Most dems I know are not concerned about die-bold voting

[mdmc]

In NYS, Eliot Spitzer and Hillary Clinton are not concerned. Andrew Cuomo and Alan Hevesi are not concerned. My local Board of Election staff is not concerned.

Is there anything to be concerned about? I can't follow the technology, so I am unable to determine if there is a real risk.

I figure that if Bush / Rove are for it, it has to be bad.

So why is it that all the (supercool, true liberal progressives) nutjob Dems fear blackbox voting, while all the rat worm Dinos don't seem to have a problem with die-bold voting?

[Imalittleteapot]

1. They might need it someday??????????

[longship]

2. There's a difference this time.

If the Dems do something on the order of what the Repukes did in 1994 (minus the lies), we could be in tsunami territory this year. The stage is set for such an occurence. All the Dems have to do is play the right role.

Remember, gaming an election is a very risky thing. Changing an occasional Congressional race where a particular Dem candidate is targetted, or effecting the outcome of a single presidential candidate in a state or two, is entirely different than trying to game some dozens of races all across the land. Many of the races are in blue states or where there is no friendly enabler counting the votes.

We need to be very vigilant this election. But consider that it will be extraordinarily difficult task to effect all those races without exposing your hand. The Repukes must know that the risk is going to be much, much higher this time.

[mdmc]

4. but can you really fix those machines?

The dems I talk to say na! But I don't understand the machines or the technology. So I don't know if there is a threat or not. I do understand that it is possible to commit election fraud; is it any easier with die-bold machines?

[longship]

5. Your friend is right.

But even if they f*ck with them the swing of votes might not be sufficient this time. And don't forget, they can't mess with CT, and other areas where the votes are being counted by Dem Secys of State and election comissioners.

One of the main reasons this has worked in 2000, 2002, 2004 is that the elections have been very, very close. Tweaking the votes by 1% is one thing, but anything more than that and people will take to the streets because they will *know* what's going on.

Our best protections are:

1. Put people on the ground.
2. Get news coverage of every incident.
3. Make sure that it isn't close.

[never_get_over_it]

13. I do not believe that it makes a bit of difference

if the elections are close or not. If they are electronically flipping votes and there is absolutely no trace of it what possible difference does it make how close the election is. Because we have Democratic leaders who won't touch this issue with a ten foot poll, we have the same with the MSM and "they" have already planted the seed that exit polling is bogus. Also depending on the voting macines and if there is any paper trail - I don't even think it matters if the Dems are running the elections - all someone has to do is hack into the central tabulator and flip the votes or the machines can be programmed before the election - because the election officials in many places don't even have access to the source code.

These machines are BAD BAD BAD the way they are now...we need receipts for our votes and paper trails and the ability to recount by hand every freaking ballot if necessary.

One thing is for damn sure if they do do this again - If November is not a political blood bath for the repunks we'd better all get our asses to the street because if we don't we are screwed. We should have done it in 2000.

I really wish the Dems would pick key Congressional races and run parallel elections and take this threat seriously...

[William769]

9. Your missing the subliminal message in this post.

"while all the rat worm Dinos".

Some people just don't get it. :eyes:

[electropop]

3. The rat-worm Dinos are fools or in cahoots with the theft.

Be worried. Read the GAO and Conyers reports. Read about the brave Leon County Florida Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, who, with security expert Harri Hursti, showed just how hackable the machines are. It's real trouble.

[RethugAssKicker]

6. They don't want to be seen as tin foil hatters

They're afraid the rethugs will call them conspiracy theorists...


Plus... They feel as though they need rock solid proof.

[Iwasthere]

7. What is with that word

... Conspiracy ?

Go out and find a crowd then say the word conspiracy out loud. Watch people scramble to run away from you. Exaggeration I know, but sure seems like people recoil when they here it doesn't it?

WE ARE BEING CONDITIONED !!!!

[RethugAssKicker]

14. You bet ya'

We are definitely being conditioned.... conditioned to accept whatever BS they tell us.

The way to avoid this conditioning is to STOP watching MSM news.

[lonestarnot]

8. It's easy, even I can do it. I watched Howard Dean do it.

You could do it. Hell yes I'm afraid of those fucking machines.

[kimmerspixelated]

10. It's hard not to be afraid of our future

if we have one at all. It will be refreshing and hopeful if, in Nov. we can win back congress, but by the time 2008 comes around, you have to realize that Kkkarl and co. will have had 4 years to perfect the rigging thing. They probably are paying some computer nerd a large fortune to design the software,etc. Perhaps we should be watching who Kkkarl and co. have regular meetings with. Follow their computer geeks-and expose them and the problem.

[walldude]

11. I'll tell you what really pisses me off about these machines

according to Greg Palast in Armed Madhouse, Hugo Chavez in Venezuala demanded that they get voting machines that give a printout that can be checked and hand counted. He got them. Where did they come from? A company in Florida manufactures them.

[lonestarnot]

12. Isn't that something.

[mdmc]

15. I didn't know that either

I hear that most board of elections staff doesn't want paper - they don't want to have to count.