tricks the RNC employs throughout the 4yrs in between races. Dems need to DEAL with that reality as a party. Focusing the blame on the one person who is NOT in charge of that aspect of the Dem infrastructure is a convenient distraction that wastes time, preventing the Dems to focus on the REAL problem.

[never_get_over_it]

23. Oh believe me it is not just Kerry I blame

but don't you get that he was the defacto leader of the party - he was the one that they stole the election from (although I don't believe that I believe "they" stole the election from all of us who voted for Kerry) - I'm talking about the bully pulpit and the unique position tha John Kerry was in at that point - but as I said I believe his political aspirations caused him to act as he did....and sadly I am dead set sure that almost anyone in his position would have most likely done the same thing...

I'm just looking for Dems who do the right thing no matter what the issue instead of worrying about their next election - I know that is idealistic and maybe unrealistic - but I think its what we need to move out of the mess we are now in....

[blm]

24. He did HIS PART OF THE JOB and won.

He did his job and won - How did the Dem party infrastructure do?

Were they strong enough in Ohio to counter the 4yrs of vote suppressing tactics the RNC focused on? Did the DNC have the machines secured for ALL the candidates on the ballot?

Was the Dem party legal team for elections well schooled on all the election fraud tactics?

And how did the left media do matched against the RW machine?

And how did Kerry match up against Bush again?

Or was it Kerry's job to run the DNC, the left media AND beat Bush?

[WA98296]

2. Sounds GREAT, what are they waiting for?

[blm]

25. I don't know. We never really hear that there is a legal team working to

counter the RNC election fraud every step of the way. Yet that is what is most desperately needed.

We hear about phone lines and poll watchers, but when it comes right down to it, the battle has to be taken on EVERY DAY and taken on thru LEGAL MEANS.

[Totally Committed]

4. RFK, Jr. -- definitely!

Sounds great... and should begin ASAP, if not sooner.

TC

[Strawman]

5. RFK, Jr.

[blm]

26. Seriously - if it's so clear to us, why can't the Dem PARTY people see it?

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[Ravy]

6. I would like a team of hackers to start the night before the election.

Not really, but it would be nice to hear the Repubs squeal if we did it better than them this time.

[blm]

12. In a fantasy show or something as a learning tool only. I don't want to

belong to a team that depends on lying and stealing and fraud to win. If I did I'd be a treasonous Republican and make my life easier - and take Ambien to sleep at night, just like the rest of them.

[Nozebro]

7. It won't matter, because "fixed elections" are inherent in our political

system. The election lawyers you referred to are not incompetent; it's just that their objective was not achievable. The recent (fixed) election in Mexico is a perfect example. Our elections have always been corrupted and there is no evidence to think the future will be any different.

[blm]

8. The election lawyers of 2000 and 04 to were not schooled in machine fraud.

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[Vidar]

9. Conyers & the CBC are ones on top of this.

[blm]

11. How has the Dem infrastructure accepted their efforts?

Have they brought in their legal minds to add to the election team of lawyers?

[mod mom]

13. John Conyers, RFK Jr and the CBC! The REAL Deal.

[never_get_over_it]

14. I'll second that!!! eom

[SoCalDem]

15. We have pissed away TWO elections AFTER it was obvious

that there were election shenanigans going on.. Why would we expect anyone to take it seriously now? Especially when so many dems were "briar-patched" into allocation of BIG bucks with HAVA?

We screamed and hollered after 2K, and of course the repubes were happy to oblige...and rammed HAVA through..

In 02 and 04 how many people took office who weren;t "really" elected? We'll never know..

After all that money has now been spent for "state-of-the-art" cheating voting machines, does anyone really think we will get support to now dismantle they system that they all love so much?..and that has cost states so much money too?

The sick truth is that the very people who have to change things are the very people who like things the way they are.. An elected official wins even if he/she loses so there's little impetus to get serious about changing things.. Kerry's loss is a prime example. He lost nothing personally when he lost the presidency.

And unless they actually go to jail, being chased out of office does not hurt their personal fortunes...example Delay..

We have a real problem, and I don;t know if there even is a solution..

Voting is the ultimate faith-based act..:(

[blm]

18. Why can't DNC put up a team whose only job is to COUNTER the team the RNC

has in place to purge and suppress Dem voters?

Why can't WE put up a team of voting machine experts to examine all the voting machines and TRAIN election board members on proper security measures?

The Dems spend alot of money. They NEED to spend it on SECURING The votes of ALL their Dem voters and for ALL their Dem candidates on the ballot.

The RNC works for the entire four years to work against Dem voters and pull their raggedy ass candidates across the finish line.

How does the Dem team spend THEIR four years?

[SoCalDem]

19. THAT is a pithy question....

one that I fear, none of our elected officals want to tackle..

[blm]

20. Why can't we ask the person who's in charge - Chairman Dean?

McAuliffe and Brazille completely blew off the RNC tactics that were used throughout the four years before the election.

I think Dean, in the postRFK article era, would consider a more EFFECTIVE team of election lawyers focused on the reality of the RNC's tactics.