Boy Charged For Meowing At Neighbor Lady

[proud2BlibKansan]

JEANNETTE, Pa. -- Meow. A Pennsylvania judge is being asked to decide whether that word is a harmless taunt or grounds for misdemeanor harassment.
Police have charged a 14-year-old boy with that crime. Michael Loughner is accused of meowing whenever he sees his 78-year-old neighbor, Alexandria Carasia.

The boy's family got rid of their cat after Carasia complained that it was using her flower garden as a litter box. Now, she said, the boy makes meowing sounds every time he sees her.

He said he's only meowed at her twice.

"I've had to put up with this for three years," Carasia said. "As I walk by, I see Michael and his mother. He got on the porch and hid behind the bamboo screen and starts meowing. If I don't make this stop now, they're going to keep doing this to me. I shouldn't have to worry about walking out of the house and being harassed by this young kid."

more . . .
http://www.local6.com/news/9725203/detail.html

[saltpoint]

1. Jesus.

[bigluckyfeet]

9. Meow

Meow....I would hate to have that lady for a neighbor.

[saltpoint]

15. Yep. I'm thinking she could wear headphones and listen to

some heavy metal.

She wouldn't hear any meows then.

[mikelgb]

14. meow

[soothsayer]

2. That lady is a neighbor from hell. I guess every neighborhead

has one. Yeesh.

[alfredo]

227. Remember, this kid kept it up for three years. The kid has a

problem too.

[Warpy]

3. Sounds like a guilty conscience to me

All she needed to do was eat a few oranges and sprinkle the fresh peels around her flower beds every day for a couple of weeks. She'd get a good breakfast and there is nothing a cat finds more offensive than the smell of orange peels.

[EFerrari]

5. Yeah. Or that spray -- Kitty Go Away! or whatever it is.

When I still had outdoor cats, one of my neighbors complained, so I just kept her stocked up and the problem ended.

/typin'

[mikelgb]

17. meow

[EFerrari]

21. Lol! That's it! I'm dialing 911 right now!

:)

[SoCalDem]

106. I have only ONE thing to say about this whole thing...

MEEEEow!

[EFerrari]

112. SoCalDem -- there's a kitty in your ceiling!

lol

[Matariki]

118. KITTY!!!

your cat?? cute!

my little zombie cat -

[mikelgb]

16. meow

[northzax]

49. so it's my responsibility to control your pet?

please. control your own damn pet. I might be tempted to control your pet with rat poison, actually. Keep your pets on your property, and there's no problem, is there?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

92. Anyone who poisons someone's pet deserves some time in jail.

That's the sign of a sick individual. No animals deserves that. Yeah, the owner's wrong for not controlling it, but anyone who poisons someone's pet is cruel and sadistic.

[northzax]

97. I'd actually just call animal control

over and over, if the neighbors couldn't control their pet. on the other hand, I might just hire someone to clean up the cat shit and bill the family for the daily service. if you can't control it, you don't deserve to have it. sorry.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

134. I'm fine with that, but I have major issues with your original suggestion.

Also, if you're so concerned about your garden, there are inexpensive ways to deter critters from going in it. That will repel the neighbors' pets and wild animals.

[northzax]

199. yes, like getting a large vicious dog

that should work. Again, it's not my responsibility to keep your animal off my property on a consistent basis. Sure, if Kitty gets out once or twice and runs around, hey, stuff happens. if it's there every day, you have a problem.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

204. A large vicious dog is more of a problem than a cat.

Anyway, poisoning or siccing a dog on a cat is cruel and sick either way.

[northzax]

207. not if I keep it on my property it isn't

then it's only my problem, not my neighbor's problem.

[Caretha]

169. Actually

cats bury their feces, so there is no cat shit to clean up, unlike dogs.

[proud2BlibKansan]

189. Thank you for bringing that up

Excellent point.

[phylny]

173. It's not the cat shit that's bad, it's the smelly cat pee.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't blame this old lady at all. She had an animal that wasn't hers pissing in her flower bed, stinking up the place, and now the kid is being disrespectful. Unless she's constantly bothering them, which the article wasn't clear on (said there was a history of disputes, but didn't say which party was the instigator) then the cat/dog/kid family should knock it off.

I guess the parents have control issues - couldn't control the cat, the dog, or their kid.

[dionysus]

222. wow you just exposed yourself as an asshole

poising cats, oooh real tough BIG MAN!!!

[htuttle]

188. It's like that Edgar Allen Poe story, "The Tell-Tale Meow"

[4_TN_TITANS]

225. or ground red pepper....

it wreaks havoc on an animal's sinuses. Also good for keeping deer and rabbits out of your pot crop.

Christ On a Trailer Hitch, there's a billion things that witch could have done to keep the kitty out.

[EFerrari]

4. If he stays out of the flowers, where's the harm?

lol

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Do you suppose she called the cops and reported this?

How did this kid manage to get charged?

[Eric J in MN]

8. Yes, that would be the most liklely explanation. NT

NT

[mikelgb]

23. meow

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. "Hello? Please send a cop over!

The kid next door is meowing at me!!"

:rofl:

[midnight]

182. Can you imagine the nonsense that some people say to

each other, and police would most likely do nothing. Now this kid meows and the police charge him with what? Impersonating a cat?

[EFerrari]

13. What is she going to do when he gets a boom box?!

People really don't know how to live together. lol

[undergroundpanther]

119. Put on Kitty

By The Presidents of the United States cranked on TEN..

Kitty at my foot and I wanna touch it!! Meow meow mow mow..
Or maybe The Cat came back?

Or, Pink Pussy cat by DEVO?

Or Love cats by the Cure?

All these songs have MEOWS in them..

[EFerrari]

125. Did. #111!

:toast:

[Eric J in MN]

6. This does not belong in court.

We shouldn't criminalize saying something just because it annoys someone else.

[mikelgb]

22. meow

[NashVegas]

213. No Way This Belongs In Court

But it's easier to sue someone than it is to get some resolution via allowing people to vent their emotions and deal with them, and it's easier to blame the bitch next door for being upset about her garden work being ruined than it is your own failure to control your pets.

[azurnoir]

10. Lets see

the nieghboor lady says it's been going on for 3 years, he's 14 now since he was 11? Sounds like the neighboor lady has "problems".

[Nikki Stone 1]

11. Now wait a minute....

This kid is being a goddamned pain in the ass. His mother is doing nothing. And as far as the cat goes, OWNERS are responsible for their cats. It is not the old lady's job to clean up after the next door neighbors' cat.

Now, whether the teenager should be charged, I don't know. That seems a little extreme. But his mother SHOULD discipline him. And if I were that old lady, I'd yell back some insults to both the boy and his mother. They sound like rotten little people

[mikelgb]

18. MEOW!

[Nikki Stone 1]

27. You're not cute enough to meow

And I'll bet your tail's not furry neither...

:)

But the boy is a little bastard and his mother should discipline him. End of story.

[LittleClarkie]

87. Me...oh, fuck it. Get me a beer.

[EFerrari]

89. LOL! After a long day in the flowerbeds.

:evilgrin:

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Meowing at someone is being a pain in the ass?

He had to get rid of his cat because of this woman. She is lucky all he did is meow at her.

[Nikki Stone 1]

38. For THREE years? YES! And his cat was shi*ting on her lawn

And his MOTHER did nothing.

I OWN a cat. You keep it inside. Or, if you let it out and you get a complaint from a neighbor, you enclose a place for it to run around in. Or you bring them inside.

And yeah, the meowing can get to be a pain in the ass. And the kid should have been disciplined by his parents.

[saltpoint]

45. She's lucky it was just a cat. The kid's family originally wanted a

rhinocerous, but they couldn't get it from the pound into their Volkswagon Rabbit.

[Swamp Rat]

168. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. So should I be following my cat around when she goes outside

to make sure she isn't pooping in anyone's yard? Or maybe I should put diapers on her?

[silverojo]

166. Classic example of a bad pet owner

<<So should I be following my cat around when she goes outside to make sure she isn't pooping in anyone's yard? Or maybe I should put diapers on her?>>

Maybe you should be a responsible pet owner and keep your cat indoors. It's what vets, humane societies, and all domestic animal experts recommend, because it prolongs your cat's life.

You won't think you're so clever if your irresponsibility ends up with your cat being killed by a larger animal like a dog, or hit by a car.

If the cat wants to go outside, let her out in the back yard and stay with her so she doesn't leave it. Or, if you're too lazy to do that, get one of those cat enclosures so the cat will be able to get some outdoor time, without being exposed to risks like animals, cars, or sick people who like hurting animals.

In short...TAKE CARE OF YOUR CAT!

[proud2BlibKansan]

190. Cats go outside

Deal with it.

I did have one cat I decided to keep inside. That plan lasted about a month. She wanted to go outside and hung out in the yard when the weather was nice. And lucky for me, my neighbors never complained.

I have had cats all my life and if you neuter them, they don't roam. It is the ones on the prowl that cause problems and get into cat fights. So I neuter my cats. I also think it is inhumane to declaw them. Get them a scratching post and they will leave your precious furniture alone.

[Ms. Toad]

216. All of my mother's cats have been neutered

and they all roam up to at least a quarter mile. Fortunately, since she lives on a farm there aren't neighbors within roaming distance. Where I live, that same roaming distance would take the cat into 30 or so yards and across a major road.

All of our cats have been indoor cats. Our cat that currently wants to be an outdoor cat was neutered (and declawed) before he was turned loose/lost/escaped. Both veterinary age estimates at the time we rescued him and behavior indicate he was neutered at the appropriate age. Neutering notwithstanding, he had a roaming range that we have verified of at least 13 houses at the time we rescued him. We haven't asked beyond that.

As far as scratching - I've owned/lived with at least 20 cats, all of whom have had scratching posts, and none of whom left the furniture alone. Regular nail trimming,experimentation to find less claw attractive fabric, and living with a certain amount of frayed furniture is about the best option - either that or don't have cats.

Cats live much longer when they are indoor cats. We just lost one at 16.5 years, and her litter mate is still with us. I don't recall any of my mother's (or mine when I was growing up) lasted past age 10. We placate our outdoor "wannabe" cat by carrying him to the newspaper box every morning to get the newspaper. Seems to satisfy most of his outdoor urges. When he follows me to the door when it isn't newspaper time I pick him up, give him a him a nice snuggle, put him down pointing back up the stairs and he trots happily off. I have yet to have a cat that can't adjust relatively quickly and happily to being restricted to the indoors.

[oblivious]

167. I have several neighbours like you. I clean up their shit every day.

I have to sweep up the cat shit every single day and the dog shit a couple of times a week. Sometimes the cat pukes in the middle of the walk for good measure.

I don't want to be a bad neighbour, so I don't say anything, but I wonder, what kind of people are these pet owners? What are they thinking?

So it's useful to see how you think.

[proud2BlibKansan]

192. Well good thing we aren't neighbors

As another poster smartly pointed out, cats bury their shit. So I don't know what you are cleaning up, but it ain't cat poop. :eyes:

[Lerkfish]

195. Only as a side point, no, cats do not always bury their feces

our neighbor's cat takes dumps in our yard, on the grass, and does nothing to cover it up. We have to clean it up. We happen to like our neighbors so we don't make a fuss about it, but it IS annoying.

[Name removed]

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[Momgonepostal]

138. they got rid of the cat...

That's not doing nothing, in my book. The kid is certainly being obnoxious, but that hardly seems a matter for the courts.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

197. Cats don't shit on lawns, unlike dogs.

They bury their feces. You're not going to step in cat shit. Cat owners should know that.

[Lorien]

208. My solution:

My cat Puck loves going outside, but I live in a very urban area with lots of neighbors-so I take her on daily "walkies" on her leash. We stick to the sidewalks and streets, and everyone's happy.

[Maine-ah]

170. Nikki, I'm with you on this one...

what happened to personal responsibility?

On top of it all it's really unhealthy to garden in a garden that's full of cat shit.

"Another parasite that can spread from cats to people is the organism that causes toxoplasmosis. Symptoms of toxoplasmosis include fever, shortness of breath and neurological problems. If a mother-to-be contracts the disease in her first trimester, it can produce cysts in the brain of the fetus. This can lead to developmental abnormalities or even miscarriage. The organism that causes toxoplasmosis is common in raw meat and gardening soil, and can also sometimes be found in cat feces."


http://www.ani-med.org/cats_cat_feces.htm

I'm pregnant, and my husband has to change the cat box now.

[TheModernTerrorist]

219. well if it's common in gardening soil

maybe she shouldn't be gardening? :shrug:
...just saying :-)

[niyad]

174. mikki, I see your point, but look at the other side--you don't know what

this woman is like, whether she is one of those constantly on the phone to the police, humane society, etc. I had neighbors like that, they were hated by the entire neighborhood for their mean-spirited lack of ability to get along with ANYONE. so, yes, people meowed, mooed, snarled, hissed at them regularly, because they were complete and total pains in the ass. Even the cops got sick of them. quite frankly, if this woman is anything like my former neighbors from hell, I wish the kid well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

193. I had a crazy neightbor like this one time

We live across the street from a park and she called the cops when my kids played basketball over there at 7:00 at night because the sign said "Park closed at sunset". So the cops told her "Lady, your neighbors could always just put up a basketball goal in their driveway, which is right outside your window". LOL

[upi402]

12. the lady could use some lightness of being IMHO

don't know the situation, just think folks could stand to laugh and take things more lightly in general.

[mikelgb]

20. prrrrrr...meow

[upi402]

26. WAHT? YOU TALKIN' TA ME???

:rofl:
i'm having a moment

[Nikki Stone 1]

28. Have you ever had someone harrass you day after day like that?

There are only so many laughs in a person before you really want to crush the guy's brains out.

Honestly, you're not seeing her side of it, and this bothers me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Oh come on - meowing is now harrassment?

[Nikki Stone 1]

42. Anything done deliberately to provoke can be harassment

I could call you ugly every day. If I knew it didn't bother you and it was a joke for both of us, then it's not harassment. But if I know that it bothers you and I deliberately call you "ugly" every time I see you for three years?

Come on. You'd have punched me by now.

Ugly!

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. I teach special ed

Trust me - you can't bother me. LOL

[Orangepeel]

209. If you called me "ugly" every day for three years, you would be an asshole

but a criminal?

I guess the residents of Jeannette, PA should be happy that there is no actual crime in their city.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

96. I'm sorry, but any kid that is forced to give up their pet is going to act

out and rightfully so. She's lucky that he's only meowing at her. I completely understand where that kid is coming from and I think that the old lady was overreactive about the cat in the first place.

[phylny]

177. The kid wasn't forced to give up his pet. The family decided that

they couldn't confine the cat, and THEY decided it was easier to give it up than control it.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

179. Think back to when you were a kid...

Even if giving up the pet was the parent's decision, in the boy's eyes, he probably feels that if it wasn't for the nasty old lady next door, he would still have his pet.

Also, the old woman could have taken steps to protect her garden from animals. This would have kept away both the boy's cat and wild animals.

[phylny]

185. When I was a kid, my parents taught me about personal responsibility.

It is in no way, shape, or form the old lady's responsibility to protect her garden from unwanted animals. As a pet owner, I'm responsible for where my pets go. It's not my neighbors' responsibility to put stuff on their grass or shrubs to keep my animals away.

The first time a neighbor called me to say that my kid was bothering them, I'd have a talk with my kid. The talk might be, "Leave Mrs. Crabtree alone - she's a pain in the ass" but at least I'd made certain my child wasn't harassing anyone.

[Matariki]

103. It's possible.....

It's really impossible to tell from the story. The kid could really be insufferable and maybe the woman had enough. OR maybe she was one of those cranky people who thinks all kids are up to no good, hates cats and wants to call the cops if someone so much as looks at her yard.

The thing is, there is no way any of us can tell which it is. We're all just speculating, and that those speculations more than likely from our own experience and have nothing to do with the actual situation. Given that, (on the surface anyway) it's a silly news item most people are just having some fun with. m'kay?

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. I was thinking she could use some xanax

[saltpoint]

41. Or some heroin.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. Let's roll her a good doobie

Then meowing will be the least of the noises in her head. LOL

[saltpoint]

86. Yep. It's gonna take somethin' strong at first.

[Exultant Democracy]

19. Oh god, we should send this lady a post card

or better yet hundreds and hundreds of cat post cards. I'm sure there is someone on DU who could set up a way for us to do this we could 3/4 of the money to the kid for college and spend 1/4 on kitty cat post cards.

[EFerrari]

24. What about just 100 lbs of litter?

There's error on both sides but, sheesh!

[undergroundpanther]

40. Maybe have like 100 people stand outside her house

For a MEOW in.Meow meow meow times 100 or more..Bring your cats! LOL...I'm sick of this ownership culture.Who owns the air? Who owns anything? We all die.we don't even own our bodies.. In Reality after this old coot is dead who will give a rats ass about her flowerbed,her uptight offspring will be bickering over who gets the car and the mosst the money anyways..but I am damn sure that cat was loved.The cat was a living being, flowers are a yard decoration ..this is the same stupid mentality where people to save a stupid couch will cut off their cats claws,for doing what cats do,more selfish human bullshit that leads to someone getting hurt...And not everyone knows about orange peels and kitty away sadly. YET another reason to keep all pet cats indoors besides crazy drivers,fleas, hostile dogs and catfights..add old crotchety homeowners who want to have theirs protected in a world no one owns reallly..no matter what or who gets hurt... to the list. Ohh and MEOW Motherfucker!

[EFerrari]

52. Right on! MEOW MOTHERFUCKER, you don't own SHIT!

:rofl:

:hug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. LOLOLOL

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

100. It's a t-shirt!

:rofl:

MEOW, M@THERFUCKER, You don't own Shit!

[undergroundpanther]

145. I want one!!!

Or...



Just fur You

[EFerrari]

147. Thank you!

:pals:

[Name removed]

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[saltpoint]

25. Thank god the kid was still a minor. Otherwise they'd throw the book at

him.

If you meow at neighbors as an adult, the penalty shoots up astronomically.

________

Let's not dismiss out of hand the possibility that the boy IS a cat. Two words, people: shape shifters.

(It's just one word when you hypenate it, I guess.)

The poor neighbor woman has likely never even HEARD of shape-shifters. Little does she know. This is a perilous world, and nothing is as it seems.

[Nikki Stone 1]

30. And because he is a minor, his mother should discipline him

Bad parenting sometimes leads to the cops getting involved where they shouldn't have to.

[saltpoint]

34. I'm sorry, Nikki. I'm not too worked up over this one. It's a tough

world, and meowing at people just doesn't rank among the emergencies we face.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. Yep that's how I feel too

The kid is being obnoxious but what kid isn't obnoxious once in a while?

[Midlodemocrat]

186. NONE of the Midlos are obnoxious. Okay, just kidding.

My neighbors have cats that are constantly in my yard. They get chased by my killer dachshund so all is good.

I have to say, the only problem I have with outdoor cats is that I don't want them to get killed or injured. I have deer and squirrels and raccoons as well. Should I kill them to keep the shit out of my yard?

I think this lady is one lonely old biddy. I wouldn't get rid of my pets for a neighbor, but I would try to make it so they didn't disturb anyone.

Frankly, I think the kid is pretty funny, but YMMV.

[proud2BlibKansan]

194. The old lady needs to move to an apartment building or a

community that does not allow pets.

[shugah]

221. i'm with you Midlo

i think the kid has a keen sense of humor.

[Nikki Stone 1]

47. If it's not your neighbor, then it's not a problem

But this is an older lady, probably lives alone, who dreads running into her neighbors because this kid is acting like an asshole. I feel badly for her. If this old lady were my mom, I'd read his bitch mother the riot act.

[saltpoint]

53. It was a solvable problem. She had her shot at it and blew it.

The kid's 14. Were you an angel at age 14? I wasn't. Not many of us are.

If she's undone by a 14-year old meowing her, how does she handle a real crisis? She could have fenced the yard affordably or used natural or chemical repellents.

A solvable problem, but no, she summons the cops.

"A neighbor kid is meowing at me, officer. It's unbearable and unpardonable. Please come and beat him within an inch of his life."

[dionysus]

223. 'bitch mother' eh? you know these people eh?

tis you sounding like an uptight bitch

[havocmom]

59. And, could it possibly be part of that free speech thing?

:shrug:

If this goes, how long before bush has Helen Thomas busted for picking on him?

[EFerrari]

61. Will she do it in English or in cat?

And, would he notice?

:evilgrin:

[havocmom]

73. He speaks neither

What the hell does he speak, anyway?

[EFerrari]

77. When we figure that out, we audition for Jeopardy!

:toast:

[havocmom]

99. Absolutely

I'll get the next round.

[saltpoint]

65. Yeah... poor Dubya. Harrassed mercilessly by Helen Thomas.

That woman has some nerve doing her job, doesn't she?

[EFerrari]

33. Penalty probably skyrockets if he also sheds.. Good grief!

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

37. LOL! We're gonna have to send this kid to Gitmo until he

makes a solemn pledge to never meow again.

______

Hey ya there, sfexpat. Awfully nice to see you tonight on DU.

[EFerrari]

48. Nice to see you, too. And you can have my cats when you

pry them out of my dark cold closet. lol

[saltpoint]

56. I like kitties and doggies and horsies and all kinds of critters.

I don't like Republicans, though.

[EFerrari]

64. They're not critters. I think the scientific term is scum.

but it's been a while since I keyed anything out.

[saltpoint]

66. 'Scum' it is, then. It works for me.

[Bucky]

31. As a rule of thumb, never believe a 14 year old accused of taunting

I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, but 14 year olds can be very cruel in weird ways. He knew he was rattling this woman's cage be the constant meowing. Sure it's stupid; kids do stupid things. But it's also a power trip, an absurdist form of bullying. He shouldn't be arrested, tho. He should be sentenced to clean up her yard, do community service, or something else to remind him that this is human being he's harassing.

[Don Claybrook]

44. He should be sentenced to do community service at her place?

What for? On what grounds? What's the crime?

thanks.

[Bucky]

67. Harassment is a crime. Of course I don't know all the particulars here...

but then again, no one who's only read the news story knows all the particulars. What I don't get is people in this thread thinking the kid's right about having only meowed at her twice. I work with teenagers. I've seen plenty of bullies at that age take the stupidest shit and by constant repetition make someone's life a living hell just for the silly amusement it brings them.

When someone says they're being harassed, 99 times out of 100, they're not just making it up. They're not "begging for it", they're not "asking for it", and they aren't "getting what they got coming to them." Being bullied is a terrible experience and I believe this woman has been put thru the ringer by this little bully.

But again, I'm open to hearing new facts that will alter my perception of the problem.

[Kickoutthejams23]

203. Harassment fine. but harmless free speech taunting?

I can only imagine all the people in DU who could do some time if we define harassment that broadly. On another note the old bat is intimidated by a 14 year old kid? After this Margret Hamilton wanna-be got rid of his cat? If I was her when I walk down the street I'd keep my eyes open for falling houses.

[Sparkly]

35. Having made the mistake of not using diplomacy in the first place

(this story makes such a great metaphor), the woman can not win by ratcheting up the war with her neighbor.

The boy has plenty of teenage years left to make her life miserable, out of the pain and anger he feels over the loss of his pet.

She can only talk with him -- and not TO him, WITH him. She can listen to him, understand him, express her understanding of him, work out a solution with him, and thus MAKE PEACE with him.

If it were me (of course if it were me I'd have dealt with it in a way that didn't require the family to get rid of their cat in the first place), at THIS point, I'd work out an agreement that allowed him to have a new kitten, without violating whatever her boundaries were, and GO WITH him to bring home the new treasure.

It's really not so difficult.

[EFerrari]

46. Reciprocally, the family could have figured out that having outdoor

cats might not be a good idea. They tend to get smashed and stuff.

I'd call Homeland Security on the whole neighborhood because it sounds like there are no adults there.

[Ms. Toad]

218. Primary reason my cats are all indoor cats...

<<They tend to get smashed and stuff.>>

My line is that I prefer my cats three dimensional, rather than two dimensional.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

165. I would like to express...

My appreciation for your excellent solution.
Certain evidence of one who could serve as a diplomat.

A simple, yet profound solution.

Thank you.

[Matariki]

43. SHE MADE HIS PARENTS GET RID OF HIS CAT!!!

That's just mean, evil and rotten. He probably LOVED his cat. now she wants to get him in legal trouble for reminding her of how heartless she is. she's lucky he only meowed at her a couple times.

i don't care for cat haters. nope, not one bit.

[undergroundpanther]

50. She is as sick as frist

MEOW! May her guilt consume her and may shame humiliate her,and may her flowerbeds all dry up and wither and die.Evil indeed.A pox on the cat haters..

[Nikki Stone 1]

51. No., if you're assigning evil, then ask about the kid's mother who

lets him get away with this shit.

I'm sorry but you guys are on the wrong side of this one. The cat was hurting HER lawn. The kid is harassing HER.

She's the victim here. The kid is a pain in the ass. And the parents are irresponsible.

[Matariki]

54. I kinda doubt it

i've had neighbors like that. like someone said, there's one in every neighborhood. they hate kids and they hate cats. mean mean mean is what they are.

[ScreamingMeemie]

181. I have kids and I have a cat...and a dog...and I take responsibility

for the bad behaviour of all three. :shrug: It's really that simple. One, the mom is a jerk (I'd use another word, but I'd be alerted) for getting rid of the cat. Second, the mom is a jerk for not telling her son to drop it in the interest of neighborhood harmony. I'm sorry, but the kid sounds like a little creep. My children no better than to behave this way. And we've had problems with neighbors who have had "issues" with pets in the neighborhood. I take care of the situation before it escalates into something such as this. I'm not saying the woman is not a jerk for suing, but I do agree she had every right to be pissed off and say something about a wayward cat using her garden as a potty.

[Don Claybrook]

55. The meower and his mother must be punished

I've come around to your way of thinking. You're right, in a free society, we can't just have cats running on others' lawns and then have some smartass meowing at the distressed victim of, uh, victim of catpassing on her own property! Ve vill not put up with this in our beloved fatherland!

[EFerrari]

137. Catpassing.

:rofl:

[northzax]

58. yes, the kittie lovers are remarkable, aren't they?

would anyone be saying this if he was barking at the woman who complained that his dog was shitting on her lawn? she didn't in fact, MAKE HIM GET RID of his cat, she made him control his pet. the owners of the pet decided not to actually control their animal, they'd rather get rid of it. He should be meowing at his parents who got rid of the cat, not the neighbor who, quite reasonably, didn't want to clean up after someone else's animals.

to all the people who think she was wrong to complain about it, can I bring my neighbor's irish wolfhound over to shit on your lawn? you won't mind, right?

[EFerrari]

68. I've had to spent a lot of time making sure my 85 lb Lab

not only doesn't impinge on anyone else but also, that no one THINKS she will. It's a negotiation and it's so disappointing that all of these people were involved with a little cat poop and NONE of them could figure out how to take care of it.

I don't let my guys out because it's dangerous. On the other hand, I don't meow all that well, either. lol

:shrug:

/typo

[Matariki]

72. So, I had this neighbor whose dog would shit on my porch

And I'd ask her to PLEASE put her dog on a leash or watch where it was going or something. So one day I come home and again, after asking her nicely so many times, there's dog shit at my front door. So I'm pretty pissed and I leave her an angry message telling her to come and clean it up.

I THEN WITNESSED SOMETHING NO ONE SHOULD EVER SEE -

She comes to my door in full clown gear, makeup and all. She does kid's parties for a living. And my creepy clown neighbor PICKS THE DOG SHIT UP WITH HER BARE CLOWN HANDS and throws it into the communal garden. Then gets in her car. Off to some kid's birthday party I assume.

[saltpoint]

78. That was no clown. That was Karen Hughes.

[EFerrari]

83. . . .

:rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Matariki]

85. Karen Hughes - Shit Throwing Clown (coming to your house next)

could have been any number of people come to think of it.

[saltpoint]

88. LOL! "It could have been any number of people come to think of it."

Terrific line. Thank you for that.

[Swamp Rat]

171. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You made this thread a great experience for me. Thanks!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[undergroundpanther]

102. i have had dogs shit on my lawn the turds

turn white an disappear,You see I don';t give a shit about lawns lawns are STOOPID. A waste of space,an ornament to impress stupid people with.A waste of gas to mow the damn things,gives rabbits and birds and deer no place to exist..Lawns suck.Besides we don't own anything.So a dog shits that's what dogs DO.do.

And So what? A turd on the lawn ooooh the sky is falling.
So a dog shits in the lawn once in awhile ask me if I care it fades into the ground and my ground sucks it can use the fertilizer I welcome animals,they are more important than playing up to the the suburban lifestyle crap.

People are so petty.
should I kill the wild bunnies for leaving turd pellets too?

When does this escalation game of ownership and property defense ever END? How many animals die because some damn petty human is in la la land and freaks out over a TURD in the GRASS. Geezus. Shit does not kill Stupid greedy people DO however especially when they think they OWN something and POSSESS it and patrol it..to make sure NOTHING natural or unruly violates their patch of golf course status lawn.Yank the weeds,Trim the bushes to perfect squares,keep the grass perfectly green uniform 3 inch hight..keep NATURE away!! Scary unruly nature and natures poo! Aaaahh . The suburban homeowners biggest fear is not being in CONTROL and dominant!! Aaaaah.Dog poo violates the homeowners pristine artificial illusion of domination over nature itself..Aaah.

[northzax]

200. you're obviously not a gardener

my mother's rhododendrons are her pride and joy, they make her happy, who am I to question that?

[FearofFutility]

215. Speaking only for myself

Dog poo doesn't "violate my pristine artificial illusion of domination over nature". Dog poo, when left to accumulate, smells really bad. I resent others who allow their dogs to crap in my yard without cleaning it up. I clean up my dog's crap. Why can't they?.

"So a dog shits that's what dogs DO". You shit, too, but let me guess. You don't flush.

[undergroundpanther]

232. I flush

But If I gotta go and there ain't no tiolet where do I go,the woods.

I only get a few turds at most. if you are getting enough dogshit in your yard to smell it from across the yard,ask your neighbor to get a shovel and bury it..

Gardeners have stinky mulch.Mulch reeks too. Every fall and spring it stinks.. worse than dog poo..But I don't complain about that because I don't care about nature's occasional stinks..

Lret me put it this way.. You don't put out stinky mulch I'll curb my dog and make sure no poop touches your prop-er-tee..howbout that? Gardeners always spray nasty chemicals to kill weeds..keep that shit out of my groundwater please. And those godamn loawnmowers at 7 am that noise drives me crazy shut off that fucking thing until at least noon..Oh and the pollen that fucker kicks up put a hepa filter on that thing it gives me allergies.. stupid garden freaks..Pull up that lambs ear that offending pollen of YOURS blows in MY yard and up my nose!!!!!! Shall I go on?

[FearofFutility]

201. I'm with ya

I can't understand how anyone thinks it's ok to allow their animal to use someone else's property as a toilet. Apparently, those of us who believe in personal responsibility are just cat haters.

[saltpoint]

63. "Cat Defecation Victims and their Tormentors -- on the next Oprah"

[undergroundpanther]

70. Fuck the lawn

The cat is a living creature who was loved,some people unlike you maybe consider pets like best friends. tHe old lady could have told them instead of bullying..In reality a lawn is an ORNAMENT a status symbol and WASTE of space.I don't pity the old coot's damn lawn I think lawns are a crime against nature A suburban blight.. I value living creatures lives over useless lawns.also some people are bullies and think a plot of dirt gives them privilege to bully any unknowing creature that walks by or messes something up .Some owners hate anyone getting near thierr property they are like attack dogs reationary sick personalities. NOBODY owns anything in this world in reality ,we don't even own our bodies. So to see this shit,a kid and his mom bullied to get rid of a cat over a lawn. If the kid loved his cat and the cat was killed for a lawn to me it is a sign humans are crazy. Disagree if you want but I think the I pissed here first game is what is KILLING this world. Someday it's GOT to stop.And getting a kid dragged to court after this old coot bullied his mom into getting rid off the cat that is silly.The old coot got her way,the kid is missing his cat and sick of the old lady bully.Of course he has his right to speak are you against free speech and the right to protest? the old coot deserves her fucking shame when she hears MEOW.May it haunt her in her dreams..She is ashamed and the meows remind her of how petty and mean she is.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

101. I'm sorry, but I've had animal hating neighbors.

It's difficult and often they'll make up stuff just to blow the how situation out of proportion. This woman could have taken steps to discourage the cat and other animals from messing up her garden. I doubt this cat is the only creature that has stepped foot on or defecated in her yard.

[Matariki]

108. what's that old saying - about fences and neighbors?

[EFerrari]

114. "Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

121. Well one was in an apartment building and the other one there

already was a fence.

Downstairs apartment neighbor would pound so hard on her ceiling that the whole apartment would shake if my 8lb cat jumped off the bed or if my 105lb self walked barefoot through the apartment after 7pm. Fortunately, my landlord realized the woman was a whackjob, so she never gave me any violations.

The second crazy animal hating neighbor would call us up to inform us that a "cat" had crapped on their deck. They knew we had cats, so naturally it was our cat. Nevermind the fact that cats bury their feces. They would also complain about our dog barking constantly when it was really a different neighbor. I'm sorry, but a 95lb German Shepherd does not yip.

So glad there's only one neighbor here and they have loud kids, atvs and pets, so they're easy neighbors who don't complain about anything (and we're fine with kids, atvs and pets).

[EFerrari]

127. And the world still turns in greased grooves. Good for you.

:)

[Matariki]

136. oooh, I had one of those neighbors

she would call the police and they'd show up and we'd be sitting there READING. No stereo, no TV, nada. And the police would say - "the neighbor complained, keep it down" - and we'd look at each other and ask "uh, how much more down can we keep it?" Stark raving lunatic that neighbor was. Would bang on her ceiling too, while we were just quietly sitting around. Some people hear voices. I think she heard marching bands or something.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

140. Haha...exactly!

Once I had a friend over and she didn't quite believe the extent of my neighbor's insanity. We're in the livingroom and just talking normally. The laptop was playing some music (low) and all of a sudden. *POUNDPOUNDPOUND* Directly under where my friend was sitting. She was like, "holy shit, she actually manages to get directly underneath you!"

Another time I was watching tv over at my other neighbors (next door to crazy woman) and the cops ring the doorbell on a noise violation. He sees us watching a movie and drinking some beers and he's just like, "Uh...some lady called me out here on a noise complaint, but I didn't hear anything when I was outside, so just keep being quiet."

If I was sleeping and the cat moved, sometimes she'd run outside to see if my light was on, slamming her door loudly a bunch of times. Yeah, everyone was friends on the complex except for her. She had no friends.

[EFerrari]

142. Those damn marching bands. You'd think they'd be more considerate

than to march in people's heads like that.

:)

[undergroundpanther]

116. Yeah

animal hating people live in fear of not being in control and they like dominating nature. Terrified little hairless apes trimming bushes into perfect squares,manicuring trimming mowing,endlessly,in a little golf course lawn of soulless lifeless green to impress other fearful hairless apes like themselves who are skeered of nature ..how pathetic and tamed some humans have become.

[Throckmorton]

211. Yes, lets shoot the little bastard and his parents too

I hope this gets me kicked off this board. Its degenerated into a nut house.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

212. Then go leave. It's not prison. If you don't like it, then just leave.

No need to complain and act out declaring you hope you get kicked off the board.

[Matariki]

62. I TAKE IT BACK!!!

It was his mean evil parents who got rid of the cat just because some crazy neighbor complained about it pooing. Mean, mean parents. That poor kid is DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY!

Before he knows it he'll be driving a '72 Ford Pinto and talking shit with The Devil. After that it's ALL downhill.

[Maine-ah]

176. .

"The boy's family got rid of their cat after Carasia complained that it was using her flower garden as a litter box."

How do you know that she made them get rid of the cat? No where in this story does it say that. All it says is that the family got rid of the cat after she complained. All they had to do was be responsible owners, there are other options than just getting rid of the cat. No where in the story does it state that she's a cat hater.

Personally, I agree with the woman. It's pretty nasty to run into cat shit while you're gardening. It's unhealthy too (toxoplasmosis). BTW, I'm a cat owner, but I keep mine inside.

It's called personal responsibility.




edit spelling.

[phylny]

180. SHE MADE HIS PARENTS DECIDE THAT THEY WERE TOO

LAZY TO CONFINE THE CAT!

Therefore, the parents made the decision to get rid of it.

I don't mind cats, but I hate smelly cat pee and poop.

[onenote]

228. NO SHE DIDN'T!!!!

If we're going to yell, let's at least be accurate. She complained that the family wasn't controlling their cat. Instead of doing any of the many things they could do to control their pet (keep it indoors, keep it fenced in, the parents got rid of the cat. Their decision. Not the neighbor's.

[Sinti]

57. Meow!! If this is the worst she ever gets, she's lucky

This is exceedingly petty, and silly. It should have been dealt with differently from the get go. This is not why we have law enforcement. This goes into the tasering kindergartners because they throw a fit file. A whole lot of people need to grow up in this world, stop thinking they're the most important person on Earth, and recognize who are the adults and who are the children.

[mykpart]

60. Hey, Lady!

Meow this!

[undergroundpanther]

75. Yeah! Go Kitty

Rwrrowwr! Flaming bags of cat poo on the front porch tooo! Ding dong..Meow..!!

[EFerrari]

107. Dear lord, I didn't know they had organized that much!

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

69. The woman could have put in a call to Bill Frist and this whole thing

would have been over in a remorselessly swift period.

That it played out for three long years is testimony to the tragic and mercurial world we live in.

Dear God hear our pleas.

[EFerrari]

71. And if you're listening, please reconsider global warming. n/t

[saltpoint]

74. Yes, definitely reconsider the global warming thing...

...and also, please have a huge Nile crocodile eat Ann Coulter for lunch.

[undergroundpanther]

79. If anybody filmed it, we could sell the video of that one..

give the proceeds to DU..LOL.

[saltpoint]

81. LOL.

[EFerrari]

84. Maybe Skinner would just want it, outright.

lol

[undergroundpanther]

91. shit I know I would want a copy

I'd get a bowl of micro popcorn and laugh myself silly hopefully not spray water and popcorn out my nose onto my cats lounging on the coffee table looking pretty ,they hate me when I do that.Done it twice and I think Rustle is losing his paitence.. LOL. But Ann Couter eaten by a Gator I think even Rustle would be into it and he'd cut me slack,shit he might be blowing catnip outta his nose laughing so hard..himself.

[EFerrari]

98. I can't watch her intact, don't think watching her parsed would be better.

My cats, who knows, they have their own tastes.

:evilgrin:

[saltpoint]

105. If she were chomped by a gator, some of her parts would be more

than the sum of her parts.

Plus there'd be one less Republican out there, and the crocodile would be happy with a filled belly.

[EFerrari]

120. Or, we'd have a poison case on our hands. lol

[saltpoint]

124. You're right. Those poor crocodiles. What have I done!?

[EFerrari]

129. I don't know about you, but I'm going back out to the flower bed

where life was simple.

_______

Thanks, I needed that.

[saltpoint]

131. sfexpat, here's another hello for you, and a thank you right back.

Tonight politics is pushed aside for cat poop.

[EFerrari]

132. And Space was grateful.

[saltpoint]

133. --

:pals:

[Matariki]

80. Ayibobo!

[saltpoint]

95. K & R. After watching clips of Dubya trying to speak English on

today's news, this thread has revived me.

The will to live has returned.

[EFerrari]

104. Agree! Thank God for cat poop.

[saltpoint]

109. Amen.

[undergroundpanther]

161. Cat talks better than bush can..literally..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6036658873440327262&q=cat&hl=en

[mike_c]

110. damn, I'd like to use her flower beds for a litter box....

eom

[EFerrari]

111. The Presidents of the United States of America wrote about this:

Kitty

Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow

Little bag of bones been out all night
Little bag of bones been out all night
Kitty, you're scratchin' at the screen door
Kitty, you're scratchin' at the screen door
Little bag of bones been out all night
He needs some pettin' and lovin' on his head
He needs some pettin' and lovin' on his rain-soaked hide
He's circlin' round my ankle
He's circlin' round my ankle
He needs some pettin' and lovin' on his hide
Oh kitty, won't you come inside

Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it
Kitty on my foot and I want to touch it

http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/658/presidents_of_the_united_states_of_america..presidents_of_the_united_states_of_america..kittty.html

Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow

[saltpoint]

113. So if the first trial finds the boy guilty of meowing, is the

appellate court the next step?

Would that Johnnie Cochran were still with us.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury..."

[ninkasi]

115. Maybe it's just me

but I can't imagine myself getting worked up about a kid meowing at me. I probably would have looked for a solution to the flower bed thing, too. The last thread I was reading before this was about homelessness, and the OP asked what people should do if they had no home, no money, no change of clothing, no anything. How do they survive, and how can they get their lives back together.

OF course, I have no answer to that, but comparing the serious issue of homelessness, and then coming to a thread about an old lady who is so upset about a 14 year old meowing at her was a bit of a shock. I learned from having only brothers when growing up that the most effective way of dealing with bratty boys is by ignoring them. If they are not annoying you, they'll stop.

[EFerrari]

117. Careful! You may get drafted as an expert witness in this case!

:)

[ninkasi]

135. You know, in some ways I almost am

on the subject of teenage boys. I'm the only girl out of a family of 5 children. My first two children were boys, and on my dad's side of the family, I only had boy cousins. Actually, most 14 year old boys are fairly easy to handle, unless they're really delinquents. This kid would have resorted to much more destructive means if he were that bad. He's just doing it because she responds to it.

My oldest brother used to sneak into my room when I was doing homework, seated on my bed, and throw snakes or frogs onto it. He stopped when I picked one of the snakes up and told it to take it with him when he left. I can still remember my oldest son, standing in the driveway waiting for me to get home from work, and greeting me with some question like, "You know that vase you used to have in the living room? How much did you like it?" It's just easier to let some things slide by you.

[saltpoint]

122. You're just trying to downplay the critical impact this meowing case

has on our nation.

Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean our society doesn't hang in the balance over the outcome.

The end times are indeed upon us when the everyday person doesn't care about grievous events.

May God bless you in spite of your myopia!

[Earth_First]

123. I want chicken, I want live, Meow Mix Meow Mix please deliver...

Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow
Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow
Meaw, Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow...

[FormerOstrich]

126. To me if the neighborhood cats and kids..

become a little too much for you to bear, perhaps it's time you move to a retirement or gated community near you.

I know all about how much better it is for cats to become indoor cats. However, I have had a cat for about 12 years. He adopted me and there is no way he would then or now become an inside cat (another story altogether). While I'd say at least 90% of the time he is around my patio and 100% of the time he will materialize when the dogs are being fed, I suspect 10% of the time he is out cattin'.

She could have solved her problem with 20 cents of Cayenne pepper or 30 cents worth of tin foil balls. Is it her responsibility? Of course not! So what? There are ton's of wild insects and animals that can attack your flowers. What she going to do about that?

I don't have any kids. Have I seen the kids, in my yard, doing some kid thing I'd just as soon they not. Yes. Does it matter in the scheme of things? No. Do I see kids out running along with their pet dogs our loose? Yes. Do I occasionally find dog shit in my yard? Yes. Is it my responsibility? No. Do I just clean it up and go on? Yes. So what? I hate cleaning up poop as much as the next person, but I've yet to have suffered any harm from doing so.

and don't get me started about those leaves from my neighbors trees that I have to rake up.....

I like living in the neighborhood with kids and pets and good families.

[saltpoint]

128. The solution to all those things -- dogs, kids, leaves -- is shock'n'awe.

It worked in Iraq; it'll work in our back yards.

[Matariki]

139. Beer through nose!

Stop that! Now! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

130. Damn trees! That may be actionable!

:)

[Richard Steele]

141. This is a "he said/she said" with very little real info. No opinion here.

[conflictgirl]

143. Thanks guys, this is one of the most entertaining threads I've read lately

I honestly see both sides of the story, though my inner 14-year-old (who had not yet discovered Buddhism) thinks it is HILARIOUS that particular kid chose to get his revenge that way. I'm not saying it was right, but it was still funny in a very schadenfreude kind of way.

We're big cat lovers around this house, too.

And now I'm going to have that Kitty song stuck in my head forever.

MEOW!!!!!

[gatorboy]

144. This reminds me of a Holy Grail quote!

"Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say “Meow” at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land; nothing is sacred. :rofl:

[undergroundpanther]

146. All your flowers are belong to US..

Round em up


As if they care

[Matariki]

155. OMG Your cat has a Hitler mustache!

[Nutmegger]

148. KITTENWAR!!!

http://kittenwar.com/

May the cutest kitten win!

[undergroundpanther]

149. My cat hates old crotchy ladies

http://www.mycathatesyou.com/
INFINATELY!

http://www.infinitecat.com/

http://www.catsonaplane.com/
http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/

MeooooW!

[conflictgirl]

151. My kids are OBSESSED with that site!

When we got our new kittens, they wanted to post pictures on there. But unfortunately the kittens are losing right now. :(
If you want to look them up, they're Cammie and Scotchie.

It was just a bad picture, that's what I keep telling the kids.

It's a KITTENWAR!

Meow!

[EFerrari]

152. Hey! Peace!

[dusmcj]

150. too bad his cat didn't puke up a hairball on her steps.

dumb old *

[undergroundpanther]

153. This is good catstuff

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1971131194639300333&q=cats&hl=en


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5813927386194445157&q=cats&hl=en



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-549594319270631238&q=cats&hl=en

[undergroundpanther]

156. Last one

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8019593833915054507&q=cats&hl=en

[dusmcj]

196. thanks !

:toast: that made my morning

[mykpart]

154. Found this in the Lounge:

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/

Lady better be careful!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

158. She should be happy this cat isn't her neighbor...

Midnight wears a spiked collar for a reason. She has beat up German Shepherds and scared pit bulls. Her main hobby on weekends is trapping our weekend pet Lab in closets and not letting her out. Yup, she's even a red file animal at the vet's meaning she's dangerous (but her attack on the vet's ass was oh, so hilarious).

Midnight could definitely have taken on that old lady.

[undergroundpanther]

160. here's a cat that is declawed.. and scared a BEAR..

Someone get this cat to Colbert report,so Colobert can give him a medal!!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-cat-bear.html
And another under house arrest oooh kitties going bad..
http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_3646541
Lastly cat shoots man..with a 9 mm handgun..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150007,00.html

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

162. Yeah, that actually happened in the town right north of mine.

There's a lot of bears around here. We see a mama bears with three cubs a few times a week. They're very cute.

[undergroundpanther]

157. Methinks this thread should be on greatest just for the fun of it

[EFerrari]

159. You're obviously partisan, lol. And, there's a vote.

:hi:

[Nicole]

163. She should have barked at him

Problem solved, no cops needed. :rofl:

[Tace]

164. I Don't Have To Tell You Where Mark Twain Would Stand On This...

Just think Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn.

[niyad]

172. so THIS is where my hateful neighbors moved!! seriously, I had

neighbors just like this--the ultimate definition of "the neighbors from hell"-- constantly calling the humane society on barking dogs (they constantly trapped cats and took them to the humane society) and the cops on the bar across the street, and on the neighbors who even looked at them cross-eyed. It got so bad that the police dept created a special squad of officers to respond to them.

they were truly a nightmare, and the neighbors threw a party when they finally moved.

[phylny]

183. I have two dogs, and I hate barking dogs.

It's a pain in the ass to listen to.

I've never called the cops on a barking dog, but I have called my neighbors - "Hi, I don't know if you can hear it, but Fluffy has been barking outside your door to get in for two hours. Can you let her in? Thanks!!!"

Sheesh.

[FearofFutility]

210. Nearly everyone on my street owns a dog, including me.

There are three families, however, who keep their dogs outside all day long and they bark non-stop. I can handle some barking, but constant barking all day, every day is just too much. The rest of the neighbors have all nicely asked the barking dog owners to do something about it numerous times. The barking dog owners are nasty, angry people and did nothing to address the situation. We then had no choice but to call animal control. I'm assuming they were all fined because these dogs are no longer barking continuously. It's a much nicer place to live. The owners of the barking dogs have been the neighbors from hell.

[Rex]

175. For the love of God woman! The boy is hungry!

3 years? Sounds like a desperate cry for catfood! Kitty poop makes good garden dirt! Just don't smell it. She should have fed the kid.

[ScreamingMeemie]

178. Let me preface this by saying I am a proud dog and cat owner...

I love my animals. So much so that I keep them in my own yard. Well the dog anyway. The cat owns the house. On the other hand, my neighbor sees nothing wrong with letting his dog "roam" loose. In a neighborhood of 50x120 lots, no less. I have a BIG problem with that. You see, cute little "Buddy" uses our landscaping as his toilet...while the neighbor sits on the porch and watches. WTF? Would I take the guy to court if he started barking at me? No. Is it the sign of a bad neighbor when one cannot control the behavior of their own pets? You bet. If somebody's cat was using my flower beds as a litter box I'd be pissed. I don't let my dog soil my neighbor's property. :shrug:

[Momgonepostal]

220. But they gave the cat away

WHat more should they have done? There is now no more cat.

[The Backlash Cometh]

184. Shit. You mean you can file a complaint for harrassment?

Damn. I need to bookmark this page.

[Stinky The Clown]

187. Thread Title Should Be "A Day In Court in Dumbfuckistan"

[Khayembii Communique]

191. Goodbye Free Speech!

I always found verbal harassment laws to be restrictions on freedom of speech and the First Amendment. It's basically saying "You're free to say whatever you want....but you can't say this." They're really annoying, really subjective (guess who decides what is "harassment"?), and really just pointless. All it really takes is to ignore people that are trying to verbally harass you. That's it! We don't need a law for that.

[peekaloo]

202. She should bark at him and chase him up a tree.

:rofl:

MEOW

[porphyrian]

205. Oh, tough fucking shit, mean old lady. - n/t

[TheFriedPiper]

206. Why is anyone picking sides in this?

#1 - we have irresponsible cat owners letting their cat outside where it causes problems

#2 - we have a bitchy lady who can't handle having someone say 'meow' to her


BOTH are wrong, BOTH are being stupid

NEITHER side is right

The only issue is: is this a matter for police?

The answer is obviously: NO

[undergroundpanther]

214. BINGO

And the whole thing is so fucking stupid the only thing IS to make fun of it.

And there are sociopaths bitter little narcissists control freaks nasty personalities,when they enter a neighborhood it goes to shit psychologically. I really hate sociopaths,in all this mess HUMANS are the problem.

It's humans that are insane enough to cordon off little patches of ground and play gatekeeper and use it as a status symbol as if THAT is sane.

Only humans want to dominate and control nature itself. Humans who or own it cut it in to pieces and divide it,screaming this is MINE stay OUT I pissed here first and any unwanted plant animal or turd is EXCLUDED on my say so and I will make WAR on anything that disturbs my perfect controlled area..!

It's humans who are bickering that nature does not obey them who spray poisons to kill it,trap cats,shoot dogs that bark,and kill animals for being animals hate kids who play outdoors,than whine that kids are "too fat" and an eyesore..When they have nowhere to go nothing to do,can't play for fear of lawns can't hang at the mall for fear of loitering...It's little Nimby homeowner control freak humans who whine that the grass does not stop growing so Monsanto makes a grass that is genetically altered to be stunted and not grow, whine that weeds pop up and mar their golf course suburban bullshit illusions.

It's Humans that value 1 kind of plant over another and insist none other can grow THERE destroying the very biodiversity that we need to keep rhododendrons able to exist,it's humans that invented dumb things like lawns to waste gas on mowing and water on watering spread poisons on to stop weeds that pollute the world with to nurture of all things grass, or only or certain flowers, plants that please the selfish eyeballs of humans or to make space for a few plants only humans who pissed first on that square of dirt are permitted to eat or who pay can eat. It's humans who can't handle cat poop or thier own poop the way Nature handles it way before we invented lawns..It's humans who,hate deer eating the rhododendrons as we rip up every wild space and turn it into something OWNED..and it is WE who expect a cat to be like an obedient contained little person..It's it's any living thing capable of love that gets hurt when they lose a friend. We are truly a selfish,controlling ,sick,petty, small species overrunning and ruining this wild Earth .

In Nature even though wolves and other animals have territories they do not control who goes there or what can grow there..They tolerate biodiversity until what goes through is an actual threat to life and limb of their pack a rabbit is not a threat a cat is no threat ..humans have blown the idea of territorial defense out of all sane proportion.Humans are a destructive,narcissistic,controlling,stupid small minded species when it comes to how we deal with nature.It's SAD.

http://motheranarchy.blogspot.com/2006/07/gardening-for-wildlife.html
check this out....
http://www.jefflindsay.com/NLCN.shtml

[FearofFutility]

217. You say BINGO

but you've clearly picked a side.

[undergroundpanther]

224. Yep this is WHY..

I favor nature over ego, I favor sharing over selective depriving ,I favor non domination over controlling and bullying.. and I realize no one OWNS anything on this Earth not even our bodies.
Also when does the defense of property EVER end? Read this..think about it.Property when applied to land and animals and nature is a invented FICTION ,A lie that causes class-ism ,corporatism and homelessness, domestic abuse and alot of other woes that hurt people and animals.Property ownership over land(place to be) and the means to exist food water air)is not respectful of creature or human rights to exist,and live.No one asks to be born to feel hunger or have to poop or have instincts yet Humans tells nature what to do where and nature is not so insane to obey humans. We are not lords of the manor. WE just think we are,and it's hubris. Hubris that is killing everything to dominate.To own control possess ,to have an illusion of certainty in an uncertain world is IMPOSSIBLE..

Slavery was the legal fiction that a person was property.
Corporations are the legal fiction that property is a person.
And in order to be deemed sane under fascism,
you must believe both fictions simultaneously.

When does defending property end?
Here we have a dramatic incarnation of Locke’s defense of private property. Whose labor established title to the land? Whose efforts count? Is ownership based on first come-first served? Locke said original ownership comes by mixing labor with land, which has too much metaphor in it to serve as a solution to the movie’s dramatic issue. Ryker was closer to it: his land was land mixed with blood. He who shed the last blood became the owner. This is what "Shane" is really all about: Who will be the last man standing?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north45.html
http://letters.salon.com/mwt/col/tenn/2006/05/25/cats/view/index.html
http://community.livejournal.com/petfree
http://www.nabr.org/animallaw/EmotionalDistress/index.htm
Is that the sort of world we want?

We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity (property) belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. . . In short, a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land-community to plain member and citizen of it. It implies respect for his fellow members, and also respect for the community as such.

http://www.bioethics.iastate.edu/forum/hettinger.html
http://www.animal-law.org/library/anmlprop.htm

Do fish own water?
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:bnwRLbXAYhcJ:www.law.fsu.edu/journals/landuse/vol20_2/Breckenridge.pdf+ownership+of+property+pathological&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=23

[FearofFutility]

230. I think you're really stretching it.

I don't think that asking pet owners to clean up their pet's waste relates to ethical land usage. We're not talking about wild animals here. But I do like this quote, "It implies respect for his fellow members, and also respect for the community as such". It is disrespectful to fellow community members for pet owners not clean up after their pets. As for the letters advocating killing pets over it, disgusting....

[yellowcanine]

226. So the kid is an immature jerk. The law allows that. Suck it up lady.

[undergroundpanther]

229. An immature jerk

Who has lost a friend.

My cat was murdered by bullies and I have never gotten "over it".
The bullies were never reprimanded.That is a big difference than saying meow.

A neighbors dog killed one of my cats and I was not told until 20 years later how he died. THe dog bit people yet because this man was a neighborhood"patriarch" nobody said anything to defy him.

Property is a strange thing a psychotic thing,because a popular man among the men in my neighborhood a "good ole boy" owned a vicious dog who killed my cat bit kids, ect..he was not confronted because of who he was.. His dog terrorized the neighborhood. Compare that with a crotchy old lady complaining a beloved cat is pooping where she doesn't like.The cat never bit her the cat did not damage her person or kill her companions. Yet she thinks it's ok to bully a too obedient parent into taking away a kid's FRIEND probably to a shelter to die?

There are so many double standards ,favoritism and status games going on with property issues there is no sanity with this mess just bickering over control most often by people who are narcissists with no negotiation skills who'd rather just dominate than interact with someone else like a human being.. It's stupid It seems the more popular or high status you are,in the neighborhood feeding chain and if you are the annoying squeaky pain in the ass to authority figures you will get whatever you want..Our culture always favors the narcissist the sociopath the bully bullshit games over supporting genuine relationships of equality and mutual respect.
Because our society is sick too much is built on colonialism,individuality without relation,inequality,competition, domination and control.

[Moderator]

233. locking

This has turned inflammatory.