RW says FOX News reporters committed "the gravest sin known to man"

[kurth]

Converting at Gunpoint
Posted on 08/27/2006 3:53:25 PM PDT by sionnsar

I just learned of the release of the two kidnapped reporters, Steven Centanni Olaf Wiig, in Gaza. We thank God for their release and safety. They reported that they were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint and they complied. The implications of this are profound. A Christian who says any statement against Christ (be it coerced or not) has committed the sin of apostasy. "But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." Matt 10:33.

The Chronicles of the first 500 years of Christianity testify that this was the gravest sin known to man, far worse than sodomy, adultery, murder, etc. because it is a direct act of blasphemy against Christ. It is forgivable, but it is the worst sin because one denies the very channel and mode of forgiveness and salvation, that is Christ Himself.

But my worries are that most Western Christians see no problem with this. "Oh, they didn't really mean it. They were a gunpoint!" All the early martyrs were at "gunpoint," and they refused to speak against Christ, affirm the gods, or confess Caesar as "Lord." St Paul could have "tricked" his persecutors and continued to evangelize the world by getting out of jail free if he had just said to Nero (if even he didn't mean it in his heart), "Yeah, yeah, Nero. You are the Lord. I won't be a Christian anymore." But St Paul did not do this. He refused to act or speak against Christ and instead he bore his neck and allowed his head to be cut off for the glory of Christ. And his witness was magnified.

Everything we do matters. Every single thing and our witness to the world, our evangelism, depends on our steadfast testimony to Christ at all times in all places. If the Muslim sees that we are not willing to die for Christ they will not see that Christ is worth living for.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1691026/posts

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The next FOX News reporter captured will be forced to wear a bomb vest and PROVE that he's a good Muslim...

[acmavm]

1. Wonder if the clown who posted that has the where-with-all

to live up to his own expectations.

Why do I doubt it???????????????????????

[Protagoras]

8. almost makes one wish

he'd have the chance to prove himself, doesn't it.

But I'm not mean enough to really wish it...only to ponder the possibility if that brave soul were to say...enlist.

[ComerPerro]

2. This post coming from a right winger

who won't even enlist to go to Iraq and fight to defend America and defend Christianity.

[jaxx]

3. That's why they're called the right wing...........no sense.

This war of choice has seen enough martyrs.......the reporters were right on. Tell them what they want to hear and get the hell out of dodge.......or in this case, Gaza.

[MindPilot]

19. "Tell them what they want to hear..."

Isn't that basically a Fox News reporter's job description?

[Warpy]

4. Oh, brother!

Gotta love these religious nuts, they're so fixated on death they're forgetting to bother to LIVE.

Any religion that demands martyrdom, the death of others, or forced conversion is a false one.

It's amazing how many people don't get that.

[grytpype]

5. I was wondering when the Freetards were going to catch on.

Luckily the Apostates are with Fox News... can you imagine the noise they would make if they worked for the Liberal Media? I can't bear to think about it.

[The Deacon]

6. There Is A World Of Difference

Between denying Christ to pagans & converting to another Judeo-Christian sect - which Islam ultimately is. Check your Qu'ran - Jesus of Nazareth is in there.

[Marr]

7. More big talk from another internet tough guy.

[walldude]

9. Well the list of words that can be used to describe this poster

is endless. Words like, Coward, Chickenhawk, hypocrite, moran. So the faux news guys should have let their heads be cut off for the glory of Christ? Words like idiot, asshole, and jackass don't do this guy any justice.

[Ganja Ninja]

10. Good Lord! What a bunch of mindless jackasses.

These people have no life at all.

[bluerum]

11. morans. morans all.

[SutaUvaca]

12. Wel now, that could stir up some heated debate

among fundies anyway. Some, like a lot of the other posters on that freerepub thread, will be more open minded (forgiving?) but to many a fundie, this is a serious deal, especially I reckon as it ties in to endtime doings - your "day of reckoning" and all. Do you stand with us or deny the christ and be cast from us good company of the good guys, etc.

[Swamp Rat]

13. LOLOLOL!!!!!

:rofl:

[AnnInLa]

14. Most of the RW sites I looked at are dismissing

the "conversions" as being forced. And, they are dismissing the Arab-looking robes the men were forced to wear. I find their celebration for the release appropriate, but can't help contrasting that to the way they treated Jill ? from the Christian Science Monitor when she was released. They were sure that the words she was forced to say and the way she was dressed was proof that she was a terrorist sympathizer. Does anyone find the RW reaction to both slightly hypocritical?

[BlooInBloo]

24. I don't recall them being nearly so forgiving...

... when it was that lady a few months back (I forget her name) - or some of the beheading victims...

Their forgiveness begins and ends with the FR membership rolls.

[Nickster]

30. Jill Carroll. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

31. That's her - thanks!

[Richard Steele]

15. This idiot talks pretty tough when the gun is against someone ELSES head.

Why isn't he in Iraq showin' them A-Rabs how much
he supports Jesus' Holy Oil Grab?

Because he's a cowardly, dishonest little chickenshit
who tries to conceal his yellow belly with a big
steaming pile of juvenile tough-talk, maybe?

[chat_noir]

16. battling it out here, too

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1691374/posts

I'd like to have a Candid Camera episode of pretend Muslims kidnapping CMS and Grig showing them wetting their pants.

A fellow FReeper did call CMS on his braggadocio:

To: CMS
Keyboard hero.



36 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)

[pepperbear]

17. why can't they move to another planet....

how about at least believe whatever the fuck you want to believe...but maybe not hurry to make it the law that others must believe it also.

oh and by the way, you'd have your head on the ground, fucknut, if you hadn't "converted"...somehow I doubt it though. monday morning quarterbacks seldom follow through.

[saracat]

18. WTF? How does he even know the reporters were "Christian"

to begin with? How does he know they committed apostasy? Does he take for granted anyone who works for Fox is a fundie? Geez Louise this sickens me.I suppose the ME Fox team that quit have no chance of redemption. I think they may have been Muslim.Statements like this make the Rapture seem appealing. I would be relieved to see them all taken up and out of the way. If this is what is going to be raptured, I want no part of it.

[jackster]

27. My thoughts exactly....

if the spiritual backgrounds of the journalists were unknown, how completely arrogant and ignorant to assume they were Christian.

[MindPilot]

20. Do we know for certain the reporters were Christian?

If they were maybe atheist (probably wouldn't be working for Fox) or Wiccan, or any number of don't-think-jesus-is-god religions, then they committed no sin.

[stop the bleeding]

21. "the gravest sin known to man"??? They were getting BJ's from Monica?? n/t

[Jacobin]

22. HolyWarHolyWarHolyWar

Getcher Holy War right here, right now!

Why aren't these FreepFreaks ALL over in IraqNam fighting the nasty old muslims?

I wanna know!!

[damntexdem]

23. Hey, they're Faux News reporters: no reason not to be faux Muslims.

But, then, the faux Christians will never understand this.

[quiet.american]

25. Somebody tell this idiot the Qur'an includes stories of Jesus Christ

I don't profess to be proficient in the Qur'an, but I know enough to know there are passages in the Qur'an which speak of Jesus Christ with reverence and respect.

What a fool that poster is.

[The Stranger]

26. Christian Martyrs! Muslim Martyrs! Oh my!

[azurnoir]

28. I guess Sainthood and Martyrdom

just ain't what they used to be. Imagine denouncing the religion of beer and baby back ribs, the nerve.

[Sapphocrat]

29. That's rich.

Threaten those cowards with so much as a spanking unless they renounced Christianity, and they wouldn't merely deny Jesus -- they'd trample one another in the rush to nail him back on the cross.

[warrens]

32. These people are allowed to vote

It's terrifying that these lunatics are even allowed to open their mouths like that, much less be taken seriously by some.

Like Lenny Bruce said, about selling out your country, "I would never, never, never sell out my country!! Hey, why are you sticking that funnel up George's ass? What's with the boiling hot lead? OK< whattaya wanna know?"

[Geoff R. Casavant]

33. I gotta say from a scriptural point of view he's right

Apostasy has always been the number one big sin, and in the Talmud it's the only sin that can't be committed to save a life. I'm not saying that's right, just that's what it says.

He also exposes the hypocrisy of the RWers who insist on "following scripture" when it suits them but never fail to make an excuse if convenient.

I expect he would do the same if he were in the reporters' shoes, and he would find a way to weasel out of the scripture he just quoted, but that doesn't change his point that scripturally speaking he's on point.

[knitter4democracy]

37. He's also right historically.

We lost many in the first few centuries who faced horrible torture and death for not renouncing their faith.

He's making a huge assumption that those men were Christians, but if they were, they shouldn't have renounced their faith. I do agree with that.

[schmuls]

34. Three thoughts: 1) Why assume the reporters were Christian in the

first place, 2) I don't believe the Jesus as Christians know him isn't so stupid and unforgiving as to take it as an affront to him, and 3) Whatever happened to the commandment "Thou Shall Not Lie", how hypocritical to support * and overlook every lie that comes out of his traitorous mouth!?!

[Jack Rabbit]

35. I have one thing to say to that Freeper

Sir, if you are reading this, I will try to put this as gently as possible: Go to Hell.

[TheFriedPiper]

36. religion is the antithesis to reason and accurate information

no matter which cult a person joins

[SidDithers]

38. Does he have an e-mail addy? I'd like to commit apostasy...

in a short note to him. :evilgrin:

Sid

[Rex]

39. Wow, all that techno-babble about mode and channel

yet freepers can't spell moron. Being a freeper is the greatest sin!