I hope they bill that sick f*** Karr for first class flight from Thailand

[LynneSin]

I have done very little with following the Jon-Benet Ramsey case and especially lost interest after family members stated he was in Alabama the time of the murder.

And yet our government paid to fly Karr home from Thailand FIRST FRICKING CLASS along with all the perks of being a star suspect of a high-profile case.

And even though our government is willing to shell out thousands of tax-dollars for this sick fuck they wouldn't spend a dime on providing enough buses to evacuate the victims of Katrina

++++++++++++++++++

Personally, I think Karr needed a flight home from Thailand and couldn't afford the airfare. Make a false claim that he killed the Ramsey girl and suddenly he's flying home in class.

:grr:

[TheFriedPiper]

1. I hope they just stop talking about it and get back to the news

[LynneSin]

4. Who the hell are you kidding

We'll probably now have someone claim he was the one who abducted that girl who was found missing in Aruba.

News to numb the masses - rates right around Elevator Music in quality

[Iwasthere]

11. TRUE

Distraction!!! Timing... keeping Bush from falling even deeper in the polls... lemmings are busy glued to all the networks and the newest stupid distraction...

DON"T GET ARUBA STARTED AGAIN!!

[walldude]

12. CNN has already said that no DNA match and no charges

do not mean the case is over.. They are scrambling to not look like idiots. Again.

[truebrit71]

2. I think he was trying to escape from prosecution in Thailand....

...and the quickest way out was to confess to this case because he KNEW they'd fly him home...

I too hope they stick him with the bill, and then ship has arse back to Thailand...on a boat..

[Ravenseye]

60. That's what my gut says as well

If I'm ever threatened with prison time in a Thai jail, I now know what to do. Confess to a high profile murder case in the United States. Avoid prosecution in Thailand and get a first class flight back.

I bet he got caught with drugs or got caught up in the sex tourism thing there, and just wanted to escape.

[Avalux]

3. They need to send him back, IMHO.

Right back to where they found him, and bill him for BOTH trips. :mad:

[walldude]

5. I heard he was in a Thailand prison and was trying to get out

anyone know if that's true?

[truebrit71]

6. That's what I'd heard as well...

...

[LostinVA]

24. He was not being held on any Thai charges

Until the US government asked for him to be held. Then, all that happened was that his visa was revoked and he was held until he was deported. He was not charged with anything. He was not extradited. He was deported, and the SO heard on TV that the THAI government paid for the flight home.

[rsdsharp]

7. He was flown business class.

The service on far eastern airlines is unbelievable. I flew business class from China to Seattle on Dragon Air out of Singapore and had a very similar experience in terms of food and drink.

[civildisoBDence]

8. I think Thailand executes child molesters

Hell, I'll pay for his ticket back there.

Satire as thick as a president's skull

[QuestionAll...]

27. anyone know what exactly he was charged with in Thailand?

I'm way out of the loop on all this, thankfully. but am curious at to what exactly he was serving time for.

There's something really really strange and evil about this Ramsey case - and I don't mean just karr. I believe it's somehow connected with a ped ring, ritual sex thing with little children that Karr may have been witness to on video tape or photos, with people in high places involved and other surprising participants.

something even deeper and rotten and unholy and stinky about all this besides poor little JonBenet dieing like that...

Think about it, porn and snuff films are a Huge business by what I understand - and who usually is involved with big evil money making ventures?

somebody stop me, I'm scaring myself.

[LostinVA]

32. With nothing

[QuestionAll...]

35. really? nothing? I thought he was in a Thai jail...

I was certainly Led to believe that, as many have.

fercrissakes this is perposterous.

on edit:
just saw your post 24. thanks.

[LostinVA]

38. I know -- the MSM initially reported that

As well as a DNA match. Oi!!!

[Jed Dilligan]

47. Good screenplay concept, but probably not the reality.

Most likely Karr's a sick weirdo who lives mostly in his own head but craves attention.

[Critters2]

69. Are you kidding? Thailand has built its economy

on "sex tourism", most notably child molesters.

[Lars39]

9. I think the Bush administration has been happy to foot that bill.

Karr's "story" allowed quite a few things to go under the radar.

[Bitter Cup]

10. His ass needs to be in prison now

for a variety of crimes...and I think he needs to be investigated for child molesting around the world. That being said...I don't think he should get a second more media coverage.

let the pervert rot in a dark anonymous hole, guilty for crimes he actually committed but gets NO publicity for.

[LostinVA]

25. For what crimes? He has not been charged with any crimes

There are zero charges against him. I think he's skeevy and nuts, but you can't throw him in prison for that.

[Bitter Cup]

68. I was doubtful when he first confessed

I'm not saying he should be imprisoned without charges for a murder he didn't commit.

I am saying that both false declairations and obstruction of justice charges seem pretty reasonable and even called for here.

And frankly all the other evidence that has turned up during this fiasco seems to be probable cause for further investigation of child abuse on an international level.

Either way once he decided to spew he opened himself up to a number of charges...it is beyond baffling that the prosecutors wouldn't nail him to the wall for doing that.

Otherwise the precedent is that anyone can get a free flight jerking the chain of law enforcement for shits and giggles.

[meldroc]

36. Isn't he wanted in California?

for child porn and other related charges? I suspect that's where he's going next...

[LostinVA]

39. CA dropped the charges

And, the charges were all misdemeanors, not felonies.

[meldroc]

44. There's part of the price for freedom.

You know the saying - it's better to let 100 guilty criminals go free then to imprison one innocent person.

[LostinVA]

49. Yup

[Strawman]

13. Public broadcasting, American style

The people of Colorado subsidized that nonsense with their tax dollars and the 24 hour sensationalist news pushers milked it for all they could.

At least if we paid for public braodcasting directly, we could ensure that we were subsidizing broadcasting content with some substance instead of this garbage.

Outrageous.

[patcox2]

14. You think the cops didn't know he was a fraud?

Come on, they got round-trip tickets to Thailand and they got to appear on international TV. And what was the Department of Homeland Security doing involved in this anyway?

[daleo]

54. I heard a cop on the flight clinked champagne glasses with him

If they knew (or had good reason to suspect) that the whole thing was a farce, that would explain the champagne glass clinking. Just a bow to the god of irony.

[stopbush]

15. IF Karr is mentally ill - and by every indication, he may well be - then

asking for such "pay back" for "this sick fuck" is, well, pretty sick.

I think the government should run some mental tests on the guy.

Sad - the government (CO) could have kept this all hush-hush, held the guy in Thailand, run their DNA tests and
released him with today's results.

[NoSheep]

53. agreed.

[MrModerate]

16. Now, now, now . . . it was business class . . . a difference of . . .

Only several thousand of your dollars. Say 100 million nanoseconds of the cost of our troops in Iraq.

Besides, the food on those flights is overrated. The shrimp are invariably overcooked and rubbery.

IMO, he confessed because 1)He's completely bonkers and craved the rush of attention (bet he had to change his underwear 4 times a day ever since he was arrested); and 2)He thought it over and decided an uncertain future in the US prison system was much better than an equally uncertain (but probably less pleasant) future in the Thai prison system.

I say, extradite the goniff back to Thailand immediately (I'm sure the Thai cops are extremely embarassed and eager to make it up to their US colleagues).

This time, though, we should crack down: Coach Class!

[walldude]

17. Now his lawyer is calling him a victim that was

"taken" from Thailand with no evidence. I guess the confession doesn't count. Aaaarrggghhhh, why am I still watching CNN? Time to switch to VH1 and see how Flava Flav is doing with his 9 wacko chicks...

[LynneSin]

18. One of the wackos I swear is a republican

She confessed to another girl she had done some work in the porn industry and the other girl ran and told Flav about it. When Flav confronted both of the girls together the so-called porn girl claims that she had never done porn in her life and that they wouldn't find anything on the internet with her being naked. At eliminations Flav showed everyone her naked ass downloaded from the internet.

Clearly she's a republican - she'll admit to something, realize she should have kept her mouth closed and then deny deny deny even after they show you the hard evidence.

Hey, even I'm allowed some brain candy

[LostinVA]

26. His lawyer is correct n/t

[QuestionAll...]

34. was it a 'confession'?

I thought he said he had 'information about the case' .

Could be he was a witness or something to some sick shit.

when he said 'it was an accident' - could it be that this could have been some sick ritual with a group of people where one went too far?

something so sinister and ugly about all this.

[threadkillaz]

19. But he's a media star...

He single handedly wiped any coverage of Israel's death and destruction of Lebanon off our screens.

[breakaleg]

20. I don't see the big deal about the ticket being in first class.

Most companies have a policy which states that if a flight is longer than a certain number of hours - like 6 to 8 - then they will fly first class. So that was probably for the benefit of the government employees that accompanied him than it was for Karr himself. Also, I bet they wanted privacy from the other passengers, again, for their sake, rather than for Karr's.

[truebrit71]

22. The big deal is he was supposedly a killer and a child molester...

...he should have been in chains and handcuffs sitting between two ENORMOUS armed guards for the entire flight...

And here's the thing, imagine if this guy HAD been the killer, just exactly how would feel as the father watching that twisted bastard enjoy the spoils of business class, sipping on champagne and yucking it up as he flew home to confess about how he got his rocks off murdering your little girl? That guy couldn't be dead enough if I were in that situation....

As it is thousands of taxpayers dollars have been wasted when all that was needed was a goddamn cotton swab and a Fed-Ex envelope to test his DNA BEFORE he was flown back to the US...or is that too goddamn straight forward and logical.... :grr:

[LostinVA]

30. No, he shouldn't have been in chains and guarded

He was NOT a prisoner! He was a free person until the plane landed at LAX. He was deported, not extradited. He was NOT under arrest arrest.

It doesn't matter how skeevy and creepy this guy is... you don't chain up people who haven't been arrested or/and charged with a crime.

[truebrit71]

42. Fine. Then he should have been placed under arrest..

..and then chained and guarded all the way back to the States...

[LostinVA]

50. Under arrest for what?

The Thais weren't extraditing him. The US couldn't charge him on Thai soil. International and domestic law doesn't work that way. If the Thai's had been given a convincing argument/evidence, I'm sure he would have been extradited, thus he could have been arrested.

Law enforcement from other countries can't just arrest people on foreign soil or on ships and planes. There's no "fine" about it. Laws HAVE to be followed.

[truebrit71]

52. Did he not confess to the murder of a 10 yr-old child?

How's that for a start..?

[Atman]

64. He was in THAILAND

He confessed to a crime that didn't happen in Thailand. Thailand had no legal basis to arrest a man for a crime he claims to have committed on foreign soil. He could have confessed to killing Princess Di, too, and kidnapping the Lindberg baby. But none of those crimes happened on Thai soil. They weren't Thai crimes and Thailand had no jurisdiction in any of them. Just as it didn't in the Karr case. In fact, if they had wanted to, the Thai authorities could have told the US that they couldn't have Karr until they were done with him. Instead, the chose to get rid of him. Good for them. But as the other poster stated, as much as you hate the guy and think he's scum, there are still laws to be followed. Just because OUR government doesn't think so any more, many other developed nations still do.

[Joanne98]

21. I hate him just for HOGGING all the news channels!

We had more important things to talk about.

[Philosoraptor]

23. If what he did ain't a crime, it oughta be.

I mean, just look at the millions of bucks wasted on the guy in two weeks, and the millions he could generate in the future with book and movie deals!

[MnFats]

28. or send him to the federal pen in Marion, Ill.

he'll get along just fiiiiiine there.
on second thought, i take it back.
nobody, but nobody deserves the kind of shit that goes on there....

[LostinVA]

31. Send him to the pen for what?

I'm curious.

[Philosoraptor]

29. BREAKING--KARR RELEASED.... ahhhh AHHHHH AHH AHH

[Iris]

33. The man is obviously fucked-up. They'd be better off billing large

media outlets.

[LostinVA]

40. I agree with that

Bill Lou Smit, Michael Tracy, and the MSM.

[hyphenate]

37. Naw....

the white house will pay gladly for that flight for Karr. After all, it was the weapon of mass destraction for a whole week or more, taking a little of the heat off the assholes in the wh who we know were looking desperately for something to do exactly that.

[Hamlette]

41. the guy is mentally ill, we should bill the authorities to fell for his

false confession.

And we should figure out what we can do to make the media more responsible. Turning this into a circus is just what crazy people like Karr want. The punishment should be on the people who gave a frightfully mentally ill person a first class trip to US when we should have known he was nutzo.

[never_get_over_it]

43. Please we should send the bill to Karl Rove

not John Karr - he was nothing but a distraction to take away from the Court Decision that the freak in chief has been breaking the law with his warrantless wire taps....

[librechik]

45. Farce brought to you by Department of Homeland Security

do you, like me, wio=onder why? Did they happen to overhear a certain phone call? or did they dredge up the whole thing on their own to distract from the commissioner's 9/11 book (released that weekend accusing NORAD and FAA of criminality in the investigation)?

[razors edge]

46. Already been paid, in advance, by the

lieberman campaign. got his sorry ass of the news

[AtomicKitten]

48. It was business class.

And it has been established that coach was full so I'm assuming that means they paid the same price.

Regardless, he will be tried in Sonoma County for child porn charges. He extradition was not for naught.

[LostinVA]

51. Sonoma Country dropped those charges

Is what was all over TV.

[gort]

55. The bigger crime was committed by the Media

Sick wackos are always showing up at police stations confessing to crimes they never committed. I wonder how many times a cop has had to listen to someone confess to being the third gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll? When, after all, it was you and me....

It's not news.

I hate the fucking media for wasting time on crap like this.

[LynneSin]

56. Salon asked the best question ever!!

Why wasn't this guy's DNA tested before he was extradited from Thailand.

Then they made a joke at the end saying that the guy from Midnight Express who was stuck going to a turkish prison should have confessed to kidnapping the Linbergh baby.

That's what it is folks

[Scout1071]

57. THAILAND PAID FOR THE FLIGHT. This is a non-story and

nothing for us to waste our time on here.

[Atman]

58. Agreed. Plus, it is the DA in Denver who is in the hot seat for this

She authorized the expenditure of a LOT of money, because she just had to have him back in Denver for DNA testing, although the samples had already been taken in Thailand and were being processed. But she smelled a hot story and big headlines. Now, it will blow up in her face. I am amazed that people are so incensed at Karr for being arrested and thrown on a plane. Do you think it was Karr who arranged the Thai Air non-stop flight, when a cheaper flight with several stops is readily available? Nah. Karr is serious fucked up, but why people seem to thing this was all his doing is beyond me. It is a matter of terrible police work on the part of the DA.

[Scout1071]

61. I disagree. The D.A. did the legal, proper thing.

Look, he had been under investigation in Thailand as a suspected pedophile. He was on the run from California where he was supposed to face child porn charges. But, more importantly, he confessed to the murder. The D.A. had no choice, whether she believed him or not, to bring him to Colorado to take a DNA test and face possible charges. Can you imagine if she knew about him being in Bangkok, did nothing and he escaped before they picked him up? How many more children would he harm around the world? She did the right thing by either bringing charges or letting him go. Either way he had to be tested, using their methods. I'm not sure the sample he gave in Bangkok would have satisfied American courts.

It sucks that he didn't do it and the murderer is still on the streets, but this D.A. did the proper thing.

[marions ghost]

62. absolutely

the DA did what she had to do. Let's not accuse everybody of ineptitude or collusion in this. Don't turn it into a general witch-hunt.

That does not mean that there weren't some behind-the-scene players in this. The timing was all too convenient.

Still possible to me that Karr knows something. He may be a little more than the garden variety wacko.
The DA has to follow up on him. She did her best in this instance.

[Atman]

63. You don't seem to have the story straight

He was arrested in Bangkok, but not because of the Jon Benet case. He copped to that AFTER his arrest. He was arrested when he was because the local authorities feared he was about to take a job at a school and begin molesting kids. That was a Thai case, and if that had been it, he'd have had to deal with Thai courts and authorities. The authorities in Thailand had already taken his blood for DNA testing, they just hadn't received the results yet. The Denver DA opted to fly him back to Denver for seperate DNA tastes when she could easily have allowed the guy to sit in the lockup for a couple more days. Would that have been so bad? Leaving him in a Thai jail, quivering and sweating, fearing for his life, instead of putting him on a first class non-stop back to the states? Some people have said Karr confessed for the free flight home. I'd think a better guess would be that he confessed to get him the hell out of the Thai court system. The DA just didn't have to do what she did.

[Scout1071]

66. No, I'm not sure you have the story straight.

You are correct that he was detained in Thailand (not arrested) and he confessed while in custody. At that point, DNA was taken, but it was not a valid sample. The DA had no choice but to bring him to Colorado. Could you imagine if the DNA had matched and he somehow got out of murder charges because his lawyers fought the "Thai" sample?

Yes, it sucks that the taxpayer had to pay for him to go from California to Colorado, but they followed legal procedure.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

59. Lynnn, one of my first thoughts concerning Karr was that he needed a

flight back to the US and couldn't afford it.....

[MadHound]

65. Yes, he lied about his involvement, and should face charges for said lie

But it was the choice of the DOJ to fly him back first class, not Karr's. If the DOJ had been smart instead of bowing to media pressure, they would have taken a DNA sample in Thailand, Fed Exed it back to the US for analysis, and if there was no match, leave Karr in Thailand. Instead the DOJ made the decision to amp up the media circus and fly this guy back, even though his story was falling apart before they left the ground. Karr shouldn't pay for that ticket, I'd rather see Gonzalez pay for it, since he is ultimately responsible for the actions of the DOJ.

[LynneSin]

67. His punishment should be shipping him back to Thailand

American jail system is too good for child pornographers, which is what his charge was in Thailand.

[npincus]

70. he emailed that he had the hots for a 6 year-old there...

so I'm glad they flew the sick fuck out of there... he'll be locked up here for child porn charges and will live forever under a microscope.

[retread]

71. Who?? n/t