Ex-Gays: According to right-wing spin machine CITIZEN

[and-justice-for-all]

As though you have not already discussed this issue enough, Ex-Gays are according to CITIZEN magazine have turned on their own volition without the arm twisting and manipulation of anyone.
But, when someone does attend LWO (Love Won Out; a Focus On the Family group) which is for turning Homosexuals into sheeples, it also does take advantage of people when they are in weak moments of their life.

Now, I am not going that people dont have the right to change any course in their life, but they should not be lied to in order for any organization to gain more heads to contribute to their agenda. What I see misleading with LWO is that it tells a person that the way they are is not acceptable and wrong; or being who you are is an abomination to their invisable friend. I am an Atheist and even though I dont believe in religion and find it to be destructive I am not going to tell someone they should not practice spirituality. I will inject some points as to why its bad but then I will leave the decision up to that person; without the arm twisting to get them to do what I want or think the way I do. People can be religous, its when that religion turns into an extremist practice of misguided radicalism.

What the "Ex-Gay" issue shows me is that people are open to supression, sexual supression and are willingly walking into it. No matter, those who claim to be "Ex-Gays" will always be Gay it does not matter how hard they try to supress it, its always close to the surface and will in time come to light again. Denying who you are is very self-destructive and those who insist on their supression by misleading people with bible rhetoric and jeebus propaganda should not be taken no be taken seriously. This supression and convencing people not to accept themselves for who they are is part of the radical christian agenda, it all comes down to CONTROL. Control is the primary function of ANY religion.

Exodus International is part of the conversion of homosexuals and a group to keep your friends away from. GLSEN (Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network) is on the opposite end of the spectrum; headed by Kevin Jennings, GLSEN takes on the the Exodus International organizations by addressing their tactics of supression. Both, the GLSEN and Exodus International have no place going to schools to discuss their agandas.

People are more then welcome to change direction in their lives, but they should not feel they need to not be themselves when make those changes. If your Gay, as I am, great...If your straight, thats fine too.

[NVMojo]

1. I knew an "ex-gay" man once, he got indoctrinated by these people

and married an "ex-gay" lesbian who was indoctrinated by the same Baptist church group who had an alleged "treatment center for gays" and he tried to commit suicide a few years later.

I hate these fundie feckers.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

2. A question...

Is the opinion on GLSEN yours or from an unlinked article in Citizen magazine? If it's your opinion, then please explain why you don't believe GLSEN should be in public schools.

Also, a link to the article would be much appreciated.

[foreigncorrespondent]

3. I am betting...

...by the typo in that one sentence makes it the OP's own words.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

6. Unfortunately, you are correct.

GLSEN is apparently a recruiting organization like the military to the OP.

[foreigncorrespondent]

9. Yep!

Some mothers do have 'em, huh?

[and-justice-for-all]

4. I dont have a link...

It is in this months (August) issue of the mag. I photo copied the article and decided to post it for discussion. If I had a link I would have provided it for you.

I dont think EITHER organization should beable to got schools and solicite those in 12 grade and younger. I dont think the military should be allowed to do their recrutment on those in 12 grade or younger...Now, if GLSEN or Love Won Out wants to hold Work Shops elsewhere, thats fine and resonable to me.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

5. GLSEN is not a recruiting organization for homosexuals.

They are simply a gay rights organization that believes schools should be a safe zone for GLBT students or students percieved to be GLBT. What is wrong with that or with schools having a gay/straight alliance? Having a gay speaker in a school that simply shows that gay people are normal and there's nothing wrong with it can only change attitudes about homosexuality (and differences among people, in general) in a positive light, something that should be encouraged in schools. I find it hard to believe that a liberal can object to that.

No one can be recruited into homosexuality, but scared, ostracised gay students can be recruited into the harmful ex-gay movement. Those are two VERY seperate things. Almost as different as comparing either of those organizations to the military.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

7. Oh and here's the Mission Statements from both groups...

GLSEN: "The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression." (A very respectable and worthwhile goal)

Love Won Out: "Focus on the Family is promoting the truth that homosexuality is preventable and treatable — a message routinely silenced today." (A harmful lie)

[foreigncorrespondent]

10. Well...

...it is quite obvious you have no understanding of the work either organization does.

And for the record I support the work GLSEN does, and well anything Focus on the Family does doesn't deserve any support at all. But then people who support a liar for president will also support any group/company that is based on lies.

[dsc]

8. I think equating ex gays and GLSEN is very misleading

at best. GLSEN doesn't recruit. In point of fact it wishes some of its members to be straights who are accepting of gays. Ex gays want to change people from gay to straight. That is a fairly large difference. Gays deserve to be treated with dignity. They deserve the same rights that you take for granted. That is all GLSEN wishes to bring about.

[ComerPerro]

11. I got news for "ex-Gays"... ... You're still gay