Kristol: College Guys Are ‘Very Happy’ About Plan B Approval

[Canuckistanian]

From Think Progress:

Kristol: College Guys Are ‘Very Happy’ About Plan B Approval Because ‘The Burden Is Totally Off Them’

This week, after three years of delay, the Bush administration finally approved the sale of Plan B (a.k.a. “the morning after pill”) to women over 18 without a prescription.

This morning on Fox News, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that college men are “very happy” that Plan B will now be sold over-the-counter because they can have “a wild night” and “the burden is off them.”

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Transcript:

KRISTOL: I don’t know, I came into Fox this morning and one of our younger colleagues who works here, a guy just out of college a couple of years, said all his friends in who are still college are very happy about this — all his guy friends, his male friends who are still in college are happy about this. They have a wild night. Precautions aren’t taken. The burden is now totally off them. They tell their girlfriend to go out and get this drug and no problems at all. And I don’t think that’s a very good thing for the the country.

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Scientific evidence does not support Kristol’s claim that Plan B increases promiscuity. A 2002 study in the British Medical Journal found “there is no evidence that access to emergency contraceptives has any discernible effect on teen sexual activity.” Dr. Vivian M. Dickerson, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, says emergency contraception “does not increase promiscuity among teenaged women, nor does it cause women to abandon their regular birth control methods.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/27/kristol-plan-b/

[annabanana]

1. Seat belts encourage reckless driving

look it up
:sarcasm:

[UrbScotty]

10. Good comeback! (nt)

[Canuckistanian]

16. Ha! Good one

And smoke alarms make people more likely to start fires indoors.

[Turbineguy]

25. Well,

there is an argument that by making dangerous things safe, you make them more dangerous. People reduce their caution level.

Case in point: yesterday I went to get some gas and a guy parked his car by a pump, got out, wedged his lit cigarette in the car's doorframe about 4 ft from the gas nozzles and went into the shop for something.

I left the scene (I did not inspect his car for a Bush/Cheney o4 bumpersticker!). I did not hear an explosion.

When I worked for the government (on ships) there were caution signs everywhere. After I went to commercial ships, at first my head was festooned with bumps and sores from bumping into things without caution signs.

But none of this has to do with the Plan B thing, which is a good thing in my view.

[RonHack]

28. On the other hand.....

....seat belts and air bags COMBINED protect you in an accident the most.

Oh sure, she has a way out of a pregnancy, but what about STDs (sexually transmitted diseases)?

Last I checked, the whole business about promiscuous sex was focused mostly on whether either partner has AIDs, or other nasty morning-after viral "surprises".

I can't believe that these "college guys" ever went to their classes. So much for higher education.

[Kailassa]

42. Those college guys don't exist,

it's just a lazy fabrication to support his view
that women shouldn't be allowed birth control.

[RB TexLa]

32. I hate seatbelts n/t

[Yupster]

39. I've always used them and always will

but it still bugs me that the government thinks it has the right to mandate them.

[FUGW]

35. Taxes discourage people from making lots of money.

[LittleClarkie]

63. We need an example more after the fact, I think.

Like...

Taking cough medicine after you get sick promotes colds

[Rainscents]

2. Fundies are not gonna be happy!

Hehehe... Whatever make Fundies psst, I am happy!

[Dogmudgeon]

27. Don't be too sure of that

A lot of Fundies are fond of hot, dirty, un-Biblical sex.

A lot of Fundies are also at the point where they are ready to kick their hypocritical pastors in the collective ass.

Jesus said "love one another"; the politicians and pastors said "shame on you!" Who do you trust?

:evilgrin:

--p!

[unblock]

3. they never seemed to care about incentives regarding the "death" tax!

:evilgrin:

[Kickoutthejams23]

6. HA

:rofl:

[IntiRaymi]

4. So now the neocon wants babies for his wars.

Let the assembly line of the people continue producing fodder for his gods of war.

[Ken Burch]

67. Which reminds me...

The Progressive Magazine's "No Comment" section, during the first Gulf War, reported that pro-lifers somewhere in the Midwest were carrying signs saying "Support Our Unborn Troops".

[Nikki Stone 1]

5. Amazing how even a women's medicine is most vital for its effect on men!

Can't we even have our own goddamned pill, Dumbass Kristol?

[lukasahero]

65. Wonderfully astute observation. eom

[Maat]

7. Kristol is SO full of baloney!

What I learned from my social worker days is the following: in the instances in which a man in his twenties, for example, had a relationship with a sixteen- or seventeen-year-old, it was the male who wanted his female partner to carry the pregnancy to term, showing absolutely no understanding of the consequences to both of their lives. The female usually made the decision of whether or not the pregancy was going forward, based upon the financial and social circumstances, in addition to what reproductive services were available. Of course, I'm not talking about college students or college-bound students. Moreover, it's just from MY experiences in poverty-stricken areas (with more middle-class-ish parts around).

The clients I worked with will think that having Plan B is a lifesaver - because they frequently do not have proper or timely access to medical practitioners!

So, I guess, my point is that when people like Kristol say that older men will take advantage of younger females because this is available - well, that's just malarky! It never stopped them (many of them rich, white, male Republicans, of creating a crisis situation before - the lack of easier access to it). That's not what Kristol is saying here, but it is a related contention, and he has said it elsewhere (along with those "Concerned Women of America").

[Eric J in MN]

8. I think Bill Kristol was referring to when two college students

...who are about the same age have sex.

[Maat]

17. Yes, Sir, I know he was.

He just has no credibility with me, to say the least.

It's no joy for a female to have to go ingest a bunch of hormones, and my guess is her partner knows that. I'm doubting that the easier availability of Plan B is going to be THE CAUSE of oodles and oodles of increased wild and abandoned sexual encounters.

I hope I'm expressing my incredulous feelings correctly.

I guess I'm saying this latest propaganda push from the Scaife-funded right is not ringing true one bit.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. So it's bad for college guys to be happy? huh?

:shrug:

[beam me up scottie]

12. No, it's bad for them to think they're not responsible for birth control.

That should be obvious.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

40. uh can't the woman make him be responsible

no matter what he "thinks"?

"No condom no sex" will work every time

[beam me up scottie]

59. Nobody can "make" someone else learn responsibility.

Insisting on condom use is good practice, but kids need to be taught responsibility before they're old enough to use them.

Even if the girl doesn't make her partner wear one, he's still responsible.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Of course. But that's not what Kristol is after, is it?

He wants fewer options, as if the availability of birth control causes people to be irresponisble about it. He's full of shit, and his real aim is pouring a little tabasco sauce into the shorts of his Right-Wing Theocratic base, getting the people who want to put an end to all this rampant fucking all hot and bothered.

Yes, both partners should be responsible for birth control, be able to talk about it, use it, and able to GET ACCESS to it when they need it. Kristol -asshat that he is- is speaking out in opposition to that, trying to get middle america to collectively wet themselves with a bit of the old "It's ten o'clock- did you know that your kids are fucking right now?"

That should be obvious, too.

[beam me up scottie]

53. 'scuse the hell out of me for advocating responsibility.

Why that would bother anyone here is beyond me.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. What's irresponsible is trying to limit people's birth control options.

I doubt that you're doing that, but Bill Kristol is.

[beam me up scottie]

56. And you felt it necessary to inform me of that because?

I'm still not getting what your problem with my post is.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. I dunno. Figure out how the poster you responded to was advocating

irresponsibility, and maybe we can draw a direct line of logic through the whole thread.

[beam me up scottie]

58. That would have been when he inferred we had a problem with college boys

being "happy" because we took issue with Kristol's article.

Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-27-06 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
9. So it's bad for college guys to be happy? huh?

beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-27-06 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. No, it's bad for them to think they're not responsible for birth control.
That should be obvious.

Clear enough now?

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I think the original poster was taking just as much issue with the article

as everyone else. In your original response, it sounded to me like you were defending it, albeit obliquely.

But I think we're all on the same page.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm thrilled that Plan B will be available over the counter, but that in no way removes the burden of using effective birth control from men OR women.

Both parties are responsible for preventing unwanted pregnancies.

[nosmokes]

13. Kristol's a knob.n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

14. I guess that just goes to show that the "college guys" that Kristol knows

are totally irresponsible. He implies that Plan B now gives all college guys permission to revert back to being three-year-olds. What a total ass.

In this day and age, pregnancy is the least of the problems that can result from unprotected sex. So those idiots who are so happy that they can now foist the responsibility for birth control on the women they have sex with, are pretty stupid to begin with. Kristol must hang out with some pretty dumb "college guys".

If men were aware of and made sure to have safe sex (Condoms), for their own sake as well as that of their partner, the need for Plan B would diminish greatly, except in emergencies.

[yardwork]

38. I noticed that they guys are "some of our younger colleagues at Fox"

I'm not surprised that the morans who work at Fox News are high-fiving one another at yet another opportunity to avoid responsibility. Sounds just like them.

[kiki]

15. Wow...

"Scientific evidence does not support (insert lying fascist scumbag's bullshit claim here)."

Surely this will become THE catchphrase of the early 21st century in America - right next to "No one could have predicted...".

[SalmonChantedEvening]

18. "a guy just out of college a couple of years, said "

Another version of "some people say"

Kristol sets up yet another strawman and sets it on fire.

Ho-freakin-hum Bill, this gettin' tedious.

[Skittles]

22. YOU KNOW IT SALMON

in real life you'd have to search long and hard (no pun intended there) to find a college guy "thrilled" over this development and if you did find one the rat bastard would be a young republican - yes INDEED

[Canuckistanian]

19. And knowing Kristol, those 'college guys' were Young Republicans

Young, stupid, misogynistic and horny.

Now there's a bad combination.

[BrklynLiberal]

21. ROTFLMAO!

[ovidsen]

20. Not just the guys

Why, the always impartial and august (please note sarcasm) NY Times hints (wink wink) this'll help all those "Sex & the City" gals live it up!!:

Micaela Bernal, 20, who was shopping in the Boerum Hill section of Brooklyn, said she had used the pill once before, but had to wait three hours at an emergency room to get it because the Planned Parenthood clinic was closed.

The visit cost her $300 and she felt nauseated for nearly a month after taking the pill.

Knowing a backup is available over the counter, she said, might make her more likely to have unprotected sex.

“Some girls are probably going to get careless,” she said. “If I didn’t get so sick I would use it more often.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/26/nyregion/26morning.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

By golly, we'll soon see women having impromptu, unprotected sex just so they can enjoy the aches and nausea that generally accompany massive doses of hormones! And the HECK with the threat of herpes, HPV, AIDS....

Okay, sarcasm's off now. Just WATCH the fundies pick up on this.

[SpiralHawk]

23. Young republicons celebrate chance to be irresponsible

following the lead of their hero George AWOL Bush, notorious screw off who takes responsibility for none of his actions.

republicons are lacking in honor.

[jobycom]

24. Ah, so women are going to sleep with this happy college guys because

it makes the guys happy? Women, it must be assumed by Bill Kristol, will just do any damn thing a college guy tells them to do. It's up to the college guy to say yay or nea at that wild party.

I did not know that. Glad Kristol can tell us what his young colleagues have heard from their younger friends still at college about their feelings on the matter. That trumps a scientific study any day.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. We didn't have this "plan B" when I in college.

And yet we still managed to have an awful lot of hot, casual sex with just plain old Plan "A".

[Dogmudgeon]

26. Always thinking the WORST of people

Ahh, those Conservatives have such a cheery view of human nature.

Just because THEY are irresponsible, self-justifying, self-pitying, spoiled children, they think that everybody is that way.

They're not too keen on the idea of women having control over any part of the reproductive process, either.

--p!

[Book Lover]

29. "They tell their girlfriend to go out and get this drug ..."

Kristol fails to report how many women listen to these irresponsible boyfriends, and how many break up with them after learning how little these boyfriends really care about them.

[beam me up scottie]

30. Wow, they have instructions for us now.

Aren't we the lucky ones?

[Mz Pip]

31. Not everyone who benefits

is in college as Juan Williams pointed out.

I hate twits like Kristol who make this seem like some windfall for upper class people.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ecstatic]

33. Even if it does increase promiscuity, how is that any of his f*cking

business? If a woman chooses to sleep around more solely based on this pill being available then that's her choice, her body. Same as people who choose to smoke or eat the wrong foods all the time.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. Why do you hate America?

;-)

:thumbsup:

[Ilsa]

34. Anybody using Plan B for contraception need to be reminded

that it doesn't protect against sexually transmitted diseases.

And college republican boys need to be snipped so they can't make new republican boys. If that doesn't work, a good kick in the parts if they are adamant about not wearing a glove.

[FUGW]

36. I'm sure his Fox story is trueNot, Who believes anything this A-Hole says?

[gumby]

37. Kristol seems devoid of any human connection to reality.

Colossally wrong about the Iraq war, he's now advising "us" about sexual conduct?

OK, he's got sex and death covered. What's next? Is Kristol going to start having seances on FAUX TV?

[jerry611]

41. Is Kristol a fucking idiot???

This pill was already available to college age girls. All they needed was an RX which they can get phoned in to any pharmacy by any OBGYN or family doctor.

The only difference is that there is no doctor needed now...But you still have to be 18 to buy it.

[Raydawg1234]

43. They talk as if the pill will make sex more popular.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. I bet Pencil-Dick Kristol *never* got laid in college anyhow,

so what's he complaining about now?

[ComerPerro]

45. Who on earth would use Plan B over regular birth control?

If they have a active sex life?

Can you imagine how much more expensive it would be?

[Kailassa]

46. On other news: "Belief in heaven causing rampant orgies

of dying."

Scientists discover that belief in heaven causes death.

Research has proved that increase in age is associated with
an increased likelihood of a belief in heaven. Correlating
this with data proving a direct correlation between
increased age and increased death rates, it beomes obvious
that it is the belief in heaven which is causing the
escalation in deaths.

It has therefore become of national importance to prevent
such a belief from killing people by passing a law against
all religion which suggests the existance of an afterlife.
So from this day forth, our government will prevent all
religion-related deaths by making it a capital offence to
hold any religious belief.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kailassa/131

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Total b.s. story

Those are straw-college guys he invented to make the point he wants. It's not like legalized abortion doesn't serve the same function, and in either case, it's up to the woman if she's going to avail herself of the option. If she chooses neither plan B nor an abortion (if she becomes pregnant), then he is not 'off the hook'.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. He's just mad because nobody will fuck him unless he pays.

[fat dad]

52. Bush finally does something right

As far as I can remember, this is the first bit of policy from this administration that actually makes sense. And we as liberals ought to make our right wing compatriots, especially the fundies, know just how happy we are that Bush and the Republicans have finally legalized what they once called the "abortion pill".

Hallelujah, brother Falwell! Bush and the Republicans make "abortion on demand" legal and over the counter. Can gay marriage be far behind?

[LostInAnomie]

54. So if I understand Kristol correctly...

... What he is saying is that women should avoid fucking young republicans at all costs because they refuse to use protection, and are probably infected with uncurable sexually transmitted diseases.

Did I get the right message?

[SofaKingLiberal]

60. That's how I read it. eom

[Beelzebud]

62. Bill, it's called projection. Admit it. YOU'RE happy about it.

:D

[lukasahero]

64. Then college guys don't care iabout getting HIV/AIDS?

Kristol's an idiot but does prove the point that the issue isn't about killing babies but about controlling sexuality.

[PurityOfEssence]

66. Sounds like envying those who can still plook...

People who are all knotted up because they can't get enough sex seem to cause most of the problems in this world, don't they?

Lenny Bruce had a great line about someone being "a card-carrying member of the great legion of the unlaid".