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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:01 AM
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So has Fitzgerald "officially" cleared Rove yet?
Anyone know? :shrug:

Anything new with his investigation?
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:02 AM
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1. Not that I've heard..................
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:04 AM
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2. Haven't heard much and what I have heard conflicts.
One says indicted already under seal, other says could be indicted, another says he's giving up info. Wish we could get at the truth in which I could have some confidence.
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:05 AM
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3. That happened the day he realized it would be a bad career move to

go after a power player like Rove.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 12:11 PM
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20. Yep,he was bought off,his life was threatened or he had some dirt
from his past..the corruption of the Repukes has no boundaries...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:06 AM
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4. It's still ongoing
the judge just ruled the other day that Libby can't have some of the docs he wanted.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:15 AM
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5. Twenty-four business hours are up with the last syllable of recorded time
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing
."
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lisby Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:19 AM
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6. Fitz who?
:sarcasm:

Lisby
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:29 AM
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7. There's always that nasty civil suit
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 10:30 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/13/AR2006071301092.html

But legal analysts said the suit could open new avenues for extracting information from the administration, because Plame and Wilson could conduct discovery if the U.S. District Court in Washington lets the suit proceed.

Plame and Wilson might be entitled to demand documents from Cheney and others, as well as to require them to sit for sworn depositions, much as President Bill Clinton had to answer questions under oath in Paula Jones's sexual harassment lawsuit.

And, because the accusations in the suit are separate from the issue Fitzgerald was looking into -- whether anyone violated a federal law against disclosing CIA officers' identities -- Plame and Wilson "could go out and look into a lot of things that Fitzgerald didn't look into," said Eugene Volokh, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:44 AM
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8. Fitz, a cover up artist?
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 10:47 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x110092


paulthompson (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-26-06 04:02 AM
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4. Yes
I've been in contact with Lance and helping him find info for this book. He's discovered some stunning things. I don't know what I can or can't say so I'll hold off until at least the show comes out. But what he discovered certainly makes Patrick Fitzgerald look very bad. I had high hopes for Fitzgerald with the Plame case, but it now appears he is just another cover up artist. For instance, the pieces Lance put together shows Fitzgerald to be very clearly lying under oath. Fitzgerald told Congress under oath after 9/11 that he had no idea who Ali Mohamed was until Mohamed showed up to be interviewed shortly after the 1998 embassy bombings. Fitzgerald went on and on about "the Wall" and how "the Wall" (rules limiting sharing of evidence between intelligence and prosecutors) meant that even then he couldn't tell if he should charge Mohamed with a crime or not. Bull honkey. Fitzgerald actually had dinner with Mohamed twice where Mohamed blatantly admitted to crime after crime and even hinted at future plots, and yet Mohamed was allowed to continue to run his al-Qaeda cell openly in California.

In retrospect, it looks like the fix was in with the Plame case. It did seem strange at the time that the Bush Administration would appoint someone so supposedly morally upright and competent for the vital Plame case, but now it just seems they picked the cover up guy with the best reputation. And we've seen the results: Fitzgerald interpreted his mandate very narrowly and in the end only charged Scooter Libby.

The fix is doubly in, too, because of the way National Geographic watered down the documentary. I've found out that the National Geographic Society no longer controls the channel and in fact it's now majority owned by Fox News. So I guess that shouldn't be too much of a surprise. At least all the info will still be in the book (though the book publisher is also owned by a company ultimately controlled by Rupert Murdoch, Lance hasn't had any pressure to water the book down).

As far as I know, Lance never speculates beyond incompetence as to why these things happened. But there's certainly fodder in the book to get many a conspiracy theorist's dander up. For instance, he shows many ways in which the evidence that the 1998 embassy bombings were going to happen was known by US intelligence in advance. But as to whether that was incompetence or another LIHOP is up for the reader to decide. I think he at least makes the case that the "incompetence" was at a minimum criminal negligence that should result in prison terms for key officials. Fitzgerald is a good example. There's no way one can claim a smart guy like Fitzgerald forgot about those meetings with Mohamed when he testified under oath or that he didn't understand what Mohamed was saying when he gave very clear warnings of future attacks. Fitzgerald should be one of many officials behind bars right now.

Anyway, it should be a "must read" book for people interested in terrorism. One can argue about conclusions, but he's a good researcher who has dug up a lot of new information. It makes one wonder where all the other journalists are and what are they doing aside from being stenographers for official pronoucements. Another thing I like about Lance's work is that he plays no favorites with Democrats or Republicans. A lot of the failures in this book took place during the Clinton administration, but then things just get worse during the Bush administration and the worst characters are the ones who seem to always get promoted up to and including the present day. Clearly, the intelligence agency problems shown here go a lot deeper than just political party. The whole system is rotten.



The whole system is rotten
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:14 AM
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11. I hope you are wrong
but I fear you are right.

The whole Usama/Osama myth is so much crap and Fitzgerald played a major role in creating that myth.

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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:23 AM
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13. Wow!
There are some very serious accusations in there, without any validation whatsoever.

Suggesting Fitzgerald has perjured himself infers that he is prepared to pour his whole career down the toilet. Incredible.

Given the absence of qualified facts to the contrary, I'll continue to assume that Fitz is still working with the GJ in pursuit of wrongdoing according to his brief.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:32 AM
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15. not my words but only time will tell, remember Iran-Contra BCCI
Kerry really got to the bottom of all that didn't he? :sarcasm:

Even if you're one of the "good guys" doesn't mean much sometimes
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:40 AM
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16. Kerry got way too close
as usual your posts are worthy of their own archive(s).

Thanks for the information.

I hope Fitz is still in this fight - cause the hope for Democracy depends on it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:47 AM
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17. THANK YOU and for anyone not familiar with BCCI
GREAT STUFF HERE

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/BCCI

BCCI and John F. Kerry
Senator John F. Kerry tried to do something about BCCI. He found the bank by chasing down the international drug running of former Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega. What's weird is how few Democrats supported him then. What's even stranger is how little his campaign brought this up. It would have demonstrated candidate Kerry's willingness to combat terrorism, money-laundering, big oil and international big business and their influence on American politics.

BCCI and James Bath
The Bush-Saudi Connection

EXCERPT...

Jihad

SNIP...

Salem bin Laden, Osama’s brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Bath’s former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A.. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush’s first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden’s representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests."

In addition to doing aviation business with Saudi sheiks, Bath was part owner of a Houston bank whose chief stockholder was Ghaith Pharaon, who represented the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal global bank with branches in 73 countries. BCCI proceeded to defraud depositors of $10 billion during the ‘80s, while providing a money laundry conduit for the Medellin drug cartel, Asia’s major heroin cartel, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and Islamist terrorist organizations worldwide. (5)

Big Three wheeler-dealer Khalid bin Mahfouz, one of the largest stockholders in the criminal bank, was indicted when the massive BCCI banking scandal blew apart in the early 1990s. The Saudi royal family placed him under house arrest after discovering that Mahfouz had used the royal bank to channel millions of dollars through fake charities into bin Laden’s organizations, but Mahfouz was not so much punished as inconvenienced. Members of the Wahhabist Saudi oligarchy are driven by the sometimes conflicting emotions of power lust and religious fervor. Their support of radical Islamists follows from their ambition to dominate the Muslim world, but their fear that radical Islamists might overthrow the Saudi regime at home motivates them to fund and encourage holy warriors in countries other than their own.

As Daniel Pipes points out, jihad (holy war) is a central tenet of Muslim belief . "According to one calculation, Muhammad himself engaged in 78 battles, of which just one (the Battle of the Ditch) was defensive. Within a century after the prophet's death in 632, Muslim armies had reached as far as India in the east and Spain in the west. " (7) Pipes traces the bloody advance of fundamentalist jihadists against their twentieth century co-religionists. "Islamists, besides adhering to the primary conception of jihad as armed warfare against infidels, have also adopted as their own Ibn Taymiya's call to target impious Muslims. This approach acquired increased salience through the 20th century as Islamist thinkers . . . promoted jihad against putatively Muslim rulers who failed to live up to or apply the laws of Islam. The revolutionaries who overthrew the Shah of Iran in 1979 and the assassins who gunned down President Anwar Sadat of Egypt two years later overtly held to this doctrine. So does Osama bin Laden."

CONTINUED…

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/BushSaud.htm

BCCI, BNL and Iraq
Recovered History: BCCI – BNL - Kissinger – Bush & Iraq

CHRIS FLOYD, COUNTERSPIN

- The opening of a long-delayed civil suit in a . . . involves our old friends, BCCI, the international bank that served as the front for a global crime ring involving top officials and Establishment worthies in dozens of "civilized" nations. BCCI ran guns to Saddam and other heavies, funded Pakistan's illegal nuclear weapons program, laundered drug profits, peddled prostitutes, doled out bribes, served as a conduit for covert CIA operations--and, through its connections to the bin Laden family, gave George W. Bush a sweetheart loan of $25 million to bail out one of his many business failures.

One of the respectable organizations tainted by the ring was the Bank of England, which was the financial regulator for BCCI when the front finally collapsed in 1991--leaving its legitimate creditors some $11 billion in the hole. Not surprisingly, some of these victims filed suit against ye olde B of E, claiming that its oversight of BCCI left something to be desired. But successive British governments--including the plagiaristic poodle-led pack currently in power--have fought for years to quash the lawsuit, the Observer reports.

That's because the trial could open a can of particularly grubby worms concerning the UK government's extensive canoodling with BCCI. A host of worthies are expected to be grilled in the dock, including John Major, former UK prime minister and current business partner of George Bush I in yet another secretive international front that profits from war, weapons, violence, repression and the greasing of highly-placed palms: the Carlyle Group. . .

The Italian bank BNL was one of BCCI's main tentacles. BNL's Atlanta branch was the primary funnel used by the first Bush Administration to send millions of secret dollars to Saddam for arms purchases, including deadly chemicals and other WMD materials supplied by the Chilean arms dealer Cardoen and various politically-connected operators in the United States like, weapons merchant Matrix Churchill. (As always with the Busha Nostra, geopolitics--in this case, helping Saddam wage aggressive war against Iran--and crony profits go hand in hand. Once the war was over and Iran was left a shattered hulk, with millions dead and displaced, the useful idiot Saddam was expendable, swiftly morphing from good buddy into budding Hitler.)

CONTINUED…

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0302/S00119.htm

More on Henry Kissinger and BNL
KISSINGER ASSOCIATES, BNL AND IRAQ

(LINKS to)

More on Kissinger and BNL BNL actually a client of Kissinger Associates Letter to President Bush Scowcroft stock ownership Many large defence contractors Background on National Security Council NSC influence over export licensing for Iraq Scowcroft and EXIMBANK military sales Conclusion Financial Times, 26 Apr 1991 Stock Holdings of Brent Scowcroft

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ. Mr. Speaker, during a special order last week, I revealed that Henry Kissinger was a paid member of the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro Consulting Board for International Policy. Mr. Kissinger held this position during the height of the biggest banking scandal in United States history-$4 billion in unreported loans to Iraq by the Atlanta branch of BNL. This week I will reveal some new information regarding Mr. Kissinger and his relationship with BNL. I will also include in the RECORD a detailed list of Mr. Brent Scowcroft's stock holdings.

MORE ON KISSINGER AND BNL

In order to learn more about Mr. Kissinger's role at BNL, committee investigators contacted an attorney representing BNL in the United States and asked him to contact BNL in Rome. The BNL employee in Rome told BNL's attorney the following:

Mr. Kissinger has been a member of the BNL International Advisory Board since 1985. Mr. Kissinger is paid $10,000 for appearing at an Advisory Board meeting and he is paid extra for speaking at BNL functions. It is important to bring these facts out because BNL is owned by the Italian government. In effect, Mr. Kissinger's fees are indirectly paid for with Italian taxpayer money.

Banking Committee investigators were also told that Mr. Kissinger may still be a member of BNL Advisory Board. His term does not expire until next month. This information conflicts with what Mr. Kissinger was quoted as stating in a Financial Times article on April 26. In that article Mr. Kissinger stated that he resigned from BNL's advisory board on February 22, 1991. I will write BNL and Mr. Kissinger in order to clear up this discrepancy.

Mr. Kissinger went on to state in the same Financial Times article:

I resigned earlier this year because I don't want to be connected, I don't want to be asked about this sort of thing.

But it should be noted that Mr. Kissinger supposedly did not resign his BNL post until over 18 months after the BNL scandal became public in August 1989.

Another interesting point to note is the timing of Mr. Kissinger's supposed resignation from BNL on February 22, 1991. That date is just days before the Justice Department announced a 347 count indictment against the former employees of BNL after an exhaustive 18-month investigation. This is quite a coincidence.

http://www.pinknoiz.com/covert/iraqgate04.html

Articles
Sightings from The Catbird Seat
DU resources on BCCI
BCCI and Plame (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4003885)
Witnesses called in BCCI case (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1544533)
9-11: The BCCI Connection (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=658476)
The Kerry/Brown BCCI report in 2 pdf files, ready for print-out (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1568810)
BCCI class action begins January 13th, London, UK (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=977792)
George W Bush Connection to the BCCI Scandal? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=157573)
Kissinger & BCCI spells BUSH & 9-11 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323)
Guess who ties ENRON to BCCI? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7548&forum=DCForumID70&archive=)
BCCI redux? bank failure in CA (http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=35668&forum=DCForumID60&archive=)
Call to Octafish: We need massive linkage on BCCI and IranContra. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2118878)
See also
Khashoggi Adnan
CIA
Osama bin Laden
Khalid bin Mahfouz
Oliver North
Ghaith Pharaon
Sightings from The Catbird Seat
Sarkis Soghanalian
James Woolsey
External links
http://www.american-buddha.com/bcci.affair.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:49 AM
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18. Interview with Bill White about the one and only James Bath
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:53 AM
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9. No - Fitz has not "officially cleared" f*ckface yet,
however there was some hoopla over a statement from Luskin f*ckface's lawyer, he said that Fitz sent him a "letter" clearing f*ckface but No one on God's Green Earth has seen this letter.

So No Fitz has not "Officially Cleared" f*ckface.

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:14 AM
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12. Yet the media ran with it making Rove look good for the midterms
nt
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:57 AM
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10. He's too busy going after the Democratic governor of Illinois.
Fitzgerald is not one of us.

I knew he wasn't going to play out like we wanted him to, because at the height of the "Fitzmas Frenzy" that overtook the liberal blogs, I kept reading stories in the newspaper about how hard he was going after "warez groups" that trade pirated movies and music on the internet.

Everyone was too busy making Fitz Haiku and Decorating their Fitzmas Trees to stop and take a hard look at this guy, a Republican shill.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 12:07 PM
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19. Fitz got an indictment for the former Republican Governor, George Ryan
And it took him years to do it. He is a very methodical and careful person. And he is certainly not one of us - nor is he one of them IMO. He is a civil servant trying to do his job as best he knows how.

If I were KKKarl, I would be busy this year throwing out a lot of misinformation about Fitz as too many people think too well of him. We all need to be careful that our opinions on based on known and documented facts as there is intentional misinformation being thrown our way.

Just saying...
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:25 AM
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14. Have not heard a word about this
other than Bush saying the investigation was concluded... Never heard it from Fitz though....
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