What happens when Russia and China Veto any U.S. action against Iran?

[berni_mccoy]

Russia and China are both permanent members of the U.N. Security Council. In all liklihood, they will veto any U.S. initiated U.N. action against Iran. There will be no U.N. sanctions, there will be no U.N. action. What will BushCo do? Will they bring together a non-U.N. group to wage another illegal war against Iran? Will the U.S. Congress rubber stamp any action? Will the U.S. Congress even be asked to approve military force?

More importantly... will China call in it's U.S. owed debts and will Russia aid Iran in its defense?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

1. My guess is...

We'll defy the U.N. again and go it alone. And if World War III breaks out...we'll be alone. :scared:

[bananarepublican]

21. Al Queada will set of a nuke-briefcase in Moscow and Beijing! n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Welcome to DU, J.P. Kathy. But I don't believe it will straight

aggression.

Another 9-11 here or Israel (with the U.S. coming to Israel's defense if the latter). Then it LOOKS like we're "fighting back".

I've seen this movie before . . .

[paparush]

3. Can't the Pres act without oversight for 30 days or something? THEN, he

has to go to Congress for their rubber stamp..

30 days is plenty long to air strike, tact nuke, etc....

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. They will reach into the distant past to find some UN resolution

that Iran is not complying with and say it gives them the authority they need, even without a 'second vote'. Kinda like they did with Iraq. They will organize a Coalition of the Bribed, headed by Togo, and demand immediate compliance to completely unreasonable demands, on threat of attack.

[Cosmocat]

11. YEP ...

I think they have been DYING for a reason to go at Iran since about the time Seymore Hersh broke it, knowing that there is a great chance they will lose their opportunity next January IF we can win back one side of congress ...

But, I think, as stunning as this concept is, that the military has fought them on it, and they know that the public support just was not there ... BUT, look at the noise in the MSM the last month or two ... REAL similar to Iraq ... They are REALLY trumping up how grave of a threat Iran is ...

However, with the very real possibility that democrats can win a majority in one or both sides of congress, I think these guys now are under the pressure of doing it prior to then, with the added caveat that if they can't let a terror attack happen on our soil, starting another military action will give them the "we can't change during a military action" campaign theme ...

This admin is seeing the end, a little over two years to act out their PNAC wetdreams, and even worse, having a congress that might actually do investigations ... They ARE desperate ...

[warrens]

5. We're already trying to find allies to do it unilaterally

Since we're too weakened by Iraq to do anything about it ourselves. Heckuva job you're doing, Chimpy.

[Totallybushed]

6. There is no doubt.

:nuke:

[bobthedrummer]

7. Moreover, Russia and China and their regional allies are conducting

"war games" in the vicinity of Iran.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060824&articleId=3056

Btw, so is Iran
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WES20060826&articleId=3076

Economic warfare has been going on for a while, there is nothing left but manipulation backing the dollar imo.

[madrchsod]

8. not a dam thing the usa can do about it

no one listens to the school yard bully anymore...

[enigma000]

9. Can China call in the debts?

I don't believe US debt is structured like that.

[berni_mccoy]

12. It most certainly can. Here are the consequences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt#Consequences_of_foreign_ownership_of_U.S._debt

U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2004, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public. About 64% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries. A large portion was held by the central banks of Japan and China, although, most was held by members of the EU. This exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either bank will stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily. In fact, the debt held by Japan reached a maximum in August of 2004 and has fallen nearly 3% since then.

On 3 August 2006, Italy's central bank announced that it would sell off a large portion of its dollar holdings (including US Treasury bonds) and instead shift to British Pound Sterling. The reason Italy gave for doing out of fear of an "expected slide in the dollar." Russia, Sweden, and the United Arab Emirates had announced similar shifts out of the dollar into other curriences and gold earlier and cited the United States's "twin deficits" (i.e. the US trade deficit as well as it's budget deficit) as the reason for the expected fall in the dollar's value.

[elocs]

15. When you get in deeply enough with someone, you become partners.

The same goes for countries. China and the U.S. are economic partners. They buy our debt, we buy their stuff and send them our jobs. China could kneecap us, but they can't do it without hurting themselves. China could turn the screws without totally damaging our economy. That being said, we would be fools to go into Iran without China's support. It's probably a lock then.

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Unilateral pre-emptive strike from the gang that knows more than anyone

else on the planet.

[lonestarnot]

13. All out throw down is coming folks.

[catmandu57]

14. Does anyone believe

That if they trow nukes at Iran we'll escape unscathed? I don't of the wprld doesn't turn it's back on us and there isn't sleeper cells all over the country ready for revenge I'll jump up out of this chair and run a marathon.
Anyone who has seen me try to be mobile will know that's not likely.

[FormerDem06]

16. China and Russia are already blocking action in Darfur...

They'll block action on Iran too. If we go after Iran without being attacked, our citizens should rise up. There is no reason to that at this time IMO. Just wait a few years and Israel and Iran will remove each other from World History.

And as long as China gets it oil, people in the Sudan will continue to die day after day after day.

[berni_mccoy]

17. China/Russia have not blocked any U.N. Resolutions on Darfur

They said they would block a resolution put forth by Bolton, but his resolution never made it to the Security Council. Why not? Because it put sanctions on FOUR INDIVIDUALS, and not the country of Sudan. Sanctions against individuals would be impossible to enforce without putting them on the parent country itself. If you want to know who really is blocking action against Darfur, it is the Bush Administration. And they apply typical Rovian tactics: put forth fake resolutions that they know will not pass but make it look like they are the ones wanting to do it.

[FormerDem06]

18. No, I hate to say it, but China is blocking any UN action

First read some of this:

http://www.sudanreeves.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=115

and then this article from August 10th.

reprinted from the wall street journal

http://www.genocideintervention.net/about/press/coverage/index.php/archives/150

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It is an unholy alliance. The U.N. imposed an arms embargo when it became apparent that the Government of Sudan’s military actions in Darfur were overwhelmingly directed against helpless civilians. And yet China continues to supply Khartoum with assault helicopters, armored vehicles and small arms. Last August, Beijing sold 212 military trucks to Khartoum. Chinese oil company airstrips in southern Sudan have been used by government forces to conduct bombing raids on villages and hospitals. A U.N. investigation conducted this year determined that the vast majority of weaponry used to attack civilians across Darfur is of Chinese origin.
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Thanks to this relationship, Sudan has purchased the best protection in the world: a veto-wielding member on the U.N. Security Council willing to ensure that Khartoum’s campaign of human destruction in Darfur can continue.

The U.N. measures that have been passed have been hopelessly enfeebled by Beijing. In July 2004, China watered down a bill that would have demanded that Khartoum prosecute militiamen accused of atrocities, removing language that threatened sanctions. They did so again in September 2004, when — in a U.S.-sponsored resolution — a commitment that the U.N. “will take” punitive action was replaced with an impotent “shall consider” wording. In April, when the Security Council considered targeted sanctions on Khartoum’s leadership, China withdrew their strenuous veto threats in the face of mounting international pressure, but only after ensuring that the list was stripped of all high-level officials.

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On May 16, the Security Council finally voted on a resolution that compelled Sudan to admit a U.N. peacekeeping assessment mission. China withdrew its veto threat only after the resolution had been gutted of key language that would have allowed some U.N. peacekeepers from a force already in southern Sudan to move to Darfur. And they did so with an explicit declaration from China’s Deputy Permanent Representative to the U.N., Zhang Yishan, that their vote “should not be construed as a precedent for the Security Council’s future discussion or the adoption of new resolutions against Sudan.”

That promise has given Khartoum virtual immunity from any repercussions as it proceeds with its genocidal ambitions in Darfur. China is underwriting the first genocide of the 21st Century, and using their political weight to ensure that it is not stopped. How can we accept that?
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[oblivious]

19. Watch the headlines and listen to the shills.

If they're quiet, they're gonna let it go.

It dire headlines hit the front page, the shills start filling all available slots on the news channels, and the warmongers on Democratic Underground ratchet up their shrillness a couple of octaves, then wars a'comin.

[Eugene]

20. Another "coalition of the willing."

U.S. May Skirt U.N. on Iranian Nuclear Program

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2476172

Original article: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran26aug26,0,2595288.story?coll=la-home-headlines

The Bushies have never let matters like legitimacy get in their way.

[Disturbed]

22. China/Dafur- "How can we accept that?"

By "we" do you mean DUers, Dems, Repugs, etc. or the Busholini Regime?

China's Govt.does not care one bit about people of other countries. China's Govt. operates for the benefit of their elite just as most countries' Govt.s do, incl. the US Govt.