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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:16 PM
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Rove: Illegal Wiretapping Might Have Stopped 9/11 Plot
Karl, stupid: Your assholes didn't even catch on to 9/11 using the legal FISA system, which was totally adequate to the task.

(But he knows that, ladies and gentlemen.)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/24/rove.spying.ap/index.html


Rove blasts warrantless wiretapping decision



TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) -- Presidential adviser Karl Rove criticized a federal judge's order for an immediate end to the government's warrantless surveillance program, saying Wednesday such a program might have prevented the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Rove said the government should be free to listen if al Qaeda is calling someone within the U.S.

"Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different outcome," he said.

U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit last week became the first judge to strike down the National Security Agency's program, ruling it unconstitutional. (Full story)

Rove's comments came as he headlined a fundraiser for Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, who is running for governor. About 50 protesters stood outside the country club where the fundraiser was held, some with signs that said "Impeach Bush."
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:19 PM
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1. Intelligence already knew a spectacular attack was coming...
... using 100% legal means. They tried to warn Bush about it but he was too stupid to follow up.

Everyone knows the truth by now, but that doesn't stop that dickweed Rove from lying.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:07 PM
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19. Good. That's what I was going to respond with.
We don't even work inside the govt. and we knew that. Can't these insiders keep up with the info.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:20 PM
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2. Even with 5 years of doing whatever it takes
they still haven't caught Usama.

Get a warrent asshole.

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:20 PM
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3. Self-delete
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 02:20 PM by Kagemusha
Can't offend people with obvious comparisons here...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:20 PM
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4. Hey Rove - you shitheads were doing it BEFORE 9/11
"June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court." Why would the NSA want to wiretap US citizens BEFORE any major acts of "terrorism"?


But of course with the media's help, Rove's new lie will be pounded into the heads of Americans until they believe it, regardless of the facts.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:25 PM
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10. The Big Lies keep being spewed by the Busholini Regime.
NSA spying would not be hampered if they went about their process legally and requested warrents 3 days after they were tapping, monitoring &/or investigating any leads.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:20 PM
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5. KKKarl is starting to
wear a bit thin. "About 50 protesters stood outside the country club where the fundraiser was held, some with signs that said "Impeach Bush." If he was on his game, that would have not happened.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:21 PM
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6. IF that's the case, then we were better off having the 9/11 attacks....
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin (or Richard Jackson-- the author is disputed but the sentiment is not).
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:21 PM
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7. What? were they doing it wrong? Started BEFORE 9/11
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 02:22 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
looking for the link... hold on....

nevermind, sparosnare beat me to it. :)
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:21 PM
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8. It's no surprise that Rove made this declaration.
I'm astonished he waited so long.

Oh, yeah -- he was busy trying to keep his sorry ass out of jail for outing a CIA agent.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:25 PM
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9. NEWS FLASH! They were SPYING ILLEGALLY SINCE FEB 2001!


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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:26 PM
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11. bush and his pirates wanted a terrorist attack
but no doubt the lemmings will jump on the latest bone provided by rove and lick it and chew it and enjoy it as they enjoy their stupidity.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:26 PM
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12. Bull Shit - Bull Shit - Bull Shit
They were told that 9/11 was going to happen and they didn't listen.


LYING BASTARDS
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 02:47 PM
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13. Rove is full of shit
They knew 9/11 was coming and they wanted it to happen. People were starting to ask questions about Bush's Supreme Court election in 2000 around that time (dont believe me? Look at Time and Newsweek at any given point before 9/11/2001), and this was not only the perfect way to shut up the populace, but also to keep them in fear of these fuckwads and to keep them in power for a long time coming. It was their version of Pearl Harbor.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:03 PM
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14. Then why didn't they do it?
Law Schmaw you guys don't care about silly laws and you have said so on many occassions. What would have prevented you from ignoring laws then?

Ohh one last thing-What happened to "We would have moved heaven and earth..." as Condi said? Did simple little laws that you don't care about anyway get in your way?

Please.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:06 PM
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17. Excellent points, underpants.
It's a lot easier to rip the Constitution to shreds than to move heaven and earth. So why *didn't* they do it?

(Many here are saying that in fact they already were doing it, if on the wrong targets.)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:05 PM
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15. Actually, reading the Hart/Rudman act and recommendations
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 03:07 PM by Cleita
probably would have stopped 9/11, not to mention various warnings that they ignored previous to it.

http://propagandamatrix.com/commission_warned_bush.html
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:05 PM
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16. What's a " No Brainier "
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:06 PM
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18. Ignored Hart-Rudman.Could have used FISA and.....
Bush ignored recommendations from both the Clinton administration and Hart-Rudman on terrorism and bin Laden in particular. FISA was available to Bush the day he took office.

So really, it's a case of Bush not giving a damn what the outgoing President had to say and not giving a damn what the Hart-Rudman report said. And no interest in following the law since legal means were also available to him when it took office.






FISA was in place prior to September 11, 2001

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 prescribes procedures for requesting judicial authorization for electronic surveillance and physical search of persons engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States on behalf of a foreign power.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_su...



Bush ignores the Hart–Rudman Terrorism Report and claims Cheney will head up an anti-terror task force. A task-force that never materialized.


http://www.avatara.com/operationignore0.html

Excerpt from:

Al Franken's book: Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

“Meanwhile, on February 15, 2001, a commission led by former senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman issued its third and final report on national security. The Hart-Rudman report warned that "mass-casualty terrorism directed against the U.S. homeland was of serious and growing concern'' and said that America was woefully unprepared for a "catastrophic'' domestic terrorist attack and urged the creation of a new federal agency: "A National Homeland Security Agency with responsibility for planning, coordinating, and integrating various U.S. government activities involved in homeland security” that would include the Customs Service, the Border Patrol, the Coast Guard, and more than a dozen other government departments and agencies.

The Hart-Rudman Commission had studied every aspect of national security over a period of years and had come to a unanimous conclusion: "This commission believes that the security of the American homeland from the threats of the new century should be the primary national security mission of the U.S. government."

The report generated a great deal of media attention and even a bill in Congress to establish a National Homeland Security Agency. But over at the White House, the Justice Department, and the Pentagon, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Attorney General Ashcroft, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld decided that the best course of action was not to implement the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, but instead to launch a sweeping initiative dubbed "Operation Ignore."

The public face of Operation Ignore would be an antiterrorism task force led by Vice President Cheney. Its mandate: to pretend to develop a plan to counter domestic terrorist attacks. Bush announced the task force on May 8, 2001, and said that he himself would "periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts." Bush never chaired such a meeting, though. Probably because Cheney's task force never actually met. Operation Ignore was in full swing.”


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1973708&mesg_id=1974079


Bush Authorized Domestic Spying

*and info concerning spying prior to September 11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

"For more than four years, the NSA tasked other military intelligence agencies to assist its broad-based surveillance effort directed at people inside the country suspected of having terrorist connections, even before Bush signed the 2002 order that authorized the NSA program, according to an informed U.S. official."

Tinker, Tailor, Miner, Spy
http://www.slate.com/id/2133564 /

"A former telecom executive told us that efforts to obtain call details go back to early 2001, predating the 9/11 attacks and the president's now celebrated secret executive order. The source, who asked not to be identified so as not to out his former company, reports that the NSA approached U.S. carriers and asked for their cooperation in a "data-mining" operation, which might eventually cull "millions" of individual calls and e-mails."
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:10 PM
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20. * taking action
after receiving his PDB stating OBL was determined to strike the US would have stopped 9/11 plot too, Karl.

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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:19 PM
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21. "All right. You've covered your ass, now."
That's what Bush said to the briefer who gave him the PDB about bin Laden.

The book's opening anecdote tells of an unnamed CIA briefer who flew to Bush's Texas ranch during the scary summer of 2001, amid a flurry of reports of a pending al-Qaeda attack, to call the president's attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US." Bush reportedly heard the briefer out and replied: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

http://www.boosman.com/blog/2006/06/youve_covered_your_ass_now.html
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:29 PM
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22. 9/11 wasn't going to be stopped since the gov't was behind it. the
hissing fit to continue to wiretap is to spy on political enemies. * does a lot of projecting. There is a clip of him saying he doesn't email because he doesn't want people reading his email. Who is reading his email?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:32 PM
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23. *LEGAL* wiretapping would have also. Where was Bush????
Where was his FBI and CIA???

Were the *all* on vacation the entire month of August?
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