WTF is the matter with this country? For FOUR focking YEARS Tora Bora

[blm]

story has been out there and Kerry has brought it up so many times he sounded like a broken record, yet NO MEDIA WANTS TO DISCUSS IT.

Even in the debates Kerry clobbered Bush with Tora Bora, but NO MEDIA WANTS TO DISCUSS IT.

CIA agents ON THE GROUND at Tora Bora tell the truth - WRITE A BOOK about it, fer chrissakes - and media opts to spend MORE time discussing the tragic tears of Mrs. Alito than the FACT that Bush's failures at Tora Bora appear DELIBERATE in order to allow Bin Laden and much of Al Qaeda to escape. And NO MEDIA WANTS TO DISCUSS IT.


Read Kerry's Kos piece and look at all the links and press articles that back up the story and NO BROADCAST MEDIA wants a full examination of this HUGE story that allowed Bin Laden the freedom he enjoys today?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/20/175232/080

[shraby]

1. Welcome to the USSA of Amerika

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Welcome to the United States of Corporate Amerika.

Under the HYPOCRITE REPUBLICANS

[NNN0LHI]

2. Sorry blm but I don't think bin Laden was in Tora Bora

If he masterminded 9/11 he was certainly smart enough not to be in Afghanistan afterwords. I would check for him in Saudi Arabia.

Don

[JeffR]

3. Or Palm Beach

eom

[blm]

5. CIA agents had his man's radio on the ground there and HEARD Usama

talking. He wasn't much more than a mile away from them. They gave the info to head military there who wouldn't give back up or make any moves against Bin Laden, even KNOWING he was nearby.

[H2O Man]

7. Correct.

He was there.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. And we let him leave

possibly by helicopter.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Thats what they say. I don't believe much the CIA says though n/t

[blm]

13. The agent proved Bush has been lying about Tora Bora and you doubt him?

The agent's story also backs up what Kerry has been saying since Jan 2002 about Tora Bora. Military on the ground there got the info to him so the truth would be told - Rumsfeld was trying to keep it covered up at the time.

Hardly any media would allow discussion of it, and most Dems were even shying away from Kerry's charges.

I can't believe you don't remember that time.

[NNN0LHI]

14. I remember it at the time and was thinking it was a made up story then

As I said it doesn't make sense. Why would bin Laden wait for the calvary to come and get him. He is no fool.

Don

[blm]

16. Why was Rumsfeld covering it up and why did Franks come out to say it

didn't happen?

You're satisfied Rumsfeld and Franks are telling the truth, and Kerry, miltary on the ground there, and CIA agents trying to move against Bin Laden are ALL making the story up?

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. Your right, he is no fool

but since he is a key player and Bushco needs their boggie man, he knows he is safe.

A former CIA guy that I know, told me BushCo will never capture Usama because of the bin Ladin family. Ain't gonna happen, forget about it. That's just the way it is.

[blm]

33. Mere coincidence that Robert Mueller at the FBI doesn't think Bin Ladens

need questioning, either, huh?

Of course, it was Mueller who also just couldn't find a prosecutable crime in BCCI, and as US Attorney assigned to the case by Bush1 DOJ, he served his masters quite well then, too.

[Junkdrawer]

4. Big Clue, huh?

So was Sen. Graham's book that showed the Saudi Government paid the 9/11 hijackers.

My theory is that the Saudis run al Qaeda as an on-tap terror organization with the permission and aid of top NeoCons. Need a Pearl Harbor attack? Call 1-800-ALQAEDA - operators are on call.

[NorCalDem]

8. Methinks you hit the nail on the head

especially because according to the CIA, we know where he is right now, and we're still not going after him. OBL is friends with the Saudi royals, and so is Bush. It's not that far of a stretch to say that the neo-cons and Al-qaeda have connections, I have been saying that for years.

[blm]

17. The Bush and Bin Laden families were making millions off each other for

almost 3 decades now. When Kerry shut down BCCI, Usama lost a few million and Salem Bin Laden was arrested for his dirty deals.

Interesting that the same Salem Bin Laden who made GWBush so much money by buying his Harken shares also ended up dead in a plane crash in Texas, not long after his BCCI arrest.

[CJCRANE]

9. It would be funny

if it wasn't so tragic: Bushco's two biggest allies in the War on Terror - Saudi Arabia & Pakistan - actually funded 9/11 !

(Not to mention that Bush is kissing buddies with the Saudi Royals & the bin Ladens).

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. Saddam is an evil tyrant, didn't fund 911 but that's irrelevant... nt.

[Junkdrawer]

11. PS: Here's a link to Bob Graham's book "Intelligence Matters"...

In this explosive, controversial, and profoundly alarming insider's report, Senator Bob Graham reveals faults in America's national security network severe enough to raise fundamental questions about the competence and honesty of public officials in the CIA, the FBI, and the White House.

For ten years, Senator Graham served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, where he had access to some of the nation's most closely guarded secrets. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, Graham co-chaired a historic joint House-Senate inquiry into the intelligence community's failures. From that investigation and his own personal fact-finding, Graham discovered disturbing evidence of terrorist activity and a web of complicity:

• At one point, a terrorist support network conducted some of its operations through Saudi Arabia's U.S. embassy—and a funding chain for terrorism led to the Saudi royal family.
• In February 2002, only four months after combat began in Afghanistan, the Bush administration ordered General Tommy Franks to move vital military resources out of Afghanistan for an operation against Iraq—despite Franks's privately stated belief that there was a job to finish in Afghanistan, and that the war on terrorism should focus next on terrorist targets in Somalia and Yemen.
• Throughout 2002, President Bush directed the FBI to limit its investigations of Saudi Arabia, which supported some and possibly all of the September 11 hijackers.
• The White House was so uncooperative with the bipartisan inquiry that its behavior bore all the hallmarks of a cover-up.
• The FBI had an informant who was extremely close to two of the September 11 hijackers, and actually housed one of them, yet the existence of this informant and the scope of his contacts with the hijackers were covered up.
• There were twelve instances when the September 11 plot could have been discovered and potentially foiled.
• Days after 9/11, U.S. authorities allowed some Saudis to fly, despite a complete civil aviation ban, after which the government expedited the departure of more than one hundred Saudis from the United States.
• Foreign leaders throughout the Middle East warned President Bush of exactly what would happen in a postwar Iraq, and those warnings went either ignored or unheeded.

As a result of his Senate work, Graham has become convinced that the attacks of September 11 could have been avoided, and that the Bush administration's war on terrorism has failed to address the immediate danger posed by al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia. His book is a disturbing reminder that at the highest levels of national security, now more than ever, intelligence matters.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400063523/sr=1-1/qid=1137805041/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1137079-9801513?%5Fencoding=UTF8

[blm]

18. Graham's book got little attention, too. They KILL stories by ignoring

them. They spent months discussing the import of a blue dress, yet refuse to note the actual evidence that exists in the death of 3000 people....and democracy.

[Junkdrawer]

19. Remember when Sen Graham told Tweety that the Saudis...

secretly funded the 9-11 hijackers and Tweety gave him the bum's rush?

Tweety did his usual "Let's cut to the chase, are you saying the Saudi Govt funded 9/11" expecting the usual equivocal answer. But Graham stopped, looked him in the eye, and simply said "Yes!".

It was priceless. Tweety looked like someone had kicked him in the nuts. He then picks up the book, reads the title, thanks Graham, and cuts to commercial.

[H2O Man]

20. It seems quite clear

that Saudis funded 9-11. And our federal government and corporate media does not want the general public to realize to what extent this is true.

[blm]

21. Kingdom Holdings didn't buy up all that media stock for nothing.

House of Saud and House of Bush - partners for the global fascist agenda.

[Junkdrawer]

22. What if, prior to say 1995, al Qaeda was a top-secret joint US-Saudi op...

to recruit terrorists into an organization that WE controlled. And then the op turned...at least from the official US point of view.

Would people in the know be allowed to talk about that, or would it still be top secret? :shrug:

[H2O Man]

23. I think that the group

that we know as al Qaeda has a fairly well documented beginning as part of a larger force that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. If we look at what records there are, the organization became distinct from the anti-Soviet force around the time the Soviets began packing their bags.

Clearly the USA played a big role in convincing Muslim countries to invest in the Afghan effort. More, it was the single largest and most successful CIA effort. Of course, there were US forces other than CI there, too. There is a large amount of information available that documents much of our participation. Some of the accounts authored afterward confuse the nature of some of the relationships there, however.

If anyone wants to look at how Usama bin Ladin became the figure he was, both in Afghanistan and in the years since, they would -- in my opinion -- do well to look at the CIA to find out what the relationship was and wasn't, and more importantly, at Saudi's Prince Turki, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Wahhabist branch of Islam. I think these groups, which have had associations with the US intelligence, but were never "controlled" by anyone else, are what we have to deal with.

[Junkdrawer]

25. The time period that interests me most is just before Gulf War I...

from what I read, Usama went back to Saudi Arabia after the Afghan war and went into the family business. Then, when the US stationed troops just prior to the Gulf War I, he leaves, ostensibly furious over the stationing of a US base in Saudi Arabia, and forms what we now know as al Qaeda.

But there's where I'm suspicious. What if the goal was to get potential terrorists OUT of Saudi Arabia? What a better Pied Piper than Usama?

[H2O Man]

26. I think it is

agreed that after the Afghanistan war, he returned to Saudi Arabia. Prince Turki asked him to organize a "fundamentalist religion-based resistance" to the government in South Yemen, according to Richard Clarke (page 59). The organization became a network with links to Afghan "veterans in Algeria, Chechnya, Bosnia, Egypt, and the Philipines."(60) Clarke notes that when Saddam invaded Kuwait, Usama offered to remove him. The Saudis would back the US plan, which allowed nonbelievers into the Holy Land. This marked the clear split between bin Laden and the royal family, and focused his attention on the USA.

[Junkdrawer]

29. PBS Frontline did a time line...

...

1989 After the Soviets pull out of Afghanistan, bin Laden returns to Saudi Arabia a hero. He becomes involved in opposition movements to the Saudi monarchy while working for his family construction firm, the Bin Laden Group.

August 2, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait.

April, 1991 Bin Laden flees Saudi Arabia, after being confined to Jiddah for his opposition to the Saudi alliance with the United States. He moves first to Afghanistan and then to Khartoum, Sudan by 1992 (Source: Newsweek 2/1/99). Sudan had begun to allow any Muslim into the country without a visa, in a display of Islamic solidarity. Allegedly, hundreds of suspected terrorists and ex-mujahedeen come to Sudan as a safe haven (Source: New York Times 9/21/98).

1991 US troops fight Persian Gulf War. After victory, the US establishes a large permanent military presence in the region, including Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the land of "the two most holy places" in Islam--Mecca and Medina.

1992 According to the current indictment against bin Laden, from 1992 on, bin Laden and other Al Qaeda members stated privately within the organization that a) Al Qaeda should put aside its differences with Shiite Muslim terrorist organizations, including Iran and its affiliated terrorist group Hezbollah, to cooperate against the perceived common enemy, the United States and its allies; b) the US forces stationed on the Saudi peninsula, including both Saudi Arabia and Yemen, should be attacked; and c) the US forces stationed in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, should be attacked

...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/etc/cron.html


Now, whether Usama is a double agent (e.g. a pretend terrorist) or not, the fact remains that how the Saudis viewed Usama and how the Clinton admin viewed Usama was VERY different. And I think that it's been shown that Usama took money from wealthy Saudis to STAY AWAY. So there was some level of communication between Usama and powerful Saudis.

[H2O Man]

30. I think he is

exactly who he says he is. And certainly some interests in saudi Arabia have helped to fund his activities, from the Afghanistan war through today. Without exception, the countries that have governments with ties to the USA also have the largest groups of anti-American citizens. I think it is fair to say they view Uncle Sam as about as immoral as Don King.

[Rex]

15. Some people place money over the truth in business ethics.

I hope EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MEDIAWHORE that had any hand in helping the BFEE profit from our country gets his/her day in a court of law. And I hope they pay in years in jail.

[thebigidea]

24. he should have run an ad talking about it instead of those bland ones

he should've used Bush's words against him - dead or alive, i'm not that concerned any more, and the subsequent denial.

He could've made a devastating attack that went to the heart of Bush's supposed strength, his tough on terror crap.

There should have been a blizzard of negative ads instead of those badly produced, vague "positive" ads.

And if he wanted to claim he was taking the high road, well - what are front groups for? There's no way the Republicans would've given a Dem prez a pass on this.

Why did we?

[deutsey]

31. Ignorance, thy name is America

[neweurope]

32. You should take the roundabout way via the European media.

But Americans are so steeped in "nothing counts but the USA" that they can't even think of this ruse...

If leading Dems would give interviews to European media (like others have, for instance Gore Vidal- had quite a press here) even the US media couldn't ignore it. And we in Europe would be helped immensely and, therefore, could help you.

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