Attack on Iran is Coming

[CJCRANE]

What made me certain - two far-right memes have been launched into the mainstream:

- "Islamic Fascists"
- "Convert or Die"

On the anniversary of September 11th B*sh will warn of a "nuclear 9/11" and the base and other gullible people will lap it up.

There will continue to be a steady drip-drip of psyops (as per previous to both Gulf Wars).

Then early next year, before the heat of the summer, he will launch a nuclear version of "shock and awe" on Iran.

His Saudi oil backers will be happy to see another Shi'ite powerhouse knocked back 20 years, and with Iran's oil output reduced the price of oil will skyrocket, making other oil producers a fortune.

Far-right Israeli interests will be happy too to see an anti-semitic regime knocked down.

Freepers will be happy to see "mooslims" massacred and the Rapture crowd will be salivating at the prospect of an early Armageddon.

Of course Halliburton will clean up too (both literally and financially) in the aftermath.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. That's the #1 reason why the DEMS must take back CONGRESS

I don't think Bush & Co can last until next summer.

[AX10]

2. If we take back congress, Bush will become a lame duck, which...

is what has to happen to save the country. He CANNOT start any more wars or pass any more tax cuts without the congress.

[enigma000]

4. assuming democrats don't go along with the plan

Iran does go nuclear, it will be under the next administration - let's say 5 years from now. A Democratic President and congress would have to deal with this. It might be easier to let Bush deal with Iran and the consequences next year.

After everything goes to hell, Democrats could run on "no more wars" as a 2008 slogan.

[Amonester]

12. If the Iranians attack another country, they're toast, but...

...if they do not attack any other country, even if they'd possess atomic power, I repeat: if they do not attack other countries, I say they have the right to defend themselves like every other sovereign nation against any imperialist aggression aimed at stealing that damn oil they've got.

[salin]

7. and Ironically, it is the primary reason they are pushing the issue right

now...

to sow fear among voters - and try to win the elections.

[Lerkfish]

3. Think earlier, before the midterm elections.

otherwise they get no political advantage.

[CJCRANE]

5. True, maybe it's this elections "October Surprise"...nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. That's what Lebanon was about

but 'fortunately' that didn't go very well and now the Israels are not so interested in being stooges to save Bush's political ass.

[Lerkfish]

8. no, actually, sy hersh explained Lebanon was to preemptively remove

Hezbollah's ability to retaliate against Israel after we attack Iran.
and I'm inclined to agree with him.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Yes, that was one of the main reasons

but instead we made Hezbollah even stronger. Oops.

[Lerkfish]

20. right. but I think the neocons don't understand the concept of flexible

planning. I think Having IDF in Lebanon will good enough for them to still invade/attack.

[filer]

11. Intriguing.

I've been thinking after the elections, but if they come to the conclusion that they're going to lose the House, why not launch before? They won't take it to the Congress in either case. They don't believe they have to. Dubya's the "War President", after all. He has unlimited powers. Torture Boy has already checked it out for him.

[Double T]

9. The LAST thing this country needs is another war with a major......

oil producer. We have TOTALLY alienated Venezuela and war with Iran is NOT only unwarranted over their involvement in nuclear research, but it will lead to oil and gas prices that will likely send the US economy into a depression. Is foreign diplomacy dead with this completely incompetent administration? U.S. elections and the transfer of power to a sane administration and sane legislative body can not happen fast enough. If anyone thinks an Middle East Arab Muslim nation will allow a Western Christian/Anglo-Saxon Nation to occupy it, think again, it will never happen, as we have seen........

[paparush]

10. When do we get to the part where Russia and China nuke us into

glowing globs of jelly?

[JesterCS]

19. I dont believe

they would nuke the US. They have to know that the Majority of Americans are NOT behind attacking Iran. It would be counterproductive to Nuke civilians in the US. Now I could see attacking AF, Army Bases overseas.

[paparush]

23. Actually, I agree..so its up to us, The People, to occupy DC and Not

let the madman George perpetrate this awful deed.

[MADem]

13. Islamic fascists is a term that has been around for years

In fact, that sot Hitchens was actually one of the ones that got it circulating, though he did not originate it.
History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klonimus/Islamofascism

Although the exact origins of the term are murky, it appears to have been coined either by Khalid Duran, Stephen Schwartz or Christopher Hitchens. The coining or popularisation of the term is frequently attributed to Christopher Hitchens, a prominent critic of Islamic Fundamentalism, based on his article in The Nation immediately following the 9/11 attacks, where he used the phrase "Islamic fascism". <1>. Hitchens also used the phrases "Islamic fascism" and "theocratic fascism" to describe the fatwa declared against Salman Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses.

After the 9/11 attacks, the concept of "Islamic fascism", later shortened to "Islamofascism", took root in the blogosphere, to explain or describe the ideology of the attackers. Islamofascism is popular term among neoconservative blogs such as Little Green Footballs.

More history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism_%28term%29

The origins of the term are unclear, but appear to date back to an article, "Construing Islam as a language", by Malise Ruthven that appeared on September 8, 1990 in The Independent, where he wrote:

Nevertheless there is what might be called a political problem affecting the Muslim world. In contrast to the heirs of some other non-Western traditions, including Hinduism, Shintoism and Buddhism, Islamic societies seem to have found it particularly hard to institutionalise divergences politically: authoritarian government, not to say Islamo-fascism, is the rule rather than the exception from Morocco to Pakistan.

The Guardian attributes the term to an article by Muslim scholar Khalid Duran in the Washington Times, where he used it to describe the push by some Islamist clerics to "impose religious orthodoxy on the state and the citizenry".<3>

Radio talk show host Michael Savage has used the term "Islamofascism" frequently on his program (<6>) and in his books (Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions, Chapter 2—Unmasking Islamofascism, ISBN 1-5955-5006-2). The context suggests the invocation of Islam to justify fascist-like activities....

I pay attention to the news, and I haven't heard "convert or die"--convert to, or from, what?

The truth of the matter is this: we don't have enough troops to handle Iraq and Afghanistan, never mind take on Iran--at least not alone. We'd need to crank up the draft machine, open up a few more boot camps around the country, and get real busy before before we could contemplate going into Iran. Or find a few allies with huge standing armies willing to do the scut work for us, while we do the bombing.

Otherwise, the only other way to after them is with an air war (either conventional or tac nuke)...and that wouldn't work on its own. There's too much infrastructure; that country is quite huge. And the international community would have our asses fried in oil if we used tac nukes willy nilly in an offensive manner.

Where are these boots on the ground coming from? Where's the draft? That will be your first clue that something like what you propose is coming.

We simply do not have the forces to prosecute a war without one.

[CJCRANE]

16. * himself said "Islamic Fascists" in a speech

recently.

The "convert or die" meme has hit the mainstream with the Fox News reporter who was released today.

on edit: my point is that these memes are now in the mainstream not just freeper message boards.

[MADem]

18. Any Imam, mullah or Ayatullah would agree that those horseshit

demands for conversion aren't authentic and don't count. In Islam, you are allowed to lie your ass off to save your life--as an example, if you are Shi'a, you can pretend to be Sunni if being known as Shi'a could get you killed, and vice versa. It's actually in the Koran that this is hunky dory to do.

The 'convert or die' demand makes me believe even more strongly that this kidnapping was done by a bunch of rank fucking amateurs, gun toting wannabees, nitwit Muslim goobers, who actually wanted a ransom, and didn't realize who they'd captured. Once they figured it out, and realized they'd screwed up by getting someone who was TOO high profile, they figured they'd make a demand, pull some shit, and let them go. A total gang that couldn't shoot straight, a bunch of asshat clowns: http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=313727&rel_no=1

A video released earlier showed the two making various pronouncement including an apparent statement of conversion by Centanni to Islam. He explained after his release that he felt coerced into making the statements, as his captors wielded firearms.

A previously unknown group calling itself the "Holy Jihad Brigades" had claimed responsibility for the kidnapping, but senior Palestinian security officials said the name was merely a front for local militants whose identities were known to Palestinian authorities. The group had demanded the release of unspecified Muslim prisoners within 72 hours, a demand the U.S. officially rejected. The deadline passed before news of the release became available.

At a press conference with the journalists at the hotel, Haniyeh confirmed the kidnappers were from Gaza and not members of al-Qaida, as had been claimed.

"The kidnappers have no link to al-Qaida or any other organization or faction," Haniyeh said. "Al-Qaida as an organization does not exist in the Gaza Strip."

[Strelnikov_]

14. "Continue To Be A Steady Drip-Drip Of Psyops"

The drip is becoming more frequent even here.

Have you noticed the elevation of Ahmadinejad (who is essentially a elected government spokesman for a right-wing theocracy) to the level of 'psycho' 'dictator' 'tyrant'.

A Shia Limbaugh he may be, but a Shia Hitler he is not.

[savemefromdumbya]

22. Cheney is probably paying Ahmadinejad?

[seemslikeadream]

17. The two men hoped to sell US on yet another bloody war

Endgame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1968853#1968914

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00070.htm

Working together, the two men hoped to sell the United States on yet another bloody war. A few miles away, digital recorders at the FBI's Language Services Section captured every word.


The disturbing story in the detailed Bamford article concludes with these words:


In the end, the work of Franklin and the other members of Feith's secret office had the desired effect. Working behind the scenes, the members of the Office of Special Plans succeeded in setting the United States on the path to all-out war with Iran.




Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1444053
Fieth resigns from Pentagon today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1186412
Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=886884
New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=852863
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725
Money from Iran Fuels Iraq Insurgency -Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=810129
Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249
FBI probes DOD office (spy probe widens)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784155
F.B.I said to reach official suspected of passing secrets ....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786361
Analyst Who Is Target of Probe Went to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784792
Knight Ridder:FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784274
Pentagon Analyst Was Cooperating When Israel Spy Case Became Public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786505
Iran-Contra II? Fresh scrutiny on rogue Pentagon operation -Josh Marshall
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784906
AIPAC's Overt and Covert Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788267
UK Express: (Perle) Faces (FBI) Quiz Over Links to Israeli Spy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=785131
Israel Says It Has No Need to Spy on U.S.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=787437
F.B.I. Is Said to Brief Pentagon Bosses on Spy Case; Charges Are Possible
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788936
LAT: FBI Questions Israeli Lobbyists (AIPAC) in Spying Probe ((Gilon mentioned)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=789576
FBI briefs Wolfowitz on Israeli spy claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=790076
F.B.I. Interviews 2 Suspected of Passing Secrets to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=792950
FBI seizes computer from AIPAC offices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=791564
Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432
Leak Probe More Than 2 Years Old (AIPAC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795905
AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332
Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029
FBI Informed White House of AIPAC Probe Two Years Ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797181
Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060
Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167
Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817
Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333
LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631
Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031
Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678
A Web Of Intrigue Inside the Israel espionage investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803022
Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes possible Pentagon leak to Iraqi exiles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=805885
Reporters' Files Subpoenaed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=815381
Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017


Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

Behind the AIPAC Probe, Neocons Seen Battling Rivals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x807922

War of words over espionage probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x806736

Dual Loyalties The Bush Neocons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x806736

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249

Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249

Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796806

Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725

Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=804314

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031

Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=800454

LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631

Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817

Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797846

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796889

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=793930

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795385

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432

U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794973


Endgame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1968853#1968914

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00070.htm

Working together, the two men hoped to sell the United States on yet another bloody war. A few miles away, digital recorders at the FBI's Language Services Section captured every word.


The disturbing story in the detailed Bamford article concludes with these words:


In the end, the work of Franklin and the other members of Feith's secret office had the desired effect. Working behind the scenes, the members of the Office of Special Plans succeeded in setting the United States on the path to all-out war with Iran.

[savemefromdumbya]

21. Military transport planes on the move wonder where they are going?