BREAKING: WIRETAP LAWYERS TO SUBPOENA BUSH

[kpete]

BREAKING: Bush White House subpoenaed by wiretap lawyers

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday August 29, 2006


Two attorneys representing claimants in a lawsuit over wiretapping by the National Security Agency will subpoena the White House today, RAW STORY has learned.

Bruce Afran and Carl Mayer, who represent hundreds of plaintiffs in lawsuits against Verizon, AT&T, and the US Government, will announce today that they are serving both the Bush administration and Verizon with subpoenas.

Mayer explained that the subpoena seeks to learn "whether the Bush administration has unlawfully targeted journalists, peace activists, libertarians, members of congress or generated an 'enemies list.'"

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/BREAKING__Bush_White_House_subpoenaed_0829.html

[spanone]

1. Amen! K & R

[goclark]

4. Please let us get a break for a change! K and R

[midnight]

17. And God be with you today while you do your work.

There are some great patriots out there.

[autorank]

103. "kpete Brings Good News to Light" K&R n/t

[kentuck]

2. Damn !

Where's this going ! ?

[helderheid]

3. Holy shit!

[stepnw1f]

7. Will This go anywhere Helderheid?

I am a bit ignorant when it comes to law.

[helderheid]

41. You got me ... I'm in the same boat as you.

:hi:

[stepnw1f]

43. Oh... and Good Morning!

:hi:

[elehhhhna]

5. Proud to give rec 5. Thank Jah.

I am almost giddy with hope and relief.

[Cha]

55. Yes, Thank

Jah! And the Spirit in the Sky!

[blogslut]

6. sweet

n/t

[Imagevision]

116. Bush will cite, National Security/State secrets act to skate...

[Patsy Stone]

8. Best of luck with all of this

I hope somehow we finally get some answers.

[boolean]

9. WOOT!

:headbang:

[lonestarnot]

10. Okeedokee!

[librechik]

11. Justice! Tell the truth now, Mr. President!

as if...

[focusfan]

109. I dont think the truth is in him

or he doesn't know what the truth is he has been lying to
himself for so long he believes the lies he tells himself.

[WiseButAngrySara]

12. Go For It !! k(pete)nr! ....n/t

[kpete]

48. I must say Sara

this one did NOT make me angry

The Tide may be turning....

[Hubert Flottz]

13. If Congress refuses to check Bush's abuse of power then it's up

to the judicial branch. I'm glad to see this going this route. The SCOTUS will have to show their true colors in the end. If they handle this wrong, they may get fired too, before all this is over.

[madokie]

19. providing we're not all in detention camps soon

we can only hope

[WiseButAngrySara]

20. SCOTUS fired? In our dreams! Lifetime appointment. ....n/t

[Benhurst]

33. If the Horrible Five don't have countless grounds for impeachment

in their sordid histories, I would be greatly surprised. Win the House. Win the Senate. Let the investigations begin. Removing Fat Tony and Thomas would be a good start.

[ninkasi]

35. The only remedy

for getting one of the Supreme Court justices removed is by impeachment. At least we have that as a possibility, although it would be almost impossible to get it done.

[WiseButAngrySara]

42. Gosh, I didn't realize this was even an option for SCOTUS members!

You've renewed my hope! I thought they were immune from impeachment proceedings.

[ninkasi]

91. It's always good to have hope

I grew up in the 40s and 50s, and remember when a lot of bumper stickers said "Impeach Earl Warren". If any of them deserve impeachment, Scalia, Thomas, Alito and some of the others need to go. Actually, most of them need to go.

[Hubert Flottz]

49. Really?

Impeachment of Federal Judges

The Founders' intent for impeachment was to protect the fundamental principle of “the consent of the governed.” The Constitution carries no title but “We the People,” and impeachment removes from office those officials who ignore that standard. (Recall that the Constitution does not guarantee a federal judge his position for life, but only for the duration of “good behavior.” Art. III, Sec. 1)

http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detailpf.php?ResourceID=69



The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

--U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 4


http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

[Joanne98]

63. SCOTUS can be impeached too. See Ford adminstration...

[HereSince1628]

14. I fear soon to be quashed for national security reasons...

I'm glad they try.

[sam sarrha]

15. the county is in Crisis.. the end is near if we cant stop their bullshit

the wet brain alcoholic brain damaged drug addict narcissistic psychopath will throw the entire worked into a religious war and recession if we cant stop him and bag him, and neuter the F'n Mad Dog.

[madokie]

16. Please, pretty please let this be so, please

to the gods or whoever answers these pleadings

[Patsy Stone]

18. 23 recommendations in seven minutes.

Is that some sort of record for a non-Will Pitt thread? :)

ed: sp.

[ClassWarrior]

22. You're evil, darling...

Cheers!

:hi:

NGU.

[Patsy Stone]

25. Sweetie!

Isn't that what brought us together in the first place? :evilgrin:

:hi:

[ClassWarrior]

30. I don't remember. Perhaps it was the drink?...

:evilgrin:

NGU.

[Patsy Stone]

38. That...

and believing. NGU! :toast:

[ClassWarrior]

44. NGU Pats...

:toast:

NGU.

[Jensen]

21. Thank God!!!!

I hope they get more than a slap!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[WiseButAngrySara]

29. Oh, this looks fun! I'll have to repeat it!

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Harry Monroe]

23. Hopeful, but not very optimistic

I've got this feeling of deja vu. Somehow, this will get squashed flatter than a lovebug on the bumper of a SUV doing 80 mph. The White House's AG (not the people's) Gonzales will see to that.

I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

24. Does the rule of law apply to dickheads in the WH or just Clinton's Penis?

Hopefully, it applies to dickheads and Dick Chenbeys as well as the dick of the Big Dog.

Hope! It's a good thing.

[dbt]

27. Best Question Of The Day!

:bounce:

[WiseButAngrySara]

31. Too Funny! Applied law to dicks and penises! ....n/t

[CoffeeCat]

54. Yes, the law is only applied to penises...

....and the penalty is years of "hard time."

(ooops. did I say that out loud?)

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

70. Removing Bush from office: Would it be impeachment or coitus interruptus?

Either way America needs a break!

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. Apparently just to Clinton's penis. nt

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

26. If You Think Anything Is Going To Come Of This....

I've got a bridge over Lake Ponchtrain to sell ya.

[Harry Monroe]

56. I agree

The only thing that will get him impeached is a blowjob. WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with people in this country??? WAKE UP!!!!!:rant: :banghead:

[Pacifist Patriot]

84. At one point there were some things I just wouldn't do.

Now I'm not so sure. *shudder*

[zanne]

62. Remember when they tried to serve John Ashcroft....

Remember those secret energy meetings? Remember how we the people tried to subpoena Ashcroft? The people with the subpoenas were turned away at the door and that was the end of it. The media reported it and moved on.

[Dhalgren]

28. Will Bush pull "executive privilege" and ignore the subpoena?

I believe that he will. This is setting up to be a major show down regarding the rule of law in this country. I just can't see the Dictatorship submitting to the dangers inherent in a subpoena. Will the Dictator's power extend to third parties? Will the Dictator say that Verizon doesn't have to answer to the subpoena be cause the Dictator says so?

If Bush agrees to allow his administration to be subpoenaed, it could rip the lid off of the whole shooting match (to mix my metaphors).

But if Bush refuses to submit, then we will have a Constitutional crisis of epic proportions.

Stand by kids...

[WiseButAngrySara]

34. IMHO, We had a "Constitutional crisis of epic proportions" when SCOTUS

intervened in a pResidential sElection. Too few noticed, and it's just gotten worse.

I'm standing by...

[radfringe]

40. of course he will and then

cheney will emerge from his hidey-hole and blast away with his shotgun...

meanwhile...this whole thing will be turned on it's ear, and the argument will come down to:

"You can't subpoena a siting president"

"Yes you can, you did it to Clinton"

"That's different - we're at war"

"What's the war have to do with it?"

"If we subpoena a president during a time of war it will embolden the terrorists and they will attack us here and we will all die!!!!"

[Harry Monroe]

58. Got news for ya...

...the terrorists are already emboldened and are already winning; we've been sliding down that slippery slope to totalitarinism for quite a while now, because of the actions of this Administration. Somewhere in a cave on the Afghani-Pakistani border I hear Bin Laden laughing at Bush's self-immolation of this country.

[radfringe]

59. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

that's a secret

[Harry Monroe]

68. Be bewy, bewy quiet...

..we're huntin' tewowists!!!

[Miss Chybil]

72. They're both happy with each other's progress, I'm sure.

It's all working out well for the Bush Cabal and Al-Qaeda

[dogday]

32. Showdown between the Judicial and Executive Branches

This should be very interesting... I hope they make him testify...

[ThomWV]

36. Was The Sopena Issued "In Blank"?

Because its difficult to expect that some Judge typed in Bush's name on one and handed over to have served.

[AndyA]

37. Note to Wiretap Lawyers: Make sure Bush is under oath. Don't cut

him any slack, he hasn't cut the American people any.

And be prepared for almost everything to be a matter of national security, as an attempt to evade answering questions.

Oh, and better check him for earphones, if not his answers will be Karl Rove's.

K & R! I hope this shit is finally about to come to an end!!

[Harry Monroe]

69. Yes indeed, make sure they are under OATH!!!

Unlike their refusal to be placed "under oath" before the 9/11 commission. That way if they lie, it is an "impeachable offense", as the Clinton impeachment already set this precedent!! Hoisted by their own petard!!!
(See post #60)

[ArmchairMeme]

39. We the people

Time for the people to take charge of our country!

We are a strong and intelligent people we can take charge and do what is right for the country.

[mmonk]

45. Nice move.

We are so far into the dictatorship model I'm not sure it will work or yield anything however.

[democrank]

46. That fascist SOB

and his dangerous sidekick Cheney deserve to be brought down, along with anyone else who aided and abetted. I`m sure the Bushies have been prepared for this. Watch them come out with some kind of trumped up "state`s secret" road block.

[madrchsod]

47. no matter how hard he tries he cannot escape...

the "charter of liberties" of 1100 and the "magna carta" of 1250. they will haunt him forever....

[mmonk]

53. I don't know.

Look at their assault on Habeus Corpus. How far does that go back, the 12th century?

[kestrel91316]

66. Those aren't the foundation of our government. The bible is.

:sarcasm:

[Gregorian]

50. What would Nixon do?

Damn, this ain't going to be an easy one to squirm out of. All it takes is one unshredded tape.


This might embolden the enemy- All of those weak-kneed Dems who haven't found the strength to stand up against this maladministration.

[Harry Monroe]

67. WWND

Bush as a professed "Christian" makes me laugh. What would Jesus do?? Bush has NEVER given this a single thought. Jesus would be derided as a liberal by this Administration and Faux News if he were to show up on this earth in this day and age. They wouldn't even recognize him.

What would Nixon do?? That's their new mantra.

This may have legs!! Just imagine it, a whole merchandise line for the Republican Reich!!

[jmowreader]

96. You're being kinda hard on Nixon, aren't you?

Nixon had SOME scruples. Bush has absolutely none.

[Harry Monroe]

106. Ya right...

...I'll give Nixon some credit in that he had to the decency to resign rather than face impeachment and certain removal from office.

[ThomWV]

51. Under Oath and Babbeling Doesn't Count As An Answer

Where the Lawyer can keep repeating a question until he gets an answer, where a Judge will compel him to answer, where everything is under oath.

[Harry Monroe]

60. Will Bush and/or Cheney even be placed under oath??

Look for them to play that card again as they did before the 9/11 commission, claiming that they'll testify only if they do not have to be placed under oath. Then they can say they didn't lie "under oath" and escape the perjury charge (the precedent that perjury is an "impeachable offense" has already been set by Clinton's impeachment)

[ThomWV]

73. This Isn't A Commission. In Front Of A Judge Perjury Confronts Anyone

Swear or not, lie in court and your ass has a serious problem. This is not some bullshit commission appointed to whitewash treason, this is the law.

[BlueCentrist]

115. and he can't ignore it.

He is being brought up on charges and has to answer those charges.

[Cha]

52. That'd be me!

Peace Activist! :hippie:

Thank you, lawyers(Bruce Afran and Carl Mayer)!

[peacetheonlyway]

57. Finally the right combination of

angry citizens,
shrewd lawyers
a tie to a Billion dollar Telco that has violated it's very sacred mission of allowing private communication between the consumers that pay its bills
and finally, an administration so weak, they still use Cheney to bark at the press when the crap really hits the fan.
Cheney, a man who less than 2 in 10 people even give a crap about.

No, folks this is what Fitzgerald was shooting for but never achieved. The perfect storm of citizen outrage.


yay. yay. yay. yay. Subpoena Bush's ass right over to the Hague and into his lovely war criminal cell next to Milosevic.

it's time to put these people behind bars and drag down our Telco Monopoly in the process....

hooray for Bruce and Carl!!!! good work boys....

[Gregorian]

76. He won't even have Milosevic

He died last March.

But that's ok. I'm not picky. He can have an entire cell to himself. Besides, there's always Dick.

[tabasco]

61. Will he get to sit on Uncle Dick's lap again?

Like the 9-11 hearings?

[Subdivisions]

64. Ummm... I don't see anything about this on

CNN, Faux or MSNBC. Gee, I wonder why that is. OH! I know why!

Warren Jeffs was caught!

[Name removed]

65. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Raffi Ella]

71. !!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[myrna minx]

74. Will we finally have justice?

Oh please, oh please, oh please!

[The Wielding Truth]

75. Hurray!

[Uncle Joe]

78. Ever so kicked, ever so recommended!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick::kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[borlis]

79. Silly question, but what if he just ignores it? Can he just ignore it?

He considers himself and his administration above the law anyway so is this really a big deal? I really hope it is, but so many times in the past I have gotten my hopes up for absolutely nothing.

[chat_noir]

80. K&R

……….


www.awolbush.com




DESERTER: THE STORY OF GEORGE W. BUSH AFTER HE QUIT THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm















$10,000 reward was never collected




Cheerleader action doll hahahaha

[droolz]

81. Kind of Makes Sense...

One of the things i noticed from the recent terror busts (which we had a minor role in), is that all the help and resources the FBI used actually went through the FISA courts and didn't illegally wiretap anyone.

As a disclaimer, i have always had a hard time swallowing even the FISA courts since way before 9/11. So my credibility may be reduced since i don't support them necessarily on principle either. However, they are law, and some notion of privacy or defense is still included in the FISA stuff - there's at least one level of check adn balance from what i can understand.

However, the fact that the FBI still chose to use their LEGAL means to help ferret out elements of the terror plot shows that the war on terror can and should be done without sacrificing Real American Values, such as privacy and the governments non-existant rights to snoop in anyone's business -no matter how scary that may be. This is one of the cornerstone philosophies that the constitution, and the bill of rights- the entire union, were founded on.

I digress. I am much more of a lurker on here. And i'm not as vehement about a lot of the issues on this board. However, this really sets me off. I'm glad this lawsuit is happening, as when i look at terror investigations assisted in a fully legal manner - it really makes me wonder:
"if the FISA courts show their effectiveness and validity in the war on terror, then WHO are the illegal wiretaps aimed at? Especially in an administration that believes -and are starting to equate- dissent with being aligned with Al Queda? Seems to me enemies of the Admin is a broader term than most people think."

Also, with all of our country's illegal and constitution demolishing practices, why are the brits more effective at finding plots?

[mmonk]

82. The only reason to circumvent the FISA court

is to spy on someone without terrorist connections or any probable cause they have any. FISA, if anything, was a means to expedite spying while still meeting some basic requirement to stay within the 4th amendment.

[Marie26]

83. I believe that intelligence

gathered outside FISA requirements can't even be used to prosecute terrorists. Which leaves the question about why it's done at all.

Welcome to DU!

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

85. xxx Somebody already said it

nm

[Canuckistanian]

108. Great first post, says it all

Welcome to DU!
:toast:
:hi:

[saracat]

86. Is this anywhere on MSM?

I still haven't recovered from the Fitz inditement stuff. And yes, I don't trust MSM either but if they report this it is more likely. I hope this is true.

[PresidentWar]

87. NOW will the Democrats act on Impeachment?

what will it take? Bush eating a live baby on TV?

[grizmaster]

88. Rawstory says the subpoenas are coming at 4:30

any minute now

[grizmaster]

92. And here is the subpoena

first link is the subpoena

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NSASubpoena.pdf

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Raw_acquires_Bush_wiretap_subpoenaes_0829.html

[npincus]

89. LINK to subpoena....and list of Defendants:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NSASubpoena.pdf

Defendants:

VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC.; CELLCO PARTNERSHIP; BELLSOUTH CORPORATION; AT&T CORPORATION; AT&T INC.; Subpoena Duces Tecum and GEORGE W. BUSH, individually in Notice for Production of his executive capacity and as representative Documents and Other Things of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA; in Lieu of Subpoena. and NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, Defendants. ---------------------------------------------------

[kpete]

90. thanks npincus

[Disturbed]

93. Will AG Gonzo cut his stay in Iraq short

to respond to this?

[MissWaverly]

111. I can't understand how he can explain rule of law to the Iraqis

esp. when it comes the Geneva Conventions and ICC

[w8liftinglady]

94. I'm sure Olberman and all the usual players have this,but I'm emailing it

anyway...Thanks,KPete

[Independent_Liberal]

95. K&R!

:woohoo:

Get the ball rolling!

:bounce:

I'm on the dance floor!

B-)

SUBPOENA! SUBPOENA! SUBPOENA!

:applause:

[Raffi Ella]

97. I'm wary of getting my hopes up on this but ...

WOOOOOOOOooooooo!ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE BushCO!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[me b zola]

98. Yeah baby!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[BlueCentrist]

99. wow.

This is big!I have a question for those near a TV.Is it on the news?

[QuestionAll...]

100. is this being reported anywhere else?

should we be expecting it to be mentioned on regular news? I'm not sure what the import of this is, sounds good to me, but what the hell do I know.

I've just been so yanked around so many times I just don't want to go there again.

[dweller]

101. quietly counting down the minutes til

the nat'l news tonite, i wonder if this will even be a bleepn blip on the screen...

stay tuned!

dp

[dweller]

107. not even a mention ...

color.me.surprised.

dp

[Seabiscuit]

102. It's always a sunny day when I hear news like this. k&r

[happydreams]

104. OK, so they subpoena Bush & Co.....

Does Bush have to submit to the court's jurisdiction?
I remember then Attorney General Ed Meese simply ignored subpoena's back in the Reagan Era.

[Hailtothechimp]

105. I'll eat my hat if there's no enemies list

These people learned from Nixon, after all.

[McCamy Taylor]

110. You've been served has never sounded so sweer.

[theanarch]

112. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here...

...but if you like this, thank the Green Party for it. Meyer is one of Ralph Nader's original "raiders" and a close, personal friend; Afran is past GP candidate for US Senate, and has done major pro-bono work for Greens (and others). And while you're scratching your heads over this one, you may want to ask yourself why the DP (or its lawyers) didn't file this suit.

[Pawel K]

113. No other sources on thistyet

anyone got any more information since this was posted this morning?

[Catchawave]

114. Nope nothing

:shrug: 155 recommendations later....:boring:

Maybe tommorrow ?

[maddezmom]

117. AP: Lawyers Seeking White House Records

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2484021

I just posted in LBN, but the article is unclear if they have been subpeoned or if it's still just in the planning stage. :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2484021

[Swamp Rat]

118. k&r

[redacted]

119. Press Release here:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=71393

[SalmonChantedEvening]

120. Under oath this time

No 'visits' with 'folks', actual testimony and a record of it.

Pass the petards around the WH and ready the order to hoist.

[tuvor]

121. This story sure burnt out quicker than truthout's Rove subpoena story.

Why are we supposed to listen to alternative news sources as opposed to the popular media again?

Looking more and more to me they're all fucked.

(Or did that announcement take place outside Verizon HQ yesterday after all, and no one bothered to report it?)