An email exchange

[johnnie]

I got another stupid email from dad, and I decided to answer for once. I am fucking sick of people passing this shit on to everyone. I don't really want to clean it up, but it went something.....like this.....

First email:


Darn Tootin' !!!
> > WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE
TV
> >AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING
> >SPEECH?
> >
> > My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has
been
> >completed.
> >
> > Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
> >mission in Iraq is complete
> >
> > This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
> >forces from Iraq . This action will be complete within 30 days It is now
> >to begin the reckoning.
> >
> > Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
> >which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is
short.
> >The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of
the
> >countries listed there.
> >
> > The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
> >world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing
> >copies of both lists later this evening.
> >
> > Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
> >nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
> >during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the
Iraqi
> >war.
> >
> > The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
> >Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
> >
> > Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
> >
> > In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this
money
> >toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that
> >note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt
you
> >down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.
> >
> > Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.
> >
> > I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with
France,
> >Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring
> >from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.
> >
> > I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many
UN
> >diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid
parking
> >tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and
> >crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps
> >have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or

> >watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of
the
> >finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.
> >
> > A special note to our neighbors! . Canada is on List 2. Since we are
> >likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try
> >not pissing us off for a change.
> >
> > Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt
government
> >really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and
> >infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep,
> >border security. So start doing something with your oil.
> >
> > Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
> > treaty - starting now.
> >
> >
> > We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for
> >oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for
> >decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision,
I
> >refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.
> >
> > It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own
citizens.
> >Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn
> >tootin."
> >
> >
> > Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
> >world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the
> >planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to
eliminate
> >homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from
> >America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe
you
> >and we won't forget.
> >
> > To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to
> >speak Arabic.
Ø >


> > God bless America. Thank you and good night.
> >
> > If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in
English,
> >thank a soldier.
> >
> > (Please forward this to at least ten friends and see what happens!
Let's
> >get this to every USA computer!
>


My answer


Considering the repukes run the all three branches for the last 6 years, this email doesn't mean much. They have destroyed our country, they have sent 100,000 plus kids to fight in a war that was based on lies, they have prevented us from learning how to use stem cells to cure things that you might end up with, they have let the cost of gas go beyond anything that will ever recover (even though bush said that Bill Clinton let gas get to $1.50 a gallon and said that was not acceptable and he will make sure it never happened again), they have given tax cuts to their buddies and not to you (how was that $300 bucks you got back 5 years ago?), they have taken our constitution and spat on it, they are spying on you and me and they think they have total control over you and me.

Remember, these people are hired by us, they work for us. The day they start running your life is the day that everything that every American killed in any war to protect your right to be free is put to shame. These neocon bastards have taken 9/11 and filled you with fear. This is the greatest country in the world and we have stayed strong through it all. bush and his pals have duped you all and he has done what he was sent to do.

I know my father sent this to me because I am on his list. I get a lot of these from him and his friends, and that's fine, but I will not be quiet any longer about what this administration has done to this country. I miss the blue dress and stains, life was good. These people in office now have taken what was once a great country and turned it into a joke. You will pay for this asshole's (bush) mistakes, your kids will pay and your grandkids will pay.

How anyone can support what is going on to this country is beyond me. Anyone who does support the fascism that is raging through my country should be ashamed of themselves and pack their bags and go away. Many people have died for your freedom and to spit on their graves in the name of fascism is truly anti-American.

Go ahead and write back to me if you must, I refuse to let my country go to pot because some of you got hood-winked into thinking that this administartion is doing good things for you. Have fun filling up your gas tanks, have fun being afraid to get on a plane, have fun knowing that it won't be long before your kids and grandchildren will be drafted so georgie and his buddies can make some more cash, have fun knowing that you support of these people have cause more division between out great country and it's citizens since the civil war. And remember, some of you support it!


A reply:

xxxx wrote:

Sorry John, but you got it ALL wrong. How can you possibly blame Bush for the fuel situation. I don't hear any real solutions coming from the liberal left wing socialist atheists, only complaints. Let's put the blame on Bush for the militants Islamists all around the world. Yea right. Do you think your liberal left wings socialist atheists have a solution? If there is I'm sure theirs includes outlawing profileing and snooping, pulling out of Iraq, cutting the defense budget and reparations for the Negros(Blacks, African Americans)





My reply to the idgit:

Sorry Mr xxxx, you have it ALL wrong. How did bush possibly blame Clinton for the fuel situation?

georgie:
"The Strategic Reserve is an insurance policy meant for a sudden disruption of our energy supply or for war. Strategic Reserve should not be used as an attempt to drive down oil prices right before an election. It should not be used for short-term political gain at the cost of long-term national security."

Here is a little more:
Bush In 2000: Bush Blamed Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices; Promised "Immediate Relief" By Using His "Capital" With Saudis And Kuwaitis. "Campaigning for president in a state particularly hard-hit by high gasoline prices, Texas Gov. George W. Bush on Tuesday blamed the nation's predicament on the Clinton administration, which he said is operating without an energy policy. "This is an administration that is hoping the issue goes away,' Bush said. ... 'The vice president seems to forget who's been in office for seven years,' Bush said. 'This is an administration that has been in charge, and the price of gasoline has risen steadily since they've been in office.' Asked what he would do as president to address the price at the pump, Bush said he would confer with oil-producing allies and ask them to pump more crude. 'I would use the capital my administration will earn with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, to convince them to open up the spigot,' Bush said. 'That's where we will get immediate relief.'"
Bush On The Need For Quick Action
Bush In 2000: U.S. Simply Needs To Tell OPEC To "Open The Spigots." "I would hope the administration would convince our friends in OPEC to open the spigots."

And as for "liberal left wing socialist atheists" 90% of my family are Democrats and liberal. We are proud of out heritage and our commitment to the United States Of America. And my family is also very much God fearing and beautifully spirited human beings. How dare you judge my family as being less than spiritual as you! You should be ashamed. Judge not less thee be judged.

And as for reparations, maybe we should make the drunkin’ irish micks pay us real Americans back for coming to our country and messing it up with their bad food. The Irish have no claim to this country and should pack up and go back to their homeland.
Take care,
Johnnie

[Hissyspit]

1. Here's what I would have replied:

"It was stupid fucking ignorant scam of a war in the first place and any country would be as worried of being invaded by the U.S. as being invaded by 'Arabs.'

WHERE are the weapons of mass destruction?
WHERE are the greetings of flowers?
WHERE is the almost $1 Trillion we have spent on the war?
WHERE are all of Iraq's doctors now?
WHY are we letting Afghanistan go to hell?
WHERE is Osama bin Laden?
WHY has no one been fired for letting 9/11 happen?
WHY is Donald Rumsfeld still in his job?
WHY don't we ACTUALLY support our troops?
WHY is outting a C.I.A. agent who was working on WMD issues O.K. with you?
WHY do you think it was wrong of France to say we will not support this illegal war because it will be a huge mess when it has turned out to be a huge mess??
WHY do you believe ANY of the shit in that email?"

[johnnie]

2. I should have posted here first

This is an old family friend, but I am sick of his idiotic bullshit. I get these friggin' emails too much and I am tired of letting them slip.

[Hissyspit]

11. LOL

Maybe it's better you didn't post here first!

There are a gazillion counter-arguments to this delusional pop email fallacies and mythologies. So many counter-arguments, it's impossible to keep them all straight.

[Touchdown]

3. I hope that guy was Irish and you were just sticking it to him.

....otherwise, you'd have to exchange a few e-mails with me on that bit of truthiness...and I'm better at it than he is.;)

EDIT: I do agree that most Irish food sucks...not Sheppard's Pie, but boiled cabbage???:wtf:

[johnnie]

4. Oh, he is irish..lol

I was just being a dick.

[Touchdown]

5. Then good fort you Laddie!

Guinness on me! Hold the boiled cabbage.:toast:

[TexasLawyer]

6. "liberal left wing socialist atheists" ??!

Man, he's been drinking a LOT of Kool-aid!!!



Seriously, I wish France, Germany and others had successfully talked the US out of this disastrous war.

Our true friends are the ones who wrestle the car keys out of our hands when we're drunk. They're not the ones who climb in the passenger side and say "Let's go!"

If our country had actually been under attack by Iraq I know we would have had many allies. Now that we've squandered so much good will and created so much chaos and hatred I'm not so sure any more.

In fact, if we keep up with the pre-emptive wars, other countries might have to band together to force a regime change on the US.

[johnnie]

7. Yeah, he is a whackjob

He is one of those people who refuse to look at what is reality and hold on to their own illusion because he hates to be wrong. He is in the huge 30% of the people that still like georgie.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. You did well, johnnie, esp. your original reply.

[Hamlette]

9. you might want to tell him where our foreign aid goes

it's less than 1% of the federal budget, and that includes what's going to Iraq as aid (not to pay for the war in Iraq). 1/3 of it goes to Israel. A full 58% goes to the Middle East, mostly to fight terrorism.

If you talk to him again, tell him we could cut off all foreign aid to all countries and it would pay for a couple of months of the war in Iraq. But ask him if he really wants to cut off Israel. And Iraq. And Egypt. And Afghanistan (the top 4 recipients). And if he really wants to cut of all funds for conflict resolution (military aid).

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/31987.pdf#search=%22US%20foreign%20aid%20amount%20dollars%20which%20countries%22

[Make7]

10. How to Win Friends and Influence Nations

This reply is only regarding the original email.

From the original email:

A special note to our neighbors! . Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Canada "pissing" off America?

Stranded Yanks

"All airways over continental U.S. are closed. Land at the
nearest airport, advise your destination"
--Message sent to all commercial flights en route to the United
States.

On September 11, 2001, 252 international flights carrying over
43,000 dazed and frightened passengers were suddenly grounded
in Canada. Many landed in places they'd never heard of: Gander,
Goose Bay, Moncton. Most were Americans who were supposed to be
headed home. Stranded Yanks tells their stories.

This documentary combines footage from those harrowing days
with detailed personal accounts, compelling photos, home video
and powerful reunions as it documents the five-day period from
September 11 to September 16, when strangers became neighbors
and a friendship between nations grew even stronger.

"Seeing the way you have pulled together to help my fellow Americans
left me trembling and in tears. My heart is overwhelmed at the
outpouring of Canadian compassion to stranded Americans. How does
a person say 'Thank you' to a nation?"
--Letitia

http://www.channel9store.com/prodinfo.asp?number=424004

Canada mourns 'friendly fire' deaths
18 April, 2002

Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien has promised a full investigation into the deaths of four Canadian soldiers killed by a US bomb during training exercises in Afghanistan.

The US F-16 pilot said he mistook the live fire for an attack - even though it came from a known training area.

Four Canadian soldiers died and another eight were injured when the 500 pound bomb struck during a live-fire training exercise near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.

Canadian flags across the country are at half mast.

    <- snip ->

More than 700 Canadian soldiers are deployed in Afghanistan and are operating out of Kandahar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1938020.stm

Let me get this straight - Canada is on the list a countries that doesn't support America?

The country that allowed hundreds of planes to land in their country when American airspace was closed because the extent of the threat was unknown on that day, and in doing so possibly exposed their own country to danger. Not only did they let the planes into their airspace and land and their airports, but they gave the stranded passengers food, water, shelter, medicine, clothing, email access and the use of phones to contact loved ones, and also comfort and kindness. They did this for days until passengers where able to return to the United States.

Canada also supported the "War on Terror" by sending troops to Afghanistan, and stayed even after they came under fatal friendly fire from the U.S. Military. This is the country that "might want to try not pissing us off for a change"?

Perhaps it is true what they say, "No good deed goes unpunished."

The United States has so few friends left in the world, perhaps this is simply because they have such a difficult time understanding what a friend truly is.

Foreign policy is not a children's game. You can't just take your ball and go home when you don't get your way. The only outcome of such a policy is the assurance of facing the world alone.

- Make7

[misternormal]

12. Maybe Canada should annex the US...

... and we can work together to get the RW fundies out of power... :headbang:

[Hav]

13. .

It's pretty sick how these emails use the emotions of possible quite ignorant people to not only express a political point of view but to also throw in the usual propaganda points.
Like the oil in Alaska. Or the foreign aid because it appeals to those who are against spending money for other nations and who believe that pretty much every country is begging for money from the US. The usual "They abandoned us" theme although just recently french soldiers died in Afghanistan.
Never without attacks against France, Mexico or Canada.
And why the hell do they have to end every email like this with "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier." It's really stupid when it gets used again and again.

If there is one thing that I don't envy Americans for, then it is the political climate. I'd probably just hang myself if my relatives would behave like some brainwashed idiots and if they would repeatedly send me emails like this garbage.

[Tsiyu]

14. You are a brave soul, johnnie

:yourock:

When you have to compose a response to a parent and you know he or she will not enjoy the composition, it can make your heart race and your memories come flying back. But you overcame your very decent, respectful nature and responded well.

The truth always wins, but many of these poor, deluded souls have no idea of the truth. You have to just keep trying, as you are doing.

Listen, I've been hideous in the past to Repukes. Just returned to work with one who took a lot of grief from us liberals on the job. Something sunk in, though, because he actually talked to a co-worker about voting for Harold Ford, Jr. he claims Corker is "a crook." I almost fainted when I heard this.

It's early in the school year so I haven't yet razzed him, and I don't plan to jinx anything by teasing him now... unless circumstances warrant a return trip to the truth. ;)


Good for you and just keep it up :thumbsup:

bhg :toast:

P.S. and the Irish reference was priceless. Can't wait to hear his response to that one. Your dad must be horrified, but just remember he's not nearly as horrified as he should be....:grr:

[XanaDUer]

15. K'd & R'd...

nt.

[zbdent]

16. Typical - blame the lefties

and then run and hide when confronted by FACTS ...