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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:00 PM
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The Unending Torture of Omar Khadr (Rolling Stone)
I don't even have the words. I would rather not know. But if you want to know why your country-America-is no better than a third world hell hole-here's your answer-what's happening to the people in Guantanamo Bay. Reading this article is about the worst forty minutes you can have. I cannot imagine living it.

The guy has been tortured since he was fifteen years old. Beyond the fact that according the the article they waited until he was sixteen to have the status of an "adult" and could hold him-he has been in a solitary cell without sunlight or heat or enough food or a even a blanket and almost no exercise for the last FOUR years. He has been routinely beaten, starved, and not been allowed to sleep. This is what is being done in YOUR name. When he and other prisoners tried to have a hunger strike-it was ending by force feeding food through a tube in their noses and then, they were beaten.

For all the endless outrage about Israel-I wonder where the endless outrage is about the torturing of people in Guantanamo. Democracy Now spends endless hours on Israel and Palestine. I know they have covered this-but not enough. This is something OUR government is doing right now this second in your name to protect you. They mentioned someone-some man that is an Australian citizen that has been held for four years without trial that there were protests about this morning.

It's not abstract. It's not one side or the other. It's torture. And it serves no purpose and it doesn't have to happen.

I don't care if they are guilty or innocent. The estimate-by a military officer no less is that 75 percent are innocent. They were cab drivers, shepherds, kids-picked up in Afghanistan and sent to this hell hole for the rest of their life without trial or any common decency.

I don't think I will ever believe in America as a decent place again.

I feel like someone from Argentina, or Saudi Arabia-somebody that loves the place I actually live-and the people I know, the trees, the flowers-but that those that are supposed to represent me and are supposed to speak for me-are allow pure evil to happen in my name. I've know it was there. I haven't done anything. I'm ashamed to be an American.



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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:02 PM
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1. Here's a link
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:04 PM
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2. One thing's for sure
He and his family will hate us for generations-and with reason. And no matter what kind of government we will end up with after 2008, he and his will still hate us.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 04:29 PM
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3. it sure makes you wonder....
I used to be able to rationalize pretty good...but no more. The tired old phrases of life is hard, or life sucks have a whole new meaning. I wonder how much more meaningful they will become?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:10 PM
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4. this kid was screwed over from day 1.
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 05:19 PM by aikoaiko
From his birth he was trained to be a martyr by his fundie father.

From his childhood he was trained to fight in defense of bin laden by islamic extremists.

When the Afghanistan War started, he was handed a rifle and killed US soldiers.

And now we'll punish/toture him as long as we can.

Yeah, he was screwed from the very start. If he doesn't implode, I'm sure we'll be hearing from him again.



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AusGail Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:36 PM
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5. Didn't it used to be the case of presumed innocence until found guilty?
Imagine if people like the late Ken Lay was held in such conditions until he was found guilty. Hell, even after he was found guilty, he was still allowed the freedom to go skiing with his family and live the high life.

A couple of days ago there was a protest on the streets of Adelaide, South Australia for David Hicks. His defense attorney was there to answer questions and give information that both the US and Australian governments have been reluctant to give. 50,000 signatures were collected on a petition demanding his release.

Admittedly, Hicks' case is receiving a considerable amount of attention, but in the mean time, he still has to endure unbearable conditions.

Bush says that the inmates will not be released until after the war on terror is won. Is that anything like the war on hunger, or the war on injustice? We will always have terror, hunger and injustice and we will never live in a Utopian world. Unfortunately, these poor wretches have been sentenced to life in hell without a trial or proof being shown of what they were supposed to have done in the first place.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:40 PM
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6. Shocking that this isn't being Recommended even if those of us who
hate violence can't bear to read the article. I did a "Recommend" and am posting because folks NEED TO SEE THIS!

It's important...but I'm so overloaded with misery ...it will take me a "quiet time" to read the article. Many of us who know the Violations of Body and Spirit doen in our Name can no longer read about it...but we could at least do a "Kick and Recommend" to posters who are trying to get the "Word Out" about these aggregious torture programs. Can't we? :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:43 PM
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7. Come On DU'ers...lets Kick this Up ...it's important /Done in OUR NAME!
I don't pay taxes for THIS KIND OF TORTURE or any kind of TORTURE that goes on and on and on and Victims HAVE NO RIGHTS...NOTHING!

One day it could be You and I...has anyone thought of that? Have You?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:47 PM
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8. The blackest evil, the deepest shame. .
done in our name.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:48 PM
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9. There's so much to be ashamed of
But the treatment of detainees, regardless of what they've done, is surely one of the worst. There's no morality in what's being done in our names. Let the RW cheer over this and try to defend it if they want; all it proves is that they've sunk as low as the enemy. And they're literally ensuring we'll be fighting terrorism indefinitely into the future.

A very sorrowful K&R.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 06:08 PM
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10. Gitmo OUTRAGE!!!!
Secret Detentions, Secret Prisons, Secret Tribunals are an insult to EVERYTHING I believe in as an American!

The Forefathers made it clear that Human Beings are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.."--Declaration of Independence

The forefathers MADE IT CLEAR that our rights do NOT come from the government, but solely from the fact that we are Human Beings! The Constitution does NOT grant RIGHTS to citizens!!! The Constitution places RESTRICTIONS on Government that SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED !!
Arguing that Constitutional Rights extend ONLY to US Citizens indicates a PROFOUND misunderstanding about America and the values this country claims to stand for.

It is very simple. You either believe that our country was founded on values that extend beyond mere governments, and that our sacred documents restrict Government, or you Don't believe it.



GITMO DEPRIVES ME OF MY RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!

The right of Due Process and Public Trial was specified not ONLY to protect those detained by our Government, but it also confers on me, an American Citizen, the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to observe the Government in action. It is MY RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to OVERSEE the government. It is absurd to argue that this RESPONSIBILITY is limited by our National Borders. There is NOWHERE in the WORLD where those who serve in MY NAME should be able to hide from the supervision of the American People. The Forefathers GAVE the PEOPLE the responsibility of Supervising the Government! Whenever those who serve IN MY NAME act to hide the actions of MY government, something is BAD wrong!


It is MY RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY as an American Citizen:

*to know the NAMES and ORIGIN of those who are being held captive IN MY NAME!

*to HEAR their OWN story in their OWN words delivered in a PUBLIC Forum

*to study the evidence and testimony of those who have accused them

*to hear and study ANY evidence that the accused can present in his/her defense




I DEMAND that my government HONOR my RIGHTS and RESPONSIBILITIES as an American Citizen.
The secret detention centers and secret tribunals are an INSULT and an ABOMINATION to ALL American Citizens, and a direct violation of the Limits imposed on Government in our Constitution!

K&R
:dem:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 07:53 AM
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11. k&r
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 09:45 AM
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12. me too....
:kick:
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 10:17 AM
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13. Will buy several to spread around and subscribe to support RS reports. nt
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:43 AM
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15. weekend kick. nt
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 01:30 PM
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14. kr/nt
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 01:30 PM by nam78_two
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 02:04 PM
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16. This is not something Bush started
This from the start of the American Holocaust in the 1980's:

    ...And so, you say, you've learned a little
    about starvation; a child like a supper scrap
    filling with worms, many children strung
    together, as if they were from paper
    and all in a delicate chain. And that people
    who rescue physicists, lawyers and poets
    lie in their beds at night with reports
    of mice introduced into women, of men
    whose testicles are crushed like eggs.
    That they cup their own parts
    with their bedsheets and move themselves
    slowly, imagining bracelets affixing
    their wrists to a wall where the naked
    are pinned, where the naked are tied open
    and left to the hands that erase
    what they touch. We are all erased
    by them, and no longer resemble decent
    men. We no longer have the hearts,
    the strength, the lives of women.
    Your problem is not your life as it is
    in America, not that your hands, as you
    tell me, are tied to do something. It is
    that you were born to an island of greed
    and grace where you have this sense
    of yourself as apart from others. It is
    not your right to feel powerless. Better
    people than you were powerless.
    You have not returned to your country,
    but to a life you never left.

    -- Carolyn Forche, The Return, 1980 (I suggest reading it in its entirety, a great piece)
Carolyn wrote this piece in response to her return to the States after spending time (iirc) as an Amnesty International observer in El Salvador in 1979 (note, prior to the Reagan-GHWB escalations).

The Bush Regime uses torture for the same reasons GHWB and Reagan used torture during the American Holocaust in the Central America of the eighties -- i.e., to terrorize a target population for the purpose of breaking its will toward freedom and self-determination. The idea is to create fear, apathy, and silence while the USG furthers its own self-serving agenda.

The USG is not stupid; they know very well about the ineffectiveness of torture as a means to uncover information. The history of the USG and torture, as with all regimes that deploy such means, is one of unleashed terror -- again, it's a means to instill terror into an insurgent population, to create fear and submission, to get one's way. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are not exceptions except we've dropped the pretense of proxy. Now we do it ourselves. And why not? We have a half-century's experience teaching technique to the world's most vile right there in Ft. Benning, Georgia (SOA).

USG foreign policy is in major part about punishing those that show signs of opting out of neo-liberal arrangements that benefit our owning class (this the legacy of Nitze, Kennan, et alia). We don't invade Panama, escort a leader out of Haiti at gunpoint, mine the harbors of Nicaragua, or illegally bomb Baghdad because anyone perceives them, in themselves, to be a genuine threat. It's all about crushing the example of alternate models. The capitalist says Greed is Good in one breath and whispers apathy is better in the next -- it's all the more easy to exploit those who have no hope for a better future! Bush is furthering a long tradition in post-WWII American history.

While I agree that the Bush Regime is something extra special -- again, with Bush we for the most part drop the pretense of proxy, up till now we've generally just funded, equipped, trained, and coached -- but you have to acknowledge that torture has been part of the clandestine arsenal for some time. And it is meant to destroy the community from which the tortured are snatched. For example (from Torture: State Terror vs. Democracy, by Orlando Tizon, 2002),

    Modern torture is designed to destroy the personality of the individual and by extension the community. Ultimately, it is a strategy designed to defeat democratic aspirations at the root, which makes it a tool of choice for unpopular regimes around the world.

    <snip>

    Torture as practiced today is primarily for the purpose of maintaining unpopular governments in power. "We therefore refer to torture as an instrument of power. Our research has shown that the torturers who work for governments try to break down the victims' identity, and this affects the family and the society as well." Thus the main purpose of torture is not to extract a confession but to break the individual's humanity and make an example of the victim before the community and thereby suppress all political opposition. Torture is the ultimate weapon for terrorizing and controlling the individual human being and the community. When members of a community are made powerless and lose trust in themselves and in one another, building a democratic community is rendered extremely difficult and complex. Torture then is an instrument to destroy democratic aspirations and actions, as history has clearly shown.
I completely agree with this assessment. Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman, too, are good sources for the history of how torture is used by the United States and other repressive states. You're aware, of course, about the School of the Americas, about the roles of John Negroponte and Elliot Abrams in the eighties while U.S. trained fiends tortured and disappeared labor leaders, students, peasants interested in better schools and hospitals. The fact that people like Negroponte, who denied that El Mozote ever occured, and Abrams who looked the other way while Batallion 3-16 was on the loose, the fact that they and others were invited back to positions of power in this Regime told me where Bush stood with regards to use of torture before we ever heard of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. None of this surprises me -- and the fact that Negroponte is now National Intelligence Director scares me. If we, the American public, are meant to be hearers of this violent narrative of torture along with its customary audience (today, the latter are those with a thirst for freedom and justice in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.), it can only be the beginnings of intended serious repression here at home. Maybe we can understand a little why the Regime spends a third of a billion dollars just to keep Halliburton prepared to build detention camps on a moments notice.

Torture, in my opinion, is terrorism in microcosm; the Bush Regime engages in the very thing they purport to fight. Whether a primary or secondary tool, it is public narrative, intended to intimidate, and it is despicably immoral. Recall Carolyn Forche's poem (at the start of this post), we in the U.S. have NO RIGHT to feel powerless to stop the evil being done in our name; in fact, action is demanded of us else we are complicit in the crimes perpetrated by the Bush Regime. It's bad enough we sat home after December 12, 2000; bad enough we didn't march into Washington to take We the People's House back in 2004. But the time for epochal change is now, action is required this day by everyone of us whether rallied by a Great Leader (where are the MLK's, JFK's and RFK's of this generation!) or by just our own hearts and conscience. Look at Cindy Sheehan: Housewife, divorcee, mother of a dead GI, and a symbol of the anti-war movement. She acted herself, led herself, to do what she needed to do. Imagine a nation with 10,000 Cindy Sheehans marching in front of the White House everyday! We can move mountains! Yes we CAN!! We need to just move!!
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