Bush to widow: "No point" in talking about the war

[BurtWorm]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/08/25/bush/index.html

On his way to vacation at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, George W. Bush stopped at a local elementary school Thursday to meet with family members of U.S. troops who have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. After the meetings ended, Hildi Halley, whose husband died in Afghanistan in June, said she told the president that it's "time to stop the bleeding" and "swallow our pride and find a solution."

Bush's response? Halley said the president told her that "there was no point in us having a philosophical discussion about the pros and cons of the war."

[stop the bleeding]

1. what a dick

what an asshole he is and insensitive

[brer cat]

45. Barbara's son through and through. Guess she's proud

of her little boy! grrrr

[Divine Discontent]

88. DON'T RUIN MY BEAUTIFUL MIND

with negative talk of the lovely Barbarino Bush! (puke) here's a pic I made for Jon lovers!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- check it out!

[midnight]

61. I have found myself using that phrase alot since 2001.

I wonder what the rest of the world calls him? Hitler wannabe?

[bananarepublican]

94. "Instead, let's blow up a frog! He-he-he." n/t

[jhrobbins]

128. Yeah, the frog thing really told me a lot when I first heard it!!

:puke:

[rrasile]

107. Bush the Asshole

I noticed how many people responded to this story. There's nothing I can add other then wondering where these people will hide when they leave office.

[liberal N proud]

2. And will we see this on Crappy News Networks?

What an arrogant son-of-a-bitch!

[depakid]

42. Nope- their job is to run cover for Bush

and promote the far right agenda.

And they've done this very well-

[jpak]

43. Hopefully it will be on local channels 6, 8 and 13

and the natives won't take too kindly to this Flatlander...

[On Par]

52. Bush Isn't Arrogant. He's Just Faqing Stupid !

You need to be smart to be arrogant. Chimpy doesn't have the brains to go one on one about any philosophical viewpoint other than to say..."You know...It's hard work"

[BOSSHOG]

3. He does have a point

bush couldn't have a philosophical discussion about boiling water let alone the intricacies and nuances and total package which is war.

And poor lady. A republican swallowing his pride and finding a solution? Its not in their DNA.

[Sherman A1]

36. Don't know...

I think he could have that discussion, he chooses not to do so. I really don't think he is the dimwit we would very much like to portray him as being. I think is very, very intelligent, suffering from drug use and a frat boy attitude, but not stupid.

[DemonFighterLives]

66. I give him no quarter

He may have a little IQ, but he sure ain't showing it. Any person with a brain would know the war is just a terrific waste of blood and treasure and would be re-adjusting the policy.


This is super cold and calculating. I don't see how he can sleep being such a prick.
:dem:

[Cha]

68. Sociopaths don't have a conscience,

don'tcha know.

Look up "sociopath" in the dictionary and it describes their boy bush right down to his mendacity.

[DemonFighterLives]

77. He's a bloody bastard

It is hard to be kind in his case.
:hi:

[bliss_eternal]

102. Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner...!

Quote:
Sociopaths don't have a conscience...

[chchchanges]

89. I am done with giving him a free pass....

What is this he is not that "stupid" BS? Like somehow this guy is a freaking genius in disguise.

He was a C- student, he turned every business venture he touched into a mess, he has done the same with the US government. He is a lousy father, an even worse public speaker, he is unable to put coherent thoughts on the fly when the situation requests it, he is unable to enunciate correctly, etc.

So yes, pure genius. What he is, he is a connected, spoiled brat, with little to no conscience, and a sense of entitlement unparalleled since Luis XIV. He has very good handlers, and he is but a puppet of a far darker and more sinister background organization.

He is able, and merciless, he has had the right connections all his life, he is intellectually lazy, and that is pretty much it.

He is not smart, he is not even remotely average when it comes to thought potential. Trying to think this idiot son of an asshole is somehow intelligent, is an insult to my intelligence (pun intended)

[Sherman A1]

98. You have your opinion - I have mine

[DemonFighterLives]

112. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Laurab]

93. I could possibly see "average intelligence"

but "very, very" - never. Personally I'm not sure he's even of average intelligence - he's failed at every thing he's ever done. I wouldn't want to "misunderestimate" him, but I think if he was even of above-average intelligence, it would become apparent at some point. I've never seen it in him.

Of course, I've never seen the "charisma" some people think he has, either, but I think that's more personal. Intelligence would have to show it's face SOMETIME.

[PurpleChez]

105. Heard some fascinating stuff on NPR a few years ago

suggesting that the whole semi-literate goofus thing is an act calculated to appeal to...uh...semi-literate goofuses. I wonder how Joe Nascar would feel if he thought that the preznint was condescending to him like that. What am I thinking...he'd still get down on his knees and thank Jesus that W was fighting against queer flag burning.

[Dragonfly]

122. "Intelligence" can be defined

in a variety of ways. When one examines *'s genealogy (Prescott and Poppy), you can see that the kinds of issues that "he/they" have promoted for 3 generations each have had to connect with a core RW kernel representative of an authoritarian mindset within each specific era to be effective.

I think that Bush is smart in a diabolical, sociopathic and relentless way. His role as a "war president" was probably mapped out a long time ago, per PNAC dictates. The "good-ole-boy" schtick is finally wearing thin, though, as even MSM pundits speak to more and more.

The idea that he "will not leave Iraq as long as he is prez" continues to concern me as January-2009 is quite a long way off.

The ability of a newly Democratic House 1/'07 to begin impeachment proceedings remains a big hope.

[don954]

4. you know, its a good thing Chaney is his VP

or one of these vets or widows might do something bush would regret. I believe that is the main reason Chaney is Bush's VP..

[Ken Burch]

87. Would Cheney take the widows hunting?

nt

[don954]

95. im sure more than one Gold Star widows and Moms would like to take channey

huntin... :evilgrin:

[Aviation Pro]

5. She asked for a solution Little Monkey

And you pulled some monkey shit out of your ass and handed it to her. You are going straight to hell, Little Monkey, after a very long stay at hopefully the worst hell hole of a prison that the world can find.

[AndyA]

6. What an insensitive, uncaring, inhumane ASSHOLE.

And George Bush professes to be a good Christian man? Bullshit. There's nothing Christian about him. He's evil through and through. The people who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves. Fucking idiots, look at the pain they're causing everyone else.

God, forgive me but I hate Republicans.

[Kikosexy2]

28. The antichrist...

is alive and well and living in DC...Book of Revelations warned of false prophets and antichrist and lo and behold it's true after all...Sad thing is we're all living through these dark times...Dear God, end the world or end this nightmare that is GWB!!

[mnhtnbb]

56. www.bushisantichrist.com

For those who believe in the antichrist, this is a helluva an argument!

I always forget to put it down here so you can click


www.bushisantichrist.com

[Lochloosa]

76. Ok..that was a little wierd.

and added to my favorites for later not so drunk viewing.

[geardaddy]

35. Here's a bumper sticker you might like

[NewJeffCT]

7. He'd prefer we just ignore the war, it seems

Imagine if we had a real media who weren't afraid to question the president? A media that would dare to show the flag-draped coffins as they came home every week? Heck, a media that raised some questions before the war would have been nice.

What a cold response, though.

[yellowcanine]

8. All he had to say was, I am sorry for your loss and I welcome your input.

No need to get all pissy about it, George.

[WinkyDink]

37. You are asking that he think a.) in a way totally foreign to himself; and

b.) like a human being.

Good luck with that.

[xxqqqzme]

9. who allowed this peasant 2 speak?

screamed the son of privilege, wealth and stolen power.

[fooj]

22. Wow.

screamed the son of privilege, wealth and stolen power.

That says it all.

[bliss_eternal]

100. He can be such a dismissive prick

when he wants to, can't he?

Well said, btw. :hi:

[whistle]

10. Wow, in other words Bush is saying that he is the dictator in charge

....and what he says goes! Bush will neither stop the bleeding nor swallow any pride because he, Bush, knows the solution. No questions, no debate, just swallow your pain and follow Bush's orders.

[Midlodemocrat]

11. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

I detest him more every day.

[Hugin]

12. Wait! Didn't he realize they had to have this meeting at an Elementary?

I assume it was to gather the large number of family members affected by the war.

It's not just Cindy Sheehan anymore, George.

[kurth]

13. WHY DID HIS BOAT NOT SINK?

[WinkyDink]

38. Why did his umbilical cord not strangle him?

[The Wizard]

108. Why didn't

Babs swallow?
OK now go vomit with that image in your head.

[Old and In the Way]

14. Bush is a sociopath.

I sincerely hope we can forget the philosophical discussion and go directly to criminal prosecution when we take back our government in November.

[Beelzebud]

15. Odd he would use the words "No Point".

Thats kinda what everyone is dieing for, right? No Point.

[mom cat]

27. He is saying there is no point in talking to peons like the widow!

[guinivere]

67. 'No Point' is a good name for his war.

What an insensitive idiot.

[Golden Raisin]

16. And on his way to more vacation!

I guess this is one soundbite we won't see played over and over 24/7 on FOXCNNMSNBC. Howard Dean's "scream" was televised to death. And I'm sure we'll soon see the obligatory vacation footage of Dubya & Poppy zooming around the waters off Kennebunkport. Dubya basically spitting on a war widow will never see the light of day.

[The Count]

17. "Philosophical" - see? reading Camus WAS useful. Big word there, Jr!

Not really used in the right context, as the question was very concrete and pragmatical, emotional even, but hey, maybe next time!

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. !

:evilgrin:

[librechik]

18. "we're stayin and that's final as long as I'm president

so discussion is pointless. I'm the Decider, and you just watch me decide, see? So you might as well just shut up."

[genie_weenie]

19. He's right all War Widows should

shut up and Stay the Course... As Coulter said those harpies are probably glad their husbands died...

[InternalDialogue]

20. Political ideologies aside,

he is incapable of showing any amount of respect to anyone. Touching, sneering, laughing, dismissing, cajoling, ignoring, patronizing, scoffing, belittling, obfuscating, evading, misleading, lying, misrepresenting, slurring, underevaluating, condescending, blatting, oversimplifying, interrupting, rejecting, redirecting, overgesticulating -- nothing he does shows that he has an ounce of human respect for anyone else.

[nevergiveup]

50. you left out "farting"

[InternalDialogue]

75. Oh, damn.

You're right. Farting.

Totally disrespectful farting.

[The Wizard]

109. You have just described

The GOP strategy for success. Bushigula is the embodiment of GOP thought disorders and loose associations. Serial killer with a license is also part of the Bush character.
It's really about sex. They are fearful of exposing emotions and thus their personal relationships are wanting. These folks are always angry. I believe it was Jackie Kennedy who said you really don't know how good it is to be a Democrat unless you've been a Republican first. Most of them could use products made by Fleet. They are the party of dildos and prostitutes.

[Straight Shooter]

21. Translation: "Mrs. Halley, I don't give a fart about your husband." n/t

[mtnester]

23. Reducing her husband to a pro or con

despicable

[Flying Dream Blues]

24. The rage I feel at yet another example of his unspeakable

callousness is beyond words. How DARE he treat a widow of his own making in such a disrespectful way? He has NO compassion, but what's scarier, he can't even FAKE it or know when faking it might be appropriate.
:grr: :nuke:

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[WinkyDink]

40. Hey! Nobody said Bush was a TALENTED psychopath!

[UTUSN]

25. He told a Gold Star mother a few months ago...

She gave him a talking-to and asked for an accounting of how things went down in the operation her son was killed in. He said he didn't know and moved on. "Presidential coins" were passed out to the families. When he passed by again, he said to her, "Now don't go selling it on eBay!"

He's a psychopathic turd.

[yorkiemommie1]

29. this quote and the OP should be translated

into every language spoken in the US and dropped from airplanes.

[Missy Vixen]

54. I'm sure she's much more polite than I would have been

>When he passed by again, he said to her, "Now don't go selling it on eBay!"<

I would have handed the coin back to him at that point and said, "Thank you but no thank you," turned on my heel, and left.

Julie

[Johnny Noshoes]

63. Gotta tell you

your reply to him is a LOT nicer than I'd be. I'd probably say something along the lines of "you've got to be blankin kidding me" fill in the blankin with any number of colorful profanities.

[ekelly]

129. I would have said,

"The listing fee would cost me more than it's worth anyway." And then dropped it at his feet and walked away.

[chill_wind]

72. That makes me want to vomit.

I'd like to say that he could should be dropped off from a jeep somewhere in the middle of Baghdad for his next vacation-- instead of reading Camus-- that would give anyone some insight into war real fast, but I would be wrong about him. Talk about an incomprehensible, total waste of grey matter........

[NJCher]

116. bush reading Camus

Source: Unconfirmed Source.

I hope some reporter quizzes him on Camus. I would love to see him answer that question.

He'll probably answer that it's some kinda' federal program.




Cher

[PegDAC]

123. What a Insufferable SOB!

I'd have shoved the damned thing up his left nostril.

[Aviation Pro]

26. Right after the debacle of Somalia....

...which was initiated under GHW Bush, which later became "Black Hawk Down." It was reported (by the rightwing nutcases) that President Clinton had told the kin of MOH winner SFC Gordon (after being rebuked by Gordon's father) that "he didn't kill the kid."

Well, that turned out to be false, but in this case, it was absolutely true and shows the world how effed up Little Monkey is.

[saracat]

31. If you read the original article in the Maine paper

it is followed by the most incredible suck up Freeper comments you could see! And vicious attacks on Democrats esp Kerry! They call in a Viet Cong sympathizer! Also, in the article itself the father of a slain soldier says how wonderful it is that someone like Bush could take 20 minutes to talk to them. It showed how wonderful he was! He says he has always supported Bush and this shows how much he cares about each and every family! Excuse me? His son died and he is thrilled about 20 minutes? This is brainwashing at its worst.I want to be ill.

[mnhtnbb]

57. It's cognitive dissonance. People who have lost loved ones

want to believe it was for a 'noble cause'. If they acknowledge there was no noble cause, then they're faced with doing something about it. It's much easier--less painful and life altering-- to believe your son died for something.

[PurpleChez]

106. Absolutely. But I'm still at a loss to explain

the millions of 22-year-old CR frat boy types who haven't enlisted, aren't going to enlist, and don't know anyone else who has enlisted, and who still think that the war is the most incredible, wonderful thing our country has done since D-Day. Cognitive dissonance is at play, along with a heapin' helpin' of redneck-style macho posturing. They're like the dorkwads who spend the entire damn work week yammering about the previous weekend's football games, all the while referring to their favorite teams as "we." The war is that, just kicked up a notch. OK...several notches. Still, they get to blather on about all the Ay-rabs "we" killed, but they don't have to miss a single Dave Matthews Band concert.

[NJCher]

118. uh, yeah, but...

...it is followed by the most incredible suck up Freeper comments you could see!

If you read all the responses, you see that said freepers got their asses kicked royally, not just with logic but with some brutal sarcasm.

Poor Beth from rural Maine. I'll bet she's really some flak from the WH.




Cher

[lectrobyte]

32. Of course there's no point from "the decider's" perspective. What a dick.

[tlsmith1963]

33. This is Why...

...GWB needs to be impeached. The war is going badly, & yet he does nothing to change things. More & more people will die because of this man, & for what? Oil? World domination? If we get congress back, they had better impeach Bush. I am sick of standing by & watching all this crap happen.

Tammy

[bdamomma]

126. many of us are tired of standing by and watching

when will we stop standing by and watching????

[SunDrop23]

34. A better response would have been for chucklenuts to say

"I enjoy using service men and women as cannon fodder and I love screwing them twice...once by sending them to fight a war to make me and my friends rich and the second time by cutting VA benefits. So fuck you, your husband, and the troops..."

[mnhtnbb]

58. Hey Sundrop--Price is my congressman, too.

[SunDrop23]

70. Hi mnh!

Good to hear from you!

I think the world of Congressman Price and all he has done for our district. Now if we could just replace our senators!

[bliss_eternal]

101. OMG...

"chucklenuts"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[PegDAC]

124. SunDrop must be a Mike Malloy fan! n/t

[wiggs]

39. Chilling statement when you think about it. nt

[ObaMania]

41. Now this is something our lame-assed dem pundits can hammer..

.. home on the news programs. But will they?

I have my doubts.

[hpot]

44. Why is everyone here mad?

Bush was telling the truth. It would be pointless speaking to him cause he is just a puppet.

[pinto]

46. His off-hand comments often tell the tale.

[Diane R]

48. Please kick and recommend this

The media can only ignore it if we let them. They need to see that the public is outraged by this behavior from the 'President'.

[stevietheman]

47. The Chimp is a worthless, fucking shitstain and deserves...

the eternal bitter enmity of the families of all the dead and injured troops.

[sakabatou]

49. What. an. asshat.

[TheWatcher]

51. Would someone please come and Liberate us?

PLEASE?

[Bucky]

53. Sending off other people to die is not a "philosophical discussion"

Talking about what he's doing is his goddamned job. What a monarch.

[Norrin Radd]

55. "The" war, eh?

I think it's "your" war, bush.

[onehandle]

59. Fucker. nt

[peace frog]

60. Well done, Mrs Halley, however...

you poured your heart out to an unrepentant sociopath who neither knows nor cares for your pain.
Do not be fooled by his weepy eyes, a serial killer can produce tears on command.
YOUR LOSS MEANS NOTHING TO HIM.

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. He's such an a$$. nt

[DemonFighterLives]

64. The pRes. can't waste his beautiful mind on such trivial pursuits

About that time, she should have said, Hey sucker, I'm not going to let this go.
I think it is past time that the dead be brought home in honor, not the cover of night. Isn't there some way that the censorship can be ended?

dubby probably had the wrath of poppy on his little mind, philosophy be damned.
:freak:

[KamaAina]

65. But he still won't meet with Cindy

Why is he so afraid of Cindy? Is she going to spray him with Peace(TM) or something? :eyes:

[Olney Blue]

69. The Gold Star mom wasn't asking for a philosophical discussion-

she was telling him to end the fucking war.

[OwnedByFerrets]

71. Dictators don’t have to have either

sympathy or empathy. They are above petty issues like that. I, too, believe we do ourselves an injustice when we say he has no intelligence. A person of no intelligence would have “some” justification for the injustices he has done. A person of “some” intellect has none.

[Ilsa]

73. "No point" in talking about the war because he

is going to do whatever the fuck he wants, especially if that demon Cheney says to.

Fuck Bush.

[Ilsa]

74. "No point" in talking about the war because he

is going to do whatever the fuck he wants, especially if that demon Cheney says to.

Fuck Bush.

[spanone]

78. Stupid is as stupid does. George is one stupid fucker.

[Gman]

79. It never ends

it just never fucking ends.

[NMMNG]

80. Of course--B*sh only wants to discuss the pros of the war

Or at least what he considers the pros. He's incapable of admitting the cons. :eyes:

[Dystopian]

81. BUSH IS EVIL.

:kick:

[mmonk]

82. Dictatorships don't engage in such discussions, so

in a way, he is right.

[emald]

83. what an ugly little monkey of a man

this is not a "philosophical discussion" situation. That we as a people put up with this is surprising me more and more everyday. When will it all end? When will GWBushit and his cabal of evil be gone? seems like never.

[DallasNE]

84. Bush Uncharacteristicly Didn't Have Much To Say

But when he did it was testy and uncalled for. And what happened to the staff work that let a Democrat have a face to face meeting with Bush. This woman is of a like mind with Cindy Sheehan and she was granted time with Bush.

[peacetalksforall]

85. I hope that some one of you has the time to document this stuff. Putting

a copy in a time capsule might be a safe idea. Text and tape. Tape and text. Time, place, audience with mention of it in a newspaper or tv as back-up. You know how they tried to canonize Reagan. And we can't trust corporate propaganda networks to keep archives.

There are many types of intelligence. I'm not sure in which way some people think he is smart. He has no social and diplomatic intelligence. He is the consummate backslapping, cheerleading, frat jerk who has been suffering from arrested development for 50+ years.

We can take pleasure in knowing that the unhumbled jerk is not a Democrat or Independent and the entire world knows it.

Beware of this jerk who can swagger while sitting down AND while chewing with an open mouth AND while talking down with the head thrown back AND while speaking to the Prime Minister of Britain - AND speaking in crass statements.

Beware of this jerk who might grab you from behind to rub your shoulders while you are speaking at a diplomatic meeting.

Beware of this jerk who rubs the heads of a wide range of men and boys.

Beware of this jerk who sneered at and refused to pardon a fellow born-again criminal who appeared to be sincere in her appeal for mercy.

The world knows and shall know. It will all be documented for posterity if anyone with the time can put it together.

[Chipster]

99. Coup Hope And Occupation Scrapbooks (CHAOS)

Yes, documenting the Coup, our Hope for overturning it, And the ensuing years of Occupation in Scrapbooks (CHAOS) to be passed down generation to generation, much like our family bibles, will verify our resistance to the Bush-Cheney-PNAC cabal's traitorous overthrow of our Constitutional republic. Reject revisionist history.

[DemonFighterLives]

110. Good post

No Child Left Behind Experiment Gone Bad!
:dem:

[Ken Burch]

86. Want to read the spookiest comment on this you could ever see?

Go to the Salon site, follow the link to the Kennebunkport Journal and read the rant posted by a "LJones of Bharm, AL". The guy starts out by attacking John Kerry(?) then gets into "end time" eschatology involving the head of the European Community.

wayyyy the fuck out there. You have to read it to believe it.

[Divine Discontent]

90. I just think it's hilarious that

ANYONE could advocate another term for this MORAN.

I had to make a pic

[pinniped]

91. Presidunce Asshole is not capable of having a philosophical....

discussion about anything. I'd be surprised if dumbass really said that. That word is far too advanced for idiot to be tossing around.

What did she expect?

Dumbshit doesn't have the capacity to answer anything without constant rehearsing and practice, just like fellow dumbass Arnold Schwarzenasshole.

[bananarepublican]

96. Correction: "Presifarts...". Your disrespect for his fart-loving antics...

... is down right anti-American! Perhaps a word association game is warranted here? ...

Bush-fart-olicy - a policy inspired by a particularly amusing presidential fart. Generally used at State of the Union addresses and Katrina related photo ops.

Pretzel-fart - a serious life threatening fart of rememberance. Emmitted every time Poppy tells the story of his bailing-out-on-his-buddies-WWII-story.

I hope y'all get the 'drift'! Personally, the stench is too much for me, I'm bailing out.... Geronimo-oo!!!

In case someone misconstrues the above, I am not a Bush fan.

[Rex]

92. There ya go folks, there is no point in trying to have a discussion

this ain't no democracy...move along.

[lonestarnot]

Fart'n deciders don't know how to discuss anything.

[lonestarnot]

97. Fart'n deciders don't know how to discuss anything.

[Lisa]

103. he brushed that WTC firefighter aside too ...

In 2002, one of the rescue workers ventured to ask (very politely) about protecting ANWR, and Bush made a dismissive, downright flippant comment.

http://www.dubyaspeak.com/energy.phtml


I am amazed that there is anybody who still thinks this man is a "people person" and "humble and down-to-earth". It doesn't seem to matter how nicely you address him -- even calling him "Mr. President" (which he likes), or being part of a group which would surely deserve an ounce of respect (bereaved parents, or WTC volunteers). Very, very disappointing.

[Solly Mack]

104. There is nothing "philosophical" about war when you're directly

impacted by it.

For some of us, it's our reality. I don't have the luxury of speaking about Iraq and Afghanistan "philosophically"...

What Bush really meant was "I'm not going to allow you to question my authority"

[progressoid]

111. I wanted to say, "what an ASSHOLE", but...

that's demeaning to actual sphincters.

[NJCher]

119. throws head back, laughs

that's demeaning to actual sphincters.

:rofl:

I love it. This is the best thread in days, ever since Katherine Harris speaking in the empty airport hanger.




Cher

[rman]

113. Well, we could have a practical discussion about the pros and cons

of the war. Would there be a point to that?

[NuttyFluffers]

114. would have had a spastic reaction and blurted out, "Callous M*F*er!"

i wonder if that would have got me in trouble. it's probably a good thing i wasn't there. i don't think i would have been able to stop myself in time, it would have been instinctual.

[NastyDiaper]

115. *, maybe you can talk about the pros and cons of crack.

the pros and cons hurricanes.
the pros and cons of terrorism?

[kenfrequed]

117. This is a balloon

It is a lead in to the "new" repug-nik rhetoric into the war. Defining opposition as "philosophical" belies the working class opposition to it and is an effort to try to paint opposition as "liberal elites" and College professors. Look for the republicans to begin using this more often as November draws near.

It is important to counter this right wing spin with regular repitition of more recent polls against the war. At the same time we must remember that it was the Republicans that stabbed our soldiers in the back by not providing them adequate protection gear, giving them a mission that made no sense and did nothing to stabalize the it, and cutting veteran benefits repeatedly over the objections of the democratic party and the families of those that have served and those that have fallen.

[Peanutcat]

120. Will someone PLEASE

Slap that moronic SOB upside the head?

[kdpeters]

121. Seems the president has forgotten who's the boss

and who's the public servant.

[bdamomma]

125. what a fuck head bush is

he never stops to show is arrogance............I can't say anymore than that.

[warrens]

127. Try telling that to the conservative right, Georgie

As opposed to the insane right. They're saying this: You can argue that McCain is wrong about building up more troops, and you can argue about whether a timetable is the right thing to do. But you can't argue that "stay the course" is a viable alternative. It's clear idiocy.

Having Shays come out in support of a timetable is going to shove a knife into the ribs of the hawks. He's been as hawkish as Lieberman, and now he's in full retreat. Watch support for the "stay the course" attitude evaporate this fall. Bush will be left on his own, and extremely vulnerable if the Dems take the house. Or maybe even if they don't. The Repukes who survive this election will have an even tougher one in two years.