Just watched "Why We Fight" and I am LIVID.

[BeHereNow]

I resisted watching it for a LONG time because I knew
it would make me furious.
I was wrong, I am beyond furious, I am psychotic with RAGE.

It really should be required watching for all Americans.
We are in the grips of mad men.
Rummy
Cheney
Bush Sr
Wolfowitz
Perle
Cambone

ALL of them, and many others of their ilk are
repsonsible for the destruction of our country.
Not to mention our criminal congress critters.

The military industrial complex is indeed running
our country and our military with the complicity of the
most corrupt congress in the history of the US.

And the worst part?
They don't care how many people die.
Not for a minute.
They don't care about innocent civilians or
US service men and women, much less you or me.

Rant over.
BHN

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. is it out on DVD yet?

I wanna get pissed off too!

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. I'd also like to know

Thanks

[BeHereNow]

5. I don't know- I saw it on TV.

I never watch TV, but a friend told me it
was available as a pay movie on our cable service,
so I thought, "What the hell? I want to see it...even if it does
make me more furious than I already am."

Well, it did just that- it is a must see.
Pretty much everything DUers with brains already know-
but put together in such a way as to make it all
one big picture of just how FUBAR it has gotten.

You might want to have a drink before you watch it
as to not throw something at your television
when Cheney and Rumsfeld are on screen.
William Kristol too, I'm thinking HE might be the anti-christ.
What a SCARY freak he is.
A

[Protagoras]

7. I got mine through Netflix so yep it is on DVD

nt

[Pirate Smile]

12. It is on the On Demand movie list most cable companies now have up.

[Bozita]

21. CBC's Newsworld is showing it this week, iirc -- and, a link to ...

... a 695mb download of the documentary.

http://www.chomskytorrents.org/

Enjoy!

I just checked. CBC Newsworld will show it on Sunday, Sept 10 at 10pm EDT.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/whywefight.html

[LibertyorDeath]

31. Thanx Bozita !

:toast:

[liberalla]

47. I ordered it from Amazon, and

Buzzflash has it in their store also.

[Lisa]

50. yes -- I donated 2 copies to our public library

Thought more folks would like to see it ...

[BlueJac]

3. The Neo-Cons

They could careless about Americans, If your are not outraged you are not paying attention! Way to say it!
\

[Initech]

4. I've resisted watching documentaries like this for the same reason

[BeHereNow]

9. Trust me, you must see this one.

It becomes painfully clear where we
are headed.
Congress is not going to save us.
Our "elected" reperesentatives are not going to save us.
We are going to be very much on our own, like Katrina victims.

They fully intend to continue "all war, all the time"
for the rest of our lives.

They are assured that the collapse of the economy
and dismal future facing young people today will
provide a never ending source of soldiers to carry out their
agenda.

And, they are most likely right.

They have designed it all perfectly.
"We have lost the Republic," as Chalmers Johnson
says in the movie.

BHN

[Initech]

15. Now I have to see this movie

I may have to buy it since the closest video store is a crappy mom-and-pop store that only stocks the most recent high-budget releases.

[knowbody0]

6. and where the Bush family made its fortune

What a sick and sorry mess

[Rex]

8. The last real Republican President.

"Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ike warned us long ago, there is no excuse for what goes on in American Politics. None.

[LibertyorDeath]

10. Got it burned to my hard drive & your right it should be

required viewing for all.

It's one hell of a rigged game they have going.
It can't go on indefinitely though.

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/6823996/review/9166284/why_we_fight

[BeHereNow]

11. At least one day, people will understand how we got here-

If for no other reason, that is why I think every person
in this country should be required to watch it.

Especially the bushbot fucktards who thought all of this
was about free-to be dumb and de-mock-racy.

BHN

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Except this isn't a problem limited to Republicans

As much as I would trade Bill Clinton for George Bush in a heartbeat, he armed more nations than any president before him by modifications to the commerce and state dept roles for arms trade

http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/

[Rex]

14. It is a cold war problem, that was allowed to grow and prosper.

Now they have 'terror' to replace the Ruskies. Anything to keep the money train going.

[BeHereNow]

19. Agreed- which is what the film makes so clear-

Clinton-bots have no more clue than the bush-bots in
my mind.
Yes, life was seemingly more quiet under the Clinton years,
but the fact is, the Clintons were setting the stage for
what we have now under the Cheney/Rumsfeld corporate
owned Congress. I believe the Clintons are every bit
as responsible as the rest of the thugs.
They just fucked us with a smile, that's all.
Cheney fucks us with a sneer.
No difference in the "end result" of
being screwed.
Ms. Clinton sat on the board of Walmart
for six years- she knew what was coming as
far as the destruction of family owned businesses.
She helped orchestrate it.

On a personal note-
How are you my friend?
Long time no see or talk.
I start back to work tomorrow,
but weekend are open...hint-hint.
Love you-
BHN
On edit- needed to use spell check cause I'm in a hurry~

[LibertyorDeath]

32. Great Post!

So many don't want to face this but it's exactly where things stand.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. I'm good. Just got back from a trip to Catalina Island

went to the west side of the island for some nice waves. It was wonderful. Even though it's so close, it's a little piece of paradise in the Pacific.

Let me know when you want to get together. I am sure "dog" misses me. :D

[BeHereNow]

38. Can you believe this?

I have lived here for nearly 24 years and NEVER
been to Catalina?
Glad you got to go!
I would like to, but have never put a trip together.
thanks for reminding me I want to.

And yes, "Dog" was asking about you just the other day...
She was wondering if it was something she didn't say
and wanted me to remind you that she can't actually talk-
I told her I would let you know that she loves you since she
hasn't mastered the typing thing yet either.
:loveya:
BHN

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

39. Funny, given your answering machine message (re: dog)

I'll gladly take you to Catalina! We can go on a daytrip if we leave early/

[BeHereNow]

40. LOL! The answering machine indeed!

Unfortunately, neither Dog or the husband is
very reliable about giving me my messages...
SO call me on the cell number, I don't get half
of the house phone messages.
Still got my cell number?
Dog can't answer the cell, and neither
can the husband.
Only reliable way to reach me is my cell.

And I would love to do Catalina with you.
Can't think of better company for my first trip there.

BHN

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. Will do

I can't think of better company for my NNNNNN'th trip there :D

[FlavaKreemSnak]

43. Yes I think it is more of a business decision

Because if you read about it, going back even to a long time ago, it is always really just about some companies doing stuff to increase their profits. And to some of us maybe we look at it and say well it is wrong but the companies will say no it is right because we made all this money and look how for every ten million dollars we made, we gave you like 3 or 4 dollars so you should not be complaining.

But the thing is that not very many people complain, and now with the war on terror anybody who does is considered a terrorist sympathizer. So even fewer people want to complain because who wants to be considered that? Because that could mean problems with your job, and your school, and even your family. And I know what I am talking about because I think my dad considers me a terrorist sympathizer and I have not really told him hardly any of my opinions but just even the smallest hint that maybe my point of view is different is enough to make him mad and start talking about people defending our freedom. So I don't tell him that I don't think that is what they are defending at all.

But the money is so much, and the companies are so powerful, and now with the war on terror stuff they have fixed it so that even fewer people will disagree with them, and like you just said, it was not like a whole lot of people were disagreeing with them before so who is going to stop them?

[BeHereNow]

49. "...so who is going to stop them?" THAT is the question!

When our so called representatives are beholden
to appeasing the corporate masters of war,
WHO IS going to stop them???

We have no representation.
The voice of WE, the PEOPLE, has effectively
been silenced due to the GREED of the people
sitting in the seats of the executive and legislative branches.

BHN

[LibertyorDeath]

37. Great point

[Reckon]

16. I agree... until something changes, we call it "mock-racy"..... nt

[LibertyorDeath]

18. This is the only place I can still find it for free

You need real player or at least real player plug in
spread it around.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm

It's truly amazing how Controlled America is now.
That also seems true of Britain under blair.
This horror show will come to it's conclusion at some point in the mean time
spread the word I'm not sure what else to do.

Good to see you BHN ......

[BeHereNow]

20. Good to see you too-

And yeah, the REAL axis of evil is
in our own back yard in the MIC, which is
American led, but now global in its reach-
the world bank, the IMF- all of 10 of them (the global elite)
contolling the future of the other billions of human beings.

BHN

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. THANK YOU!

watching now...

[BeHereNow]

25. If you're watching now-

You might want to chill a bottle
of wine for later...
Just saying.
BHN

[LibertyorDeath]

29. Or a 26 of Vodka...

:)

[BeHereNow]

34. Yikes- Kinda-sleezy and Rummy are SCARY in that pic!

They look like gargoyles; guarding
one of the circles of hell...
BHN

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. I've already had one...

pouring a second on your recommendation.

[BeHereNow]

36. Ah yes, the second one- I HIGHLY recommend it.

"Why We Fight" will raise your blood pressure
beyond one glass of wine.
Trust me.
I had 4.
Before I could move on with getting
ready for tomorrow.
I am really starting to wonder-
"What's the point of anything if this is what we are facing?"
Everything we grew up believing in America
simply is no longer true.
We have lost our country to the MIC that Eisenhower
tried to warn us about...
I really don't know how we are going to get her back.
I really don't.
Especially when so many people really do
not understand WHAT the REAL problem is.


BHN

[LibertyorDeath]

27. Anytime!

pass it on....

[The2ndWheel]

17. Can't give me a decade

where we haven't been involved in some type of war somewhere. Prior to 1900, it was domestic. Obviously the British are thrown in there, but they were the ones trying to keep an empire at the time. Around 1900, the US starts to expand beyond the shores.

I haven't seen the documentary, but I'd like to. Won't go out of my to see it though. I know we've been an expanding center of power from day 1. We were built to be an empire. There's nothing anyone can do about that. You can write all the rules and regulations you want, it's not going to stop it. We're not the largest superpower just because we're America. Plenty of factors contribute. Right place and the right time, historical factors, geography, climate. Not saying we haven't worked hard at it. It's just that this is what we've always been.

[LibertyorDeath]

23. Big Rec!

Why We Fight
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm

[BeHereNow]

28. Thanks for the link! Everyone should see this film ASAP!

Especially those thinking the elections
are gonna turn it around...
Think again.

The ONLY way to turn it around is to
completely CLEAN the HOUSES of the
complicit and corrupt politicians,
and to find a way to provide our young
people a way to survive without enlisting
in the military.

From my perspective, after watching the film-
THOSE are the battles that WE, the people
must fight and WIN.

I don't know if the average American is
prepared to do what it is going to take to
get our country back from the masters of war.

BHN

[LibertyorDeath]

33. You said it all right here...

"Clinton-bots have no more clue than the bush-bots in
my mind.
Yes, life was seemingly more quiet under the Clinton years,
but the fact is, the Clintons were setting the stage for
what we have now under the Cheney/Rumsfeld corporate
owned Congress. I believe the Clintons are every bit
as responsible as the rest of the thugs.
They just fucked us with a smile, that's all.
Cheney fucks us with a sneer.
No difference in the "end result" of
being screwed.
Ms. Clinton sat on the board of Walmart
for six years- she knew what was coming as
far as the destruction of family owned businesses.
She helped orchestrate it."

"They just fucked us with a smile"

Indeed!

[EFerrari]

24. I've already been there for so long. But, I'll go see.

Courage.

:hug:

[BeHereNow]

26. Courage ideed! Nerves of steel will be required

to survive what we are facing.
Nerves of steel and a tolerance
for eating Ramen noodles night and day.
Unless you want to enlist and eat
Halliburton meals.

Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the
film after you watch it.
In advance-
:hug:
Trust me, you'll need a hug after watching
it.
BHN

[rman]

42. can not be recommended to often

[earth mom]

44. Late night K & R!

Thanks for the info...will rent the DVD this week!

[autorank]

45. Don't forget the Complicit Corporate Media!!! n/t K&R

[earth mom]

46. Kick!

:kick:

[chat_noir]

48. Eugene Jarecki interview - The Daily Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMpM-YR72Y

Serendipitously found this yesterday.

[Stardust]

51. I saw it at the theater. The producer, Eugene Jarecki, was there for

a Q&A afterwords. The theater was probably half full. I wanted to drag everyone I know to see it, but drag is the operative word here. Unfortunately, most people I know don't want to know about this stuff, or they already know and don't want to know more. It is extremely discouraging to realize that our country in on an inexorable and destructive path. And all our piety and wit cannot change a word of it, to paraphrase Khalil Gibran.

[GETPLANING]

52. Watch it for free on Google Video

Then watch "The Power of Nightmares", a BBC three part series. One of the most educational films I have ever seen.
Then watch "Terror Storm", by Alex Jones. I first took Alex Jones to be a radical nutcase, boy was I wrong. He's spot on.
Then watch "Loose Change", well done film listing all the "coincidence theories" around 9-11.