Minutemen want immigrant deported

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060826-115345-4106r

CHICAGO, Aug. 26 (UPI) -- A border security advocacy group has called on a single mother holed up in a Chicago church to come out and be deported to Mexico.

The woman, Elvira Arellano, has been in a United Methodist Church since Aug. 15, refusing to surrender to federal authorities for deportation, the Chicago Tribune reports.

While in the church, her lawyers filed a lawsuit on behalf of her 7-year-old son, Saul, a U.S. citizen. The suit charges his rights would be violated if Arellano, who entered the United States illegally, is deported.

The group, known as the Minutemen Project, calls this claim nonsense.

[bluestateguy]

1. I don't like busybodys, people who can't mind their own business.

nt

[zbdent]

2. Uh-oh, a Rightie (Reichie?) conundrum ...

a Minuteman wanting the Constitution to be hanged so that he can remove someone who sought refuge in a Church ...

[FILAM23]

3. She broke the law

she got caught. Deportation is called for

[EFerrari]

5. Are you familiar with the American justice system?

Usually, we have trials and stuff before judging someone guilty and punishing them.

/typo

[RebelOne]

7. She is guilty of entering the country illegally.

A trial won't change that.

[EFerrari]

8. Are you the prosecution or, do you favor just getting a rope? n/t

[RebelOne]

39. I am not the prosecution, but I am very much against

illegal immigration. She should be sent back and then come back into the country the legal way. What gives these illegals the right to jump ahead of the line of those who are waiting to come here legally?

[EFerrari]

41. You have every right to be "against" poor people trying to find work

to feed their families. That's what it amounts to.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. And what did her child do wrong?

You do realize that he is really the one being punished here?

[UTUSN]

4. Here's how the Moonie Times created the Minutemen

Plus I lost the link about how the Border Patrol chief in Laredo, TX, does NOT want any "help" from the Minutemen when they do their Fall charade there. He won't even return their calls for a chat.

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http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2006/08/moons-paper-and-minutemen.html

Wonkette: if the Border Patrol is short handed, why not call out the Minutemen? You know, the more-bark-than-bite nationalist “movement” that, according to the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center, Jerry Seper and the Washington Times largely invented out of the ether? Mind you, we’re not complaining. We’re big fans of making mountains out of molehills...

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=635

Anti-Immigration Movement
Newspapers Inflated Minuteman Numbers, Report Finds
Moon's paper and the Minutemen

The report, "Creating the Minutemen," is based on an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) analysis of 581 articles and editorials printed in major U.S. newspapers between January 2005 and February 2006. The ACLU has been highly critical of the Minutemen, and ACLU volunteers closely monitored the group.

The first of those articles, "Volunteers Set to Monitor Border Crossings," by Jerry Seper of the hard-right Washington Times, reported that 240 volunteers had signed up. By early March, Seper was reporting that the number of volunteers had "more than tripled," came from every state, and included 16 pilots with aircraft.

During the last two weeks of March 2005, the media hype shifted into overdrive. Fifteen journalists reported the Minuteman Project had signed up "at least 1,000 volunteers." The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ran a March 23, 2005, article headlined "2,000 volunteers expected for Minuteman Project."


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[UTUSN]

9. Link, Border Patrol don't want their "help" in Laredo, TX

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17104568&BRD=2290&PAG=461&dept_id=569392&rfi=6

Border Patrol chief doesn’t want Minutemen near agents (Laredo, Texas)

LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 08/24/2006 | MIGUEL TIMOSHENKOV

The head of the Border Patrol said Wednesday he doesn’t want members of the Minuteman Project working near his agents when they come to the Laredo area next month. The civilian group, which reports illegal immigrants to immigration authorities, is expected to start patrolling the border in the Laredo area on Sept. 11 and continue through Nov. 7.

Acting Chief Patrol Agent Reynaldo Garza of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Laredo Sector said he can’t prevent the civilians from coming to Laredo, but said they won’t be allowed to interfere with official business. ....

Esquivel said that if U.S. citizens should have any trouble with a member of the Minuteman Project, he or she should call the sheriff’s department or other law enforcement authority.

State Rep. Richard Raymond deplored the group’s plan to come to Laredo.

“They don’t have anything to do with this community,” Raymond said. “Here, we reject the racism they practice.” ....


(Miguel Timoshenkov may be reached at [phone] or by e-mail at [e-mail])

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[akushuki]

10. They are such total assholes, here is a stephen colbert clip of them

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=69318

[UTUSN]

11. Thanks!!!1 n/t

[EFerrari]

6. LINK TV has been running a documentary about these border militias

The one they covered had a program, "Operation Ranch Rescue". Big fat Freepers. They accidentally kill each other, they get into power struggles with themselves, they are arrested for abusing travelers they "detain", they are thrown in jail for having illegal weapons.

No wonder the Border Patrol doesn't want anything to do with these wackos.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. They also shoot holes in water jugs left by humanitarian workers

for immigrants crossing the border. The minutemen think nothing of human beings DYING. It is one thing to be opposed to immigration, but it is another thing entirely to help make sure the immigrants DIE. These mother fuckers are despicable murderers.

[EFerrari]

15. Yes, they are. And when you dig into their backgrounds as this

doc did, you find wife abuse, tax evasion and similar behavior that we expect from Freepers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. What happened to the fence they were building?

Did Home Depot run out of barbed wire?

[Maestro]

16. The fence?

The national head of the Minutemen misappropriated, poorly mismanaged or just downright took the money. Hardly any of it has been built. I'll try to find a link.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060719-091346-2988r_page2.htm
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/portillo/134531
http://countenance.wordpress.com/2006/06/20/the-decline-and-fall-of-the-minuteman-project

I realize that the Moonie Times and the last link are reichwing sites but even they see the whack-job MinuteMen as idiots who can't handle money nor fulfill promises.

Oh and deporting the mother of son who is a US citizen will solve nothing! Reichwingers attack the defenseless. It is so typical.

[EFerrari]

18. Feuding Minutemen only united on border woes

Wed Aug 16, 3:08 PM

By Tim Gaynor

PHOENIX (Reuters) - More than a year after their first stakeouts on the U.S.-Mexico border, Minuteman civilian patrol volunteers are divided and questions are being raised about whether their movement's influence is on the wane.

The Minutemen leaped into the media spotlight in April 2005 when its force of housewives, office workers and veterans camped out in lawn chairs in southern Arizona to spot illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico.

Sixteen months later, the founders of the movement have split acrimoniously, and questions swirl over how a breakaway group spent a reported $1.6 million in donations.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/16082006/6/n-usa-feuding-minutemen-only-united-border-woes.html

[Maestro]

20. Thanks for the link

I updated my post with some more. :hi:

[slackmaster]

17. You and I will be picking up the tab soon

According to an article on page A14 of this morning's San Diego Union-Tribune it looks like U.S. taxpayers will be taking over what the Minutemen started.

U.S. prepares to pick border shield builder

By Dave Montgomery
MCT NEWS SERVICE

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is expected to choose an industry consortium next month to erect a high-tech security shield along the U.S. borders, launching one of the federal government's most ambitious public-works projects in years.

The Department of Homeland Security calls the proposed Secure Border Initiative Net the "most comprehensive effort in the nation's history" to gain control of more than 6,000 miles of border with Mexico and Canada as well as 2,000 miles of coastline...."

Sorry, no link available.

[Maestro]

19. I bet Halliburton gets a no-bid contract to build it.

And the * will be appointed to the Board after his 8 year dictatorship.

[EFerrari]

21. Maybe we can get it dedicated to these foot-shooting, wife beating,

donation stealing heroes.

Because, this fence will be just as effective as they are. My husband says, now they'll have to walk all the way around.

/claridad

[insanerepubs]

25. All I can say

is that if the government and the current chimp lead administration were doing their jobs there wouldn't be the need for these knuckle draggers.

If we had a comprehensive and workable program in place people could come to the US legally to work and be treated fairly.

The lady in the church is here illegally and should be treated as such. Using the current law if she is found in violation she should be deported.

[EFerrari]

32. So you would favor treating her as a law breaker and not as the

mother of an American citizen?

That's quite an important choice you're making.

And, welcome to DU. :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Oh these bigots would find something else to make noise about.

Don't fool yourself into thinking they wouldn't be around if the immigration problem was settled. 100 years ago their counterparts formed the KKK. 50 years ago, they fought against integration. Unfortunately, bigots are part of our American culture.

The lady in the church is a desperate poor woman with a child to feed. Would you be willing to break the law to take care of your child? I know I would. I also refuse to judge her. What harm has she done? If she hadn't taken care of her child, she would be condemned for neglect. She really can't win for losing. I think it is cruel and inhumane to deny her and her child the opportunity to be productive citizens in this country.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. I'm sure mother and child pose a great threat to 'Murka Land of the Free.

And, The Home of the Brave beer-swillin', gun totin', flag wavin', Heeroes, defending us against the ravages of the brown Bogeyman.

The same kind of "Patriots" that saved us from the "Yellow Peril", and "Race Mixing", in their heyday of white sheets and chewin' tobacca.

[EFerrari]

23. Why haven't these patriots stormed that church already?

Maybe their lawn chairs are too tight?

lol

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. A bit too much packaging for their, alleged, brains.

[EFerrari]

27. It's interesting that these heroes will be out between 9/11

and 11/7.

It's like they have a coach or something. :shrug:

[Cleita]

24. I once knew an English couple who entered this country

illegally with their two children from Canada. In the meantime while living and working here, the wife had another baby in the USA. Well, they were caught, but the immigration ruled that because the baby was an American citizen that he deserved to have his parents with him and because the older brother and sister also needed their parents, they too deserved to have their parents, so the whole family was issued Green Cards on that ruling. They all eventually became citizens.

But I have noticed that the INS is not so generous in their rulings with immigrants from the southern border. I wonder why? This couple are not the only immigrants who got their Green Cards because they had an American born child that I know of but they all came here through Canada from northern Europe. Is there any possibility of getting the INS records on these rulings? I think they are showing dispicable bias.

[ulysses]

28. of course they are.

I think they are showing dispicable bias.

I suspect that many who are guilty of the same bias don't even know it.

[EFerrari]

29. Keeping families together makes sense on every level.

Intact families are less expensive to society in the short and the long run.

[Initech]

30. I think the Minutemen is a bunch of nonsense

I mean, who the hell cares what a bunch of racist assholes think?

[EFerrari]

31. They are using up more law enforcement resources than

any support they offer.

They are putting a bunch of people on both sides of the border in harms way.

They are being used to bilk $ from their fellow racists and also, maybe just some people who don't realize what a nonproblem this is.

None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Juarez.

[Cleita]

34. Here's a source about these guys that I trust for the truth.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=13

DOUGLAS, Ariz. | April 22, 2005 -- For months, Jim Gilchrist promised that his Minuteman Project would peacefully observe the Arizona border as a protest against illegal immigration. Volunteers — he said there would be 1,300 of them — would be carefully screened, with FBI help, to keep out white supremacists and racists. No one would be allowed to bear guns except those who had permits to carry concealed weapons.
Gilchrist said that critics who called his group "vigilantes" — naysayers who included President Bush — were absolutely wrong about his volunteers.

Indeed, Gilchrist told USA Today, these men and women sought only to bring attention to a major social problem. Most were "white Martin Luther Kings."

Maybe so. But Gilchrist's accuracy has been less than sterling. More at link

These guys have close ties to the Stormfront organization which is a blanket organization for most White Supremist groups, although now they are trying to distance themselves from the neo-Nazis because it gives them bad press.

[Maestro]

35. SPL Center is great!

I found via their site that my poor community has one of the active KKK love dens based in my community. In fact, I used to live down the street from one of the guys. He used to dress up in his "pajamas" and pass out propaganda. He moved away though, thank goodness.

[Cleita]

36. They were able to run the Aryan Nation out of Coeur d' Alene,

Idaho, when the residents weren't able to and were at their wits end as to what to do. The SPL was able to attach their compound in Hayden Lake and evict them for some tax laws that they broke. Even though individuals are still around scattered through the NW, they aren't all gathered on one property like an illegal military base anymore.

[EFerrari]

37. "white Martin Luther Kings"

:rofl:

[Cleita]

38. I know. That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

:rofl:

[Initech]

40. Ha! I knew it!

They have to have ties to white supremacist groups, there's no other explanation.